R* Removed So Much Stuff

[Psych]

I mean....Even saints row had more activities to do it seems. With insurance fraud an all, it seemed more worthit in that game which is just an embarrassment.

[chitoryu12]

Dude, this is what happens to successful franchises after about the 3rd game in the series, sometimes it takes more sequels, and sometimes less, but at some point the people who are funding the game are going to start coasting on popularity at the expense of fun.

 

Don't get me wrong, this game is very good, but it ain't no 10/10 like all the mags are claiming...

No actually, I think it is the exact opposite frankly. R* is continuing to deliver quality products as the series go on, and the have worked harder on gta 4 than any other previous titles. And it shows.

Ah, the good ol' 'less is more' argument.

 

It makes one wonder:

 

1. Why those elements ever appeared in a GTA game in the first place

 

2. If all the fanboys here saying some/all of those features were sh*te were saying that when SA came out...

 

 

Hmmm....

 

Again, GTA IV is a good game... great even, but it's not a 10/10. There's something fishy there despite all the fanboys saying that R* are gods.

It's not a "less is more" arguement. Rockstar poured more effort into this game than any other in the series, but they put it into different places. They spent the effort that they could have used on making the geography even bigger and adding even more pointless minigames into making a truely living and unique city with excellent graphics and a compelling plotline. If GTA kept going the way it did with San Andreas, graphics would still be sh*t, you would have twice as many minigames, the physics out of your car would be nonexistant, and you would be playing in an even bigger state with more expanses of wasteland.

[doober]

The thing these "open ended" (GTA, Morrowind, Oblivion, etc) games always seem to lack is compelling things to do after main plot completion. SA came close, but even after buying all the properties, passing all the driving tests, races, etc... there was little else to do but drive.

 

Now if a company made some repeatable missions with some random variables and temporary rewards, that would be sweet.

[Psych]

It isn't a living city!!!!!

 

It's the same as other GTA's with better graphics and more realistic civilians! It's expected for that this to be evident for a Next-Gen title.

 

You can only enter about 5% of the buildings in the map!!! How is that a realistic living city??? It's basically the same as the other GTA's with better graphics.

[wayninja]

It's not a "less is more" arguement. Rockstar poured more effort into this game than any other in the series, but they put it into different places. They spent the effort that they could have used on making the geography even bigger and adding even more pointless minigames into making a truely living and unique city with excellent graphics and a compelling plotline. If GTA kept going the way it did with San Andreas, graphics would still be sh*t, you would have twice as many minigames, the physics out of your car would be nonexistant, and you would be playing in an even bigger state with more expanses of wasteland.

Right... because graphics and 'extras' are mutually exclusive...

 

I'm sick of hearing about this fantastically unique world... get over it already. A fantastic AI does not mean the game is fun. I get plenty of real life in...well... real life. When I play a video game I'm looking for a little hyperbole.

 

And sorry, some of the detail they spent all their effort on, while nice, does not make up for a lack of things to do.

 

Graphics have got to be one of the lowest criteria for a fun game IMO.

[Hodgey.]

It's not a "less is more" arguement. Rockstar poured more effort into this game than any other in the series, but they put it into different places. They spent the effort that they could have used on making the geography even bigger and adding even more pointless minigames into making a truely living and unique city with excellent graphics and a compelling plotline. If GTA kept going the way it did with San Andreas, graphics would still be sh*t, you would have twice as many minigames, the physics out of your car would be nonexistant, and you would be playing in an even bigger state with more expanses of wasteland.

Right... because graphics and 'extras' are mutually exclusive...

 

I'm sick of hearing about this fantastically unique world... get over it already. A fantastic AI does not mean the game is fun. I get plenty of real life in...well... real life. When I play a video game I'm looking for a little hyperbole.

 

And sorry, some of the detail they spent all their effort on, while nice, does not make up for a lack of things to do.

 

Graphics have got to be one of the lowest criteria for a fun game IMO.

Well sh*t you should of read what R* said before buyin the game then shouldnt you, you douche.

[SouleRonin]

 

No sh*t it's my opinon, thanks for confirming.

 

You can rationalize taking things out all you want and to me it's fine if R* wanted to take stuff out because they didnt' jive with the vibe or whatever, but the problem is, they didn't really replace them with anything.

 

Oh, sure, the graphics and rag-doll physics are nice, much better than SA, but that's about it. Other than little details you see once in a blue moon, there's not much more going for this game over SA. Are you saying the story for SA wasn't good? I thought it was. CJ and CRASH were awesome IMHO.

 

I'm not playing the game for the story, if I want a great story, I'll read a book. A good story is a bonus, but not the primary reason I'm playing/replaying.

 

As for multiplayer, I was an idiot and bought a 360 not realizing that you had to pay monthy fees for the priveledge of playing online, and that pisses me off... oh well.

 

As Niko would say,

 

"Please to get sand out of your [email protected]"

 

 

The beauty of video games is that there are so few kidnappers who force you to play the ones you don't like...

 

 

Soule RONIN

[doober]

Well sh*t you should of read what R* said before buyin the game then shouldnt you, you douche.

You guys want to meet by the tree and slug it out after schools out?

[wayninja]

It's not a "less is more" arguement. Rockstar poured more effort into this game than any other in the series, but they put it into different places. They spent the effort that they could have used on making the geography even bigger and adding even more pointless minigames into making a truely living and unique city with excellent graphics and a compelling plotline. If GTA kept going the way it did with San Andreas, graphics would still be sh*t, you would have twice as many minigames, the physics out of your car would be nonexistant, and you would be playing in an even bigger state with more expanses of wasteland.

Right... because graphics and 'extras' are mutually exclusive...

 

I'm sick of hearing about this fantastically unique world... get over it already. A fantastic AI does not mean the game is fun. I get plenty of real life in...well... real life. When I play a video game I'm looking for a little hyperbole.

 

And sorry, some of the detail they spent all their effort on, while nice, does not make up for a lack of things to do.

 

Graphics have got to be one of the lowest criteria for a fun game IMO.

Well sh*t you should of read what R* said before buyin the game then shouldnt you, you douche.

You are a f*cking retard. Why would I not buy a 9.0 game just because the reviewer gave it a 10?

 

That doesn't make my criticism any less valid ass clown.

[unoleian]

I don't get it. Rockstar delivered exactly what they promised, and they delivered it almost perfectly. If I was to level ANY complaint of something not being delivered on, it would be the promised refined hand-to-hand combat, which I feel only improved in the ability of a random pedestrian to kick your ass.

 

Frankly, I'm happy they distilled the game back down to its essentials and dropped all the crap from San Andreas.

The eating and exercise systems were a simple distraction, the effects on actual gameplay were minimal.

The skill system just made it arbitrarily hard early on, and insanely easy later on.

The open wilderness was completely boring, empty, sterile, and only there to take up spac-- ooh, an oyster. Nevermind, I take that back...

Clothing? I never realized so many people had a metrosexual bent towards shopping choices. Is this a paper doll simulator?

Car customization? A way to burn money. Nothing else.

 

San Andreas had a lot of crap, yes, but most of it was arbitrary, tacked on, and only served a purpose of pandering to vociferous, unpleasable 'fans' who requested that the game offer every-freakin-thing under the sun. Good thing those people with sense realized that feature creep and the illusion of choices didn't make the game better, only more diluted with features that served as a distraction, and offered NOTHING in terms of actually improving gameplay.

 

GTAIV takes everything, EVERYTHING that was actually right with the series, and uses it to--almost--perfect effect.

 

Sometimes, I wonder how many people got so buried by the hype, that they were imagining what could be possible, and began to think that Rockstar was actually doing it, or bought into way too much speculation on various interweb forumz.

 

GTAIV was exactly what I expected it would be. No more. No less. And a game that actually met MY expectations, is a rare case indeed.

 

 

 

 

[Wilddtd]

Wow, pretty much this entire thread shows the maturity of a lot of people playing. First off, most of the people claiming to have finished the game have not, just a few days ago there was only 1 person listed in the 100% area of the social club, granted it doesn't update very regularly and seems to glitch sometimes, but I'm sure that a lot of people claiming 100% are not there. I would agree that the story opened slowly, as most of the GTA titles have, but once you start to get more and more missions, I can barely find time to do anything while playing, I have the side missions, keeping up relationships and so forth. What a lot of these complaints state is unwarranted, rockstar decided not to put all the unnecessary crap from SA in this game. True, they took out a few things that most people wouldn't have minded being in the game, but most of the things seen in VC and SA which were not titles in the linear line of GTA titles, even Rockstar admitted they were side games, hence why this game is IV and not VI, were not essential to the story, and really did not give the game any more replay value. Replay value means you go back and wanna play the main storyline again because of how good the game was, replay doesn't mean you pop it in after completing the game so you can go around wasting your time and money. Also, this game holds up with great replay value, because of the MP alone. This is the first GTA to come out for both consoles simultaneously, and have a great MP, a multi-player which none of the other games even had, or even came close to creating, this to me makes the game better then any of those past titles, period. If you are sticking to features based on the main character then yeah, all the things in SA made sense because CJ was a clown punk, and would do stupid things like that. But Niko, as a character is way different, more of a reflection to GTA III, as this is the next in the series this makes sense, he comes from disspair and is trying to obtain the American dream, true he has to get blood on his hands, but if he could he would avoid all of that. What does he do with his money, how about help Roman start the new cab company, how about he saves it so that he can get out of the crime world, which is his intention. All your gripes with this game stem from the fact that you wanted a SA 2, so don't complain about this game because it isn't what you wanted, Rockstar never said it would be like that or Saints Row, this is an entirely different title. If you complain about this game, you are not going to like the next in the series, cause I doubt that it would go back to the same themes, it may revisit the past cities, but not the characters. My suggestion is complete the freaking game, and let me see your name on the completed list before you say what this game isn't. Also, a fantastic world and AI do make a difference, because everything around you reacts to the things you do, meaning they call the cops, they get mad at something you do, jack a car, wreck their car and so forth. Obviously this makes the gameplay way more interesting, and certain times more difficult. A living city is just what it is, so don't curse someone out just because you don't agree, the way traffic gets at certain points of the day, the interesting peds, sicko's, preachers and so forth are great additions to this game. The only time you really heard the peds before were when you attacked them, this game advances that and is spectacular. Why people keep saying there aren't things to do is stupid, there are things to do between missions, sometimes during missions, and all that material starts to add up the further you go, and there is no lack of things to do. If you wanted basketball, buy a basketball game, don't expect rockstar to put all your favorite activities in a video game, hell go out in the sun and do that crap in real life, not complain it isn't in a video game. That's why internet junkies are retarded, nothing can be accomplished online, and the more mad you get because people believe you to be wrong, shows how ignorant you truly are. Arguing on the internet is like racing in the special Olympics, even if you win, you're still retarded!

[SyphonPayne]

OH NO! WHATEVER WILL WE DO WITHOUT FINGERLESS GLOVES!!!!

lol, best post in the whole thread.

[bananabis]

OP, you've got to be f*cking kidding me. I would have possibly waited another 6 months if I realized just how incredibly awesome IV is. Hats off to Rock*Star, thumbs down for your whining and bitching.

[chitoryu12]

It's not a "less is more" arguement. Rockstar poured more effort into this game than any other in the series, but they put it into different places. They spent the effort that they could have used on making the geography even bigger and adding even more pointless minigames into making a truely living and unique city with excellent graphics and a compelling plotline. If GTA kept going the way it did with San Andreas, graphics would still be sh*t, you would have twice as many minigames, the physics out of your car would be nonexistant, and you would be playing in an even bigger state with more expanses of wasteland.

Right... because graphics and 'extras' are mutually exclusive...

 

I'm sick of hearing about this fantastically unique world... get over it already. A fantastic AI does not mean the game is fun. I get plenty of real life in...well... real life. When I play a video game I'm looking for a little hyperbole.

 

And sorry, some of the detail they spent all their effort on, while nice, does not make up for a lack of things to do.

 

Graphics have got to be one of the lowest criteria for a fun game IMO.

Well sh*t you should of read what R* said before buyin the game then shouldnt you, you douche.

You are a f*cking retard. Why would I not buy a 9.0 game just because the reviewer gave it a 10?

 

That doesn't make my criticism any less valid ass clown.

No, actually it does. You knew full well everything Rockstar said they would do. You lose all right to scream "Why can't I do this?" when you knew everything there was to know. Believe me, if you don't think this game has enough hyperbole for you, you must have one f*cking exciting life. The game is still fun. SA was basically their test bed for anything they wanted to add. They didn't get rid of what they got rid of because they're malicious and greedy corporate bastards. They saw that what they added in didn't work in the long term or was unnecessary and chopped it.

 

Would you rather they spent all the time they did revamping the combat, graphics, physics, driving, AI, story, playability, sound, etc. to add more pointless sh*t to San Andreas, make the map slightly larger, and slap on a pointless story and sh*tty characters just so you could say "Kickass! This game has more to do than all the other ones out there!" even if they aren't particularly fun or well done?

[Strajo D MaN]

Pozz za sve Srbe!! I think the main reason why R* removed so much stuff is because they didnt want to repeat stuff. Because if they did repeat it, the game would be boring if not in this part , it certanly would in the next part`s of Grand Theft Auto.

 

[wayninja]

No, actually it does. You knew full well everything Rockstar said they would do. You lose all right to scream "Why can't I do this?" when you knew everything there was to know. Believe me, if you don't think this game has enough hyperbole for you, you must have one f*cking exciting life. The game is still fun. SA was basically their test bed for anything they wanted to add. They didn't get rid of what they got rid of because they're malicious and greedy corporate bastards. They saw that what they added in didn't work in the long term or was unnecessary and chopped it.

 

Would you rather they spent all the time they did revamping the combat, graphics, physics, driving, AI, story, playability, sound, etc. to add more pointless sh*t to San Andreas, make the map slightly larger, and slap on a pointless story and sh*tty characters just so you could say "Kickass! This game has more to do than all the other ones out there!" even if they aren't particularly fun or well done?

I'm getting sick of all you fanboys leaping over logic in order to defend your precious.

 

I never lose my right to say anything. Full stop. Not sure what country you live in, but here I can say anything as long as it does not endanger someone's life.

 

But more intellectually you claim that foreknowledge of features invalidates criticism outside of said features.... which is just... well... stupid.

 

It doesn't matter if I knew x or y wasn't in the game, it's still valid to criticize the lack of it. Also, it's not as though I'm pulling features out of thin air, some of these things were present in previous incarnations, so there is basis to question the decision to remove them.

 

But thanks for trying to argue the limits of criticism. But since I never said that I wouldn't complain about features they never said would be in the game, I have a right to....

 

If R* execs aren't malicious and greedy, they really have no place in Western Capitalism.

 

Since I have no breakdown of how they spent their time, It's silly for me to question how the time was spent. But yes, I'd like to see more things to spend money on. It's pretty simple, really.

[wayninja]

Pozz za sve Srbe!! I think the main reason why R* removed so much stuff is because they didnt want to repeat stuff. Because if they did repeat it, the game would be boring if not in this part , it certanly would in the next part`s of Grand Theft Auto.

Please don't tell me you are trying to say that R* is not repeating itself... the internet is no place for stupid crap.

[Tyedyeskyguy]

R* have removed so much stuff they promised in the game i cant name them all but there was dragging bodies, listening to music on cellphone, taking photos and sending them to freinds, fingerless gloves, etc

 

why do you think they took so much out?

Dragging boddies? That's in the game. Steal some cars, and people will hold on. You get to drag them until they die.

 

Can't believe this hasn't happened to you yet.

[itconsumesme]

 

I don't know... yes they removed some things, but they also added many things as well.  So doesn't that even things out?  They wanted the game to be more about social interaction, and they did a great job methinks.  And just like the previous GTAs, much of what people ask of you is completely optional.  If you don't desire going on a date with the girlfriend or getting drunk with Roman, tell either "Yes," and then call back and cancel the date.  It won't affect relationship status either way.

 

Where bonuses were gained in previous iterations, they're gained in new ways here.  And the new way is, of course, via character interaction and gaining the trust of others. 

 

Yes, they changed the missions like those of vigilante and taxi, but they're still there. 

 

I took this from some place else over the issue of "WHAT TO DO IN GTA4!":

 

 

There are cab missions you can do for Roman (similar to what past GTAs had, only there aren't "levels," you just do it to earn money). There are races to do for Brucie. Cars to steal for Brucie. Cars to steal from text messages. Vigilante missions. Most Wanted missions. Assassination missions. Drug Trafficking missions. Stunt Jumps. Random Encounters (side missions). There is still a TON to do. You just have to progress in the game a bit before everything opens up to you (just like in the past, if you want all the city open, you have to beat like 75% of the game's main missions). Things like fire and ambulance were removed, but Assassination and Most Wanted missions were added, and there's more a lot more car theft missions also (you get a set from Brucie via email, as well as like 30 cars from text messages). Drug Trafficking is also new.

 

I see plenty. Sure, previous GTAs had subjectively "cool" things to do like gambling or personalizing vehicles, but those GTAs don't have minigames from this game either.

 

Not to mention all the general gameplay boosts in contrast to the others:

 

-far better gunplay with a nice cover-mechanic

-less cartoonish driving

-arguably better storyline (well, really, this doesn't contribute to gameplay, so this can be excused)

A couple people saying there isn't anything to do, read the above quote... very hard to believe considering there's tons to do.

[chitoryu12]

 

I never lose my right to say anything.  Full stop.  Not sure what country you live in, but here I can say anything as long as it does not endanger someone's life.

 

Anyone can say sh*t. I can't stop you from saying it, but I can sure as hell make everybody else look at you and go "Wow, what a retard."

 

 

But more intellectually you claim that foreknowledge of features invalidates criticism outside of said features.... which is just... well... stupid.

 

Mind telling me why? Honestly, if you want to actually argue this point with me (and if you didn't you wouldn't be continuing this), then try to actually deflect my arguements with something other than "You're stupid."

 

 

It doesn't matter if I knew x or y wasn't in the game, it's still valid to criticize the lack of it.  Also, it's not as though I'm pulling features out of thin air, some of these things were present in previous incarnations, so there is basis to question the decision to remove them.

 

There's no basis. I found car customization fun for maybe a few months, but once you customize every vehicle in the game and discover that some actually CAN'T be customized just because, you get bored. I didn't find basketball, pool, or gambling fun at all. Rockstar accurately demonstrated why you shouldn't try to stuff as much crap as possible into a game: You spread yourself so thin trying to meet deadlines that you just throw it together haphazardly for the fans who want some jack-of-all-trades game. You COULD spend time trying to make each minigame actually enjoyable for a sustained period, but you would have to either hire more people and lose money for their paychecks or delay the game, at which point people like you would promptly whine and cry foul for not getting your game on time, which is exactly what happened when they delayed GTA IV, Halo 2, etc.

 

 

But thanks for trying to argue the limits of criticism.  But since I never said that I wouldn't complain about features they never said would be in the game, I have a right to....

 

Wrong-o. If someone came up to you and told you that you would get a billion dollars for killing a bum, would you kill the bum and then go up to the guy and say "Why did you make me do that?" You knew everything that would be taken out, you still bought the game, and then acted like Rockstar did some terrible injury toward you for removing the arbitrary crap. Even if you're correct and have the right to criticize them, you're still an unpleasable prick with the sense of fun of a beetle.

 

 

If R* execs aren't malicious and greedy, they really have no place in Western Capitalism.

 

Since when? Where the f*ck are you from anyway? You're either some smarmy bitch across the pond looking over at our country and thinking we're all practically fighting over riches, or you're like Michael Moore and spend your time criticizing your home country and staying there just because you've admited that if you moved somewhere else, you couldn't criticize them.

 

 

Since I have no breakdown of how they spent their time, It's silly for me to question how the time was spent.  But yes, I'd like to see more things to spend money on.  It's pretty simple, really.

 

I would love to see the look on your face when they do that. You're either going to whine about how bad and unfun the minigames are, or, when they have to delay the game to improve the minigames until they're actually fun, you'll go "Why do you have to delay it? f*ck Rockstar!"

[K^2]

Well, dragging bodies would have went hand-in-hand with some kind of system where leaving bodies out in the open will get you wanted or something

It sort of works like that already. If you kill someone without the cops seeing it, and run away, you get no wanted level. If you kill someone, and keep standing over the body, you are likely to get wanted level a few seconds later. If a cop witnesses the murder, however, you get wanted level immediately.

[wayninja]

 

Anyone can say sh*t. I can't stop you from saying it, but I can sure as hell make everybody else look at you and go "Wow, what a retard."

 

You can make everyone do that? Wow, what power you posess! Actually, you said my arguments were 'invalid'. They are not, your attempt to discredit my IQ does not address the argument.

 

 

Mind telling me why? Honestly, if you want to actually argue this point with me (and if you didn't you wouldn't be continuing this), then try to actually deflect my arguements with something other than "You're stupid."

 

Um... seriously? You don't understand the flaw in that reasoning? So the only way I can complain about a feature NOT in the game is if R* lied about including it? There's no REASON to argue this. If you don't see why this is stupid, I won't be able to explain it to you.

 

 

There's no basis. I found car customization fun for maybe a few months, but once you customize every vehicle in the game and discover that some actually CAN'T be customized just because, you get bored. I didn't find basketball, pool, or gambling fun at all. Rockstar accurately demonstrated why you shouldn't try to stuff as much crap as possible into a game: You spread yourself so thin trying to meet deadlines that you just throw it together haphazardly for the fans who want some jack-of-all-trades game. You COULD spend time trying to make each minigame actually enjoyable for a sustained period, but you would have to either hire more people and lose money for their paychecks or delay the game, at which point people like you would promptly whine and cry foul for not getting your game on time, which is exactly what happened when they delayed GTA IV, Halo 2, etc.

 

And this is where your argument just gets silly... Ok, you got bored so it's good decision that it was removed? Regardless, that wasn't the point at all, I'm not sure why you are ASSUMING I want more mini-games or customization to fill my time, just something. It doesn't have to be the same stuff from SA... How about something new? I think that would be better than...well... nothing.

 

 

Wrong-o. If someone came up to you and told you that you would get a billion dollars for killing a bum, would you kill the bum and then go up to the guy and say "Why did you make me do that?" You knew everything that would be taken out, you still bought the game, and then acted like Rockstar did some terrible injury toward you for removing the arbitrary crap. Even if you're correct and have the right to criticize them, you're still an unpleasable prick with the sense of fun of a beetle. 

 

What??? I have no clue what your bum analogy does for the argument. I know what it does for your offspring, however.

 

I NEVER acted like R* did me some terrible injury? Where do you get this crap from. I simply said 'more stuff please'. Please stop cutting/pasting your fanboy arguments.

 

 

Since when? Where the f*ck are you from anyway? You're either some smarmy bitch across the pond looking over at our country and thinking we're all practically fighting over riches, or you're like Michael Moore and spend your time criticizing your home country and staying there just because you've admited that if you moved somewhere else, you couldn't criticize them.

 

I'm neither European nor liberal. But again, lay off the ctrl-v please. If you don't think capitalism breeds greed and maliciousness, then you probably need to wait a few years before finishing high-school and see for yourself.

 

 

I would love to see the look on your face when they do that. You're either going to whine about how bad and unfun the minigames are, or, when they have to delay the game to improve the minigames until they're actually fun, you'll go "Why do you have to delay it? f*ck Rockstar!"

 

Um, I might, if I felt it justifed.

[aDFP]

wayninja, Please shut up. You're a troll and a moron, and I'm sick of reading your condescending trash-talk.

[justindnb]

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[Catalinaslover]

 

 

is kinda intersting with all these defending or bitching sides and different views of what gta is.

 

would not be possible with a linear oldschool game from the ole days, atleast not very intense.

 

Gta for me is basically about the vibe throughout the game through all the Brilliant written sarcasm in the radio channels, story, caracters and the total nonlinear gameplay. Its just sick how much cool content they poured into the games after Gta3. (THX lazlow)

 

For my gta fix to be upgraded i needed smoother audio ambience -pedestrians sound fx and so on obv updated graphics, more intelligent ped animations/actions

i believe i will not get dissapointed(in 1 week)

 

Now is the question where Gta is gonna go... To me some ppl sound like all they want is a kinda realistic free roaming shooter and the other far side want a sim there ya need to go and s*it every 5 minute to not go game over.

Either side aint Gta to me, just i believe theres a balance then making a game...going for total realism might end up..boring..

 

Yea i was-am another SA fan and why not!!?

The hours i spent in LV casinos testing out different systems in blackjack and roulette, driving/flying in the so hated country side with the sound fx down and music up, buying properties, just crusing chilling, collecting those BP cars, or firing up a gang war..i loved it and i still play it.

 

Now gta Iv is tighter, takes on a more serious suit and that looks all cool to me also but the thing is we got spoiled with the endless possabillitys to waste our time and virtual money in the previous game and if it aint going silly and destroying the games vibe i cant see why ppl think its a bad thing...like if ya dont wanna go into a casino and r happy to blast ppl on the streets, fine have fun but the more cool well implemented fun things ya slap on the game the more diverse and varied the gameplay experience gets.

 

Before playing Iv i already look forward to the next gen consoles and gta VI

I hope for the generation DLC. Radio stations updates everymonth, new areas develops, even more smarter games where buying a buisness could mean you had to control and develop it,hell maybe even graphic charts of the money flow off them..the beauty in a game like Gta is that all that kinda rpg elements can be optional, if players just wanna play it as Gears of war fine...but putting effort into posting on forums and wanting future games less deep and realistic as they sounds to like then they could be is not the path I hope R* takes.

[chitoryu12]

 

You can make everyone do that? Wow, what power you posess! Actually, you said my arguments were 'invalid'. They are not, your attempt to discredit my IQ does not address the argument.

 

Your arguements are invalid because you are providing no evidence for any of your reasoning whatsoever. You merely say "I don't have to prove something that's obvious!", which makes your actual reasoning about as flimsy as a paper bridge.

 

 

Um... seriously? You don't understand the flaw in that reasoning? So the only way I can complain about a feature NOT in the game is if R* lied about including it? There's no REASON to argue this. If you don't see why this is stupid, I won't be able to explain it to you.

 

Oh, look, no attempt to actually discredit me or my assertions apart from "You're stupid." Protip: It's only a lie if Rockstar knew they would never implement it and was only trying to make people buy their games. Every feature they said would be gone is gone. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

 

And this is where your argument just gets silly... Ok, you got bored so it's good decision that it was removed? Regardless, that wasn't the point at all, I'm not sure why you are ASSUMING I want more mini-games or customization to fill my time, just something. It doesn't have to be the same stuff from SA... How about something new? I think that would be better than...well... nothing.

 

And this isn't new? New graphics, new physics, new gameplay, new story (that isn't just hopelessly tacked on as an excuse to blow sh*t up), new characters, and new setting. I have to assume that you want more minigames or customization options simply because that's what you complained about. You never said what you wanted and you still aren't. You specifically whined about not having the sh*t from San Andreas, and yet we're supposed to assume that you DON'T want that continued and instead want something new that you won't tell us about?

 

 

What??? I have no clue what your bum analogy does for the argument. I know what it does for your offspring, however.

 

Both situations told you that you would get a good reward out of doing what you were told (buying a game or killing a bum), and also told you of things that you wouldn't like (missing features or having to kill an innocent person), yet you still go up and complain about it after you already did it.

 

 

I NEVER acted like R* did me some terrible injury? Where do you get this crap from. I simply said 'more stuff please'. Please stop cutting/pasting your fanboy arguments.

 

When all else fails and you can't provide any actual arguements beyond "You're a moron", just accuse your opponent of copying and pasting his arguements and smile smugly.

 

 

I'm neither European nor liberal. But again, lay off the ctrl-v please. If you don't think capitalism breeds greed and maliciousness, then you probably need to wait a few years before finishing high-school and see for yourself.

 

More "You're a copy-paster, so there!". Exactly what would your qualifications be that are superior to mine? Obviously, I have inferior education while you are a comparitive expert. Mind explaining why Rockstar isn't a greedy and malicious big corporation?

 

 

Um, I might, if I felt it justifed.

 

And what makes it justified? Your word?

[wayninja]

wayninja, Please shut up. You're a troll and a moron, and I'm sick of reading your condescending trash-talk.

Haha, go f*ck yourself.

[wayninja]

 

Your arguements are invalid because you are providing no evidence for any of your reasoning whatsoever. You merely say "I don't have to prove something that's obvious!", which makes your actual reasoning about as flimsy as a paper bridge.

 

Paper bridge? Brilliant analogy, saving that gem for a while, eh? I'm not going to waste my time explaining to you why it's valid to criticize feature removed from the game. I truly don't believe you are capable of understanding anyway.... Ok, I'll give it a shot, break it down simple-like for ya.

 

Company A that makes a product that I like decides to come out with a new model with all kinds of new features.

Company A states that some of the features on the previous model will not be included in the new model.

I disagree with that decision because I like some of those features, but want the new features too.

I choose to criticize the decision to leave those features out of the new model.

 

If you don't get that, then you may as well jump off your paper bridge.

 

 

Oh, look, no attempt to actually discredit me or my assertions apart from "You're stupid." Protip: It's only a lie if Rockstar knew they would never implement it and was only trying to make people buy their games. Every feature they said would be gone is gone. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

I never claimed they lied. You claimed I only have a valid argument IF they lied. Protip: Read the words on the page, not the ones your imaginary friend tells you.

 

 

And this isn't new? New graphics, new physics, new gameplay, new story (that isn't just hopelessly tacked on as an excuse to blow sh*t up), new characters, and new setting. I have to assume that you want more minigames or customization options simply because that's what you complained about. You never said what you wanted and you still aren't. You specifically whined about not having the sh*t from San Andreas, and yet we're supposed to assume that you DON'T want that continued and instead want something new that you won't tell us about?

 

Nope, all of those things are not new. Almost every sequel of every game includes these things. Without them there's hardly a reason to make a sequel. You don't care about the mini-games, customization etc, fine. I get that. I don't care about the story! I wan't a game not a f*cking novel. Trust me, if I were going for a story, there are MUCH better games to play than ANY GTA. I've said what I want and continue to say it. I want:

 

1. Rockstar to not have taken optional elements out of the game. They are easily ignored if you don't like them. There are too many to list, but the biggest gripe I have is easily stated. There's a ton of money and not much to spend it on. If you see this as progress, then no amount of logic will change your mind.

or

2. Some new spin on this theme. I don't know exactly what, something NEW. Give me some money and I'll f*cking tell you.

 

 

 

Both situations told you that you would get a good reward out of doing what you were told (buying a game or killing a bum), and also told you of things that you wouldn't like (missing features or having to kill an innocent person), yet you still go up and complain about it after you already did it.

 

Are you smoking crack? I don't see how buying this game is like killing a bum for a million dollars... If you are trying to make a serious point with this, please clarify, because I honestly don't get it.

 

 

When all else fails and you can't provide any actual arguements beyond "You're a moron", just accuse your opponent of copying and pasting his arguements and smile smugly.

 

I did provide an argument. You went on a rant accusing me of all sorts of things I didn't do or say. I can only conclude that this is your boiler-plate argument.

 

 

 

More "You're a copy-paster, so there!". Exactly what would your qualifications be that are superior to mine? Obviously, I have inferior education while you are a comparitive expert. Mind explaining why Rockstar isn't a greedy and malicious big corporation?

 

Why would I explain? That isn't my position. Again, I'm only claiming to be superior to you in READING COMPREHENSION.

 

 

And what makes it justified? Your word?

 

No, a f*cking angel told me it was ok. What do you think? Yes, if I FEEL it to be justified, I complain. I don't wait for a fatwah to be issued.

Edited May 5, 2008 by wayninja

[aDFP]

 

Company A that makes a product that I like decides to come out with a new model with all kinds of new features.

Company A states that some of the features on the previous model will not be included in the new model.

I disagree with that decision because I like some of those features, but want the new features too.

I choose to criticize the decision to leave those features out of the new model.

One last one, before I go.

 

The name of the game is GTA IV. That's GTA 4, the sequel to GTA 3, ok? It is not GTA: San Andreas 2. Maybe that'll come, ask Rockstar. If you prefer GTA:SA then go and play GTA:SA. If, however, you prefer GTA IV then I hope you enjoy it.

 

And I apologise for my condescension earlier. You were right, it was rude. Not as offensive as 90% of your petty, inchoherent drivel, but I don't want you to think I was attacking you because I have something against you. I am attacking you because your arguments are ridiculous, badly thought-out rubbish. We clear? Good. I'm off now, feel free to continue insulting me and trolling this forum.

 

[elpepemonster]

R* have removed so much stuff they promised in the game i cant name them all but there was dragging bodies, listening to music on cellphone, taking photos and sending them to freinds, fingerless gloves, etc

 

why do you think they took so much out?

well think about it, the game took about 100 million to make and if they would have added all of the stuff that they prmised, it would have cost more to make and it wouldnt fit on a 20 gig disck ( thats what its on,right?, well atleast the ps3 has dual and triple layered bd's)also, the game would cost more and in future gta games there wouldnt be no room for improvement cuz you already have a game that would be like 100 out of 10. but one thing that did piss me off is that you cant get drunk in free roam and you cant smoke, or buy your house ( not a stylish one though) or buy a couple of businesses and turnthem into drug businesses. also car customisation is gone ( prolly the best feature) and theres not enough guns and clothes.

if it didnt fit on one disc, the could make 2 disks

thats retarded cuz when you want to load a minigame, youd hafta change disc and an annying screen wuld pop up. also if one of the discs got a scratch the n half the game'll be missing thats retarded cuz when you want to load a minigame, youd hafta change disc and an annying screen wuld pop up. also if one of the discs got a scratch the n half the game'll be missing. not a probem for BD though