Concerned parents rant on sex in GTAIV

[Danny-Vain]

This is the "reward" effect of masturbation, the "reward" of sex as it were.

 

 

Well Thats True... Im 16 And What you Sayd Preety much Got To Me.. (should be published) i meen im sane enough not to go out a murder people or go violent... i meen this is starting up like the "Hot Coffee" Incident... But People Have Gotta Remember That Not Everything That Happens to Theyre Kids Is Videogame Violence or Videogame Sex... Most Of It Is The Actual Media And Internet... All The Videos, Websites, P2P Sites, Torrent, Porn, Violence, Racism I could keep going but you get my point Its Not Just One Thing And People Say i know its not one thing but ermm theyre acting like its one thing

 

By The Way Nice Quote XD

[Mafioso86]

i actually agree to a certain extent. I mean watching the IGN video with all the whores was a bit much for me... I mean will it make me not get the game? No... though I could really care less if that was in the game or not. The issue I see with sex as opposed to violence is a very psychological one. Most people playing grand theft auto, be them 13 or 35 are never going to steal a car in their life... sex is completely different in that regard. Here is something that people will actually do at some point in there life. And what are the effects if you have teenage boys suddenly first becoming comfortable with sexuality through a video game rather than an actual relationship? The psycho-social effects have the potential to be somewhat troubling. I've studied a lot of psychology in my time and things like this can have really nasty results. A lot of serial killers and stalkers and rapists come out of individuals who never learned how to relate to others and express themselves... an obsession with pornography and no social life/skills are two very common traits of these individuals. By no means am I saying, "Oh it should be made illegal," I don't think anyone really has the right to dictate that kind of thing over other people's lives... if they want to play porn video games they have the right to. However had I made the game I would have put much less time into developing the dancing strippers and more into actual gameplay. But that's me.

[kaotik]

... sex is completely different in that regard. Here is something that people will actually do at some point in there life. And what are the effects if you have teenage boys suddenly first becoming comfortable with sexuality through a video game rather than an actual relationship?

While I agree with you, it's irrelevant. Young boys should not be playing this game, period. It has a rating for a reason.

[Sintwar]

I look at games no different than I look at movies. There are movies that show much more than GTA probably does, and nobody is saying a damn think about them.

 

I just saw a comedy movie, "Good luck Chuck" (Very funny movie), that probably has more raw sex scenes than I have ever seen in an actual hard core porn movie. And I have seen quite a few hard core porn movies.

 

It didn't show the actual penetration, but if you have seen the movie, then you know exactly what I am talking about.

 

Now, would I want my child to see that movie? Most likely not. But I sure as hell would not write some 3 page rant about it, and start a public outcry about how Good luck chuck is going to be the downfall of our civilization.

 

That is just the tip of the iceberg though really. These days we have TV series about serial killers (Dexter), the Mafia (Sopranos), Drug dealing (Weeds), and just about every other "questionable" subject out there. And yet not a single one of them even comes close to scratching the surface of the sh*t that GTA gets from mindless, ignorant people who fail to see how a game is any different whatsoever from any movie or TV show out there.

 

And the fact that you control the actor is irrelevant. You become just as consumed by any movie character as you do a game character.

 

 

 

[QwertyAAA]

Why should it be up to Rockstar to tell everyone whats in the game? Which movie studio does that?

 

Answer is NONE.

 

Its NOT Rockstars fault that the label doesn't contain "Graphic Sexual Content".

 

Geeze dude, i mean seriously...

 

*Stuff going on for half a page. People start yawning.*

Nah, nah, people like YOU help Jack Thompson. You see, it IS Rockstar's fault that the label doesn't contain "Graphic Sexual Content". You know why? Because there isn't any.

Also, if the adult buys the game for a 14 year old kid, they realize thet the kid is mature enough.

Says a person who started playing at 15.

 

[Macauley]

I understand what is being said, it actually was an interesting read.

 

I think that deciding whether or not a teenager is mature enough to watch or play video games with sex and violence that understands what context it is should be left to the parent or guardian. I know people who are in their 20's and have played them on XBox LIVE who are at a lower level of maturity then others I know that are 13. There are many like that on this forum.

 

So I think you should decide whether to get this game for you child or not. If you think they a maturely old enough to play GTA IV, then let them.

 

Just don't be surprised when they get upset and moan.

[Krumbz]

 

I'm 31. Been playin' videogames since the days of the Atari 2600 and even before then. I have a 2 year old boy and a 3 week old baby girl.

 

As a parent, now, I don't know EXACTLY how I will feel until my son, Jaden, reaches about 12 - 14 yrs old. It's still quite a ways off.

 

With that said... if you don't agree with the content of a game... and are unsure of what it contains... don't let your child play it.

 

This game is rated M for a reason. 17 +. Of course these cunning, oh so clever yet under age kids find ways to play it anyhow.

 

The real problem is definitely with the ESRB.

 

Here's an opinion... a suggestion if you will.

 

There should be a rating above M... (I believe there is... but not 100%. It's "A" for Adult isn't it???)... and those titles should be set aside in a "Age verified" section of the store or simply behind the counter and out of sight and reach for younger gamers.

 

If a title has TOO MUCH violence or any form of sex... the games like that should be labeled, stocked and sold appropriately... to the right audience.

 

Fact is... a HUGE percentage of adults play video games... we grew up on them and will play until we are in senior citizens homes and can't feed ourselves. This HUGE percentage is often ignored by the media... either because A. they are uninformed or B. they associate the word "video game" with a much younger demographic.

 

Truth is it's a little of both. And SOME parents share those same feelings.

 

But things will get better soon. Everyone in my age group plays video games and as we grow older - the general feelings about video games that WE have will grow with us... and not unlike me... us elder video gamers will slowly help to change the ignorant mentality that is - the media.

 

And so on and so forth.

 

Blah blah blah.

 

Basically... for the time being... don't let your kids play games that are too mature in content. And if you're unsure about said content... don't let them play it.

 

*They will end up playing it regardless though. If not play it... all they need nowadays is Youtube and you can see just about anything you wish.

 

But as a parent you can at least try your best.

 

Goodluck!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[QwertyAAA]

The game is already leaked. Any idiot with a chipped 360 can play it without consent.

Also, GTAMissions will start posting mission videos. Among other people and other things.

[Krumbz]

I look at games no different than I look at movies. There are movies that show much more than GTA probably does, and nobody is saying a damn think about them.

 

I just saw a comedy movie, "Good luck Chuck" (Very funny movie), that probably has more raw sex scenes than I have ever seen in an actual hard core porn movie. And I have seen quite a few hard core porn movies.

 

It didn't show the actual penetration, but if you have seen the movie, then you know exactly what I am talking about.

 

Now, would I want my child to see that movie? Most likely not. But I sure as hell would not write some 3 page rant about it, and start a public outcry about how Good luck chuck is going to be the downfall of our civilization.

 

That is just the tip of the iceberg though really. These days we have TV series about serial killers (Dexter), the Mafia (Sopranos), Drug dealing (Weeds), and just about every other "questionable" subject out there. And yet not a single one of them even comes close to scratching the surface of the sh*t that GTA gets from mindless, ignorant people who fail to see how a game is any different whatsoever from any movie or TV show out there.

 

And the fact that you control the actor is irrelevant. You become just as consumed by any movie character as you do a game character.

 

Sintwar for the win!

[SpyderSp]

first of all i don't mean to sound rude or anything because even tho am not a parent yet i can only imagine you want the best for your child as anyone in here does.

 

but If you would have sent this letter to R* maybe and i mean maybe you would have gotten your point across but posting it here wont get you anywhere, just a few reply from people but thats about it , now if you don't like what is in the game ,then

 

1.its too late to because its already done and

2.if you are the parent and you are in control then don't let your children play the game or buy it.

 

I am 22yrs old and right now i don't have any kids but i think that if i had the problem that i don't like what rappers are saying in their music,if i don't like what i see on the movies,if i don't like what i see in the games (which are rated mature for a reason) then i wouldn't waste my time giving those people a hard time just because i don't want my children to hear,see or play those things. the real solution is don't let them and if they do then thats your problem , learn how to control your kids after all you are the parent.and i think there are worst things to worry about like smoking,guns,drugs and other things. so why blame Rockstar for just do what they do best make good games. is not like they are selling drugs or cigarettes to kids.

 

and in conclusion and this is for all the parents out there : if your kid is younger than 17 and he gets his hands on a 17+ only for mature game then i think you need to worry about your parenting skills and find a way to let him know you are the parent and if you say he cant play those games ,he cant. instead of wasting your time blaming the people who make it just because you cant control your kids

[thesm]

Jac thompson plzz dnt sue us we dnt do nthing bad i sware!!! u gotta believe us man, we aint do nuthing bad.

 

But seriously, piss off. Your stupid.

 

You cant control what kids do or watch, let kids be them selves. OMmgmgmggg sexz in gta makes real life sex ooohohohoh, who the f*ck cares, its sex.

Edited April 28, 2008 by thesm

[SpyderSp]

If a title has TOO MUCH violence or any form of sex... the games like that should be labeled, stocked and sold appropriately... to the right audience.

i believe they already do that, they ask for id and everything but what good is that when they (the kids) get someone else to buy it for them , sometimes even the parent, and then the parent have the courage to blame rockstar for making such a game .

[ToasterKing]

 

Cliffs: Get off the drugs, grown an attention span and READ it.

 

Now, I understand there is a very large number of kids on this forum, both those under 17, and those over 17. I am well aware that what I am about to post will be met largely with criticism from those kids, however I need to get this off my chest and hopefully in front of a Rockstar employee if they read these forums.

 

First and foremost, I DO NOT advocate the banning of GTAIV in any way shape or form. I love the game, the series and everything about it. Hell, I wrote one of the first video walkthroughs of GTAIII still hosted with gta3.com (unfortunately I lost all the videos in pictures about the same time as the website went down) ... I digress ...

 

I have a problem with Rockstar ... quite a big problem as of GTAIV. Its not the sex itself that I have a problem with so much as the fact that Rockstar wont "man up" and detail all the activities that a player can complete in the game, specifically in relation to said sex acts.

 

As a parent, I would like to know all the activities that can be completed by a player so I can determine if my teenage son can play the game. LOL IRONY WHAT ABOUT THE VIOLENCE DUH calm down children, let me explain as best I can for your obviously limited intelligence on the issue of sex and violence in video games.

 

Violence in and of itself is not disturbing, it begins in the playground and is sensationalised regularly in the news, music, movies and computer games. Children grow up with violence in the DAILY lives. However, children DO NOT grow up with sex in their daily lives (I mean sexual acts, not sexuality) - meaning there arent billboards of a man getting a headjob on every highway, nor are there advertisements on television for strip joints with the john getting a lap dance during the evening sitcoms.

 

Sex in a young teen male is like amphetamines, if you are 14 or so, hell even older will work as well, try not jerking off for a month ... let those people around you know to pay attention to your moods. I guarantee that within a week you will become moody, angry even violent (potentially) unless you are a little catholic boy who already doesnt spill his seed because it will piss god off ... thats beside the point. However, as soon as you jerk off, the "pressure" (mental) as it were will be released and your mood immediately will calm down. This is the "reward" effect of masturbation, the "reward" of sex as it were.

 

The problem is when you combine the sexual acts with either immediately preceeding or following violence that it becomes a serious issue ... in males during puberty there is a very real danger that the association of a violent act followed/preceeded by sexual act can glorify that violent act providing sex as the reward for violence ... this as you can imagine is very dangerous, and for the most part many here will say "I was looking at bondage on the internet when I was 9yo and I am now 18 and I am OK" ... well sure, but are you really? ... How many here are incapable of having an actual INTIMATE relationship? Most here get ballsy with "Ahh f*ck off bitch" and thats the actual realisation of the problem, you are incapable of intimacy with a partner because you werent taught intimacy, you were taught objectification (internet porn, etc). Its this objectification of sex, emasculated by violence that I have a problem with. Sexual respect and intimacy are in sharp decline in favour of short f*cks and casual relationships, its pretty clear in society today, and its a symptom of a much larger underlying problem. This can tentatively but with confidence be linked back to a violent nature, while not physically manifested, it is manifested by ambivelence and lack of intimacy in a relationship ... a lack of respect as it were.

 

It takes alot of balls to take a step back and see the reality, and I doubt many under 25s here will be able to without resorting to calling me names and carrying on like 13yo kids who have just had their internet porn taken off them.

 

I dont have a problem with the voilence and the sex in the game for someone who is mature enough to handle it (and the fact the 13yo kids here will say "I am mature enough" proves they arent) as long as you are capable of differentiating the sexual and violent behaviour, which unfortunately most teens arent able to do. Its a little thing called conditioning (see references to Pavlovs Dog on wikipedia for more info).

 

I am not a prude of a parent, I dont have a problem with my teenage kids seeing sex (both stylised and strong) as long as its contextualised correctly without violence present within a close approximate timeframe. In essence, I wouldnt have a problem letting my kids play GTAIV if it wasnt for the simulated sex present.

 

This isnt a case of supervision (there needs to be an element of trust in every parental relationship) this is more about the fact that kids just cannot be trusted to tell the truth when it really counts. Kids lie ... when a kid wants something they wont tell the truth, there wouldnt be any kid under 17 here who would honestly say to their parents "Hey, can you buy me GTAIV, it has handjobs and lapdances with strippers" ... yeah sure, record the event on video and post on youtube and you will be a legend.

 

Basically I am thankful that GTAIV was leaked on the internet, and *accidentally* released early by some shops, the handjob video was released as a result before the actual full release date, and as now I am an informed parent who can make the informed decision not to play the game when the kids are around/awake/whatever. I for one certainly hope other parents will learn of the content before falling to their childrens lies of "Its OK mom, its just a bit of shooting like the other one I play" or "But mom, Johns mom bought it for him so it must be OK".

 

Its unfortunate for Rockstar that the game was pirated and the street date was broken, however as a consumer I have less sympathy for them because they were not forthright enough with the public to inform parents of the full nature of the content prior to the release date, instead now parents will buy the game on their kids insitence, and when they discover the sexual content will freak out and there WILL be a much larger sh*tstorm than Hot Coffee ever produced.

 

The ESRB is wholely inadequate for describing the ACTUAL nature of the content ... the public has an individual approach to what is considered strong sexual content, some parents may consider themselves quite liberal and see the ESRB rating of strong sexual content thinking its fairly innocent as depicted in the previous GTA games, and therefore they see the warning and ignore it based on previous history. However these same parents will be the ones knocking R* door down when they discover what their kids can actually do in the game. So please, dont pull the ESRB card on me, it wont work and I am not interested in what 3 little words say in comparison to the actual content. I consider the actual content as "Graphic sexual content" not "Strong sexual content" and many parents will agree with the slight difference in distinction.

 

Rockstar can avoid all the negative publicity (although I firmly believe they revel in it) if they would be a little more forthright and public about the full length and breadth of the content so that those parents who they DONT want the game to get in the hands of their children ... wont let it get into their hands. Help inform the consumers before the purchase and you will avoid all the negativity associated with parents screaming at their children enjoying the hooker giving Niko a handjob.

 

ESRB only gos so far, its inneffective as is clearly indicated by the large number of children who love the fact their parents are too stupid to find out about the content in the game before they buy it for them, its unfortunate, however Rockstar can help by being a little more forthright and helping inform those parents before the sh*t hits the fan.

 

Thanks for your time, and I am already wearing the flame suit. If you reply with anything I have covered in my post that doesnt include an intelligent counter, then dont be surprised if I do not reply to you, especially WAHH ESRB etc.

you make a point sir, BUT the fact that it is rated 17 and up cleary says its not for kids and you cant really blame rockstar for not saying what is in it. these games are not for kids and i really cant stand to see these topics that come up about parents angry about there kid not being allowed to play because it harms their virgin minds, plus alittle exsposure to stuff like that makes them less innoying because they stop saying Cuddies and start saying Boobies.

[Jowpers]

First off I'll just say that if you want the respect of your audience you should avoid saying things like:

 

"calm down children, let me explain as best I can for your obviously limited intelligence on the issue of sex and violence in video games".

 

However, I do agree with your main point. I think (from what I have seen) that Rockstar went too far with the sex, and as you say, mixing sex and violence is a very bad thing. Women are certainly treated as objects in the game: hopefully there will be some strong female characters in the story to help even this out a bit. The sex in the game really is aimed at teenage boys, despite the fact that it's sold only to adults. I can't image the animated sex scenes and sex humour is a draw for most adult men, it's not for me. I agree with the rating and I really don't think teenage boys should be playing this game. I do, however, think that Rockstar have purposefully targeted a younger audience.

 

I love this game, I think it's a rather clever satire of American 'culture', but it is very definately an adult game and should not be played by anyone who is strongly impressionable (regardless of age). I wouldn't buy it for a teenager and personally I think doing so is irresponsible parenting. I'd personally like the game more if they took out the hooker bashing elements and toned down the language. The violence is certainly bad, but Rockstar (in the past at least) have very purposefully steered it towards black humour and away from absolute realism. I hope this trend has continued, having people beg for their lives, scream in pain as they bleed to death, etc (which has been done in some games) would be inappropriate and would certainly warp a young mind.

[Mafioso86]

... sex is completely different in that regard. Here is something that people will actually do at some point in there life. And what are the effects if you have teenage boys suddenly first becoming comfortable with sexuality through a video game rather than an actual relationship?

While I agree with you, it's irrelevant. Young boys should not be playing this game, period. It has a rating for a reason.

yeah... you're right about that. I think the problem some parents are having now is related to sympathy. When I was 10 playing mortal combat... my parents had nothing from their childhood to compare that to, there were no violent graphic video games back then. They let me play it, but I had friends whose parents wouldn't. Now, I am old enough to be a parent and if I had a 13 year old son coming to me asking to play GTA I wouldn't want to say no. I'd feel like an asshole or "the man," and maybe that's just a sign of my maturity, and I'll be the first to say that I am in no way ready to be a parent right now, but there are 17 year olds having kids now. When that kid is 13, Dad's going to be 30 and likely still more of a rebellious young man than a responsible wise adult. What's the solution? I have no idea.... just sharing my thoughts.

[lepoisson]

@ Krumbz, if you are reading, yes there is an AO rating, but I think one game has only ever gotten it (don't remember). The problem with it is that it carries the stigma of 21+ (I think), and also it is a label for basically pornographic games, or like a rape simulator or something (trying to think of something rediculous that won't happen). If you took GTA IV and gave it a system that allowed you to hack off limbs or mutiliate people violently, allowed you to have sex and explicitly show everything happenening, something like that would warrant the label. Like I said, it just doesn't happen because nobody is going to make a game that's not going to sell.

[thesm]

@ Krumbz, if you are reading, yes there is an AO rating, but I think one game has only ever gotten it (don't remember). The problem with it is that it carries the stigma of 21+ (I think), and also it is a label for basically pornographic games, or like a rape simulator or something (trying to think of something rediculous that won't happen). If you took GTA IV and gave it a system that allowed you to hack off limbs or mutiliate people violently, allowed you to have sex and explicitly show everything happenening, something like that would warrant the label. Like I said, it just doesn't happen because nobody is going to make a game that's not going to sell.

Actully like 100 games have gotten it.

 

www.esrb.com

[Copilot]

I just have to post this image because I really think it sums up the parents of these days. I hope in 20 years when my children are teenagers parents will think of killing a person is worse then a man and a women having sex, one of which is considered dirty and disgusting these days, even though it is something almost the whole world does. The fact that putting a private part of your body into a partners private part is worse then blowing up someone's car while they are in it or slitting someones throat is absurd

 

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/3540/1208045316399gu3.jpg

 

The one thing I don't like about the esrb ratings is that if someone turns 17 they are all the sudden mature enough to play gta4. You gain maturity by having a good upbringing and understanding the world. There are plenty of immature 17 year olds, you can easily see that by playing halo 3 on xbox live, and on CS:S

Edited April 28, 2008 by Copilot

[defibrillator]

When I was younger, I never associated sex with violence. I have had intimate relationships and not so intimate ones as well. The majority of us are not monkeys. We can differentiate between a video game and real life. Just because my video game character sleeps with a hooker, does not mean I would ever do so in real life. Honestly the only times I've had to use guns or violence against other people was before I started playing Grand Theft Auto. I've shot people, but GTA didn't teach me how to do that. I've beat the sh*t out of people with a baseball bat and GTA didn't do that to me either. It's the environment you live in that puts you in situations like those. But overall, by the time your kids are teenagers you need to have a sex talk with them. Telling us how you feel is great and all, but if you can tell your kids about sex and how to appreciate it rather than want it all the time will make them more mature than just expecting them to figure it out. I think all kids within reason should be able to play grand theft auto. As long as their parents explain to them the importance of the difference of reality and video games. This in a sense would be a major stepping stone in their progression of maturity. I don't have a child, but I know I would constantly be teaching them and letting them know how to act. It's important to open up the world to your children gradually rather than to shun them from it for 18 years then just let it hit them. And if you don't let you're children mature at a steady pace, or even at an alarming one, I can guarantee they are going to learn just as bad things for their age from children that they go to school with. It's about being a good parent and it will never be on the game creators hands. It will always be on yours. Don't want your kids to play gta? Don't buy it. Find out what they are playing and make sure they don't have it. Don't trust them enough? Don't buy them a console. Don't let them go to their friends house who has one. Know what your kid is doing, and don't assume they are going to get deranged and there is nothing you can do about it. It's the parent's responsibility, and the second they blame someone else, is the second they are admitting to their own fault, whether they make that public or not.

[thesm]

God damn this is turning into mens health class, go to yahoo anwsers kiddies!!

[bonesmccoy]

Hmm, interesting post. Shame that almost 60% respondents thought you were simply complaining about the presence of simulated sex, rather than the association of simulated sex and simulated violence.

 

 

[SpyderSp]

It's the parent's responsibility, and the second they blame someone else, is the second they are admitting to their own fault, whether they make that public or not.

thank you ! thats the problem , parents now days don't want to do their job as parents , they let their kids do whatever they want . i am 22 right now and my parents still would kick my ass just like they used to when i was young ,but now parents are scared of their kids , so they just blame everyone else but themselves.

[miller23]

what handjob video?

[nicotin3]

1st of all and since you are is AUS land it is known that the AUS/NZ versions are toned down in respect to some of the things you are concerned about. You might want to check out your area specific version before jumping to a conclusion.

 

2nd i dont believe the way the game portrays sex, violence and a combination of the two (great point there) will influence a 15+ year old teenager's behaviour irl. I believe its up to the parents to determine how mature/developed their kids are. From everything i have seen this far (i dont have the game yet) it all looks fairly inocent compared to most other things teenagers will find/come across out there and wich should be of a greater concern.

 

Another thing is allowing them to play the game but letting them know that you are aware of its light sexual content (imo its light and funny), this will be like giving them your confidence in their maturity towards understanding sexuality wich is a preferable atittude compared to the one of conservative parents who either disregard or try to supress something perfectly natural, that is a teenagers interest in sex.

 

Do you trust your kids and the education you have given them?

 

[Kiinted]

The most common theme on all the replies is concentrating on the M17+ or R18+ rating ... thats great in those countries.

 

However I will admit fault by not including that I am an AUSTRALIAN parent where the game recieves an M15+ rating. While Rockstar say the game is censored in Australia, they do not detail what content has been censored, and its THAT fact that is pissing me off the most. I dont know if its the sex acts like the handjob, or the single scene with the gun/baseball bat up the ass. I mean come on, I shouldnt need to speculate about this stuff.

 

I have a 14yo who I personally think is reasonably mature for his age, I can trust him with most responsiblity and in many situations I am quite comfortable, however he has proven that he can't be trusted with explicit sexual content and this is my problem. He is unwilling to discuss things (god knows his mother and I have tried) so dont try putting the parenting blame on me there either.

 

What pisses me off is that Rockstar are being so evasive on the Australian censorship issue, as a parent of a "nearly 15yo" teen that "nearly" meets the criteria of the rating, I would like to know the exact content before allowing him to play it so that he doesnt manage to find something I dont know about (and would prefer that he didnt find).

 

Oh I so dearly wish there was an R18+ rating for games in Australia so I could just simply say "Nope, thats it no chance I dont even need to play it myself to know that its unsuitable for you".

 

I will still be getting the game for myself obviously, it just means I can only play it when the kids are asleep or away visiting their friends instead of playing it with them so we can all laugh and take turns and get a kick out of the game (and its just plain cruel to play it in front of them knowing that I will never let them actually play it).

[seananigans]

The game is made for people who are of the age to be able to process and understand what is happening onscreen. Impressionable, reckless youth need not apply.

[Copilot]

One I also have to say is that most 15 year old boys already look at porn and sex that you can't even see in a game isn't that big of a deal, I know I looked at that when I was a teenager.

[Johnny77v]

its a fact of life, im 23 now and when i was a teenager i got up to all sorts like every1 does as a teen.

most parents would freak if they really knew what their teenage sons/daughters get up to.

 

i wouldnt worry about sexual acts in the game, youll see worse on tv and the internet alot easier.

 

this just reminds me of american neo-cons, angellical christians, and narrow minded bitter bigoted people wanting to complain and make a fuss.

 

hot coffee anyone?

Edited April 28, 2008 by Johnny77v

[Copilot]

Did you just say the same thing 3 times in a row lol.

[LesPaul5391]

I suppose the game could come with a hand-out describing the extent of the mature content. At least that way it would be the kids fault for not showing the hand-out to their parents, rather than R*'s fault for not giving a warning.