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Why Aussies are defending the censored version.


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I've noticed that topics discussing the censored version appear to be crowded with Aussies defending it. I thought I'd discuss it here because it appears to be confusing the subject. In my opinion:

 

1. It's a natural instinct for many people to defend something because it is what they have, rather than to use logic or reason (take 360 v ps3 as a good example). This will be particularly true if the discussion is interpreted as an insult, i.e. Why did you buy that gimped kiddy version of GTA?

 

So why would anyone buy it in the first place? They possibly couldn't be bothered ordering from overseas, didn't know it would be censored, or are too young to have a credit card (and therefore probably too young to legally buy an uncensored copy even if it were for sale here). Either that or they genuinely enjoy the government deciding for them what they should or shouldn't watch/play.

 

2. Beleive it or not Australia, like the US, is traditionally conservative when it comes to sex (well compared to most of Europe). That coupled with the fact that many playing GTA here (due to it's M15+ rating here) are pimply faced, school kids who are still whacking off to their mum's copy of Women's Weekly (Australian gossip mag), explains why most attempts to discuss the censored sexual content in GTA end with a flood of posts saying 'why would you want to see Niko getting a blowjob. You must be sick'.

 

Rockstar, you have royally screwed us Aussies. Not just by trying to pass of an edited version of the game on us. No matter how 'minor' the changes are, if it was the best version then you would have made it originally that way, especially as it would have considerably increased your market. No, you've set back the fight here for an R18+ rating. Why should the government bother if game makers are prepared to compromise themselves and edit their art.

 

I was looking forward to GTA IV being banned here. Then people would have really kicked up a stink and kicked the governments arse into gear.

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If the PC version of GTA:IV is censored still i am going any of these three things to get the uncensored version:

 

1: Download the game (Legally, hmm HMm)- Ashamed to say it but i would rather not give any more money to the bloated inflation here, ill get it off Direct Download.

2: Order the game from overseas- That way i get a retail box which i love and have the game in my hands

3: Not play the game- Study might take over dontgetit.gif

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If the PC version of GTA:IV is censored still i am going any of these three things to get the uncensored version:

 

1: Download the game (Legally, hmm HMm)- Ashamed to say it but i would rather not give any more money to the bloated inflation here, ill get it off Direct Download.

2: Order the game from overseas- That way i get a retail box which i love and have the game in my hands

3: Not play the game- Study might take over  dontgetit.gif

Uh.. Aren't all PC versions "cut"?

From memory, Australia got the same PC version as the US and rest of the world. It checks your bios.

 

So downloaded, imported, or bought locally - you'll have the cut version. So just buy it locally and tweak your bios.

Well, downloading still works if you do that regardless of the game.

 

I bought locally. Why? Because I wanted the game a week early.

I imported another copy, for the sake of comparing a few things.

 

I see it a waste of time and money to buy off the internet.. Don't know about you other kids. tounge.gif

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Uh.. Aren't all PC versions "cut"?

 

No, in countries that support a higher rating, the game is awarded with the appropriate rating. Australia is one of the few countries without an R18+ rating for games and therefore requires editing.

 

 

From memory, Australia got the same PC version as the US and rest of the world. It checks your bios.

 

Huh? A computers BIOS does not contain region information ... sorry on this one. The only way to "region" a computer is via the region settings in the OS (timezones continue above and below the equator, so they cant be relied on) ... so a "cut" (code censored) version can be sold in Australia, but I daresay many will chose the more illegal method of obtaining it. DVD drives can be region locked, and that is in their own firmware (note, not a bios) however region unlocking a DVD drive is one of the easiest "hacks" to perform on a computer.

 

 

So downloaded, imported, or bought locally - you'll have the cut version. So just buy it locally and tweak your bios.

Well, downloading still works if you do that regardless of the game.

 

How do you tweak region information in the BIOS? ... a BIOS doesnt contain any region information at all ... ever ... period. BIOS are pretty much as the name suggests, Basic Input Output System, it contains the low level code required to initialise the system and get it operational, and interface the RTC (real time clock) again relying on the RTC is useless for region coding as timezones are above and below the equator and cover many countries.

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GTA3Freak-2001

Wait how is it Rockstar that's screwing us? Its not their fault our government won't allow an R18+ rating for games, they did us a favor by pre-editing the game by their standards so that we'd get the game on time. I don't think anyone is defending the censorship, rather just accepting it because the changes are minor.

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I sure as hell wouldn't have been looking forward to it getting banned.

 

The changes are extremely minor. Yes we should have had the original, but since it doesn't affect anything vital, I could care less. Drinking, strip club, violence, prostitutes are all still apart of it.

 

Also R* didn't screw us at all. If it wasn't for them adapting GTA IV to suit our tight classification board, it would've been delayed further.

 

 

If anyone is to blame, it's our government. Not R*.

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To the OP.

 

I indeed agree with you mate. Why is it that most people are indeed DEFENDING their EDITED versions?

Saying its better and what not.

There are quite a few differences that i've noticed. Since i bought my SE in NZ and imported a copy of the game from Playasia.

 

I'd ALWAYS rather play the uncut version of ANY game.

Most people say its just a cut scene (that doesnt exist) and hookers, "so who cares"

Most people miss the point. I wouldnt care whats been cut, all i know is that my version is different, I'd question everything about the game....... wonderin if i had the uncut version, would things look different, would the language be different etc etc etc

 

I'd rather have peace of mind and play a version that the rest of the world is playing. I think we'd have ALOT more people bitchin if the tables were turned.

 

Also, WHY NOT import? It's costing me less, GTA IV UNCUT =100NZD GTA IV EDITED =120NZD. So why not import a FULL version for less?

 

I dont blame Rockstar for submitted the edited version tho, they after all are trying to hit the sales records.. they knew they cant do it without Australia.

 

It also really, extremely pisses me off when this little kiddies play the game then hop on here and complain about the language, violence and sex. For f*cks sake you little turds, ITS NOT FOR YOU!

This is NOT a family game like Mario brothers.

 

I bet most of those kids got told off by their parents after seeing what was in the game.

 

Also, SHAME ON YOU PARENTS. If i had a kid, I'd never let them play this game.

 

f*ck CENSORSHIP! FREEDOM IS THE WAY.

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Uh.. Aren't all PC versions "cut"?

 

No, in countries that support a higher rating, the game is awarded with the appropriate rating. Australia is one of the few countries without an R18+ rating for games and therefore requires editing.

 

 

From memory, Australia got the same PC version as the US and rest of the world. It checks your bios.

 

Huh? A computers BIOS does not contain region information ... sorry on this one. The only way to "region" a computer is via the region settings in the OS (timezones continue above and below the equator, so they cant be relied on) ... so a "cut" (code censored) version can be sold in Australia, but I daresay many will chose the more illegal method of obtaining it. DVD drives can be region locked, and that is in their own firmware (note, not a bios) however region unlocking a DVD drive is one of the easiest "hacks" to perform on a computer.

 

 

So downloaded, imported, or bought locally - you'll have the cut version. So just buy it locally and tweak your bios.

Well, downloading still works if you do that regardless of the game.

 

How do you tweak region information in the BIOS? ... a BIOS doesnt contain any region information at all ... ever ... period. BIOS are pretty much as the name suggests, Basic Input Output System, it contains the low level code required to initialise the system and get it operational, and interface the RTC (real time clock) again relying on the RTC is useless for region coding as timezones are above and below the equator and cover many countries.

I don't know.. It was only what I heard, hence the "From memory".

 

I always uncensored mine by downloading a cracked .exe - or just download a friend's who has the US version. Works like a charm.

 

And quoting first part of my post and then replying to that is no good, as my posts are a whole - not a point by point system.

You honestly think that I did not know;?

 

 

countries that support a higher rating, the game is awarded with the appropriate rating. Australia is one of the few countries without an R18+ rating for games and therefore requires editing.
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MindCorrupt

 

I dont really care. It would of been sh*t if the game was banned, because then I wouldnt be able to play it at the moment. Who honestly really cares if you cant see some sh*thouse pixelated sex scene, if I wanted to watch porn i'd just go to a porn site or fork out 10 bucks and get a porno out.

 

Rockstar didnt screw anyone man. They got a quality game to us on time..

 

 

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GTA3Freak-2001

Why not import you say? Yeah that may be an option for some but for people who had already ordered and paid off the game it was more of a hassle to import.

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I don't get it, what exactly did they censor?

I haven't played the un-censored version so I wouldn't know...

 

Unless I got my hands on an un-censored version and I don't know because I haven't noticed...

But yeah, I would of been happy if they banned it, the Government would of got MILLIONS of letters complaining tounge.gif

 

And yeah, if the PC version is cut, I'll be 'acquiring' it by other means smile.gif

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Why not import you say? Yeah that may be an option for some but for people who had already ordered and paid off the game it was more of a hassle to import.

Yeah i understand that.. most Australians who had ordered their UNCUT version from NZ basically moved their orders to playasia. Im just saying its costing less for those people. Also there was no way i was gonna cancel my special edition order, so I just kept that one and imported another one.

i agree that for some people it'd be a hassle tho everyone i know cancelled their pre-order in NZ and ordered from playasia. Total savings from all of us was in the hundreds. So yeah. Beer money lol.

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I was going to import another copy, you know keep the SE stuff and trade the game in for credit to be used for the import copy. Because the changes are only minor I am not going to bother.

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The only thing I've noticed that's been edited is the hooker animation. And I only do that for sh*ts and giggles anyway.

 

I'm not saying the censored version is better. If I had a black and white choice between getting a censored or an uncensored version, sure, I'd take the uncensored. But it's hardly worth importing for. I guess your question depends on your definition of "defending". I'm defending my choice to not go out of my way to import, but I'm not promoting the censored version as better than the original.

 

As for the PC versions: Historically (and I mean with III/VC/SA), the game reads your regional settings before determining whether or not to censor certain features. Meaning it's easy enough to go through Control Panel and change your location to the US to get the "original" content.

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The only thing I've noticed that's been edited is the hooker animation. And I only do that for sh*ts and giggles anyway.

 

I'm not saying the censored version is better. If I had a black and white choice between getting a censored or an uncensored version, sure, I'd take the uncensored. But it's hardly worth importing for. I guess your question depends on your definition of "defending". I'm defending my choice to not go out of my way to import, but I'm not promoting the censored version as better than the original.

 

As for the PC versions: Historically (and I mean with III/VC/SA), the game reads your regional settings before determining whether or not to censor certain features. Meaning it's easy enough to go through Control Panel and change your location to the US to get the "original" content.

I agree with everything there.

 

And yeah, I knew it was something along those lines.

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I have stated my case and position on this so many

times I feel like my eyes are going to bleed.

The fact that Australians openly accept censorship makes me

sick and ashamed to call myself an Australian.

Lets just make ourselfs look more like a nation of idiots and bogans, morons.

 

I will however post one quote, and after that I am done with this thread.

 

"When liberty is taken away by force it can be restored by force. When it is relinquished voluntarily by default it can never be recovered." - Dorothy Thompson

 

Wake up Australia.

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I can understand that some people genuinely will not care about whatever material has been cut, and for them there really is no negative here.

 

But here's my view:

 

I love good movies and games, and when I watch a good movie, I want to experience it in its full, the way it's creator intended.

 

I don't want scenes, sexual, violent or otherwise, cut from it because the government thinks it can decide better than me what is or is not suitable for me to see (obviously applies only to those over 18).

 

There are an unusual amount of complaints againsts the sexual content in this game. For those who don't know, this game is for adults. If you are prudish about sexual material, this game probably isn't for you.

 

Do these people complaining fast forward through sex scenes when they watch a movie? Would they suggest that (insert favourite director's name here) remove a sex scene or other from their favourite movie?

 

Beleive it or not, not all of us who want to enjoy this game as it was intended are sexual deviants. (Only some of us biggrin.gif )

 

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I have stated my case and position on this so many

times I feel like my eyes are going to bleed.

The fact that Australians openly accept censorship makes me

sick and ashamed to call myself an Australian.

Lets just make ourselfs look more like a nation of idiots and bogans, morons.

 

I will however post one quote, and after that I am done with this thread.

 

"When liberty is taken away by force it can be restored by force. When it is relinquished voluntarily by default it can never be recovered." - Dorothy Thompson

 

Wake up Australia.

Go out of my way for something that won't affect anything?

Buying in Australia or importing, it doesn't make the Government any more or any less money.

 

Importing costs me my time and money, I rather drive down to the shop and buy the game.

Hand over cash and receive the game there and then.

 

Call me old fashioned, but I prefer it that way for games that are only missing a prostitute - or the service she offers.

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Why not import you say? Yeah that may be an option for some but for people who had already ordered and paid off the game it was more of a hassle to import.

You could get your money back, depending on where you ordered....

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Buying in Australia or importing, it doesn't make the Government any more or any less money.

 

 

Not exactly true. The economy is a complex machine.

Too cool for school? Maybe that's the problem.

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Telimaktar

Something I've been wondering and I hope that someone could answer.

 

If you in Australia and import the uncensored version would you get into trouble if the authorities find or would they assume you are of a legal age to have the game because you could order it from overseas?

 

Sorry if this question is stupid I just don't know what the laws are there.

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Importing material into Australia which is considered 'offensive or unsuitable' can incurr serious fines and jail time.

 

At the moment content in unrated video games (like unrated GTAIV) would fall into this category, alongside voilent pornographic material best not discussed in detail.

 

In reality, until sniffer dogs can be trained to smell unrated games, customs are unlikely to be interested in your package, and even so I would expect you would get nothing more than a letter saying your item had been seized.

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Telimaktar

Thanks for the reply Marbs.

 

Fortunately don't have that problem here is SA but if I did I would throw a fit. No-one should have the right to tell us what is good or bad, okay they can tell us but it should be up to us to decide. But I guess it's like farting against thunder.

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Besides being uncensored importing the game into Australia is a hell of a lot cheaper than buying here.

More than enough reason for me to outweigh getting it a few days earlier.

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I have stated my case and position on this so many

times I feel like my eyes are going to bleed.

The fact that Australians openly accept censorship makes me

sick and ashamed to call myself an Australian.

Lets just make ourselfs look more like a nation of idiots and bogans, morons.

 

I will however post one quote, and after that I am done with this thread.

 

"When liberty is taken away by force it can be restored by force. When it is relinquished voluntarily by default it can never be recovered." - Dorothy Thompson

 

Wake up Australia.

*Cries in agreement*

 

But hey, we're under new government (Screw you John), now Kevin might allow us to get a new Gaming Classification system smile.gif

And I'm sure while John was banning Virtual sec and explicit content, he was screwing his wife and fapping off to some sh*t on the net...

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I have stated my case and position on this so many

times I feel like my eyes are going to bleed.

The fact that Australians openly accept censorship makes me

sick and ashamed to call myself an Australian.

Lets just make ourselfs look more like a nation of idiots and bogans, morons.

 

I will however post one quote, and after that I am done with this thread.

 

"When liberty is taken away by force it can be restored by force. When it is relinquished voluntarily by default it can never be recovered." - Dorothy Thompson

 

Wake up Australia.

*Cries in agreement*

 

But hey, we're under new government (Screw you John), now Kevin might allow us to get a new Gaming Classification system smile.gif

And I'm sure while John was banning Virtual sec and explicit content, he was screwing his wife and fapping off to some sh*t on the net...

You talking about the same K Rudd that just taxed the buggery out of grog? devil.gifdevil.gifdevil.gifdevil.gifdevil.gifdevil.gif

 

 

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