Abortion/The Death Penalty

[Cursed]

I do agree with my mother on the most part. I was just considering the phrase "Two wrongs don't make a right". They have killed someone, and they should really get equal.

[StuntGames]

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[Straznicy]

I support abortion only if the mother's physical health is threatened, or if the child has severe medical disorders. If you want an abortion because you don't want a baby, then tough luck asshole, you should've thought about that beforehand. If we're going to kill babies to keep their would-be parents happy, then let's go out and shoot some immigrants to keep fascists happy.

 

And on the matter of the death penalty, I don't think it should be the state's responsibility to execute it's citizens. Governments are here to mediate and serve, not pump poison through the veins of the condemned. Secure people and try to help them, don't just kill them and waste more lives. And if a person poses a threat to society that is beyond reform, then just keep them locked up.

[Digïtál £vîl]

 

I don't agree with abortions at all, but I'm pro choice (it's pro choice Digital - I don't think anybody in their right mind would be "Pro Abortion". Haha).

lol. I was high as f*ck when writing and and reading it back to myself now, my use of the term really made no sense.

 

I also said "pro anti-abortion" which equates to "pro-life" or "against abortion". lol. But of course, I didn't get that across rather well as I used both "pro" and "anti" to explain a single position. Like a conflicting positive/negative stance or something. Going to go back now to fix it to make more sense.

 

I am pro-choice myself. Most people I have these debates with are pro-life and they usually tie in some sort of religious or moral context into it.

 

There are just so many debatable details in the argument (such as only going by proven scientific standards for what constitutes life vs. allowing personal beliefs to influence when you feel "life" begins, etc). And while one side (usually the pro-choice) argues with a lot of simple medical, scientific, and social facts and such, the pro-life side tends to mix in a lot of personal moral and religious influence into the argument instead of looking at it from an objective standpoint of applicable legality and medical sense.

 

And when it comes to things like religion or morals, it is very very difficult to change a person's mind.

 

Thank god I'm not daft enough to be involved in things like organized religion. pft.

 

 

We should also address the issue of a person's right to die. If a person is very sick and in a lot of pain and wishes to die. Should they be allowed to? Or is it wrong? Should someone of medical knowledge be allowed to help them? Or would that be considered "murder"? Very similar to the entire idea of pro-choice/pro-life as many people against abortion tend to connect the moral importance of sustaining another's "life" over anything else (I've had people tell me they think a mother should choose to die if having the child meant she would not survive, instead of aborting it).

 

My thoughts on the matter is that life is life. It is what a person makes of it and if they wish to end it, then it is their choice. While I don't think people should just go out and commit suicide if they are depressed or something (instead they should try to get help), I am not going to be one to tell a person who is slowly and painfully dying of cancer or something that they cannot die because "it is not morally right". If there is a good reason as to why they feel they are ready to die. It is their right to make that choice as long as it doesn't physically hurt others (ie: The current trend of Japanese chemical suicides shouldn't be allowed as many others are being hurt).

Edited June 3, 2008 by Digïtál £vîl

[Mafia Drive Gunner]

Digi, I agree with you on the 'right to die' issue. If someone is in unbearable pain with a terminal illness or cancer or something, they should have to right to have the plug pulled if there is absolutely no chance of recovery. Keeping someone alive just for family reasons or political reasons is ridiculous, I mean, give the family some time with the person before they do die, but don't let them hold on forever, because it's unfair to the sick person. Like, why put someone on life support if there is no chance of recovery, just let nature take its course.

 

On abortion, when do we constitute the start of life, when the sperm enters the woman? When it gets into the egg, a mere 24 hours later? This is where the stem of the debate really lies, with where life is meant to start. I believe that it should be a woman's right to not have a baby she doesn't want.

 

What they should do is allow abortion, but think of it the same way as other health issues. If you go to the doctor to quit smoking, he gives you some pamphlets on techniques and things like that. If a woman goes to the doctor and says, "I want to have an abortion", the doctor should be able to weed out why they want to have one, and perhaps give them pamphlets on adoption agencies if they don't want to keep the child. Where reasons are legitimate enough, e.g. a pregnant woman with severe mental illness or where the mother is unfit to carry a baby in the womb, abortion should be allowed, and also in the case of rape.

 

The death penalty issue is one I feel very strongly about. I see the death penalty as a bit of a way out for the accused. Consider this: If you murder somebody, and get sentenced to a life imprisonment, and I mean life, not 20 years or whatever, I mean, they die on site at the prison, you are subject to things such as rape, assault, and torture from other inmates, especially if they know you killed somebody. Not to mention the fact that you have to live in guilt of what you did, in a place where you have to live with regret everyday.

 

But, in the death penalty, you kill somebody, and then you are calmly put to sleep. How is that justice? I mean, 'an eye for an eye' might work in less extreme circumstances, but killing someone because they killed is absurd, when they could be punished far worse by not being killed. For many of the accused, if they knew what it was like in prison, and they got a choice of a life stuck between four cement walls, or to end it right then and there, there'd be many death 'penalties' occuring.

[vininfinite]

Abortions: If you don't want the kid the kids going to grow up wishing he was never born.

 

Death Penalty: Why should we pay to keep 'killers' alive?

[Otter]

Abortion/Death Penalty? Why not throw rape, paedophilia, incest, polygamy, nazis and religion in there, too, just to make sure we've got our bases covered?

 

An interesting correlation I always like to bring up in these discussions is the theory written about in Freakonomics - namely, that abortion has a direct relationship to future crime rates.

 

While a little scary, Orwellian, and perhaps verging on eugenic, the results of the study are certainly intriguing.

[Sebulbus]

 

I don't agree with abortion because I still see it as taking a life. The death penalty on the hand, I totally agree with. It should be an eye for an eye, if you're willing to destroy someone's life then you don't deserve to live and should die in the least humane way. Human rights shouldn't exist for people like that

Now I don't understand how "killing" a fetus (which isn't alive yet) is wrong, but killing a living breathing thinking person is ok.

 

However, I do believe in pro choice, and the death penalty. I see it as if a mother is going to have a baby but be miserable about it, maybe suffer from post-birth depression, or have a horrible life for the baby, that potential child doesn't deserve that. May as well end the suffering before it starts you know?

 

And for the death penalty, exactly as someone else put. Those who are beyond redemption should be killed. But if one can learn from their mistakes, prison.

 

Also, going on what mafia said, being sentenced the death penalty doesn't mean you die tomorrow. One has to suffer with the guilt for YEARS before they actually die. And the idea of knowing that you are going to die? Must be horrible.

Edited June 3, 2008 by Sebulbus

[PIZZAHUTMAN24]

abortion- yes its there body

death penalty - if they killed a innocent yes but what if a criminal killed another criminal? does that still counts?.

[doesntcheatGTA]

Oh and there's already an abortion thread in Debates & Discussion.

 

http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=307757

 

 

Search first, post later.

[Mafia Drive Gunner]

Also, going on what mafia said, being sentenced the death penalty doesn't mean you die tomorrow. One has to suffer with the guilt for YEARS before they actually die. And the idea of knowing that you are going to die? Must be horrible.

Yes but by sentencing them to a life imprisonment means they are still going to die, and they have to live with the guilt of killing someone. You do realise that not a day would go by when anyone in the slammer wouldn't regret what they did? That's what makes prison such a soul-sucking process. You have to wake up everyday and realise you're stuck between these 4 walls, with a sh*tty little toilet and a bed so uncomfortable you never get any sleep, surrounded by rapists, paedophiles, murderers and psychopaths. Now that is horrible.

 

And for anyone who is given the death penalty, after spending 'years' as you say suffering the guilt, wouldn't they want a way out by the time the death penalty actually came around? With a life imprisonment, there is no guaranteed way out, whereas with the death sentence you know you'll be out of that sh*thole eventually. If someone gets a life sentence and hates prison, they might eventually kill themselves. So why do it for them?