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Lt. Dan

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Lt. Dan

When I was a kid, I was obsessed with space. I knew all the planets and stuff, I was intrigued by end-world scenarios, I always watched In Search Of... (not the one with Leonard Nimoy, the new one) and I read all of Exit Mundi.com.

 

But, I have now come to the conclusion that space exploration is pointless. Every million dollars that they spend on going to some abandoned ball of rock millions of miles away is a million dollars not spent on feeding the homeless or a million dollars not spent on trying to cure a disease. What will going to Mars really give us? A bunch of nifty pictures of red rocks?

 

In my opinion, humanity needs to fix the problems on its own planet before it starts more problems on a new one.

 

But, that's just me. I'm not simple-minded, I just don't think that exploration of other planets isn't the best investment in the world. What do you think?

 

 

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Seachmall

I've we didn't strive to learn new things we'd still be living in caves. Its human nature to explore and learn and something like this was considered the ultimate exploration since man first looked up at the stars and wonderd </cliche>.

 

Landing on mars will tell us more about the universe, our planet and possibly humanity as a whole. Who knows maybe in 200 years there will be a human civilisation on mars because of this landing.

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Vercetti21

For once, I agree with Seachmall.

 

Although it is true more money needs to be invested in finding the cure for cancer, etc., we can't just give up space exploration as a whole simply because it is expensive. By expanding our knowledge of the universe, we can gain further knowledge which could ultimately benefit humanity. Who knows, new elements out there could be discovered that do cure cancer. We could answer one of man's greatest questions: is there life out there? What if we could indeed find concrete evidence that life on a certain planet, at one time, existed? That would open up so many possibilities. For example, by discovering the downfall of that planet, we humans on earth could prevent the same thing from happening. The possibilities are endless, and I think we'd be fools to give up such a precious resource for knowledge.

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In my opinion, humanity needs to fix the problems on its own planet before it starts more problems on a new one.

 

That's the crux of your position, and I have to say it's a fairly weak argument. For one thing, the resources we can gather from other worlds may prove to be incredibly beneficial to all of us. Helium, for instance, is one of many natural resources that we've seen slowly slipping away.

 

And as the others have mentioned, we'll also develop so many technical marvels along the way that will end up improving all of our lives again, on some level.

 

We are a virus, a bacterial infection. It is our mission in life to spread. To deny this is futile.

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Seachmall

 

We are a virus, a bacterial infection. It is our mission in life to spread.  To deny this is futile.

 

 

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Ph3L1z14n0
We are a virus, a bacterial infection. It is our mission in life to spread. To deny this is futile.

Very fatalist wow.gif , i just think culture has transformed us into zombies, free will and manipulation has a lot to do.

 

I believe there is no problem in investing even more money into space exploration, why? because money has been wasted more in other forms than in space exploration.

 

Hollywood for example produces around 180 movies a year, most of them cost around 30 million dollars, so there is 510 million dollars being thrown in the toilet, because 170 of those movies are utter sh*t.

 

Another example is war, if i'm not mistaken, around 2 billion dollars was the cost of the Iraq War, and that was only a couple of years ago.

 

So if you ask me, invest MORE money into space exploration, the closer we are to Mass Effect, the better biggrin.gif

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Lt. Dan

Meh, you guys are right. Hopefully (that's a very, very optimistic "hopefully") we'll be like Star Trek and abandon the "illogical" need for currency.

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Ph3L1z14n0
Meh, you guys are right. Hopefully (that's a very, very optimistic "hopefully") we'll be like Star Trek and abandon the "illogical" need for currency.

I don't think we'll live a million years in the future when people actually start to consider that maybe money isn't everything

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Mike Tequeli
Another example is war, if i'm not mistaken, around 2 billion dollars was the cost of the Iraq War, and that was only a couple of years ago.

lol.gif . Sorry for that awful smilie but the Iraq war has cost the United States government 845 billion dollars plus an estimated 3 trillion to the overall economy. [1]

 

 

Space exploration is actually relatively cheap compared to most government programs (which is why Deception Point was kind of stupid) running at $16.6 billion a year. You could fund NASA for 50 years on the Iraq war price.

 

You have to think in the long run space exploration is the most important thing we have. Eventually we will have to leave this planet or at the very least gain resources from space so we better start now.

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Another example is war, if i'm not mistaken, around 2 billion dollars was the cost of the Iraq War, and that was only a couple of years ago.

lol.gif . Sorry for that awful smilie but the Iraq war has cost the United States government 845 billion dollars plus an estimated 3 trillion to the overall economy. [1]

 

 

Space exploration is actually relatively cheap compared to most government programs (which is why Deception Point was kind of stupid) running at $16.6 billion a year. You could fund NASA for 50 years on the Iraq war price.

 

You have to think in the long run space exploration is the most important thing we have. Eventually we will have to leave this planet or at the very least gain resources from space so we better start now.

mercie_blink.gif my bad, this is the part where a big, juicy "WTF" appears over my head.

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Rown

If I had the option between escaping to a different planet and altering it to make it habitable I would. At least that way when humanity caves in there is a chance someone might get out alive.

 

Where as with our current situation if someone pulls the nuclear trigger we all bite the bullet. *insert clever weapons related play on words*

 

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Saggy

I don't think space exploration doesn't come with its own set of merits, but I do think we could be investing our money more wisely in exploration of our own planet. A lot of people like to believe that every corner of the globe as already been explored, but that's simply not true, given the extreme remoteness of many locations on Earth and the difficulty of the terrain. I mean, we know more about distant planets and space than we do about the depths of our own oceans, and we've spent what I would estimate to be thousands of times the amount of money it would take to get to the bottom of the ocean, just to get to the moon to collect a few rocks. On the one hand, going to the bottom of the ocean might not present us with anything but knowledge just as the moon, but at least it would be cheaper knowledge, and given the fact that is of our own Earth, probably a little more relevant too. I think that as long as space exploration is serving us with knowledge we could possibly apply to our own planet it is fine, but if NASA is just sitting around being curious thinking, "Hey, I wonder what's on Mars," wouldn't it be a lot better to answer the question, "Hey, what's at the bottom of the ocean?"

 

 

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Leftcoast

 

In my opinion, humanity needs to fix the problems on its own planet before it starts more problems on a new one.

 

Is it not possible that the solution to our problems lie beyond the Earth??? (Rhetorical question; no insult here, just want to make sure the non-native English speakers on the forum understand the phrasing)

 

 

In my opinion, humanity needs to fix the problems on its own planet before it starts more problems on a new one.

 

Very, very true. The sticker price for the Iraq war could have sent man to mars.... IN STYLE! I don't think it takes a brain surgeon to figure this one out. As an engineer in the aerospace industry I would feel VERY comfortable going to Mars with the Iraq war budget.

 

Either way, with (hopefully soon) a paradigm shift in propulsion technology, we may look at space the same way as the 49's looked at California for gold.

 

 

 

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autotheftisgrand

Curiosity is a given nature of humanity in general. Mainly we should do this in a way that we expand our knowledge in the universe and the knowledge of our building blocks. (Atoms.)

As seeing how Chemistry and Physics are a few of the backbones in Space Exploration.

I'm only 16 and my mind says yes on this field of science. Seeing as the questions that we have are still unanswered from every aspect of science. Looking at the near future, hopefully I will still be alive by the time humanity reaches beyond our Solar System. colgate.gif

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Before few days a space drill sent from the Earth landed on Mars and it's collectiong information an pieces of rock for examing.

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Eddie280

I saw a documentary last night called 'The Shadow of the Moon' This firmly convinced me of the merits of space exploration. The thing about this debate is that there are two different ways of looking at the pros and cons of space exploration.

 

Looking at the subject from a purely logical stand-point perhaps Space Exploration should take a backseat until we as a race can learn to live in harmony and peace on our own planet. The money spent on NASA and other such Space programs maybe be better spent elsewhere if we implement logic in the making of fiscal decisions.

 

However, there is an entirely different way of looking at Space exploration and this is from a much more romantic and idealistic position. The infinity of space and its seemingly endless possibilities inspires the mankind today the same way humans were inspired when they looked out over the atlantic. The ever present question of 'What is out there?' is a fundamental reason for our exploration of space and this curiosity can lead to great things.

 

A culture like ours which is, for now, stuck on a single planet could very well lead to human self destruction unless we have definative proof that we are not alone in the vastness of the universe. Take, for instance, the peoples of Easter Island. Anthropologists and Archeaologists have visited and studied the culture of the now extinct native islanders discovered something which may foreshadow events which could take place on Earth in centuaries to come. The technology which got these people to Easter Island was lost over the ages and a group of people were left stranded on a many hundreds of miles from the mainland. Anthropologists ahve discovered that over the next few hundred years a society developed which was obsessed with its own isolation. The people beleived that they were the only humans, on the entire planet with thier knowledge of the world restricted to one Island and the surrounding few miles of sea. This lead to their eventual extinction through inbreeding and diseases, a society which imploded due to its seeming uniqueness.

 

The event of Easter Island could be seen as a microcosom of Humanity as a whole. Without confirmation of our place in the universe is it not possible that Humanity will become, as the Islanders, paranoid and alone, adrift in the universe.

 

So, for my part, I see space exploration from a largely emotional stand-point, I beleive that is essential for human nature to wonder at the unknown and strive to understand things beyond our natural borders. Therefore I beleive that space exploration is necassary for human development, advancement and perhaps, ultimately our survival. smile.gif

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Rob.
Every million dollars that they spend on going to some abandoned ball of rock millions of miles away is a million dollars not spent on feeding the homeless or a million dollars not spent on trying to cure a disease.

The problem is that in the past a situation where a country in need has been given money, and the result is that the mjaority of the money goes to people who already have something, making the financial divide in said country even larger.

 

The blame itself can't also be passed onto the country spending the money on space exploration either, as you could place the argument in the context of any other situation, such as instead of millions of people spending money on material goods, why not give more to charity.

 

In regard to space exploration though, I think it's human nature to want to explore and find new discoveries.

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voyager

if we survive as a species long enough we will eventually have to get off this planet either for reasons of overpopulation or dwindling resources, resources being more likely. the planet can't sustain us indefinately.

 

current space exploration is severely limited by finance. if we put the same effort today into the space race as we did in the 60's we would have a permanent moon base, men walking on mars and a major missions on their way to saturn & the jovian system in a decade. there are two big reasons why we aren't able to do that now, and one of them is changing.

 

first, to make that kind of financial commitment, we can't be spending twice as much as we have in the coffers every year on wars. we have to get along with each other globally to a higher degree before we ( that's a mankind 'we' not an USA 'we') can reach for the stars. throwing money at problems has more often than not meant throwing expensive bombs at them, and that, rude boy, has got to stop. now in the 60's, yeah, space exploration was driven by USA and USSR trying to one-up each other.. but if they had acted cooperatively we could have seen a mars mission in the 70's. both sides of the race had pros and cons going for them but there was no sharing of ideas and technology. Russia's space program is complete trash now and USA's is a big underfunded joke. both were founded with too many militaristic ideals and bureaucratic strings attached to reach their potentials. no, we have to work together as a planet to pull this kind of stuff off and i agree that some effort has to go into that before we can talk seriously about space. but there is hope there and progress -- the ISS contrary to american popular belief is the "international" space station and is crewed by and made up of components from the ESA, JSA, soviets, USA and other countries. we can work together and we need to do more of it.

 

second, space exploration need to be financially viable. there needs to be some return for investment so that the private sector, so good at innovation and unfettered by government / military secrecy and restriction, need to get in on the act. this is changing quickly and i'm really excited to be alive now.. we had the X prize not so long ago and several private companies are already sending passenger vehicles into near-earth-orbit for short jaunts. at least one company is already making plans to build an orbiting space hotel.. but what's going to pay best in the long run and really get private industries into the game isn't space tourism, but resource exploitation. not just super-fine optics from crystals that must be grown in zero or very low gravity and stuff like that, but mining asteroids for precious metals. as soon as propulsion systems improve to a certain point, or we build an orbital launch platform and construct space vessels off-planet, or we establish a moon base to launch missions from, we're going to be hauling mega-tons of precious metals and organics back from the asteroid belt and the moons of the gas planets.

 

dang this is long already.. i could go on all freaking day lol

 

 

short version:

space is the place. we're going to run out of room and resources on earth if we don't commit global suicide first. we gotta all get along and go mine asteroids & colonize the moon. looking for aliens or scenic otherwordly vistas isn't enough reason to put the kind of resources into space exploration we need to get the job done right, but there are other motivations.

 

 

moral: people with astrophysics degrees that read a lot of hard sci-fi usually make their posts way to long for average reader to stomach. sorry =(

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Seachmall
if we survive as a species long enough we will eventually have to get off this planet either for reasons of overpopulation or dwindling resources, resources being more likely. the planet can't sustain us indefinately.

What do you mean by resources? Oil, coal etc.? If there are no living organsims there is no oil or coal. Crops? If there are no living organisms there are no crops or means of growing crops.

 

Leaving the planet for lack of resources is jumping from the frying pan into the fire, I think we can safely assume there is not enough (if any) living organisms on other planets in our solar system to support us so we would need to venture out of or solar system. How do we keep those people alive for the years it takes to get to these planets if we can't afford to waste resources because they're needed on our own planet. If we begin to run out of resources there is no leaving the planet. We are dead.

 

If you are talking about oil, coal and the like they will not be needed in the future because they will not exist. We will be using renewable resources which can't run out (oddly enough tounge2.gif).

 

Over-population is already occuring and is becoming a huge problem. Its keeping 3rd world countries under that title and may even drag 1st world countries down. For me it seems like a more likely scenario, but of course I'm no expert.

 

Change is only a result of necessity or competition and thats pretty pathetic, what ever happend to change for the sake of learning?

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Ph3L1z14n0

Better to be spending little amounts of money right now than expending an absurdly abnormal budget when earth is overpopulated.

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voyager

i mean energy resources and precious metals. oil, coal and natural gas are all going to run out at some point. electricity is probably going to keep running our gizmos one way or another, and we'll need to power them. wind and water potential can only go so far. when nuclear energy becomes safer, we can rely more heavily on it, as we are now, but there's only a limited amount of radioactive material suitable for power production on the earth. there's a limited amount of the metals that we need to make superconductors, batteries, solar power arrays and other fancy stuff on the earth too - and solar arrays, by the way, should be out in orbit to maximize efficiency. if we keep growing in number and in the rate at which we use up resources, we'll be scraping the bottom of the barrel for all these things.

 

we pick the right asteroid and we've got a great chunk of metals and organic compounds that are very scarce on this planet. mining what we have out of the crust of the earth is getting more expensive and less productive every year. if it wasn't so darn expensive to get a rocket out of the earth's gravity well it would already be commercially viable to build a tug and send it off an a couple-year long voyage to the asteroid belt to haul in a few hundred thousand tons of manganese and iron. it's just the launch costs and limits of available technology that holds us back. if we could just learn to make better propulsion systems, the solar system is full of stuff to be mined and extracted.

 

 

Change is only a result of necessity or competition and thats pretty pathetic, what ever happened to change for the sake of learning?

 

it is sad. capitalism happened. it's going to take war with space aliens, money to be made or absolute necessity to get this sort of thing funded properly. NASA isn't full of morons with no ambition, it just had all it's $$$ taken away from it, so it can only do what it can afford to do.

 

China, on the other hand, had a military moon base in the works up until about 2 weeks ago ( they said they were running out of money and scrapped plans for a manned landing ). they've sent 2-3 probes around the moon in the last 2 years. war drives technological innovation like nothing else -- if China figures out a way to go forward maybe we'll finally get somewhere, sort of.

 

 

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latoc

 

When I was a kid, I was obsessed with space. I knew all the planets and stuff, I was intrigued by end-world scenarios, I always watched In Search Of... (not the one with Leonard Nimoy, the new one) and I read all of Exit Mundi.com.

 

But, I have now come to the conclusion that space exploration is pointless. Every million dollars that they spend on going to some abandoned ball of rock millions of miles away is a million dollars not spent on feeding the homeless or a million dollars not spent on trying to cure a disease. What will going to Mars really give us? A bunch of nifty pictures of red rocks?

 

In my opinion, humanity needs to fix the problems on its own planet before it starts more problems on a new one.

 

But, that's just me. I'm not simple-minded, I just don't think that exploration of other planets isn't the best investment in the world. What do you think?

I agree 100%. I loved watching Star Trek and playing Elite Force / Bridge Commander/ Flight Simulator and OrbiterSim and all that...

 

But we are not headed towards space it seems..

 

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Mad Tony

That picture is a load of BS. sarcasm.gif

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latoc
When I was a kid, I was obsessed with space. I knew all the planets and stuff, I was intrigued by end-world scenarios, I always watched In Search Of... (not the one with Leonard Nimoy, the new one) and I read all of Exit Mundi.com.

 

But, I have now come to the conclusion that space exploration is pointless. Every million dollars that they spend on going to some abandoned ball of rock millions of miles away is a million dollars not spent on feeding the homeless or a million dollars not spent on trying to cure a disease. What will going to Mars really give us? A bunch of nifty pictures of red rocks?

 

In my opinion, humanity needs to fix the problems on its own planet before it starts more problems on a new one.

 

But, that's just me. I'm not simple-minded, I just don't think that exploration of other planets isn't the best investment in the world. What do you think?

This is space related in some way I guess...

 

My Odyssey with the Olduvai theory began thirty-two years ago during a lecture series titled, Of Men and Galaxies, given at the University of Washington by cosmologist Sir Fred Hoyle.

 

" It has often been said that, if the human species fails to make a go of it here on Earth, some other species will take over the running. In the sense of developing high intelligence this is not correct. We have, or soon will have, exhausted the necessary physical prerequisites so far as this planet is concerned. With coal gone, oil gone, high-grade metallic ores gone, no species however competent can make the long climb from primitive conditions to high-level technology. This is a one-shot affair. If we fail, this planetary system fails so far as intelligence is concerned. The same will be true of other planetary systems. On each of them there will be one chance, and one chance only. "

 

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voyager

of course that's space-related. planetary science = branch of astronomy. actually, you can pretty easily make the case that ALL science is descended from or a subset of astronomy. figuring out what those dots in the sky are and why and how they move started it all.

 

good quote!

 

hoyle mentions those so-important high grade metallic ores that are in found in abundance within asteroids and the moons of our solar system's other planets. if we are to continue on past the physical limits of the planet, we will one day have to go off-world for resources, both mineral and energy.

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Leftcoast

 

That picture is a load of BS.

 

Makes perfect sense. Every action has a reaction, understand this and you can now see the big picture. Once you have done that, you will why that picture is a terrible visage of what the future may hold.

 

 

 

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NZskep

space exploration a waste of money?

 

NASA's annual budget = less than 20bn USD

 

What value do we get from that money? lots of inventions with real world applications (e.g. velcro) plus huge amounts of potential value inthe future (e.g. possibility of being able to mine the moon)

 

 

cost of war in Iraq since 2003 = over 500 bn. (or approx 100bn per year, 5 times the NASA budget)

(and that excludes indirect costs which some have estmated in the trillions).

 

what value do we get from that expenditure? Lots of dead soldiers and civilians, pissed off Muslims, and vast amounts of paranoia.

 

 

If you want to complain about a waste of money, start with the Iraq war. Nasa expenditure is a blip compared to that

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D- Ice

 

When I was a kid, I was obsessed with space. I knew all the planets and stuff, I was intrigued by end-world scenarios, I always watched In Search Of... (not the one with Leonard Nimoy, the new one) and I read all of Exit Mundi.com.

 

But, I have now come to the conclusion that space exploration is pointless. Every million dollars that they spend on going to some abandoned ball of rock millions of miles away is a million dollars not spent on feeding the homeless or a million dollars not spent on trying to cure a disease. What will going to Mars really give us? A bunch of nifty pictures of red rocks?

 

In my opinion, humanity needs to fix the problems on its own planet before it starts more problems on a new one.

 

But, that's just me. I'm not simple-minded, I just don't think that exploration of other planets isn't the best investment in the world. What do you think?

I can't agree any more with you on this. Especially since the biggest space-exploration organisation - NASA, is infact government-funded, and it's sheer expenditure should be scrutinised just like any other thing the government totally doesn't have it's priorities right on - just like the wars going on. Since it is the people's tax money, it should not be wasted so uselessly.

 

However, if the space industry was completely privatised, I see no reason to particularly single-out it's immoral behaiviour, in much the same way as us spending hundreds on useless luxuries like computer games (useless to staving people I mean biggrin.gif )

However, our tax dollars should be spent more responsibly for necessities (like feeding the hungry) rather than luxuries (like Mars pics) if that makes any sense.

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(like feeding the hungry) rather than luxuries (like Mars pics) if that makes any sense.

Why the f*ck does anyone bring the "feed the hungry" bullsh*t in every topic about money? are YOU gonna give food to the hungry? NO, so that's a start, and secondly, feeding hungry people will not change their lives, it's just crap like that why we think we are "good people", you wanna help? teach the homless to make his own food.

 

So, with that said, what i mean is that the space money is well invested, and more money should be invested, knowledge is a treasure, and exploration has led to many of humanity's greatest discoveries, for starters "spaghetti".

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Leftcoast

 

teach the homless to make his own food.

 

First, we have to teach the rich to quit stealing from the poor. We toooooo often forget that the needy, poor, and yes on occasion, the homeless do indeed MAKE our food and CLEAN our stuff, ect, ect , ect.

 

Major point being, we all need to have a little compassion, I do agree with your logic though. I just wanted to make the "compassion" argument.

 

"Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for a life time."

 

Is that a great argument to put money back into education or what???

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