slick_j_2002 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Alright well if that's your reasoning, I'd have to contest it by saying that given the current orientation of the assailant's weapon, a shotgun blast would not have a spread wide enough to shatter the side window and the taillight. There must have been a second shooter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty_matt_mattmatt Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 No read my post damnit there is a bullet hole in the side of the tail light see? he has an smg, not the most accurate weapon, so it probably skimmed the far and went a bit into tail light That's more unlikely. The taillight looks too far in on the inside for a bullet to have hit it by skimming on the side. It turns out theres a law that says: "the easiest explanation is most likely the right one" The easiest explanation? There is another shooter off screen. It is all perspective people, this is a frozen tiny capture of an entire world. Think outside the: _____ l.........l l.........l l_____l Yeah, I already considered that earlier. And then I looked at the mini-map, and realized no, that's not the case. the bullets clearly deflected off of Nikos gun and then through the break light, durr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadoolaw Posted April 23, 2008 Author Share Posted April 23, 2008 Alright well if that's your reasoning, I'd have to contest it by saying that given the current orientation of the assailant's weapon, a shotgun blast would not have a spread wide enough to shatter the side window and the taillight. There must have been a second shooter. The distance between the side window, which was indeed shattered by the shotgun, and the taillight is very minimal. k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaunr Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Well, the simplest answer is that one or more of the bullets from the shotgun went through the car and exited out of the taillight. Why not? Especially since there's a bullet spread. And it busted the window, too, so the bullets are definitely going through the car. Okay, it's solved. Shotguns don't fire bullets... right, the fire slugs or pellets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slick_j_2002 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Alright well if that's your reasoning, I'd have to contest it by saying that given the current orientation of the assailant's weapon, a shotgun blast would not have a spread wide enough to shatter the side window and the taillight. There must have been a second shooter. The distance between the side window, which was indeed shattered by the shotgun, and the taillight is very minimal. k I'm not trying to be insulting or anything here, but... Have you fired a weapon? Projectiles, typically, tend to go in a straightish sort of direction. Even if a pellet were to have strayed away from the blast area, which at that short range wouldn't have expanded much, it wouldn't have been able to hit the taillight and make it shatter as shown. This situation is clearly either: a) a video game b) a government instated farce c) wheelchair ramp d) all of the above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardedbastard Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Look at the minimap again. Either of the two unseen enemies (indicated by the dots) could have caused the shot. Firstly the one that is directly behind the shotgun thug is clearly off screen thus changing his vantage point enough to hit the side of the tail light. The second dot, to niko's right, is even simpler. While it LOOKS like there can't be anybody there it is possible that there is either a doorway/opening in the building out of our view or simpler yet, the assailant is wither on the roof of the building or on some scaffolding of some sort. Case closed.......? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadoolaw Posted April 23, 2008 Author Share Posted April 23, 2008 Alright well if that's your reasoning, I'd have to contest it by saying that given the current orientation of the assailant's weapon, a shotgun blast would not have a spread wide enough to shatter the side window and the taillight. There must have been a second shooter. The distance between the side window, which was indeed shattered by the shotgun, and the taillight is very minimal. k I'm not trying to be insulting or anything here, but... Have you fired a weapon? Projectiles, typically, tend to go in a straightish sort of direction. Even if a pellet were to have strayed away from the blast area, which at that short range wouldn't have expanded much, it wouldn't have been able to hit the taillight and make it shatter as shown. This situation is clearly either: a) a video game b) a government instated farce c) wheelchair ramp d) all of the above If it can shatter the side window, the spread could conceivably expand the 2 inches to left it would take to be headed towards the taillight. That's not the issue. The issue is whether or not it could go through the car and actually exit out of the taillight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slick_j_2002 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 The issue is whether or not it could go through the car and actually exit out of the taillight. Which, in my professional opinion, I'm saying it could not. Granted, the extent of my ballistic knowledge is limited to supervising waitresses and order takers in a family restaurant, but I feel I've had enough to drink to back up my claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadoolaw Posted April 23, 2008 Author Share Posted April 23, 2008 Look at the minimap again. Either of the two unseen enemies (indicated by the dots) could have caused the shot. Firstly the one that is directly behind the shotgun thug is clearly off screen thus changing his vantage point enough to hit the side of the tail light. The second dot, to niko's right, is even simpler. While it LOOKS like there can't be anybody there it is possible that there is either a doorway/opening in the building out of our view or simpler yet, the assailant is wither on the roof of the building or on some scaffolding of some sort. Case closed.......? The dot on the top left seems unlikely. He doesn't seem like he'd be at the right angle. But looking at it again, that 2nd dot on the top right could be the guy hitting the taillight. It's just odd that he'd be hitting that and somehow miss Niko completely, when Niko is almost entirely covering the taillight. That's what happens when you over-analyze a video game. Guess we'll see what it's like when we see it in motion.... in 6 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slick_j_2002 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 That's what happens when you over-analyze a video game. Guess we'll see what it's like when we see it in motion.... in 6 days. Pffffsh. Maybe you will. I'm not buying it. The game looks like it won't be that fun to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardedbastard Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Also there are two options depending on your perception of the minimap: Does the Niko arrow point in the direction niko is facing? Or does it point in the direction of the camera? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slick_j_2002 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Also there are two options depending on your perception of the minimap:Does the Niko arrow point in the direction niko is facing? Or does it point in the direction of the camera? My heart is telling me camera, but my body's telling me Niko. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadoolaw Posted April 23, 2008 Author Share Posted April 23, 2008 I think Niko is probably more likely. When you move, it'll move the mini-map around Niko, but he'll probably be facing the same way as long as you don't move him. I guess. Was it like that in the other GTAs? I don't remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieDude Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 They are all friends. they arnt aiming their Guns at niko. there is a person lying down with a hostage in the car. Niko is just using his brains and going around the back to surprise the Kidnapper! the Starred taillight just spontanestly Rutured due to Rapid heating and cooling... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slick_j_2002 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Actually, I'm betting it's the camera. Since there's no arrow indicating what direction the character is facing, it leads me to believe that the minimap rotates with up being forward. And since, as a third person game, you can change what direction you're facing rather quickly, and moving the camera is slower and smoother, I'm guessing the map will rotate and orient to the camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slick_j_2002 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 They are all friends. they arnt aiming their Guns at niko. there is a person lying down with a hostage in the car. Niko is just using his brains and going around the back to surprise the Kidnapper! the Starred taillight just spontanestly Rutured due to Rapid heating and cooling... I like your theory, but you're a little too late to the party. We already solved the mystery. It was old man Witherspoon, in the kitchen, with the candlestick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardedbastard Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Actually, I'm betting it's the camera. Since there's no arrow indicating what direction the character is facing, it leads me to believe that the minimap rotates with up being forward. And since, as a third person game, you can change what direction you're facing rather quickly, and moving the camera is slower and smoother, I'm guessing the map will rotate and orient to the camera. My thoughts exactly. Also once you factor in the ability to adhere to cover it seems indisputable. Will the radar spin around when niko puts his back to a wall? I think not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slick_j_2002 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Actually, I'm betting it's the camera. Since there's no arrow indicating what direction the character is facing, it leads me to believe that the minimap rotates with up being forward. And since, as a third person game, you can change what direction you're facing rather quickly, and moving the camera is slower and smoother, I'm guessing the map will rotate and orient to the camera. My thoughts exactly. Also once you factor in the ability to adhere to cover it seems indisputable. Will the radar spin around when niko puts his back to a wall? I think not. Case closed. We banged that ho' then choked her unconscious, followed by several dozen stab wounds to the chest and face area and a speedy wrap/pack and dump in the river job. None's the wiser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadoolaw Posted April 23, 2008 Author Share Posted April 23, 2008 Visual evidence: True. Btw, that explosion? Win? Winwinwinwinwin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardedbastard Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Case closed. We banged that ho' then choked her unconscious, followed by several dozen stab wounds to the chest and face area and a speedy wrap/pack and dump in the river job. None's the wiser. Indeed. Well done my brother. Now, for our next case, shall we attempt the JFK murder or a possibly more difficult task: the picture you so coincidently use as your signature? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty_matt_mattmatt Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 im pretty sure it was a rock flung up by a near by car and it just coincidently hit the car near the same time the shotty was shot thus this means gtas attention to detail is amazing! mystery solved... but we still have no f-ing idea where joe cooper is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slick_j_2002 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Case closed. We banged that ho' then choked her unconscious, followed by several dozen stab wounds to the chest and face area and a speedy wrap/pack and dump in the river job. None's the wiser. Indeed. Well done my brother. Now, for our next case, shall we attempt the JFK murder or a possibly more difficult task: the picture you so coincidently use as your signature? I think my next task is to go to bed, haha. I'll check back here tomorrow though and see what's to be seen, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadoolaw Posted April 23, 2008 Author Share Posted April 23, 2008 Case closed. We banged that ho' then choked her unconscious, followed by several dozen stab wounds to the chest and face area and a speedy wrap/pack and dump in the river job. None's the wiser. Indeed. Well done my brother. Now, for our next case, shall we attempt the JFK murder or a possibly more difficult task: the picture you so coincidently use as your signature? Did they survive getting shot through the windshield and get out of the car? Dun dun dun. Guy on the right has a lot more blood around him and the bullethole on his side is higher. Shot in the head? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardedbastard Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Did they survive getting shot through the windshield and get out of the car? Dun dun dun. Guy on the right has a lot more blood around him and the bullethole on his side is higher. Shot in the head? Indeed. This one runs deep. I posted my original theories in a different thread when these screens first came out. (not sure if you were there too?) They were basically regarding that if there is bullet holes in the windshield were the men killed but still got out of the car and managed to somehow close the doors? Or did Niko somehow manage to shoot both of them before either one got out of the car? Regardless, I feel that both of these are now debunked. My current theory: Firstly, this IS an official released R* screenshot. My theory? That Niko in fact head shotted both of the men and they, or rather their bodies, stayed in the car...dead. The perpetrator of the photograph, thinking that they wanted more (more interesting) in the shot, then proceeded to pull both bodies out of the car ala the "steal car button" and toss them to their resting places as we see in the picture. HOWEVER, seeing as how the open car doors obscured the "interestingness" of the screenshot, IE the bodies, the perpetrator proceeded to close both of them, reposition the camera, strike a cool pose, and WALAH snap the screenshot that you see before you. Is that word? Or is that f*cking word? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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