Why is it lacking?

[gta4hater]

I give this game a personal 8/10. For an avergae game it's great. But I think SA was better for it's time frame and the console it used had way less power than the current "next gen"

 

I know I will get flamed by fan boys. If you want to disagree then give a reason and then say why.

 

1. Point 1...... well I'll start with the fact there are no parachutes,tanks,planes,car customization, Hair cuts, Gyms etc etc

All these features made SA fun. Every one added like an hour + of playing time. Maybe the parachutes added 2-3 hours and they would have been great in liberty City.

 

2. Why so many lies? The claim that LC would be "vertically" in lay-out is total cr*P. Firstly hardly any bulidngs have interiors to reach the roofs. Secondly the amout of buildings with ladders to reach the roofs are massive. But the ladder is unreachable unless you get a car and basically glitch up the ladder.

 

3. Far too realistic, they have to find a balance. Firslt try climbing up on a helicopter wing. You slip off like it's some kind of ice rink. In real life I could climb on a wing no problem without slipping off. Also why can't you stand in boats? why do you have to sit down? especially in the yaughts etc.

 

4. There is a theme Park that's not usubale, A golf course that serves no purpose. Where is the Liberty City gun club? doesen't exist.

 

5. Infact R* are so lazy that you can't actually go in some of the bars. You just magically come out drunk.

 

The list could go on but one last point is Free Roam. What can you actually do?

[michaelekylon]

just play san andreas if you don't like IV

[al0324]

GTA IV is a glorified gta 3 with better graphics.

 

maybe gtaV will be SA with better graphics.

[gta4hater]

just play san andreas if you don't like IV

Maybe I will.

 

 

But it would have been so EASY to include some of these things.

 

 

Why lie?

[ryuclan]

 

The list could go on but one last point is Free Roam. What can you actually do?

The point of Free Roam is to not have any objectives. To be able to do whatever you want with friends and not worry about doing certain things. If you can't find things to do in FR then you probably don't have any imagination...

[gta4hater]

 

The list could go on but one last point is Free Roam. What can you actually do?

The point of Free Roam is to not have any objectives. To be able to do whatever you want with friends and not worry about doing certain things. If you can't find things to do in FR then you probably don't have any imagination...

No,

 

I have drove with freinds, jumped out moving cars, flew heli copters, jumped out, shot freinds, killed peds and teamed the police.

 

After that....... nothing

[ryuclan]

 

The list could go on but one last point is Free Roam. What can you actually do?

The point of Free Roam is to not have any objectives. To be able to do whatever you want with friends and not worry about doing certain things. If you can't find things to do in FR then you probably don't have any imagination...

No,

 

I have drove with freinds, jumped out moving cars, flew heli copters, jumped out, shot freinds, killed peds and teamed the police.

 

After that....... nothing

Also didn't you make that other thread about how much GTA sucked...? I thought your name was just a novelty thing but it seems to fit you more then I thought.

[Seddo]

They've started off small by leaving a few things out but they'll eventually start adding them back in to make the new series better. Just like III started of small and the VC and SA started adding more features. They're bound to add more for the next GTA.

[al0324]

They've started off small by leaving a few things out but they'll eventually start adding them back in to make the new series better. Just like III started of small and the VC and SA started adding more features. They're bound to add more for the next GTA.

yeah but that's kinda sucky if they did that intentionally. It's like making a product with flaws and then telling you a new better version will come out so that you can spend more of your hard earned cash.

 

ahhhhhh crap, i just described every living product out there

 

one thing i wanted to say though with the comment "go play SA then..."

 

I think that's bad if people go BACK to SA. No company wants customers to go back to their older product (like winXP and vista!).

 

i did not know this was a trilogy though...

 

so that's good. can't wait for the new one.

[GeneticallySuperior]

I have to agree with points 4 and 5. I can understand why they left out certain customizations for this GTA though.

 

It would be pretty sweet to actually go in the bar and go shot for shot with people. And I would probably enjoy a golf game a lot more than darts or bowling.

 

Still enjoying the game regardless.

[-NeMo-]

I don't agree with your name. But the points you make are definitely right.

[dlx]

another hype-victim:

 

I agree that in terms of bonus features, this game is a step back. It seems like rockstar made the decision to work on the core gameplay the most, and maybe leave all the extra's for the next installment. GTA IV is a platform... I think it's going to have the same evolution as GTAIII where SA and VC were basically refined versions of the first games with extra features (none of them really game changing). Now they have a framework of a game to build upon. They're gonna tweak the engine to get more performance, and add features (many of which will come from further implementation of Euphoria)...

 

In my opinion they did everything right. Rockstar is big, but they make even bigger games, so they too have to stretch their resources to develop and publish a game like GTA.

You should be f*ckin glad about that, cause they're one of the last players in the business willing to take such risks when designing a game. EA would never greenlight a project like this, activision or ubisoft neither. I think they spent their money and energy in all the right places, and the features will return once they are redeveloped. Another reason is that leaving some of the stuff in the game like it was before would make them look bad in comparison to all the awesome new stuff. Everything has to conform to the new level of realism or it's out..

[markiij]

SA wasn't better for it's time. It was running on the same engine as GTA III XD!

[Trund]

R* focused too much on detail rather than on the fun parts of the last GTA's.

 

What I mean is, every street looks different, there are so many varieties in textures and everything that makes every district look unique, BUT, who cares if there's just nothing to do?

 

They used census data to provide a somewhat accurate variety of ethnic groups in every different part of the city, but do you really care?

It makes the game more realistic, no doubt, but that doesn't add fun, maybe a small WOW effect that lasts for 5 seconds, yet they worked years on it.

 

Also all the talk about how there is no unused space anymore, pure crap. If you ask me, ALL of Alderney is just complete wasteland with nothing to do, that whole place doesn't even have any building with interior.

 

Now there is also that vertically talk, sniping from a Skyscraper at Star Junction is just boring, because there is absolutely nothing going on if you're standing on a building, and on medium buildings you can't even see the traffic no more (well, you can't really call 2-3 cars traffic).

 

The new driving and physics engine makes up a little for that, but it's still not how it should be.

 

But I guess that's what happens when you go multi-platform, not to mention all the technical issues a lot of users are coming across recently....

Edited May 4, 2008 by Trund

[StanMarsh]

I give this game a personal 8/10. For an avergae game it's great. But I think SA was better for it's time frame and the console it used had way less power than the current "next gen"

 

I know I will get flamed by fan boys. If you want to disagree then give a reason and then say why.

 

1. Point 1...... well I'll start with the fact there are no parachutes,tanks,planes,car customization, Hair cuts, Gyms etc etc

All these features made SA fun. Every one added like an hour + of playing time. Maybe the parachutes added 2-3 hours and they would have been great in liberty City.

 

2. Why so many lies? The claim that LC would be "vertically" in lay-out is total cr*P. Firstly hardly any bulidngs have interiors to reach the roofs. Secondly the amout of buildings with ladders to reach the roofs are massive. But the ladder is unreachable unless you get a car and basically glitch up the ladder.

 

3. Far too realistic, they have to find a balance. Firslt try climbing up on a helicopter wing. You slip off like it's some kind of ice rink. In real life I could climb on a wing no problem without slipping off. Also why can't you stand in boats? why do you have to sit down? especially in the yaughts etc.

 

4. There is a theme Park that's not usubale, A golf course that serves no purpose. Where is the Liberty City gun club? doesen't exist.

 

5. Infact R* are so lazy that you can't actually go in some of the bars. You just magically come out drunk.

 

The list could go on but one last point is Free Roam. What can you actually do?

1- But what if you didn't care about customizing your character? I didn't give two sh*ts about it, and no matter what you did it would detract from the storyline because CJ looked and felt like a tool. In GTAIV, a much higher emphasis is placed on Niko's character than in previous games and, therefore, having the ability to give him an afro and get some major bling-bling to hang around from his neck would detract from his character and the story. Also, no tanks because there is no army, no army because they would be unrealistic to use in THIS game. Parachutes I can see for one reason, and this is bailing out of helicopters, but there is only one city so I see no reason for planes. I also never once customized a car and I find the whole car customization thing to be retarded in a game like Grand Theft Auto where, in all likelyhood, your car will be destroyed at some point.

Plus, does Niko seem the type who would go and get his car customized?

 

2- Rockstar always talked about this kind of stuff...but if you had a realistic mindset, you'd know they were telling us what they wanted to do and what they tried to do. So, did they try to make the layout vertical? Yes. However, did I expect it to really work? No, and I was right and hence I didn't have a problem.

 

3- Helicopter wing? Okay, I've seen a helicopter and wasn't aware they had wings. Maybe we use different terms? Whatever the case, I'm sure if I knew exactly what you were talking about I could argue you on this point.

 

4- Valid points.

 

5- A drinking minigame would be nice, but I think it less an issue of lazines and more of likely not coming p with an interesting minigame for it.

 

@Trund- IMHO, half of Las Santos, seventy percent of Las Venturas, and a quarter of San Fierro felt like wasted space. Then you have the countryside and desert, which were wasted like no one's business.

[Joey.Leone]

It would be pretty sweet to actually go in the bar and go shot for shot with people. And I would probably enjoy a golf game a lot more than darts or bowling.

I dont understand it though, why would you find that enjoyable on a game when you can just do it in real life? The drinking i mean, how would that be fun when you cant feel anything, makes no sense. Oh wow, my character is going shot for shot with that guy because im pressing X repeatedly, so fun.

 

GTA4 is visually brilliant, and there will be more to come.

[Trund]

 

@Trund- IMHO, half of Las Santos, seventy percent of Las Venturas, and a quarter of San Fierro felt like wasted space. Then you have the countryside and desert, which were wasted like no one's business.

Well I haven't compared it with GTA SA, since it, like you said, had a lot of wasted space as well.

 

The thing is, there was still more to do in GTA SA than there is to do in GTA4, and I believe that this shouldn't of happen.

R* said how revolutionizing this game would be, somewhat like taking GTA3 into 3D, to take GTA4 into next-gen, but besides the physics engine and the immense detail of the Game I don't see anything next-gen.

 

I thought of GTA4 as something innovative, a Game with huge freedom, with things you weren't able to do in the last ones, and I'm disappointed by the fact that this is not the case.

Hardcore GTA Fanboys will disagree with me, but you all know in some way that the game just lacks something.

 

You know, when I first played GTA3 it was like a new world of gaming to me. You didn't think of Interiors and all that crap, you just had fun driving around, messing around, as it was something new, something that was never done before.

 

But now 7 years have passed since GTA3, and creating a world where you can drive and walk around freely is just NOT enough anymore to satisfy me, and a lot of other users. I'm just disappointed by the fact that we all waited almost 4 years since GTA SA for this game, and we had so many hopes, but yet R* let us down again in so many points.

 

Just look at it, we were disappointed that car washes were taken out in GTA SA, now they are in GTA4, but you can't have your custom car anymore, a car you care about and would take it for a car wash, therefore car wash in GTA4 is totally pointless.

 

And why were we betrayed with the trunk again? It was supposed to be in GTA SA, supposed to be in GTA4, but why is it still not a feature in the game?

 

There are many more of those little things, little things that would of increased the enjoyment of this game by a huge amount.

 

EDIT: And why the hell can't we even pick a car color we want in Pay & Spray? Instead of driving into it 10 times until you get the right color that you wanted?

Edited May 4, 2008 by Trund

[KieranMurphy]

If I want to play golf or bowling video games, I'll just turn on my Wii and play the sports game or find silly little Flash games on the internet.

 

The bitching and whining about car customisation and haircuts and clothes is starting to get on my nerves. Those were all just stupid gimmicks that didn't add a lot to the game. If you thought they were what made San Andreas a great game, then you are made of EPIC FAIL and have completely and totally missed the point of GTA games and what really makes them great. All GTA games have had their gimmicks and minigames that add variation and fun to the game, but they're not what makes the game great and removing all that crap from the games would still leave you with a series of games that would still rank up there as amongst the best. Rockstar went over the top in San Andreas and have made the right decision this time round to streamline the game and to put more focus and effort into the really good things.

 

The facts are that the game is far longer and has more variability than nearly all other video games out there and like previous GTA games has characters and acting and storyline that put other games to shame, but people are bitching because of the kind of shoes or hats that are available or because you can't play a game of golf. I hope they leave that crap out of all future GTA games and spend the money and time they save by adding more meat to the game, not putting 50 different clothes shops in the game or having dozens of stupid pointless minigames to waste your time on.

 

Rockstar have this game just about perfectly balanced. There's a limit to how much time and money a game developer can put into a game and they shouldn't have to pander to every idiot who wants to put 20" gold rims on the cars or to be able to choose from a dozen stupid looking haircuts or demands to have 500 missions in the game.

 

To all the haters and whiners - you've bought a video game that will be remembered in years to come as one of the greats, but you just don't know it because you can't see the wood for the trees.

[jpalmer2004]

GTA IV VS GTA SA

 

GTA IV things to do :

Strip Clubs

Caberet Clubs

normal clubs

bars

Pool,

Darts

Bowling

Comedy Clubs

Side Missions

Internet

Dates

Video Games

 

GTA SA

One type of Club

Side Missions

Basketball (Which didn't work after a curtian mission anyway)

Car Customization

Gang Wars

Video games

Pool

Gym

 

What Exactly is Rockstar leaving out? Golf, Gloves and Turning Signals?

 

As far as Safehouses go, There really is no reason to have 5 houses in 1 city, You ojnly save in one spot right?

 

As far as i can see, Rockstar left everything in IV that was in GTA SA, Minus Airplanes, player customization/car customization and gyms,

[goodsmeagol]

just play san andreas if you don't like IV

Maybe I will.

 

 

But it would have been so EASY to include some of these things.

 

 

Why lie?

So easy? good for u then, addd them, because im sure R* decided, hey guys lets make a half assed game here and release this pile of sh*t.

OR they said yeh you know we can only do so much, great, so we are going to do that much, and do that much great, which they did, lets focus on what is good and not what it lacks, because you know what, my girl friend... she lacks, a third titty,

do i complain? or do i focus on the other 2?

 

[svr_2008]

because r* sucked my hairy wang.

 

/head