GTA IV: A step backwards?

[Hove_Beach]

unmarked police cars - still in

 

The rest is fine

good news - lol - thanks for pointing that out now help me out please

 

what level star do u have to get and what car are they, also do they have sirens on dashboard ? - i want one for my safehouse.

 

 

[Swiechu]

LMAO, that why I still play Tetris... it's compelling story. GTA IS ABOUT RUNNING AROUND, STEALING CARS, AND DUSTING IT UP WITH THE COPS. IF R* decides it's no longer about these things, I simply won't be playing. I know that dissapoints some of you, but I'm sure some also agree.

Well, if you were right, you would admit that IV is way better, because the elements you mentioned are better (I mean waaaaay better) in IV. And if you think story doesn't matter, you are simply wrong. It makes you really identify with character, makes him alive, adds to emotional value of game becuse of decisons you make, which ain't always right (I really regret killing one person, but I forgot how to put spoiler tags, so I won't post who).

[Hove_Beach]

if you think story doesn't matter, you are simply wrong. It makes you really identify with character, makes him alive, adds to emotional value of game becuse of decisons you make, which ain't always right (I really regret killing one person, but I forgot how to put spoiler tags, so I won't post who).

thats true - in this one i really felt compelled to make a decision wether to kill someone or not

 

the only thing i miss from other GTA's and il name VC stories as an example this time not SA - lmao

 

was getting direct repercusions from killing people - ie having the cholos attack my businesses or if in their area they would attack me - i thought wen i left bohan and went back there would be beef - but nothing -

 

im not saying bring busineses backs or gangs but if not refine them then bring something else new into the game that makes me really feel - damn now thats made a "real" diff to living in the GTA world - there was no retaliation or prolonged sense of reourcusions in the game in free roam - only in the main missions

 

In R* defense - the decison making is a really good step foward !

[xRTRx Anathema]

I'm sick of saying it, but all twelve year-old haters who prefer flying round in jetpacks in single player can just f*ck off these forums and go and play on their PlayStation2.

 

Bloody pricks.

[wayninja]

LMAO, that why I still play Tetris... it's compelling story.  GTA IS ABOUT RUNNING AROUND, STEALING CARS, AND DUSTING IT UP WITH THE COPS.  IF R* decides it's no longer about these things, I simply won't be playing.  I know that dissapoints some of you, but I'm sure some also agree.

Well, if you were right, you would admit that IV is way better, because the elements you mentioned are better (I mean waaaaay better) in IV. And if you think story doesn't matter, you are simply wrong. It makes you really identify with character, makes him alive, adds to emotional value of game becuse of decisons you make, which ain't always right (I really regret killing one person, but I forgot how to put spoiler tags, so I won't post who).

No, I wouldn't admit that. SA has lots more options for dusting it up with the cops and lots more car stuff to tinker with. IV has prettier graphics and better physics system, which for a much newer game should be a given.

 

I thought GTA III was awesome and didn't identify with the character one bit. Even if you have the best story in the world, it's not reason enough to play more than once or twice...

 

[GTAfanatical]

what is wrong with peopel on these forums

 

just because peopel miss features from past games and are a bit dissapointed IT DOESNT MEAN THEY HATE THE GAME

 

 

[Algonquin Assassin]

 

Again, it's a bit unfair to compare a game released 3 weeks ago to one released 5 years ago.

 

 

Oh please...

 

You SA fanboys are constantly bringing up what GTA IV lacks from SA, and now you're saying it's unfair to compare them together, because one is older?

 

Anyway the argument is exactly like PS3 vs 360, Ford vs Chevrolet, Coke vs Pepsi, GTA vs Saints Row etc it'll never be put to rest.

 

Personally I like GTA IV more then SA, because the whole "West Coast Gangsta" theme isn't appealing to me these days.

 

The way I see it GTA IV has improved on the things that matter i.e driving, shooting, fighting etc over the old GTAs.

Edited May 19, 2008 by Miamivicecity

[EAZZY DUZ IT187]

what is wrong with peopel on these forums

 

just because peopel miss features from past games and are a bit dissapointed IT DOESNT MEAN THEY HATE THE GAME

Well, I don’t know but do i know one thing that is wrong with peopLE is that they have terrible spelling and grammar. Aren’t you supposed to be 18 to play this game?

 

 

[wayninja]

 

Again, it's a bit unfair to compare a game released 3 weeks ago to one released 5 years ago.

 

 

Oh please...

 

You SA fanboys are constantly bringing up what GTA IV lacks from SA, and now you're saying it's unfair to compare them together, because one is older?

Yes, it's unfair to compare the graphics and AI. It's not unfair to compare gameplay elements.

 

One is much more timeless than the other. Are you really that thick that I have to explain this?

Edited May 19, 2008 by wayninja

[Algonquin Assassin]

Explain what you mean by "timeless"?

 

Out of all the GTAs I've always thought Vice City has stood the test of time better.

 

Although I now see what you mean by comparing graphics, and A.I.

 

 

Edited May 19, 2008 by Miamivicecity

[Gadzooks]

A step backwards? You have got to be kidding me. You guys wanedt to see Niko playing basketball, getting pink mohawks or going to dance clubs? San Andreas was good because it had those worthless features and worthless room. That's what made it good. It was huge. You had all the room you wanted to cause destruction.

 

You guys wanted GTA4 to have even more worthless room and features? If you want to fly planes, run around vast deserts and forests, bounce around in a lowrider with your grove street boys, or fly around on a jetpack go play San Andreas. It's fun.

 

If you want a realistic gaming experience, where you can explore a vast and highly detailed city that truely lives, play GTA4.

 

It is definitely NOT a step back in the series. It is the stepping stone into the new generation of GTA as GTA 3 was for the last generation.

[wayninja]

 

If you want to fly planes, run around vast deserts and forests, bounce around in a lowrider with your grove street boys, or fly around on a jetpack go play San Andreas. It's fun.

 

San Andreas doesn't have Euphoria and it's graphics are really starting to show their age. There lots of things that can be improved about it to...

 

Does that put the complaints into a bit of perspective?

 

 

 

Explain what you mean by "timeless"?

 

 

Basically that the element itself does not necessarily change or improve with technology. It's simply a static feature such as the ability to steal a car.

[Algonquin Assassin]

See the problem with SA was it set a bar way to high, and I think R* realised this.

 

People make out that it's the end of the world, because so many things from the old GTAs weren't carried over. R* are probably planning on the left out features in the next GTA.

 

All companies no matter what they make have to sacrifice in order to survive, even if what they sacrifice has nothing wrong with it in the first place. Imagine if Ford were still making Model Ts?

 

SA also had a base layed down for it, thus enabling R* to add all the things that they did, and only had the PS2 to contend with at first. GTA IV was a ground up build for not only the PS3, but the 360 aswell. Everything in GTA IV was built from scratch. Atleast SA had a proven game engine to work from. I'm expecting great things from the next GTA, because R* now have a new base to work from.

 

It would be nice if people would look at the bigger picture, stop being so narrow minded, and see GTA IV's positives rather then its negatives.

Edited May 19, 2008 by Miamivicecity

[Avonos]

If you want a realistic gaming experience, where you can explore a vast and highly detailed city that truely lives, play GTA4.

 

 

Im not a SA fanboy by any means but the comment that gta IV is a living city pisses me off. If it were a living city than they would have more than 20 bulidings accessible in a city boasting thousands of buildings. I like gta IV but i get tired of city that is that is built out of giant blocks of cement that you cant enter i mean they should have atleast made the fist floor of most buildings enterable.

[ComputerBlue]

Ahhh, yes. The humble opinion of the guy who has not played the game but spends all his time on internet forums saying it sucks. A classic.

 

Get a console and play the damn game.

shut up...it is a step backwards

[Touge Union]

i dont agree that GTAIV has gone a step back, but i dont particularly like the way it just had city and suburbs, i liked the way SA had countryside, mountains and desert. although we dont know whether its gone back intime untill the DLC comes out, we dont what that'll have on it.

 

i for one hope that its another island or something like that, something that has the 'scarface: the world is yours' concept (boat or fly to a long off island, not lust for one mission)

[Doggson]

 

The story was mediocre. GTA SHOULD NOT be about a story anyway.

Exactly Gta should only be about going on rampages and kill everything

 

 

... Im just f*cking kidding, story or the game can gtfo

[aDFP]

Before I start, I want to make it clear that I do not reckon GTA IV in any way perfect, I do not worship at the shrine of Rockstar, nor wish to insert any part of their bodies into my mouth. Ever.

 

That said, I find this thread, and the trolls who frequent it, ridiculous. Considering the time and expense of developing ANYTHING on these 2 next-gen consoles, I find it incredible that people (well, internet trolls) would criticise Rockstar for not remaking GTA: SA and instead having the gall to remake their franchise from the ground up.

 

Development costs are not finite, and Rockstar obviously made the choice to put together something that captured the core experience of the game, and took advantage of the capabilities of the 360 and PS3, rather than redoing GTA:SA with hires textures.

 

Which they could have, and still made a fortune.

 

I'm guessing that if we had THAT game, then the GTA IV<GTA:SA trolls on this forum would not be the tiny minority that they are.

[GTAfanatical]

why do you become a troll if you want past features in the game??

 

also i barely played san andreas, never got the time but what i did play i liked. im just a bit puzzled why all the little things that made it such a successful sandbox game got taken out

 

all i can come up with is they spent too much time and money on physics and graphics and has sold us out in the form of dlc

 

yes all those features were pointless, but they added fun. buying clothes carwashes and the cable car in this game is pointless, but it adds fun to the game.

 

gta was successfulk because it kept giving more making its sandbox mode bigger and better after the story is done. this game hasnt

[tom_p1980]

 

I haven't yet got the game (waiting for PC version), but surely going from a whole state (including motorways and countryside towns) to only one city is a bit of a step backwards?  After having all that area to explore (and cause trouble in), surely going back to a single city, even if it is huge, is a bit of a letdown?  When I heard that it wasn't going to be set in London, but in the USA (again), I was disappointed, but I was expecting it to provide us with a nice big slice of country to cause mayhem in, not just one city.

Seriously as a Brit myself I would hate it to be set in London, or it's likeness. It's bad enough that it's London this, London that in our media as it is. If you want London play The Getaway. Thats whats good about us Brits making games like GTA, we get to take the piss out of the American stereotype and their culture. London is a pure dive, a boring, bland city, thats why The Getaway was sh!t.

I dunno whether this a whiney PC gamer or a another whiney San Andreas gamer or even a whiney San Andreas PC gamer?

 

I would soon rather see a future GTA game set in Bradford or Bognor Regis than London anyday.

 

All I can add, as I'm sick of the GTA San Andreas - GTA IV comparrison whiners, is did San An have an online multiplayer? not the crappy, laggy, buggy PC version which needed a mod? but did SA have a strong online multiplayer ability as standard? NO. End argument there.

Edited May 19, 2008 by tom_p1980

[aDFP]

why do you become a troll if you want past features in the game??

Wanting the features that were dropped from San Andreas does not per se make one a troll, but you only have to scan the forum pages to see posters claiming that 'GTA IV is geographically smaller than GTA:SA, therefore GTA IV sucks balls', etc.

 

Same goes for insulting anyone who dares to argue to case.

 

I loved GTA:SA, but I'm not sorry that Rockstar focused their time and energy into improving upon what was great about GTA 3.

[Signor Vercetti]

Does the traffic drive at a realistic speed, not the snail's pace in the other GTA games, where you could often run faster than someone was driving!

[amcycletrans]

GTA IV has brought the new generation physics to the next level!. Virtually everything reacts to movement now. Mailboxes, trash cans, park benches, newspaper stands, fences that collapse, light poles that fall and spark at the base. These little incidentals that no one really pays attention to but are important for the effect of realisim. Rockstar has not only produced a game with storyline content, but focused on creating a enviroment where the gamer can immerse themselves into a virtual reality.

[feroxxism]

all o yall that are talking up a storm on these forums about a game that's a step backward, you need to consider the following:

 

1. you are playing the game, probably a lot.

2. unless you are a masochist, you are enjoying said play

3. you are spending time talking on forums about a game that you claim is fail

4. the OP did not even play the game.

 

I call shenanigans, this thread is fail.

 

also, if you dont like the game, throw it away, get the bloody f*cking hell of these forums, and go play saints row or hello kitty island adventure or something.