Lioshenka Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 Order and security. Riiight. That's what Hitler and other tyrants used to justify their dictatorships. So, just because Hitler was driving Merc you are going to sue owners of the plant for racism? And tell me, what makes you think I want everything to be ruled the American way? Because you don't like it the way it is in China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolyGrenadeFrenzy Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 Order and security. Riiight. That's what Hitler and other tyrants used to justify their dictatorships. So, just because Hitler was driving Merc you are going to sue owners of the plant for racism? And tell me, what makes you think I want everything to be ruled the American way? Because you don't like it the way it is in China. The differences are getting smaller every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Tony Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 Order and security. Riiight. That's what Hitler and other tyrants used to justify their dictatorships. So, just because Hitler was driving Merc you are going to sue owners of the plant for racism? And tell me, what makes you think I want everything to be ruled the American way? Because you don't like it the way it is in China. No, I never said that. All I said was that removing freedoms in the name of order and security is what many tyrants have done in the past, Hitler being a good example of one. No, I don't like the way it is in China at the moment, but I don't want them to follow the American way either. As I said earlier, variety is good. @HolyGrenadeFrenzy: No, they're not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanUK Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 I say only, Me don't like policy in China, that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioshenka Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 (edited) Order and security. Riiight. That's what Hitler and other tyrants used to justify their dictatorships. So, just because Hitler was driving Merc you are going to sue owners of the plant for racism? And tell me, what makes you think I want everything to be ruled the American way? Because you don't like it the way it is in China. The differences are getting smaller every day. All I said was that removing freedoms in the name of order and security is what many tyrants have done in the past, Hitler being a good example of one. I agree with you on that one, but must add, that the level of allowed "freedoms" is determined by the nation. Remember, when in late 1980-ies some people over in USSR started to support pro-american way of living??? +all the propaganda that West did etc and we see that SU has collapsed which obviously did ont benefit its citizens. Same happens in China - the Government understands that if someone stats a spark it will blow a large fire, mainly because people are being told (by non-PRC media) that they are living in a horrible country with dictatorship. In western countries people, as you said, are less active, therefore even some mad people try to implement their controversial ideas there is no need to shoot them, as they won't get many supporters, while in China it is possible IMHO to start a "revolution" by targeting people in the right way, that is why the goverment tries to be more strict. I have never been to China, but I can assure you, especially after hearing a BBC's report on Russia today, where I am from originally, where the guy said some stuff about people in Russia not allowed to say their opinion, media is not to be trusted . Seeing all those those pro-Tibet-to-stay-within-China prtotests aroud the globe, I don't think Chinese really find the system so horrible. I remember a while ago British and Americans were discussing banning guns in USA. You all thought it was madness, while it was a very good and logical things for us. I guess, we can not judje other countries basing our desicion on our only opinion. If people like it how it is run in their country - let it be. ADDED Sorry, it's half past 11, I've been up since 7.30, can't be bothere to check spelling and logiccal errors, feel free to make fun of me. Edited June 18, 2008 by ˸øåíüêà Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFatseas Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 (edited) Order and security. Riiight. That's what Hitler and other tyrants used to justify their dictatorships. So, just because Hitler was driving Merc you are going to sue owners of the plant for racism? And tell me, what makes you think I want everything to be ruled the American way? Because you don't like it the way it is in China. The differences are getting smaller every day. All I said was that removing freedoms in the name of order and security is what many tyrants have done in the past, Hitler being a good example of one. I agree with you on that one, but must add, that the level of allowed "freedoms" is determined by the nation. Remember, when in late 1980-ies some people over in USSR started to support pro-american way of living??? +all the propaganda that West did etc and we see that SU has collapsed which obviously did ont benefit its citizens. Same happens in China - the Government understands that if someone stats a spark it will blow a large fire, mainly because people are being told (by non-PRC media) that they are living in a horrible country with dictatorship. In western countries people, as you said, are less active, therefore even some mad people try to implement their controversial ideas there is no need to shoot them, as they won't get many supporters, while in China it is possible IMHO to start a "revolution" by targeting people in the right way, that is why the goverment tries to be more strict. You're telling us that you do support the government willfully killing it citizens for the sake of the state. You sir, are no better than that of Hitler or Stalin. As an aside the Soviet Union collapsed due to all the Warsaw Pact countries broke off all ties to the USSR which caused the total collapse of the Soviet economy. The countries broke off because they hated the communist system. And those feelings were always there since the end of WWII. Tell me why the countries that broke off are so against communism? If it is such a good system shouldn't they want to be under it still? The Czech Republic, Poland, Ukraine etc are all very pro western and pro democratic nations, more than some in the west, and they don't ever want to go back to the old system. You don't understand the true value of freedom until you lived under oppression. Edited June 19, 2008 by TFatseas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanandreas luva101 Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 I went to Beijing 5 months ago and i think its a great place! foods nice, people are polite and kind, and who gives a sh*t about Tibet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Tony Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 who gives a sh*t about Tibet! These people: http://www.freetibet.org/ And don't forget the Tibetans themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nlitement Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 There's something called liberty and human dignity, which I believe in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forwhich Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 Could someone tell me why when I have been to Chinese neighborhoods in the past, Chinese people have repeatedly blatantly tried to cut me when I'm standing in line at a business? Is this a common practice in China? You don't have to "make" we chinese to be worse.It's totally not the situation in our country!I bet you've never been to China,right?(If not,show me the evidence about it) The truth is that,at some situations,actually there isn't any queue at all.That's the problem.But when we form a queue,the queue jumper would be considered shameless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fnorg Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 Leave Tibet. ...commies. Free Ireland? Free Californina??? Free whatever that French territory is that wants separation? Free Abkhazia? You would make a great leader, my friend. I probably wouldn't. Didn't Ireland vote on freedom? I dunno, sorry. California doesn't need to be freed. I don't think Mexico will be fussing about it, and most people living there are American, or "newly American". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioshenka Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 You're telling us that you do support the government willfully killing it citizens for the sake of the state. You sir, are no better than that of Hitler or Stalin. You are typical American. maybe, you too think that Stalin and Hitler were in coalition? Oh, and tell me, why do you kill terrorists in Iraq??? Dat's wrong, killing people for the sake of the state. s an aside the Soviet Union collapsed due to all the Warsaw Pact countries broke off all ties to the USSR which caused the total collapse of the Soviet economy. The countries broke off because they hated the communist system. And those feelings were always there since the end of WWII. Why? Because some twats were running around shouting that people abroad live better than in Eastern block. I fail to see any improvements in economics, sport, military etc of those former socialist states. Tell me why the countries that broke off are so against communism? If it is such a good system shouldn't they want to be under it still? The Czech Republic, Poland, Ukraine etc are all very pro western and pro democratic nations, more than some in the west, and they don't ever want to go back to the old system. Do you ever watch news? If not, look up for No-NATO zones in Ukraine and research the issue why the antimissile shields haven't been byild here yet. Oh... Britain is ruled by a socialist party, but don't tell anyone. You don't understand the true value of freedom until you lived under oppression. Freedom and anarchy is one big difference. I probably wouldn't. Didn't Ireland vote on freedom? I dunno, sorry. California doesn't need to be freed. I don't think Mexico will be fussing about it, and most people living there are American, or "newly American". I don't know, but the fact is that hellavea lot of crazy men in the republics want to separate, no matter voted they or not. I bet the same situation is in Tibet - that dalailama and his servants want to separate, while others don't care! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Struff Bunstridge Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 Oh... Britain is ruled by a socialist party, but don't tell anyone. No it's not. Labour are about as left wing as the Weimar Republic. All the major political parties in Britain are as central as you can get, and there's virtually nothing between them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy. Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 Could someone tell me why when I have been to Chinese neighborhoods in the past, Chinese people have repeatedly blatantly tried to cut me when I'm standing in line at a business? Is this a common practice in China? You don't have to "make" we chinese to be worse.It's totally not the situation in our country!I bet you've never been to China,right?(If not,show me the evidence about it) The truth is that,at some situations,actually there isn't any queue at all.That's the problem.But when we form a queue,the queue jumper would be considered shameless I have never been to China. I was talking about Chinese-American neighborhoods where I have been blatantly cut several times while in line. This stuff never happens to me anywhere else. It sounds a little like you're taking offense, but I'm not trying to insult the Chinese, just pointing out a minorly annoying practice. It's not even that big of a deal, I just cut the person who cut me. So cutting lines is "shameless"? Does that mean it's socially acceptable in China? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Tony Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 You are typical American. maybe, you too think that Stalin and Hitler were in coalition? Oh, and tell me, why do you kill terrorists in Iraq??? Dat's wrong, killing people for the sake of the state. First thing, you're gonna need to stop the generalization, otherwise people will just think you're an idiot. Second of all, I don't think he meant Stalin and Hitler were allied with one another (although they did form an alliance sometime in the last 30s I believe, which obviously collapsed). And we (and other nations) are killing terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan to prevent further terrorist attacks on the US or an allied nations soil (e.g. 9/11, 7/7 bombings). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nlitement Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 And we (and other nations) are killing terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan to prevent further terrorist attacks on the US or an allied nations soil (e.g. 9/11, 7/7 bombings). Iraq was dumb. Until ˸øåíüêà stops his strawman that everything that the US government does is unanimously supported by her citizens or people who know that communism doesn't work, arguing is silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFatseas Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 (edited) You're telling us that you do support the government willfully killing it citizens for the sake of the state. You sir, are no better than that of Hitler or Stalin. You are typical American. maybe, you too think that Stalin and Hitler were in coalition? Oh, and tell me, why do you kill terrorists in Iraq??? Dat's wrong, killing people for the sake of the state. s an aside the Soviet Union collapsed due to all the Warsaw Pact countries broke off all ties to the USSR which caused the total collapse of the Soviet economy. The countries broke off because they hated the communist system. And those feelings were always there since the end of WWII. Why? Because some twats were running around shouting that people abroad live better than in Eastern block. I fail to see any improvements in economics, sport, military etc of those former socialist states. Tell me why the countries that broke off are so against communism? If it is such a good system shouldn't they want to be under it still? The Czech Republic, Poland, Ukraine etc are all very pro western and pro democratic nations, more than some in the west, and they don't ever want to go back to the old system. Do you ever watch news? If not, look up for No-NATO zones in Ukraine and research the issue why the antimissile shields haven't been byild here yet. Oh... Britain is ruled by a socialist party, but don't tell anyone. You don't understand the true value of freedom until you lived under oppression. Freedom and anarchy is one big difference. I probably wouldn't. Didn't Ireland vote on freedom? I dunno, sorry. California doesn't need to be freed. I don't think Mexico will be fussing about it, and most people living there are American, or "newly American". I don't know, but the fact is that hellavea lot of crazy men in the republics want to separate, no matter voted they or not. I bet the same situation is in Tibet - that dalailama and his servants want to separate, while others don't care! I know Stalin and Hitler were total opposites, fascism and communism are the idealogical opposites of each other, but they still used the same methods, Stalins purges and Hitlers genocides. Also you know nothing of the situation in Iraq now do you. You are still using that "You're still killing people in Iraq" excuse. How original, shows you have new nothing to add. Ok why do we feed, provide infrastructure, security, basic things for life then huh? How come there are no more death squads breaking into peoples homes anymore? How come the country is getting less violent everyday? And it is not for us, it is for them, even your magical Soviets couldn't do that in Afghanistan. You should look at the Soviet methods in Afghanistan. Where they would destroy entire villages and towns if suspected of harboring fighters. Look where that got them, the Mujahiden moved out of population centers and got many more men to fight for the cause because of those methods, then the Soviets got their asses kicked. The Russians didn't try to feed them, provide infrastructure anything. All they did was try to install a puppet government and failed. People hated the communist system because before the war, those country's were democracys, or market liberals, then after Uncle Joe comes in installs puppet governments against the will of the people, and expects them now to live with it. If anything those countrys against the missile shield are scared of Russia waking back up, plausible, but not for decades. And if you don't see an improvement in those countries, honestly you are not even trying, or are not looking for the improvements you wish to see. And here the Communist Body Count Edited June 20, 2008 by TFatseas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nlitement Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 As much as I hate "anti-commies" who used to sh*t themselves during the whole cold war and equate Russians with communism, I'm very fine with it when we have a man who actually says that Staling did A GOOD JOB. My family doesn't know a single person who would like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greene Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 Leave Tibet. ...commies. Free Ireland? Free Californina??? Free whatever that French territory is that wants separation? Free Abkhazia? You would make a great leader, my friend. I probably wouldn't. Didn't Ireland vote on freedom? Vote on freedom? Irish men, women and children had to die for us to get an opportunity for our freedom. The British didn't let us free through political methods, they oppressed every attempt of gaining any degree of independence, often with brute force. We had to fight the British into a corner before they agreed to discuss Irish independence. And Northern Ireland still belongs to the British, although that part of Ireland has a pro-British majority. But I don't agree with China in Tibet at all. Or America in Iraq for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xkeremx Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 China has not belief freedom, Everyday Chineese goverment kills a muslim uighur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioshenka Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 (edited) Oh... Britain is ruled by a socialist party, but don't tell anyone. No it's not. Labour are about as left wing as the Weimar Republic. All the major political parties in Britain are as central as you can get, and there's virtually nothing between them. Their ideology is democratic socialism. Quote from official Party's Constitution of 1995: The Labour Party is a democratic socialist party And we (and other nations) are killing terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan to prevent further terrorist attacks on the US or an allied nations soil (e.g. 9/11, 7/7 bombings). Same does China. Whoever wants instability->anarchy->mass killing in the country gets shot. How come the country is getting less violent everyday? I don't know. I really don't I think, I am surrounded by liars, hundreds of thousands of them. On TV, wireless, and the Internet. They tell me that there are more people killed monthly in Iraq than it was during Saddam's regime. Ok why do we feed, provide infrastructure, security, basic things for life then huh? How come there are no more death squads breaking into peoples homes anymore? Really, no idea. They blow it all up next day anyway. The Russians didn't try to feed them, provide infrastructure anything. All they did was try to install a puppet government and failed. Now Americans succeeded doing the same. Now look at democratic Afghanistan - the world's leader of drugs exports. Nice. Hundreds of people killed every month. But democratic. against the will of the people, and expects them now to live with it It is still a big secret to me, why the hell in some countries people voted for joinning evil USSR, while others (I will not point who it was) signed the papers about West-East division of Europe or whatever. And here the Communist Body Count It's not true. My friend John has got a web-site and it says, that Stalin himself killed over 100 million people only in the first decade of 1937. And John never lies. And if you don't see an improvement in those countries, honestly you are not even trying, or are not looking for the improvements you wish to see. Yet another secret to me is why tons of people from freed countries end up all over old European countries like UK, Netherland, Germany etc. Maybe, the life in their countries is so perfect, there is nothing left for them to improve. My family doesn't know a single person who would like him. No wonder, I bet you've never been to former USSR states. Over 60% of people have positive opinion about him. He was named the second greatest Russian leader by public (after Putin). It's like I would say that I don't know anybody who likes George Adgwgwganga. Because noone from my friends knows him. Everyday Chineese goverment kills a muslim uighur And eats a virgin sorry couldn't resist Edited June 20, 2008 by ˸øåíüêà Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doesntcheatGTA Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 ^My, you are truly the quote master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nlitement Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 My family doesn't know a single person who would like him. No wonder, I bet you've never been to former USSR states. Over 60% of people have positive opinion about him. He was named the second greatest Russian leader by public (after Putin). It's like I would say that I don't know anybody who likes George Adgwgwganga. Because noone from my friends knows him. It's called a cult of personality. And I'd be happy to see the survey that says that 60% approved of him. Also, that makes sense, I MUST have NO connection to any former USSR state whatsoever even though my family lived their whole lives in the USSR? And for that matter, never even been there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xkeremx Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 F*ck socialism i hate socialism socialist prisidents killed a lot of people(central asia turks n mongols, uighurs, e.t.c) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFatseas Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 (edited) How come the country is getting less violent everyday? I don't know. I really don't I think, I am surrounded by liars, hundreds of thousands of them. On TV, wireless, and the Internet. They tell me that there are more people killed monthly in Iraq than it was during Saddam's regime. Good News More More More More More More More More That is all good news out of Iraq, so don't tell me nothing good is going on, and most of thats from the last couple of weeks. Took me five minutes to find. And there is a hell of a lot more out there. Edited June 20, 2008 by TFatseas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doesntcheatGTA Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 I thought this post was about opinions on China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Tony Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 Same does China. Whoever wants instability->anarchy->mass killing in the country gets shot. Where as in the non-barbaric countries (North America and Europe) they are not persecuted for their political views. If they're too violent and extreme, they're locked up. Not shot. While I don't agree with anarchists on any level, I completely disagree with them being shot just for their beliefs. If they're too extreme they should be locked up in jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFatseas Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 I thought this post was about opinions on China. I edited the post to see what I was referring to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fnorg Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 Vote on freedom? Irish men, women and children had to die for us to get an opportunity for our freedom. The British didn't let us free through political methods, they oppressed every attempt of gaining any degree of independence, often with brute force. We had to fight the British into a corner before they agreed to discuss Irish independence. Thank you for clearing that up. And Northern Ireland still belongs to the British, although that part of Ireland has a pro-British majority. I though the Irish people voted on being free, and say 75% was for it, and the rest was to belong to the UK. Saw that on TV 5 years ago, haven't heard about it since. But I don't agree with China in Tibet at all. Neither do I. Or America in Iraq for that matter. Neither do I. But I support the men and women over there. I hope the Iraqi people enjoy their freedom, then it was well worth it. If not, it's a loss of hundreds of thousands of lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioshenka Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 (edited) ^My, you are truly the quote master. It is a good skill, I saw some people doing quadposting on the Forums! It's called a cult of personality. And I'd be happy to see the survey that says that 60% approved of him So are you trying to say, that in todays Russia (well not exactly, the survey was carried out in 2006) there is Stalin's cult? You must be from Baltic states then, if your family doesn't like him F*ck socialism i hate socialism socialist prisidents killed a lot of people(central asia turks n mongols, uighurs, e.t.c) So did any government in the world. Turkey carried out a genocide or Armenians, and it wasn't socialistic back then. I don't even want to discuss the non-Muslims issue of 1870-ies Where as in the non-barbaric countries (North America and Europe) they are not persecuted for their political views. If they're too violent and extreme, they're locked up. Not shot. While I don't agree with anarchists on any level, I completely disagree with them being shot just for their beliefs. If they're too extreme they should be locked up in jail. I personally wouldn't like pay taxes for them having computers and free food and internet by just thinking differently. And I think that we have got so much terror going on because of them being released early and going back to crime. BTW I don't want to shoot you, though you have clearly different opinion while I really don't like the guy who wants to blow up me, my friends and family on the next bus. TFatseas Good that you did some research, I am not giong to waste my time doing the same, sadly, but I will keep listening to BBC R2 news, and when they will stop reporting death and bombings from Iraq then I may change my mind. Edited June 20, 2008 by ˸øåíüêà Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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