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B4rto

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*NOTE* - Before i start, I have chosen Christianity purely because this is the only religion I have encountered in my life, and the only religion I have a basic knowledge with (By basic, i mean what the general population are lead to believe). People who believe in a religion (Partically Christians) may find some of the points I make in this thread offensive.

 

Religion. It has been around for thousands of years with millions of people today still visiting churches to worship their Lord and sacrifising parts of their own lives to "please" God and eventually when they die get into Heaven. As i have said in a previous post, I am not a religious man, and don't believe in a God. In this thread I am going to make a list of points of why I PERSONALLY think religion is flawed.

 

Before i start, I am not bashing Christians. I respect their beliefs and the way they live their lives.

 

When i say "children", I am talking about God's children, which is basically young and old people (Were all Gods children........)

Lets get started.

 

Heaven:

 

- If you Sin, you will not go to Heaven.

But if all sins are forgiven, won't everybody go to Heaven?

 

- Those who try to "play" God will not go to Heaven.

So the people that research into helping sick people (Curing disease, reviving casulties ect.) and helping that persons family avoid grief won't be accepted into Heaven?

 

Hell:

 

- People who have Sinned God will go to Hell.

Apparently Sins are forgiven.....But we are still lead to believe that bad people will burn in hell for eternity. On that note, what God would allow his children to burn in such a place?

 

Can't really think of anything else to put here.

 

General:

 

- Children/Teenages getting shot/abused

Why does your God allow people to sexually/physically abuse his children? Why does God allow children to be killed on the streets? Why does God allow a group of teenages savagely kicks a young fathers body repeatidly until he dies?

 

- Terrorists/Mass Murderers

Why does God allow two young males to go into a school and kill his innocent children? Why does God allow terrorists to hijack a plane and crash it purposly to kill thousands of his innocent children?

 

- God created everything.

Why did God create a hell? If everybody is forgiven in the end, was there any need for it?

 

- Evil is all the devils doing.

Why did God create such an evil being to run riot on his earth? Does God purposly want to hurt his people?

 

 

I could go on for pages but I think I have got my point across. Apparently if you do bad, you go to hell, but all is forgiven so it doesn't matter anyway?

 

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People say God created this world and let his children run it. How could he not intervine when "his" world has gotten so out of control? And how can he judge us for not believing in him in our lives when he has left no solid evidence that he even exsists?

 

 

Anyway. I would like to hear some Christian thoughts on any of my points, and the views of other non-believers like myself.

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Typhus

God allows evil because he is flawed. He breaks his own rules and gives us rules that contradict one another. The reason for this is to inspire confusion so that no one person is ever beyond sin.

If God was to create a world without evil he would invalidate himself. For every good there is an evil and for every evil there is a good.

Consider the Devil, do you really believe that God will just forget him? That God will damn him to torture until the end of time? No. Because things are predetermined and therefore Satan (And The Antichrist) are merely serving a purpose. They have no choice. Just as some humans have no choice.

The problem is down to the expectation that God is perfect. If that was the case why would he murder his own creation? Why would he flood Earth and then send a rainbow? The rainbow was a promise that he would never flood the entire Earth again. This implies guilt. A perfect being has no need for guilt as he is never wrong.

Even Jesus Christ, even Jesus Christ himself was not beyond sin. Those missing years, calling that non-Jewish woman a "dog", vandalising the Temple.

Simply put, evil exists because God, like us, has the capacity to commit evil deeds.

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Vercetti21

 

Apparently if you do bad, you go to hell, but all is forgiven so it doesn't matter anyway?

Here's your main problem. I think you're a bit naive about what the religion is about. According to Christianity, to go to heaven, you must be saved, and to be saved you must confess your sins and declare Jesus Christ as your Lord and savior. There is a difference between being a good person and being saved. You can donate all of your money to charity, but you will still go to Hell if you do not believe in Jesus as our savior.

 

All sins are not forgiven, as you claim. The only sins that are forgiven are the ones which are confessed. God sees all sins as equally bad. That is why a murderer will go to Heaven as long as he confesses the sin and asks for forgiveness, but a liar will go to Hell if he rejects God and does not admit to his actions.

 

It's all a bit confusing really, but the point I was trying to get across that most people don't realize is that there is a difference between being good and being saved.

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Prince Drac

Another problem with your points is the way you're interpreting religious doctrines.

I'm not a religious man either but I've taken philosophy and religion courses with priests, brothers, and friars.

 

Your questions about why God allows so and so to commit evil acts, you seem to think that God controls everything that happens. @Typhus God doesn't allow these things to happen because he is flawed. Actually he is the perfect being, and not a man. The problem is that many people interpret God to just be another super natural being while at the same time being like man. God is more like the idea, or essence of the perfect being. God doesn't control what people do, ohterwise God's reasoning would be illogical about life. Forcing people to be good and believe in God just takes away everything God stands for to begin with. Think about it, if someone forced you to do something so they can teach you a lesson, that doesn't actually help you learn anything if you don't want to. If anything you can just do it just to please the person. God wouldn't be the ultimate perfect all good being if God forced people to do only good acts.

 

God is meant to represet the highest goal for everyone to achieve. The idea of ascending into Heaven means to become one with God, and achieve eternal happiness. This is the central idea of God not just to Christians, but also to many other religions.Note that I said central idea, because the details of God are different across religions, but what God is meant to be for each religion is pretty much the same.

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I've a question regarding different religions and the fueds that goes on between them, bare in mind that I'm no expert on religion nor religious beliefs so some of my concepts may (and probably will) be flawed. Also, note that I will refer to the creators of the world (for each religion) merely by god. Not God, Allah etc. simply becuase I do not know the names of all the gods of these religions and don't want to offend anyone.

 

Christians belief in a god, Muslims belief in a god, Jews belief in a god. Every religion beliefs in a god that they cannot see, smell, touch or sense in anyway (other then spirtitual) yet they have wars and fueds with eachother over their god. Why? Whats not to say that they are all praying to the same god? Maybe Jesus or any other prophet was not actually a prophet but does this really matter? They all firmly belief there is a god but don't consider perhaps that if there is a god that the next religion not also worshipping him simply because he is the god. Who cares if the have a different name, sources (non of which can be proven and are supported solely on faith) or forms on earth (?) he is still the same god is he not?

 

Do I belief in god? Yes. Do I belief in Christianity (I was raised a Catholic)? No. Do I look down on Christians for believing in something that I think is ludacris? No because at the end of the day we all look to the same god just by a different means.

 

It is something I have always wondered and perhaps someone here can try to explain it to me because I just can't unserstand.

 

Also, for the record I don't belief in Heaven or Hell or Satan. I belief that God (with a capital G becuase he is my God but may also be yours...) is the begining and end of all. I don't expect him to be perfect, we control our lifes not him. He is not the result of thousands of deaths. He created us and we make our own desicisions from now on, there is no 'Master Plan' but there is a choice.

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- Children/Teenages getting shot/abused

Why does your God allow people to sexually/physically abuse his children? Why does God allow children to be killed on the streets? Why does God allow a group of teenages savagely kicks a young fathers body repeatidly until he dies?

 

- Terrorists/Mass Murderers

Why does God allow two young males to go into a school and kill his innocent children? Why does God allow terrorists to hijack a plane and crash it purposly to kill thousands of his innocent children?

 

- God created everything.

Why did God create a hell? If everybody is forgiven in the end, was there any need for it?

 

- Evil is all the devils doing.

Why did God create such an evil being to run riot on his earth? Does God purposly want to hurt his people?

 

Why? can you imagine a world where possibly everything was absolutely perfect? Personally, I cannot. I'm an Orthodox Christian, so our views of God may be slightly different to Catholics and Protestants. My point is that God put those in place to show that he, himself, is the perfect man. He doesn't control us; we control ourselves. He only guides us in the way in whic we conduct ourselves, and will place us in either heaven or hell.

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- God created everything.

Why did God create a hell? If everybody is forgiven in the end, was there any need for it?

 

If you listen in church it is simple. The devil was a fallen angel so to speak. He created Hell to put the devil, and all that sinned there for eternity. Although the devil has left Hell before and tried to convert Jesus, he failed. So why did God let the devil leave Hell to convert his son?

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so did ANY of you guys watch the video I posted?

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Typhus
so did ANY of you guys watch the video I posted?

No. What was the general point of it?

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so did ANY of you guys watch the video I posted?

Word of advice, posting a video without any comment attaches to it is not only going to make people not watch it, but is also considered spam.

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so did ANY of you guys watch the video I posted?

Whoa, Zeitgeist! We've NEVER heard of that.. sarcasm.gif

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Vercetti21

 

- God created everything.

Why did God create a hell? If everybody is forgiven in the end, was there any need for it?

 

If you listen in church it is simple. The devil was a fallen angel so to speak. He created Hell to put the devil, and all that sinned there for eternity. Although the devil has left Hell before and tried to convert Jesus, he failed. So why did God let the devil leave Hell to convert his son?

To make an example of Jesus. He didn't allow Satan to convert his son, he allowed Satan to tempt his son into conversion. However, Jesus did not give in to that temptation, because Jesus is perfect, like God. God knew that. Every Christian's goal should be to be just like Jesus, correct? So by Jesus' refusal of Satan's temptations, it is more of an example of what true Christians should do.

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so did ANY of you guys watch the video I posted?

That's the second topic I've seen you do that in. Stop bitching and, like Svip said, post a comment with it next time. icon14.gif

 

@Svip: Wouldn't telling someone off without providing anything to the conversation at hand also be classified as spam?

 

@Vercetti: Exactly. Not anyone on earth is perfect, except for God and Jesus. God created these little 'obstacles' to test us to see whether we are worthy to enter into either heaven or hell. If we give into various temptations, then, we 'fail the test' and end up going to hell. However, if we accept the fact that we failed, and confess it in church or prayer, than God will forgive us and let us back into heaven.

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Typhus
Not anyone on earth is perfect, except for God and Jesus.

But God disobeys his own rules, he murders and admits to jealousy and is exceptionally cruel to Job. Jesus Christ himself preached against hypocrisy yet God the Father cannot stick to what he tells his people. He has double standards.

I really don't think that he can be perfect. As perfection is an unattainable ideal. To be perfect you must please everybody at once. This cannot happen. As whilst God sets the benchmark for love and forgiveness he is also our judge. And he decides if we enter Heaven or go to Hell. He cannot be all-forgiving and all-just because the two are not compatible.

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Blind Joe Death
God created these little 'obstacles' to test us to see whether we are worthy to enter into either heaven or hell.

Yeah, like how he planted dinosaur bones which date back way before he created the earth to test out faith, and how he dropped weed f*cking everywhere to test our faith also. sarcasm.gif

 

Oh and I'm not a Christian (as you can tell) so according to you guys I'll be burning in the firey pits of hell for eternity. Sounds like fun, can't wait.

 

 

And just one question, do Christians believe people like Muslims who are born into their religion without a choice burn in hell for eternity? Because if so then that's even more of a reason for me to hate Christianity.

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Typhus

 

Oh and I'm not a Christian (as you can tell) so according to you guys I'll be burning in the firey pits of hell for eternity. Sounds like fun, can't wait.

God gave us free will.

Atheists, through their disbelief, exercise that free will.

Doing so does not negate every good deed you perform.

Therefore you cannot be punished for your lack of belief.

Meaning that people who claim that you will "burn in hell" are just cranks. Extremists. Loud mouths.

Don't judge us all and don't keep being hostile. Lighten up.

 

 

And just one question, do Christians believe people like Muslims who are born into their religion without a choice burn in Hell for eternity? Because if so then that's even more of a reason for me to hate Christianity.

 

Why would they burn? God has many names, many prophets and many nations over which to work. Is the faith of a Jew any less than that of a Christian? Because you are a Christian are you then closer to God than a Muslim? We can add whatever name we want to what we believe in. We can come up with symbols and books and fancy little buildings to "keep" God in.

But the truth is that the world is too big. Just too, too big to label everyone else as wrong. And certainly too big to condemn others to Hell. Only God can do that. Again, it's all about free will. It was Gods will to give us freedom of thought and that freedom means that few people ever think "Oh, I'm a Muslim, I've dedicated my life to evil and will go about killing babies and drinking the blood of unwed goats!"

No. Everybody acts according to their conscience. You believe you are right and I believe that I am right. I tell you, this freedom has turned all of humanity into a minefield. And we cannot be punished for taking a step we had no idea was wrong.

May I ask you a question?

Why are you so determined to hate us?

Edited by Typhus

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Reimer.

 

You can donate all of your money to charity, but you will still go to Hell if you do not believe in Jesus as our savior.

 

 

God didn't give me the ability to "believe in Jesus as our savior."

 

I have a very objective, reasonable mind and have since I was young. I simply can't accept Jesus as our ultimate savior based on what I've learned about Christianity thus far. Sometimes I've wished I could be that naive and deluded. I guess I just don't have that luxury and therefore I'm doomed to burn in hell for all eternity.

 

Hmm... Yeah, I'll gladly take the pain and suffering of hell to bending to the whims of such a cruel and seemingly careless deity.

 

Obviously, I'm an atheist and don't buy into anything about any religion in existence today or in the past. I'm quite certain that I'm not going to burn in hell, and I'm not going to have eternal euphoria in heaven. Why? Because, no matter what happens when we pass on, I know no human being in the history of the world ever got it just right.

 

Sorry, this is just a general post really because I didn't feel up to reading the entire topic... I'll probably be more open to discussion once I catch up.

 

 

 

God gave us free will.

Atheists, through their disbelief, exercise that free will.

Doing so does not negate every good deed you perform.

Therefore you cannot be punished for your lack of belief.

Meaning that people who claim that you will "burn in hell" are just cranks. Extremists. Loud mouths.

Don't judge us all and don't keep being hostile. Lighten up.

 

In my mind, you have it right. Evolution NEEDS to evolve with society or it becomes myth. Christianity is beautiful and admirable for what it is... but it's been so dilluted and twisted from its original ideal. There's nothing I respect more than conviction and strength, and noone in their right mind can really say forgiveness and love are a blight.

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Typhus

Why is nothing I say ever good enough to convince you that not all Christians are barbaric, homicidal maniacs?

I feel like I'm spitting at the wind here.

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Well, actually I was just editing my post when you posted. Also; nothing you ever say will ever be good enough for everybody. We all have the same problems... I've dealt with people hating "my kind" as much as you have. I grew up in the conservative midwest for f*ck's sake.

 

And for the record I say "f*ck" a lot... don't mean to sound hostile.

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Vercetti21
You can donate all of your money to charity, but you will still go to Hell if you do not believe in Jesus as our savior.

 

 

God didn't give me the ability to "believe in Jesus as our savior."

According to Christianity, and the common sense which you claim to so admirably posses, you have free will. God doesn't restrict certain people from believing what they want to believe, he gives them choice. You choose not to believe in God or a higher being. That has nothing to do with your abilities at all.

 

At any rate, I agree with most of Typhus' views. Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are all based from the teachings of Abraham. They all worship the same god, but call him by a different name. I think you have access to Heaven so long as you worship that god, but the way each religion has been twisted around to say completely different things is a flaw by humanity. And think about it: Islam is divided by Sunnis and Shiites, and Christianity is divided by Catholics and Protestants. I wouldn't go so far as to say that all Catholics are going to Heaven and all Protestants are going to Hell, because that's ridiculous. They worship the same god, and both groups even call him God.

 

Belief in a higher being can only go so far, and I believe that is what ultimately decides if a man goes to Heaven or Hell in the next life. Every other little nitpicking, irrelevant detail of religion are left for humanity to decide/argue.

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Prince Drac

80 percent of the people posting in here dont know what the hell theyre talking about and are interpreting religious teachings wrong.

 

Even I am not religious and I can't reject the idea of perfection in the ultimate being it God or some other type of supreme being.

 

To the guy who asks about atheist rejecting God and excercising their will. First off, an atheist is more than just someone who doesn't believe in God. It's someone who rejects everything that life stands for. Life means nothing and there is no reason to live, that is a true atheist. You're thinking of a human existentialist. Someone who raises the human mind to a higher level than one "ultimate being." Which is what a majority of today's population base their philosophies on, because it appeals to their feelings more than logic. In any case, there is nothing in the traditional teachings that say if you don't believe in God while you are alive that you will be sent to hell. There is however something called Occam's Razor (look it up). It was a debate on if someone who didn't believe in God died, there is a final decision for them to reject the perfect being or to accept him and ascend to heaven, which is the state of union with the perfect being. Aquinas says that even if you didn't believe in God during your life, when you die, you can't reject the existance of the perfect being. But of course to understand this, you would have to understand Aristotle's description of the human soul.

 

Second note: Perfection does not mean pleasing people, because if that was the case, it means you are appealing to emotion. Emotion=illogical but still a part of life. Acting out of emotion means acting without reason, makes no sense, and does not take into account everyone else. Just yourself. In other words, selfish. Thats what "for the greater good" means.

 

Third, NONE OF THE RELIGIOnS ARE FIGHTING OVER GOD. They're fighting over Jesus and whether or not he is God's son and our saviour. Christians say yes, Jews acknowledge the existance of Jesus but only consider him a prophet and nothing more, same with Muslims. It has nothing to do with they fighting over God because the idea of God is universal. It is the same for all who believe in a God.Take away the word and just focus on the defition.

 

To those who are bashing on those claiming you'll burn in hell if you don't believe in God, you're assuming that these people are interpreting the teachings correctly. Not all religious people are like this. You are all basing your ideas of religious people by the modern teachings. Read books by Pieper and Aquinas and you will see a big difference between the tradtional teachings to what is being taught to each religion today.

 

All this coming from someone who isn't even religious, because I simply can't commit myself to religion. But why would I back up religious teachings, because if you really do have an objective mind, one that uses reason, you will see these teachings can't be rejected. You can choose not to believe in it but that doesn't make it any less true.

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Otter

Way to summarily dismiss everyone. icon14.gif I can play that game too, in far fewer words.

 

Fact is, religion is the oldest running scam, and to pay it any creedence is folly. There is no god. There is no 'perfect being' or 'creator of the universe.' These are fairy tales, goofy, spooky magic invented to keep the sheep in line.

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Prince Drac, atheism and existentialism aren't the same thing. They often go hand-in-hand, but they're not synonymous. As an avid student of both, I can tell you that existentialism doesn't concern itself with raising the human mind to a higher level than any abstract concept or belief system, because it teaches that there simply isn't a higher level to raise it to. In fact, there aren't any levels at all. It's just a matter of realising (believing/hoping/wishing/whatever) that there is only one plane of existence, and it's here, and we are all that there is. Existentialism doesn't seek to disprove the concept of an ultimate being, it just rejects the idea out of hand, as if it were such a given that it's not worth considering. Atheism, on the other hand, I view almost as a religion in itself, in that it actively lends its awareness to the idea of a god or gods, albeit in terms of denial.

 

 

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Reimer.

 

80 percent of the people posting in here dont know what the hell theyre talking about and are interpreting religious teachings wrong.

 

Even I am not religious and I can't reject the idea of perfection in the ultimate being it God or some other type of supreme being.

 

To the guy who asks about atheist rejecting God and excercising their will. First off, an atheist is more than just someone who doesn't believe in God. It's someone who rejects everything that life stands for. Life means nothing and there is no reason to live, that is a true atheist. You're thinking of a human existentialist. Someone who raises the human mind to a higher level than one "ultimate being." Which is what a majority of today's population base their philosophies on, because it appeals to their feelings more than logic. In any case, there is nothing in the traditional teachings that say if you don't believe in God while you are alive that you will be sent to hell. There is however something called Occam's Razor (look it up). It was a debate on if someone who didn't believe in God died, there is a final decision for them to reject the perfect being or to accept him and ascend to heaven, which is the state of union with the perfect being. Aquinas says that even if you didn't believe in God during your life, when you die, you can't reject the existance of the perfect being. But of course to understand this, you would have to understand Aristotle's description of the human soul.

 

Second note: Perfection does not mean pleasing people, because if that was the case, it means you are appealing to emotion. Emotion=illogical but still a part of life. Acting out of emotion means acting without reason, makes no sense, and does not take into account everyone else. Just yourself. In other words, selfish. Thats what "for the greater good" means.

 

Third, NONE OF THE RELIGIOnS ARE FIGHTING OVER GOD. They're fighting over Jesus and whether or not he is God's son and our saviour. Christians say yes, Jews acknowledge the existance of Jesus but only consider him a prophet and nothing more, same with Muslims. It has nothing to do with they fighting over God because the idea of God is universal. It is the same for all who believe in a God.Take away the word and just focus on the defition.

 

To those who are bashing on those claiming you'll  burn in hell if you don't believe in God, you're assuming that these people are interpreting the teachings correctly. Not all religious people are like this. You are all basing your ideas of religious people by the modern teachings. Read books by Pieper and Aquinas and you will see a big difference between the tradtional teachings to what is being taught to each religion today.

 

All this coming from someone who isn't even religious, because I simply can't commit myself to religion. But why would I back up religious teachings, because if you really do have an objective mind, one that uses reason, you will see these teachings can't be rejected. You can choose not to believe in it but that doesn't make it any less true.

Atheists reject "everything that life stands for"? Do you even know what that means? What, exactly, does life stand for and what, exactly, are the atheists rejecting?

 

Stop throwing all this senseless regurgitated crap at me for a minute and make your point. The fact that Aristotle has a "description for the human soul" doesn't mean anything to me and ... I don't even know, most of your post is irrelevant to the topic. You're speculating on everything.

 

A reasonable mind can't understand understand religion because there is very little to no proof of any of it.

 

You can choose not to believe that we're all frosted snack cakes living in a matrix like dream world but that doesn't make it any less true. mercie_blink.gif

 

@athiesm/existentialism: Now you're just talking semantics, hopefully you basically know what I mean from the context of my posts... I'm not going to break out Weber. I will ask how acknowledging the idea of God makes a difference whatsoever? I acknowledge that Hitler's ideas were crazy... Does that put me in a different "category"?

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Prince Drac

 

Prince Drac, atheism and existentialism aren't the same thing. They often go hand-in-hand, but they're not synonymous. As an avid student of both, I can tell you that existentialism doesn't concern itself with raising the human mind to a higher level than any abstract concept or belief system, because it teaches that there simply isn't a higher level to raise it to. In fact, there aren't any levels at all. It's just a matter of realising (believing/hoping/wishing/whatever) that there is only one plane of existence, and it's here, and we are all that there is. Existentialism doesn't seek to disprove the concept of an ultimate being, it just rejects the idea out of hand, as if it were such a given that it's not worth considering. Atheism, on the other hand, I view almost as a religion in itself, in that it actively lends its awareness to the idea of a god or gods, albeit in terms of denial.

I never said they were the same thing. I said they are different things. I even listed what the difference was. I know what you are saying but you're not understanding what I'm saying. There is no higher level because existentialist hold themselves to the highest level. This is what I mean, human existentialists would say that something exists because their mind wants it to exist. Someone who isn't an existentialist would say an item exists because it is there in its truest form. It is not there because we want it to be there. Which is what you're saying (wishing/wanting/believeing/etc) Things only exist because you want it to. That is what I meant by holding the human mind to the highest degree. The human mind is the creator to existentialist. But it is still appealing to emotion. Aquinas has proven many of their points to be wrong.

 

@Reinmar. Go break out the Weber and I'll break out scholastic journals on the subject. There is a big difference between Atheism and Existentialism.

 

What they are rejecting is that life is meaningless to them. They can suicide and it means nothing. An example being Nietzchean ideas where he states God is dead. There is no need for a choice to believe in God or not because he is dead. He is a genius for making this statement because he is not saying God doesn't exist but God is already dead so life is pointless. Existentialist wouldn't say life is pointless but would rather view life as a creation of our own mind.

Descartes was one who held the human mind to the highest degree stating things exist because we want them to. But he never rejected the fact that a supreme being may exist.

 

This part of religion is up to you whether you want to believe it or not, but Catholics say when you die, the idea is you ascend to heaven. Heaven is the union between your soul and the perfect being. It is not a paradise for you to live in which is a common view of heaven. You're saying you have a choice to believe in God or not. Yes you have your choice in Earth. Occam's Razor is a debate on whether or not you have the choice to reject God when you are dead on your way to be in union. The only reason why I stated Aristotle's description of the human soul is because in order for you to understand Occam's Razor, you need to know about Aristotle's human soul description because that is who Aquinas based all his works on, seeing how Aristotle is the "father of logic."

 

There is very little to no proof on religion? Go read more.

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Otter

Scripture isn't proof, my friend.

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Typhus

 

Fact is, religion is the oldest running scam, and to pay it any creedence is folly.  There is no God.  There is no 'perfect being' or 'creator of the universe.'  These are fairy tales, goofy, spooky magic invented to keep the sheep in line.

This is getting very boring very quickly.

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Fact is, religion is the oldest running scam, and to pay it any creedence is folly.  There is no God.  There is no 'perfect being' or 'creator of the universe.'  These are fairy tales, goofy, spooky magic invented to keep the sheep in line.

This is getting very boring very quickly.

Tell me about it.

 

Why are there not, say, two gods? Or four? Or perhaps the inverse - what if WE are god? Where's the proof, people? Where's any shred of evidence, beyond spotty articles of faith written by slaves, peasants, opportunists, and dictators of eras long past?

 

I can not see how, today, we can call ourselves enlightened, yet cling to mythology to cope with the grim nature of reality. It's pathetic, really.

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Yes. Let's kill all religious people. That will solve all the worlds problems. It's the perfect plan!1

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