Dissapointing. Big time.

[casa13]

stop complaining maybe you just suck who every did this post

[Effilocher]

 

I have played every GTA game. 

 

The best one still is Grand Theft Auto : San Andreas. Hands down, no discussion.

 

 

This GTA 4 is basically an updated GTA 3.  It sucks but I will play the rest of the game and beat it anyway.  The Cops N Crooks multiplayer is fun if I get boss, that's about all I can think is fun about this crap.  With all of the detail in this game, there isn't even a first-person mode to look around.  If you want to ZOOM in on detail that rockstar thought would make GTA 4 great, you have to get a sniper gun or something cause you can't look with your character.  Geez.

 

 

1) The character slants when he walks/runs. When you turn while walking or running, he slants so bad it's not even realistic anymore. What the hell is that?  He has a funny sense of gravity.  Horrible.

 

2) No planes.  Yes, we know that already. Moving on.

 

3) The cars suck.  They look beautiful, but they suck.  The handling is HORRIBLE. H-O-R-R-I-B-L-E.  Turning while at high speeds is a no-no.  If you brake to make a hard turn and compensate, your car peels out and slips and slides and you lose control.    This alone is a horrible change to the game. All other GTA games had it down.  Heck, EVEN SAINTS ROW HAS A BETTER CAR SYSTEM THAN THIS.

 

 

4)  The shooting system. It sucks. Bad.  Even if you put it to 'Basic' in the options, it's still a damn CHORE to aim and shoot. It's horrible. 

 

4-B )  NO DUAL WIELDING GUNS [email protected]?!?!?  why, rockstar, WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

5) Moronic rag doll physics for Nico. If he gets nudged by a car, dives out of a car, or falls over in a weird way, he goes through this annoying animation and you have to wait for him to get up.  If you have ever played Saints Row, you know you have seen this before. GTA 4 basically copied it, and it's annoying.

 

 

6)  The Wanted stars system is changed.  Now it's basically the Scarface system, where you have to 'lose the cops' by leaving the circle on your radar.  It's too easy and it's frustrating AT THE SAME TIME!  Why?  Yes, it's TOO easy to lose the cops....but  the cops SPAWN IN FRONT OF YOUR PATH, so you have to brake to a stop and just sit there. Ugh.

 

 

7)  You can't swim underwater anymore and see marine life.  In San Andreas, you can see fish, dolphins, turtles. I think even a shark.  You could jump off highways and bridges into the water and dive to get away from the cops.  Their bullets barely hit you while underwater and you could sneak up on cop boats.  It was a fun way to get away from police. Swimming underwater = win. 

 

8)  Gym, eating to keep up your stamina etc.....all gone. Realism for your character = gone.

 

9)  Game map = a lot smaller. It sucks.  This is going backwards. It feels like GTA 3 all over again.  San Andreas set a standard.  This is going in the wrong direction.  Sure there are no load times when going inside some places now, but I DIDN'T CARE ABOUT THE LOAD TIMES IN SA. They were short and fast.

 

10) There is no option when cycling the radio to turn the radio off.  You have to hold the button down for a few seconds. This is annoying. Trying to drive, shoot, get away, whatever, and holding down a stupid button..........

 

 

11)  Lack of interiors

Ok, so Rockstar went for living breathing realistic game right? So how come 99% of all buildings are still unavailable to players? We do not have the freedom to go anywhere in the city because the buildings are basically walls that look like a building with windows on it. This has not progressed at all.

 

 

12)  Lack of close combat fighting

Killing pedestrians isn't fun anymore. Only knife and bat as melee weapons, and only basic combo attack.

 

San Andreas introduced us to customizing your character's fighting abilities by going to each dojo/boxer training and learning cool new moves. In GTA 4, we are stuck with the exact same punch combo for the entire game. It's clunky when you try to hit someone on the ground with melee weapons like a bat. There are only 2 melee weapons, bat and knife. That's it. Stealth kills was removed.

 

It's just NOT fun to fight peds anymore......and only bat and knife as melee weapons?  Maybe it's coming to DLContent, anyone? This was a lame move by Rockstar. 

 

 

13)  No parachute. This one is -huge-. How could they decide to remove this? With all of the tall buildings and skyscrapers, people would have a TON OF FUN going back to jump off of things. People loved to do it in GTA San Andreas but GTA 4 has even higher buildings to jump off of.

 

Just add the parachute for those who love to use it. In San Andreas, I actually did a few missions by flying via plane/helicopter and then parachuting down to my mission and start shooting tounge.gif

 

 

14)  No properties to buy  So......what do I do with my money? With all of the buildings in GTA 4....... they couldn't add tons of stuff to buy? Businesses, safehouses......anything.......

No feeling of being a big time player.  Just some street bum named Niko who came to America to get revenge. No ambition whatsoever. The end.  Wow, real interesting. Maybe next game you can have me play as Grand Theft Auto : BIll Gates - The Nerd adventures. He'd be more interesting than Niko.  At least with Bill Gates, I can buy anything I want.

 

 

15) No gang territory

You can pretty much go anywhere in the entire city that you want to go. As long as you don't shoot anyone or wield your gun, you can go anywhere. In GTA 3, VC, and San Andreas, there were turfs for each gang and if you went there, you could be shot at if you were seen. GTA 4 is a safe place to be. You won't see gang areas and nobody will mess with you....and that means there is nobody for you to mess with either.

 

 

16) No firetruck missions anymore

 

Nothing to explain here. There are fire trucks in GTA 4. However, I have yet to see a fire. Cars aren't on fire when they blow up in GTA 4. It just goes away so I have yet to see a use for a fire truck, to be honest. Fire trucks are useless in GTA 4 because nothing catches fire. Maybe they didn't finish the game so that's why they couldn't add these side missions?

 

17) No paramedic missions anymore. They could have added this. Don't know why they didn't.

 

 

18) Added Taxi driver missions. These are an endless side-mission given by Roman. However, they are not timed and there are basically no conditions. Just get there alive with your passenger, no matter how long it took you or the condition of the car. Insanely boring.

 

BORING.

 

 

19)  When on 6 star wanted level, just fly in a helicopter.  No problem.  IT SUCKS.  The only things to chase you is OTHER helicopters, and you can ALWAYS OUTFLY THEM.  You are ALWAYS faster than the AI helicopters.  It's really stupid.  what's the point of having 5 or 6 stars if you are in the air?  Nothing gets you.

 

In SA, jets come and fire missiles at you and choppers can keep up with you.

 

 

 

Game is beautiful. However, I wipe my butt with beautiful detail. I don't care if a soda can says Koke on it when I zoom in.  It's useless.  Give me bigger areas.

 

 

It really feels like this game is a frankenstein of Scarface, Saints Row, GTA 3, and a few others.  This franchise has gone backwards. It doesn't even feel like the same people who made the earlier games made this one. It feels like people who are less capable and less intelligent made this GTA 4 than the people who made GTA San Andreas and Vice city.

 

 

GTA copied Scarface

GTA copied Saints row

GTA even copied an old GTA game, GTA 3.

 

this is bad.

 

 

 

 

 

I got this game at midnight. I waited in line for 2 1/2 hours waiting for the release.  I am really dissapointed.

You know what, I would write a detailed reply explaining how unbelievably stupid your opinions are, but I know for a fact that you will just come back by saying something along the lines of "R* fail because (stupid reason here). "

So instead of writing my long, detailed reply, I will just say...

F*ck off.

[Tony Mozzarelli 80]

What's the point in that?

[Effilocher]

Because it is necessary for him to f*ck off these forums if he has absolutely nothing positive to say about this beautiful game. Everyone is entitled to opinion, but he has taken his too far.

[Tony Mozzarelli 80]

Because it is necessary for him to f*ck off these forums if he has absolutely nothing positive to say about this beautiful game. Everyone is entitled to opinion, but he has taken his too far.

He has said made positive comments about the game before, and even if he hadn't why

would it be necessary for him to f*ck off? this is a discussion forum after all, where people

come to discuss GTAIV and that's exactly what he's doing. so where's the problem?

[Effilocher]

You are right. Let me rephrase. He should f*ck off back to San Andreas if he hates IV so much, instead of wasting our time with pointless (and quite frankly, silly) rants. He is clutching at straws because IV is nothing like San Andreas, and he is, apparently, scared of change.

[Machida]

I just recently completed the game and i thought the ending was a good one. I've seen alot of people say it left them feeling a bit underwhelmed, but it was a GTA game. It was kinda ment to do that. GTA titles never have a happy ending. Granted there isnt much to do afterwards unless you still have side missions to do. I didnt like the way all my phone contacts dissapeared after completing the game. Even if i had just got through to an answering machine at least i would have kept a hold of my original contacts.

 

But with saying that im one that enjoys switching off the console after finishing a game. Even if it is a sandbox, ive still got other stuff i should be doing.

Edited July 19, 2008 by Machida

[williamcampbell]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have played every GTA game. 

 

The best one still is Grand Theft Auto : San Andreas. Hands down, no discussion.

 

Funny thing, I even broke my SA in half. Sucky sucky GTA, couldn't stand the f'n thing. No discussion? Well, at least with all those SA fanboys out there.

 

 

1) The character slants when he walks/runs. When you turn while walking or running, he slants so bad it's not even realistic anymore. What the hell is that?  He has a funny sense of gravity.  Horrible.

Sure, CJ moved in such a realistic way, right?! Here we go again...

 

 

2) No planes.  Yes, we know that already. Moving on.

Exactly, moving on. All this time playing GTA IV and I haven't found any moment where I could say: "damn, a plane would be great now".

 

 

3) The cars suck.  They look beautiful, but they suck.  The handling is HORRIBLE. H-O-R-R-I-B-L-E.  Turning while at high speeds is a no-no.  If you brake to make a hard turn and compensate, your car peels out and slips and slides and you lose control.    This alone is a horrible change to the game. All other GTA games had it down.  Heck, EVEN SAINTS ROW HAS A BETTER CAR SYSTEM THAN THIS.

 

Oh noes, another Saints Row fan? Really, after IV, I'm spoiled to hell. I just can't stand another game with sucky unbelievable physics. Maybe it's just me, but GOOD PHYSICS FTW.

 

 

4-B )  NO DUAL WIELDING GUNS [email protected]?!?!?  why, rockstar, WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, because they were so fun in SA, RIGHT? Damn, why I am the only person in the world that don't like this f'n thing? It just made the whole thing much easier, and that sucked ass. Dual wielding M4?! That was ridiculous.

 

 

5) Moronic rag doll physics for Nico. If he gets nudged by a car, dives out of a car, or falls over in a weird way, he goes through this annoying animation and you have to wait for him to get up.  If you have ever played Saints Row, you know you have seen this before. GTA 4 basically copied it, and it's annoying.

Yeah yeah, Saints Row this and that with the ridiculous physics system and bla bla bla. Get over.

 

 

7)  You can't swim underwater anymore and see marine life.  In San Andreas, you can see fish, dolphins, turtles. I think even a shark.  You could jump off highways and bridges into the water and dive to get away from the cops.  Their bullets barely hit you while underwater and you could sneak up on cop boats.  It was a fun way to get away from police. Swimming underwater = win. 

Oh yeah, win. It was sooooo fun. Sure, You could sneak up on cop boats. That I agree. But no other thing than that.

 

 

8)  Gym, eating to keep up your stamina etc.....all gone. Realism for your character = gone.

Yeah, CJ was THAT realistic. AND annoying. Because it's so "gangsta" to be all buffed and thing, right? Pfff.

 

 

9)  Game map = a lot smaller. It sucks.  This is going backwards. It feels like GTA 3 all over again.  San Andreas set a standard.  This is going in the wrong direction.  Sure there are no load times when going inside some places now, but I DIDN'T CARE ABOUT THE LOAD TIMES IN SA. They were short and fast.

It's smaller in map general size. In scale it's way bigger than SA with it's out-of-scale map and lots of empty space. SA set a standard? So how can I have fun with IV and dislike SA?!

 

 

10) There is no option when cycling the radio to turn the radio off.  You have to hold the button down for a few seconds. This is annoying. Trying to drive, shoot, get away, whatever, and holding down a stupid button..........

Okay, here You have a good point.

 

 

San Andreas introduced us to customizing your character's fighting abilities by going to each dojo/boxer training and learning cool new moves. In GTA 4, we are stuck with the exact same punch combo for the entire game. It's clunky when you try to hit someone on the ground with melee weapons like a bat. There are only 2 melee weapons, bat and knife. That's it. Stealth kills was removed.

Cool new moves? Oh...err...ok? I mean, yeah, You could change the moves. AND? They all did the same f'n thing, same f'n damage. On melee weapons: yeah, I miss my good ol' katana...

 

 

13)  No parachute. This one is -huge-. How could they decide to remove this? With all of the tall buildings and skyscrapers, people would have a TON OF FUN going back to jump off of things. People loved to do it in GTA San Andreas but GTA 4 has even higher buildings to jump off of.

Yeah, how could they remove this?! I mean, I used once and found it like, huh, useless.. Then I never played the damn game again. I mean, HOW COULD THEY REMOVE THIS, MY LORD? Yeah.

 

 

What I'm trying to say: sorry if You're disappointed, but I really love the f'n game. And I just can't stand all the comparison with Saints Row and San Andreas. People don't like when You say: "so go play the damn thing and don't complain", but it's true. I did the same thing with SA. I really didn't have fun with it, so it found it's place in a dark box, with dust. Until I broke the f'n thing in half. And then I got to play Vice City again, because I found it more fun than SA. That's it.

 

Man, I understand that it didn't meet what You were expecting, but it's not like your opinion's the "damn true" to everyone.

 

 

 

 

[Dhatz]

how can anybody like VC more than SA? i don't want you to answer,but it sucked that badly i had no idea why it has to be that lame. no swimming, preset clothes, cars uggly as f*ck, lame animation, idiotic try to recreate 80's. all are big fail.

i don't say the animations were less realistic than CJ shooting backwards with guns aiming the hell. well,the cars sucked since III,VC had fancier reflection,but SA was madly moded,which saved every GTA from being a huge loss. almost all flaws of SA were fault of porting team that didn't pay enough attention. i played SA for 100% before doing a single real mod(i admit i changed colors to the end because they sucked badly,but i did that with every GTA.) I never reached 100 in VC or III because i'm not crazy enough to search for all hiden items just for stupid 100 stat. While for SA,i got a full item map before it came out for Pc.

 

what i wanted to say is: for me, a GTA is (and always was) some story done in missions and many side activities added just for fun.

now tell my how could i like VC more than SA?

 

i hate linear games. you play them once and it's f*cked. if IV won't get replayability by some miracle,it won't last any longer than any game i already stopped playing. The story thing seems to cause IV to look similiar to such games because no GTA had story before. Once it comes out,I'll make sure I'll compare my expectations with the real experience and bring you some interesting article.

[Snake Without a Tongue]

...idiotic try to recreate 80's. all are big fail.

It wasn't a fail at all. Not at the time. It was the coolest game ever when it first came out.

[GTAaddictforever]

the amount of people who were disappointed with Vice City - 0.00001%

 

amout of people who are disappointed with GTA 4 - 85%

[Crazy Asian]

the amount of people who were disappointed with Vice City - 0.00001%

 

amout of people who are disappointed with GTA 4 - 85%

^

Read under my avatar

[02134]

the amount of people who were disappointed with Vice City - 0.00001%

 

amout of people who are disappointed with GTA 4 -  85%

^

Read under my avatar

I actually think Vice City sucked, but it wasn't as bad as GTA IV. I just didn't like how small VC was.

[Crazy Asian]

In terms of III vs VC. I think I had more fun with VC, but I like III more.

[Flesh-n-Bone]

The OP deserves 1 million cookies for writing a perfect review like this.

 

etc...

 

SA is the best GTA, hands down - hell yeah!

[johnnyk1]

HUGE dissapointment??

 

agreed.

[PhilipO43]

Let's not go overboard on how great SA was, as it had it's faults as well as IV does.

 

How easily everyone forgets:

 

-CJ can get fully buffed/ripped in only 5 in game day.

 

-The planes made no sense since you could fly around the map in less then a real time minute.

 

-CJ can fully upgrade almost all his skills in as little as 20-30 in game days.

 

Now i can go on and on, so let's not go overboard and make SA out to be the perfect GTA, when it was very flawed itself, ok?

 

Should i go on about it's suspect mission structure, poor animations, bad on foot control, ice skating like driving, horrible sound effects, space cadet a.i for the npc's, textures repeated over and over, it's larger map that was mostly baron anyway..ect ?

 

Sure, GTA:IV is flawed, but so is every game, including SA.

 

And you know damn well Rockstar will add in a nice feature set into the 2 upcoming DLC's.

 

btw: My view, both are great games, however IV for me is the best in series, because it's core gameplay is finally up to current standards(good animations, added physics, better driving, a cover system, destructable structures) and the story and main character are easily the best in the series.

 

 

 

 

[timredd]

GTA IV is totally Boring

 

In my opinion

[johnnyk1]

GTA IV is totally Boring

 

In my opinion

X2

[williamcampbell]

 

GTA IV is totally Boring

 

In my opinion

Thanks for making sure to include "In my opinion". At least You're saying that this is what You think and not the "goddamn true above all things", like some people do. That's what makes me sick and tired.

 

I'm really sick and tired of people saying "OMG, sAnn endreas is da bestt evah!!!111!! evryune liks it!!!1!". I don't like it, I love IV and I can't say otherwise, because I REALLY love to play IV and I REALLY think that SA sucks. As I said in another topic, I just can't play another damn GTA without good realistic physics, for example. And it's not my fault or Rockstar's fault that some dumb people like to jump in front of a car or jump from a building and expect to not suffer damage. That's stupid.

 

In MY opinion, IV is not a "big time dissapointing". The story is lots of better than SA (maybe I just couldn't appreciate it because I really don't like all the "gangsta" crap, but, oh well...Still think it's lots better), at least I care for the characters right now, it's fun to go out with a friend (IMO), the city scale is a lot more real and better, You just can't compare the great physics of IV with the stupid-old-physics from SA and I'm really having the fun of my life with IV. But that's me. In any case, I can understand some points made by the "SA/Saints Row fanboys" (aren't we, that are having fun with IV, fanboys too, as You say? So...), but I just can't understand, with my goddamn mind, how can someone say things like "ZOMG, GTA IV SUCKS!!1!!!1!!" and even the stupid statement that "GTA IS THE WORST EVAH!!111!".

 

That's it. My 2 cents, I hope someone in this world understand.

Arigatou gozaimasu.

 

PS/EDIT: Oh, about VC being better than SA...I guess this is what You can call "personal enjoyment". I had way more fun with VC than I had with SA. SO WHAT?

Edited July 21, 2008 by williamcampbell

[mr_bungle]

GTA IV is totally Boring

 

In my opinion

Thanks for making sure to include "In my opinion". At least You're saying that this is what You think and not the "goddamn true above all things", like some people do. That's what makes me sick and tired.

 

I'm really sick and tired of people saying "OMG, sAnn endreas is da bestt evah!!!111!! evryune liks it!!!1!". I don't like it, I love IV and I can't say otherwise, because I REALLY love to play IV and I REALLY think that SA sucks. As I said in another topic, I just can't play another damn GTA without good realistic physics, for example. And it's not my fault or Rockstar's fault that some dumb people like to jump in front of a car or jump from a building and expect to not suffer damage. That's stupid.

 

In MY opinion, IV is not a "big time dissapointing". The story is lots of better than SA (maybe I just couldn't appreciate it because I really don't like all the "gangsta" crap, but, oh well...Still think it's lots better), at least I care for the characters right now, it's fun to go out with a friend (IMO), the city scale is a lot more real and better, You just can't compare the great physics of IV with the stupid-old-physics from SA and I'm really having the fun of my life with IV. But that's me. In any case, I can understand some points made by the "SA/Saints Row fanboys" (aren't we, that are having fun with IV, fanboys too, as You say? So...), but I just can't understand, with my goddamn mind, how can someone say things like "ZOMG, GTA IV SUCKS!!1!!!1!!" and even the stupid statement that "GTA IS THE WORST EVAH!!111!".

 

That's it. My 2 cents, I hope someone in this world understand.

Arigatou gozaimasu.

 

PS/EDIT: Oh, about VC being better than SA...I guess this is what You can call "personal enjoyment". I had way more fun with VC than I had with SA. SO WHAT?

I understand and agree! 100%!

 

Aaprt from the "Arigatou gozaimasu" part

[mkey82]

@williamcampbell: I understand. I don't agree, but I understand.

 

And you seem a bit confused about the term fanboy, so look it up. You are not a fanboy only because you like GTA IV.

 

 

Let's not go overboard on how great SA was, as it had it's faults as well as IV does.

Oh man, I love your posts. They clear up my bowels in no time. Thanks!

 

 

How easily everyone forgets:

Don't we?

 

 

-CJ can get fully buffed/ripped in only 5 in game day.

Yes he can. And yes, it's unrealistic. Unlike IV where Niko can't get better in ANY aspect, he can't learn ANYTHING. Realistic, isn't it ?

 

How do you reckon they should have done this? In a realistic way? So, CJ should train at least 3 times per week, take some proteins and keep doing that to get some improvement (maybe 15 to 20% on CJ's gauge) in body mass for AT LEAST 3 months. Yeah, a lot people would do this. Since there are some missions that require from you to get buffed (like learning the new moves and some girlfriends) they needed to make bodybuilding feasible, not realistic.

 

And this is besides the point, as body building is OPTIONAL. If you don't want to do it, don't.

 

 

-The planes made no sense since you could fly around the map in less then a real time minute.

Well, then helis in LC make no sense, when you can get from one end of the map to the other in less then one minute. What's up with that? Did you just discover an error in judgment (a useless feature if you will) in a 10/10 game (I believe this is your score)?

 

 

-CJ can fully upgrade almost all his skills in as little as 20-30 in game days.

See above. The same applies, one will spend some 20 to 30 days while playing the game. If upgrading took 6 months (in-game), what would be the point of having upgrades if only a fraction of people would use them? SA is not an RPG, it's an action game with a lot of various influences.

 

 

Now i can go on and on, so let's not go overboard and make SA out to be the perfect GTA, when it was very flawed itself, ok?

Good for you and us.

 

 

Should i go on about it's suspect mission structure,

Well, there are no disappearing characters. The cutscenes are not long and boring, they are more right to the point. You get the chance to meet your foes right from the beginning and with that you have time to grow your hate for them (like Ryder which I really enjoyed killing because he was an dushebag IMO). The characters are nicely intertwined, there is some reason you work for them, so CJ doesn't seem like a plain hired goon.

 

Gee, what game has all of the stuff mentioned above?

 

 

poor animations,

Yes, this game has been created on YEARS old hardware, people tend to remember as PS2. When you take into account they (R*) DIDN'T have any time (nor will) to develop a new and better engine for SA which PS2 couldn't sustain anyway the physics and graphics are what they are. Limited and old. In fact PS2 limited it in such a way, people were able to reverse engineer it and make it look A LOT better on PC without any support from R*'s part.

 

 

bad on foot control,

I don't get this one.

 

 

ice skating like driving,

You have actually played SA, right?

 

 

horrible sound effects,

Well, most of the content had a "cartoony" feel because PS2 just couldn't handle high res textures. Animations were very limited and so were the sounds. Thank god there is a capable GTA PC community which were able to rehabilitate the game enough to make it seem like it wasn't developed for and outdated platform.

 

 

space cadet a.i for the npc's,

I don't get it.

 

 

textures repeated over and over,

Yeah, PS2 again.

 

 

it's larger map that was mostly baron anyway..ect ?

Well not larger, A LOT larger map. And THREE large towns, as well as a number of smaller ones. This collides a bit with your thread where you stated LC is larger then SA, no?

 

 

Sure, GTA:IV is flawed, but so is every game, including SA.

 

 

And you know damn well Rockstar will add in a nice feature set into the 2 upcoming DLC's.

 

btw: My view, both are great games, however IV for me is the best in series, because it's core gameplay is finally up to current standards(good animations, added physics, better driving, a cover system, destructable structures) and the story and main character are easily the best in the series.

Actually, we don't know anything about the DLC. For example, will it fix crappy radio stations? Probably not. Will it fix lagging and framerate drops? Probably not as there is only one way to fix those. Move to a more capable platform.

 

All in all, a job well done.

[ceedot]

The realism sucks in IV. You either have too much or too less in an aspect.

 

 

I have to say, if it was on more disks for the 360 Rockstar could have done more. I think they really just got lazy and f*cked up because they thought everyone would like this sh*t game because it says 'GTA' on it.

[Chadg]

I don't know why you guys are bitching about the game, I still don't find it boring after beating it twice. If you want to complain about a damn game, go work for and tell them how sh*tty GTAIV is

[mr_bungle]

@williamcampbell: I understand. I don't agree, but I understand.

 

And you seem a bit confused about the term fanboy, so look it up. You are not a fanboy only because you like GTA IV.

 

 

Let's not go overboard on how great SA was, as it had it's faults as well as IV does.

Oh man, I love your posts. They clear up my bowels in no time. Thanks!

 

 

How easily everyone forgets:

Don't we?

 

 

-CJ can get fully buffed/ripped in only 5 in game day.

Yes he can. And yes, it's unrealistic. Unlike IV where Niko can't get better in ANY aspect, he can't learn ANYTHING. Realistic, isn't it ?

 

How do you reckon they should have done this? In a realistic way? So, CJ should train at least 3 times per week, take some proteins and keep doing that to get some improvement (maybe 15 to 20% on CJ's gauge) in body mass for AT LEAST 3 months. Yeah, a lot people would do this. Since there are some missions that require from you to get buffed (like learning the new moves and some girlfriends) they needed to make bodybuilding feasible, not realistic.

 

And this is besides the point, as body building is OPTIONAL. If you don't want to do it, don't.

 

 

-The planes made no sense since you could fly around the map in less then a real time minute.

Well, then helis in LC make no sense, when you can get from one end of the map to the other in less then one minute. What's up with that? Did you just discover an error in judgment (a useless feature if you will) in a 10/10 game (I believe this is your score)?

 

 

-CJ can fully upgrade almost all his skills in as little as 20-30 in game days.

See above. The same applies, one will spend some 20 to 30 days while playing the game. If upgrading took 6 months (in-game), what would be the point of having upgrades if only a fraction of people would use them? SA is not an RPG, it's an action game with a lot of various influences.

 

 

Now i can go on and on, so let's not go overboard and make SA out to be the perfect GTA, when it was very flawed itself, ok?

Good for you and us.

 

 

Should i go on about it's suspect mission structure,

Well, there are no disappearing characters. The cutscenes are not long and boring, they are more right to the point. You get the chance to meet your foes right from the beginning and with that you have time to grow your hate for them (like Ryder which I really enjoyed killing because he was an dushebag IMO). The characters are nicely intertwined, there is some reason you work for them, so CJ doesn't seem like a plain hired goon.

 

Gee, what game has all of the stuff mentioned above?

 

 

poor animations,

Yes, this game has been created on YEARS old hardware, people tend to remember as PS2. When you take into account they (R*) DIDN'T have any time (nor will) to develop a new and better engine for SA which PS2 couldn't sustain anyway the physics and graphics are what they are. Limited and old. In fact PS2 limited it in such a way, people were able to reverse engineer it and make it look A LOT better on PC without any support from R*'s part.

 

 

bad on foot control,

I don't get this one.

 

 

ice skating like driving,

You have actually played SA, right?

 

 

horrible sound effects,

Well, most of the content had a "cartoony" feel because PS2 just couldn't handle high res textures. Animations were very limited and so were the sounds. Thank god there is a capable GTA PC community which were able to rehabilitate the game enough to make it seem like it wasn't developed for and outdated platform.

 

 

space cadet a.i for the npc's,

I don't get it.

 

 

textures repeated over and over,

Yeah, PS2 again.

 

 

it's larger map that was mostly baron anyway..ect ?

Well not larger, A LOT larger map. And THREE large towns, as well as a number of smaller ones. This collides a bit with your thread where you stated LC is larger then SA, no?

 

 

Sure, GTA:IV is flawed, but so is every game, including SA.

 

 

And you know damn well Rockstar will add in a nice feature set into the 2 upcoming DLC's.

 

btw: My view, both are great games, however IV for me is the best in series, because it's core gameplay is finally up to current standards(good animations, added physics, better driving, a cover system, destructable structures) and the story and main character are easily the best in the series.

Actually, we don't know anything about the DLC. For example, will it fix crappy radio stations? Probably not. Will it fix lagging and framerate drops? Probably not as there is only one way to fix those. Move to a more capable platform.

 

All in all, a job well done.

Wow. You review like everyones posts...

[WellsMcK]

 

10) There is no option when cycling the radio to turn the radio off. You have to hold the button down for a few seconds. This is annoying. Trying to drive, shoot, get away, whatever, and holding down a stupid button..........

Oh yeah, because it's much easier to search for no radio option every time you get into a car.

If you had to search for the radio off option while trying to drive, shoot, and get away it would have been harder.

Complaining about the new good options.

[mkey82]

Wow. You review like everyones posts...

Sorry, in the future I will try to make only stupid, pointless and unwanted comments.

[TT1987]

Some people are really obsessed with San Andreas. Chances are they will never like any of the upcoming GTAs in my opinion

[RONIN1191]

Some people are really obsessed with San Andreas. Chances are they will never like any of the upcoming GTAs in my opinion

I think its less about that and more of '...some people are obsessed with arguing for the same of argument'; the day after the premier of the next big installment I'm sure those very same folks extolling the virtues of SA will then have something to complain about the newest offering, in which IV will probably be fondly remembered as the last best installment.

 

Here it is, 4 months after release and the same points are being argued ad nauseum. Just let it go already.

[willmo]

I have played every GTA game.

 

The best one still is Grand Theft Auto : San Andreas. Hands down, no discussion.

 

 

This GTA 4 is basically an updated GTA 3. It sucks but I will play the rest of the game and beat it anyway. The Cops N Crooks multiplayer is fun if I get boss, that's about all I can think is fun about this crap. With all of the detail in this game, there isn't even a first-person mode to look around. If you want to ZOOM in on detail that rockstar thought would make GTA 4 great, you have to get a sniper gun or something cause you can't look with your character. Geez.

 

 

1) The character slants when he walks/runs. When you turn while walking or running, he slants so bad it's not even realistic anymore. What the hell is that? He has a funny sense of gravity. Horrible.

 

2) No planes. Yes, we know that already. Moving on.

 

3) The cars suck. They look beautiful, but they suck. The handling is HORRIBLE. H-O-R-R-I-B-L-E. Turning while at high speeds is a no-no. If you brake to make a hard turn and compensate, your car peels out and slips and slides and you lose control. This alone is a horrible change to the game. All other GTA games had it down. Heck, EVEN SAINTS ROW HAS A BETTER CAR SYSTEM THAN THIS.

 

 

4) The shooting system. It sucks. Bad. Even if you put it to 'Basic' in the options, it's still a damn CHORE to aim and shoot. It's horrible.

 

4-B ) NO DUAL WIELDING GUNS [email protected]?!?!? why, rockstar, WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

5) Moronic rag doll physics for Nico. If he gets nudged by a car, dives out of a car, or falls over in a weird way, he goes through this annoying animation and you have to wait for him to get up. If you have ever played Saints Row, you know you have seen this before. GTA 4 basically copied it, and it's annoying.

 

 

6) The Wanted stars system is changed. Now it's basically the Scarface system, where you have to 'lose the cops' by leaving the circle on your radar. It's too easy and it's frustrating AT THE SAME TIME! Why? Yes, it's TOO easy to lose the cops....but the cops SPAWN IN FRONT OF YOUR PATH, so you have to brake to a stop and just sit there. Ugh.

 

 

7) You can't swim underwater anymore and see marine life. In San Andreas, you can see fish, dolphins, turtles. I think even a shark. You could jump off highways and bridges into the water and dive to get away from the cops. Their bullets barely hit you while underwater and you could sneak up on cop boats. It was a fun way to get away from police. Swimming underwater = win.

 

8) Gym, eating to keep up your stamina etc.....all gone. Realism for your character = gone.

 

9) Game map = a lot smaller. It sucks. This is going backwards. It feels like GTA 3 all over again. San Andreas set a standard. This is going in the wrong direction. Sure there are no load times when going inside some places now, but I DIDN'T CARE ABOUT THE LOAD TIMES IN SA. They were short and fast.

 

10) There is no option when cycling the radio to turn the radio off. You have to hold the button down for a few seconds. This is annoying. Trying to drive, shoot, get away, whatever, and holding down a stupid button..........

 

 

11) Lack of interiors

Ok, so Rockstar went for living breathing realistic game right? So how come 99% of all buildings are still unavailable to players? We do not have the freedom to go anywhere in the city because the buildings are basically walls that look like a building with windows on it. This has not progressed at all.

 

 

12) Lack of close combat fighting

Killing pedestrians isn't fun anymore. Only knife and bat as melee weapons, and only basic combo attack.

 

San Andreas introduced us to customizing your character's fighting abilities by going to each dojo/boxer training and learning cool new moves. In GTA 4, we are stuck with the exact same punch combo for the entire game. It's clunky when you try to hit someone on the ground with melee weapons like a bat. There are only 2 melee weapons, bat and knife. That's it. Stealth kills was removed.

 

It's just NOT fun to fight peds anymore......and only bat and knife as melee weapons? Maybe it's coming to DLContent, anyone? This was a lame move by Rockstar.

 

 

13) No parachute. This one is -huge-. How could they decide to remove this? With all of the tall buildings and skyscrapers, people would have a TON OF FUN going back to jump off of things. People loved to do it in GTA San Andreas but GTA 4 has even higher buildings to jump off of.

 

Just add the parachute for those who love to use it. In San Andreas, I actually did a few missions by flying via plane/helicopter and then parachuting down to my mission and start shooting tounge.gif

 

 

14) No properties to buy So......what do I do with my money? With all of the buildings in GTA 4....... they couldn't add tons of stuff to buy? Businesses, safehouses......anything.......

No feeling of being a big time player. Just some street bum named Niko who came to America to get revenge. No ambition whatsoever. The end. Wow, real interesting. Maybe next game you can have me play as Grand Theft Auto : BIll Gates - The Nerd adventures. He'd be more interesting than Niko. At least with Bill Gates, I can buy anything I want.

 

 

15) No gang territory

You can pretty much go anywhere in the entire city that you want to go. As long as you don't shoot anyone or wield your gun, you can go anywhere. In GTA 3, VC, and San Andreas, there were turfs for each gang and if you went there, you could be shot at if you were seen. GTA 4 is a safe place to be. You won't see gang areas and nobody will mess with you....and that means there is nobody for you to mess with either.

 

 

16) No firetruck missions anymore

 

Nothing to explain here. There are fire trucks in GTA 4. However, I have yet to see a fire. Cars aren't on fire when they blow up in GTA 4. It just goes away so I have yet to see a use for a fire truck, to be honest. Fire trucks are useless in GTA 4 because nothing catches fire. Maybe they didn't finish the game so that's why they couldn't add these side missions?

 

17) No paramedic missions anymore. They could have added this. Don't know why they didn't.

 

 

18) Added Taxi driver missions. These are an endless side-mission given by Roman. However, they are not timed and there are basically no conditions. Just get there alive with your passenger, no matter how long it took you or the condition of the car. Insanely boring.

 

BORING.

 

 

19) When on 6 star wanted level, just fly in a helicopter. No problem. IT SUCKS. The only things to chase you is OTHER helicopters, and you can ALWAYS OUTFLY THEM. You are ALWAYS faster than the AI helicopters. It's really stupid. what's the point of having 5 or 6 stars if you are in the air? Nothing gets you.

 

In SA, jets come and fire missiles at you and choppers can keep up with you.

 

 

 

Game is beautiful. However, I wipe my butt with beautiful detail. I don't care if a soda can says Koke on it when I zoom in. It's useless. Give me bigger areas.

 

 

It really feels like this game is a frankenstein of Scarface, Saints Row, GTA 3, and a few others. This franchise has gone backwards. It doesn't even feel like the same people who made the earlier games made this one. It feels like people who are less capable and less intelligent made this GTA 4 than the people who made GTA San Andreas and Vice city.

 

 

GTA copied Scarface

GTA copied Saints row

GTA even copied an old GTA game, GTA 3.

 

this is bad.

 

 

 

 

 

I got this game at midnight. I waited in line for 2 1/2 hours waiting for the release. I am really dissapointed.

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