Hopefully...

[SaintJimmy]

Look guys, I know many have tried and asked to stop these damn threads complaining about how IV might've been a step back, and how its missing so many features SA had.

 

I just thought i'd explain a few things.

 

My MAIN POINT is;

GTA IV is the start of a new GTA series, one on next-gen consoles. GTA III was also the start. It had hardly any features, but managed, with its sequels/expansions, to build up to many more. The same will go with IV and its (hopefully) sequels and expansions. Its just GTA tradition.

 

But for smaller ponts;

BMX's: Do you want to see your awesome, tough serbian mobster riding around on a bike when he could be taking a fine, posh car? No. It suited SA because you start out as a ghetto youth, and it suits the environment. But for IV its irrelevant.

 

Car Modding: It would've been nice and all, but seeing as that GTA IV took a turn for more realism, it would

1) be hardly realistic at all to just take any car you wanted into a shop, press a button and BAM! Spoiler/Nos/Sideskirts/whatever on your car. Kay, you might say something like 'well maybe they could've made it so that you wait until your car is done', but

2) it wouldnt fit IV anyway. SA had car races and more of an underground racing scene; whereas LC doesnt.

 

Jetpacks: yeah they'd be fun, but like i said; IV took a turn for more realism

 

Parachutes: Now i'm not sure why this was taken out. Would've actually been relevant and useful in the game, but perhaps not all helicopters contain parachutes in them, and R* was being realistic and this is why it was taken out. But hey, you dont see me complaining.

 

As for the other elements; haircuts, muscle building, gyms etc., with SA, R* took a beautiful game and turned it into a character building game. I'm guessing they came to their senses and realised that that's not how GTA should be, thats why these features were taken out.

 

If you dont agree with me as to why those features were taken out then read my main point ^^.

And if you're going to whine at me and flame me, then make sure you've at least taken the time to read what i've said.

 

edit: sh*t, spelling error in my topic title. DAMN. lol.

Edited May 18, 2008 by SaintJimmy

[SaintJimmy]

bump: shame to double post but i just spent my 5 minutes writing this up and no-one is willing to recoginize it.

:'(

[Grand Theft Auto Dude]

Well said.

[SaintJimmy]

Thank you

wonder if anyone else thinks the same

[Dhatz]

agreed. Ppl need to realize that Iv is only beginning of new generation.

 

Every piece starting a new generation needed further improvements.

IV is no exception. They wanted some never before seen realism,but it's not that hot. The euphoria is only partially showing off it's possibilities.

That's what's wrong with the game. We want more realism for this generation,that means more ideas and variety,as well as new features,not the old trash which wasn't done properly in SA.

 

I can only ask: where the flock are new weapons?

don'tyou think the same?

[[MenaceMovies]]

God damnit when will people stop opening these stupid "Stop posting about IV being bad pl0x" topics?

 

Those people have the right to express their opinion on which title they like best.

[SaintJimmy]

agreed. Ppl need to realize that Iv is only beginning of new generation.

 

Every piece starting a new generation needed further improvements.

IV is no exception. They wanted some never before seen realism,but it's not that hot. The euphoria is only partially showing off it's possibilities.

That's what's wrong with the game. We want more realism for this generation,that means more ideas and variety,as well as new features,not the old trash which wasn't done properly in SA.

 

I can only ask: where the flock are new weapons?

don'tyou think the same?

I dont understand that post (if you're defending IV or attacking it)

You say that there is a new level of realism (which there is) and then go on to say 'where are new weapons'.

I dont think that being able to carry as many weapons as you were in SA would be that realistic; but perhaps dropping a pistol to exchange for another pistol would be nice.

yeah, i guess more variety would be good.

but hey, point and shoot. thats all that matters, right?

 

@menace, i have the right to express my opinion as well.

im just putting out there the reasons why some the features that everyone complains about are missing, are missing.

dont be so hypocritical.

[Damo.]

' date='May 18 2008, 09:28'] God damnit when will people stop opening these stupid "Stop posting about IV being bad pl0x" topics?

 

Those people have the right to express their opinion on which title they like best.

As do the people who open these topics.

 

Anyway, I agree with most of the points here, though it would have been nice to be able to get a haircut.

[SaintJimmy]

yeah i guess haircuts would've been nice.

But i found it odd that (in Sa, with haircuts) if you had, for example, a bald haircut, and wanted to get a new one, you suddenly grew a marvellous head of hair I guess thats prob why R* took it out.

[Undecided]

I really liked the gun skill leveling. And no, it didnt turn the game into a character building game, just added that small aspect to it, it didn't change the entire game, it was still GTA

But personally I am fine without the haircuts, fat, muscles, etc. I just liked the feeling of advancement and achievement you got from leveling gun skills

[Kay Dogg]

Why would you want to end discussion?!

 

But yes, I would be happy to reply to your thoughts...

 

Firstly I'm not sure the fact that gta 3 has its own improved sequels quite warrants it being a gta tradition. I mean, yes, I hope that each progressive GTA is an improvement, of course I do - it damn well should be - but by that token all criticism is removed from any series game because we're constantly just awaiting the next one. You really do have to judge a single game on it's own merits and not what (might) follow.

 

BMX's... Can't see any harm in them being there - quite handy little getaway vehicles they were - less likely to crash, able to lose police cars down tight alleys etc. I don't personally miss them but I fail to see what Niko's character has to do with their absence, the city is populated by plenty of people who could (and realisticly SHOULD) have pedal bikes.

 

CAR MODDING... I'd dispute the notion that GTA4 has taken 'a turn for realism' but I would suggest that the acquiring and keeping of vehicles seems less important in this game where getting taxi's to and from missions is by far the easier choice and often the vehicles you take to a mission are left far behind when you abandon them for trucks or whatever. But as ever I can't see any harm whatsoever in the feature being in there for people who do enjoy pimping their ride.

 

JETPACKS... It's just a hunch but I'm guessing that if they had been present in the game all the people who keep insisting that it's great their absent because they were silly and unrealistic would be quite happy to play with them.

 

PARACHUTES... All helicopters SHOULD contain parachutes... I can't see them helping during the missions in this game though.

 

HAIRCUTS, MUSCLE BUILDING, GYM... well they've been replaced with social networking which is just as pointless from my point of view - but as I have stated several times already - stick em in to keep those who want them happy - I don't have to use them.

 

WHINING AND FLAMING YOU... No I won't bother.

[tarquin biscuitbarrel]

rockstar didn't want to add all those features into VC and SA, they do nothing but pry attention away from the main story which ultimately decides the gaming experience.

 

in VC and SA they needed to add the extra features otherwise it would be GTA3 with new characters and a new story, but otherwise exactly the same. when you make a sequel which is so similar graphically, you need to step it up otherwise it will fail.

 

GTA4 doesn't need that, it's completely new and the vastly improved detail, physics and graphics are enough to make it a worthy sequel. maybe some people would like to see all the SA junk thrown in, but i personally wouldn't care... squeezing superficial crap into GTA4 and pushing the release back a further 6 months... would you kindly F*** off.

 

multiplayer in the GTA series is stepping about a mile forwards, then if some people think it deserves a step back because it doesn't have a gym, silenced pistol, planes or ambulance missions then it's only a tiny little 1 inch shuffle backwards.

[DZorro]

 

Look guys, I know many have tried and asked to stop these damn threads complaining about how IV might've been a step back, and how its missing so many features SA had.

 

 

If you dont agree with me as to why those features were taken out then read my main point ^^.

And if you're going to whine at me and flame me, then make sure you've at least taken the time to read what i've said.

 

edit: sh*t, spelling error in my topic title. DAMN. lol.

 

No it won't. This will never stop complaints. People have the right to complain. They paid good money for it.

[Dhatz]

I dont want to carry million weapons in my pockets,but there's nothing interesting or new.

I can name dozen upgraded weapons you never see in a game,which is really lame. How can we get to play with them when we can't find them in any game?

Who the fcuk is interested in Deagle when they made it les powerfull than it has to be.

Weapons are always point of interest in GTA,but notonly there.

 

Why people love counter-strike? it has weapons! I never seen any game that had better weaponry.

 

Why it's everytime the same weapons we meetin any game?

Timesmove on.so do weapons and crimes. IV didn't capture that.

 

No game is black or white.

[JS1989]

evryone keeps saying that this is a start of something new bla bla bla f*ck that I dont want to start something new I want to continue where we left with gta 4 this is where most people are mad about

[Hart]

 

But for smaller ponts;

BMX's: Do you want to see your awesome, tough serbian mobster riding around on a bike when he could be taking a fine, posh car? No. It suited SA because you start out as a ghetto youth, and it suits the environment. But for IV its irrelevant.

 

 

I dont know why people complain about the lack of BMX. WE HAVE THE SANCHEZ TO PISS ABOUT IN. go to one of the skate parks on a sanchez people! Land a backflip and then come back to me and say this game needs BMX's

[Fuzzknuckles]

Is a tough guy riding a BMX any different to a tough guy in an Ice Cream van or on a f*cking Faggio?

 

I'm guessing the main reason the bicycles were OUT was because of the Euphoria side of the engine and the way it controls people's legs. If you look at Niko when he's running down stairs, or even just running along the street, his legs do weird things occasionally. This probably limited what they could do, in terms of animating him. Perhaps that'll be ironed out for the next installment.

[JS1989]

 

agreed. Ppl need to realize that Iv is only beginning of new generation.

 

Every piece starting a new generation needed further improvements.

IV is no exception. They wanted some never before seen realism,but it's not that hot. The euphoria is only partially showing off it's possibilities.

That's what's wrong with the game. We want more realism for this generation,that means more ideas and variety,as well as new features,not the old trash which wasn't done properly in SA.

 

I can only ask: where the flock are new weapons?

don'tyou think the same?

I dont understand that post (if you're defending IV or attacking it)

You say that there is a new level of realism (which there is) and then go on to say 'where are new weapons'.

I dont think that being able to carry as many weapons as you were in SA would be that realistic; but perhaps dropping a pistol to exchange for another pistol would be nice.

yeah, i guess more variety would be good.

but hey, point and shoot. thats all that matters, right?

 

@menace, i have the right to express my opinion as well.

im just putting out there the reasons why some the features that everyone complains about are missing, are missing.

dont be so hypocritical.

but carrying an RPG, AK-47 and 25 Molotov cocktails in your jacket pocket is realistic?

[SaintJimmy]

agreed. Ppl need to realize that Iv is only beginning of new generation.

 

Every piece starting a new generation needed further improvements.

IV is no exception. They wanted some never before seen realism,but it's not that hot. The euphoria is only partially showing off it's possibilities.

That's what's wrong with the game. We want more realism for this generation,that means more ideas and variety,as well as new features,not the old trash which wasn't done properly in SA.

 

I can only ask: where the flock are new weapons?

don'tyou think the same?

I dont understand that post (if you're defending IV or attacking it)

You say that there is a new level of realism (which there is) and then go on to say 'where are new weapons'.

I dont think that being able to carry as many weapons as you were in SA would be that realistic; but perhaps dropping a pistol to exchange for another pistol would be nice.

yeah, i guess more variety would be good.

but hey, point and shoot. thats all that matters, right?

 

@menace, i have the right to express my opinion as well.

im just putting out there the reasons why some the features that everyone complains about are missing, are missing.

dont be so hypocritical.

but carrying an RPG, AK-47 and 25 Molotov cocktails in your jacket pocket is realistic?

well it seems to be more realistic than carrying 2 colt pistols, a katana, 2 sawn off shotguns, an m4, a sniper rifle, a minigun, a camera, satchel charges and some flowers.

[Fuzzknuckles]

well it seems to be more realistic than carrying 2 colt pistols, a katana, 2 sawn off shotguns, an m4, a sniper rifle, a minigun, a camera, satchel charges and some flowers.

*high five*

 

Well said man.

[beanmike206]

 

agreed. Ppl need to realize that Iv is only beginning of new generation.

 

 

THANK YOU! people arnt all retards

[Jew4Life]

I like the OP's post. He's not saying "GTFO GTA IV HATERS", he's presenting them with his side of the argument. So yes he has that same right of free speech as the haters/flamers.

 

Although I guess you can miss some things out of SA

[SaintJimmy]

I like the OP's post. He's not saying "GTFO GTA IV HATERS", he's presenting them with his side of the argument. So yes he has that same right of free speech as the haters/flamers.

 

Although I guess you can miss some things out of SA

Yeah. well at least those people can understand why their beloved features are missing.

thanks for the support guys.

[OriginalGangster]

Theres no reason to customize your character in GTA, only the clothing customization is enough. There's also no need for a BMX, Niko's a grown man. The only thing i wanted in this game that was in SA was the parachute. Some people said they wanted to fly planes but cmon.. this is a post 9/11 world here. no one's gonna be flying planes anytime soon. Also, car customization is not needed at all. I feel like it fit in SA and SA only.. could you imagine doing it in VC? Me either.

 

And all i have to say about this whole realism/non-realism thing is.. this is video games people.. shut up. theres no 100% realistic and no 100% non-realistic. Just play the game. You get what you get, crying is not going to change anything.

[SaintJimmy]

Theres no reason to customize your character in GTA, only the clothing customization is enough. There's also no need for a BMX, Niko's a grown man. The only thing i wanted in this game that was in SA was the parachute. Some people said they wanted to fly planes but cmon.. this is a post 9/11 world here. no one's gonna be flying planes anytime soon. Also, car customization is not needed at all. I feel like it fit in SA and SA only.. could you imagine doing it in VC? Me either.

 

And all i have to say about this whole realism/non-realism thing is.. this is video games people.. shut up. theres no 100% realistic and no 100% non-realistic. Just play the game. You get what you get, crying is not going to change anything.

Yeah thats practically exactly what i said; thank christ some other people out there think the same as me.

I also do not understand why people cannot get over the fact that their features are missing. sure, they have every right to be upset but they also should be able to get over it and live with it; or just go play another game.

[AdZ767]

Another thing that people keep forgetting or are just playing dam ignorant to is the fact SA used alot of stuff from GTA 3 and VC, which gave the devs more time to add other bits in like, customization, jetpacks, planes, more land mass, more vehicles and minigames ect ect. GTA IV is built on a new engine and everything is freshy made, so obviously the next GTA will expand on what we have already, unless of course they will wait till the next gen of system to come and start a fresh again.

Edited May 19, 2008 by AdZ767

[SaintJimmy]

unless of course they will wait till the next gen of system to come and start a fresh again.

which is what has been done

[Algonquin Assassin]

Another thing that people keep forgetting or are just playing dam ignorant to is the fact SA used alot of stuff from GTA 3 and VC, which gave the devs more time to add other bits in like, customization, jetpacks, planes, more land mass, more vehicles and minigames ect ect. GTA IV is built on a new engine and everything is freshy made, so obviously the next GTA will expand on what we have already, unless of course they will wait till the next gen of system to come and start a fresh again.

Thank god someone is using their brain. for you.

 

This is what I've said all along.

 

SA had a proven engine already built, and expanded upon GTA III, and VC. It makes sense R* added so much stuff.

 

GTA IV on the other needed to be completely built using a new everything just about.

 

 

[pacopinoy]

i didn't read any single reply, but i strongly feel that a big thing to consider is simply the fact that when Rockstar was first making the game, the PS3 and 360 was a brand new, huge, and entirely different canvas for Rockstar to paint on and right now they're just skimming the surface of the iceberg. you can't expect them to get soo much done ya know?

 

edit: you can't argue with that!

Edited May 19, 2008 by pacopinoy

[CrymsinB]

Haven't we learned anything from GTA, and America? We have freedom of speech, and with that comes the right to complain and state our opinions. Which in turn causes people to complain about EVERYTHING and ANYTHING even when there is no reason to! If you gave 3 people a million dollars, I bet at least one of em would complain that the other guy got his first. Thats why I say if there ever was a 2nd American revolution it wouldn't work, there is no way you can get anyone to agree on anything. The American dream is to complain about everything, and get real fat off fast food. While the rest of the world sits back and waits for our mighty American Superpower empire to crumble. In good time onlookers.....

 

Just my opinion which I'm entitled to. Does it have ant relevance to the topic... well whatever you want you think.