The Muhammed Drawings

[technomm]

 

WHOA LOOK AT CHINA, based on the awesome skylines and skyscrapers, their people must be living so well!  

 

But compare that to my country, Finland. We barely have any oil, skyscrapers, or anything.. which means that we live.. oh wait, we're one of the best faring countries in the world.

 

Architecture is barely an indicator of welfare.

 

 

You're doing fine, we know.

 

Our country is more progressive than iraq , yemen, sudan maybe but not more than egypt, turkey.

And not more than Iran I suppose.

http://images.google.com/images?q=%D8%A8%D...8&oe=UTF-8&um=1

 

Iranian girls:

http://images.google.com/images?q=%D8%AF%D...m=1&sa=N&tab=wi

 

And bear in mind that Iran is under the rule of some bloody far-right shiite muslims.So even one girl must be bold enough to appear without a scarf in public.

 

But the way,I challenge you to name a world-wide famous musician born in Jordan;hell even from any Arab country for that matter.

DJ Alligator,Deep Dish,One member of the popular Rock group Queen...to name a few.There are more Iranian musicians than these,of course.But I can't recall them atm.

 

I'm in no way a nationalist or something,just saying that if anything,it's Iran with the fastest social progress.

Hey man , you need glasses, i didn't say Iran, you might wanna re read my post,

 

Jordanian girls: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/47/142249999_b58b116bcd.jpg

2: http://www.360east.com/wp-content/girls-on-wakalat.jpg

 

 

plus I never heard of any of those artists you named

 

i know famous artists world wide that are arabic but thery suck, i suppose everyone who listens to rap has heard of DJ Khaled and DJ Khalil

 

 

edit: oh yeh show me pictures of your country iran, lemme see the buildings there (if you have any)

You didn't name Iran so I thought to show you that Iran is actually more progressive social-wise, than Jordan.

 

Those artists I mentioned are of the popular western genres so no wonder you haven't heard about them.

 

and making a Rap song(!) is easy as sh*t.Even Afghans or the most poor African people could make a rap sh*t in a matter of minutes.

 

You may have some tall buildings in your country but I think it is safe to say that most of them are built up with the help of foreigners especially Americans,at least the plans are not original to Jordanians.

 

As for that search page containing a few execution and such images.It IS normal when such a badass regime is ruling Iran.Execution is a part of the Sharia,of that sh*tty ARABIC religion Islam.Guess what? They happen everywhere in the world not only in Iran.

 

And you asked for some tall buildings?I suggest you to read nlitement's post first off.If your skull is so vacuous that you can't understand his points,then here you go:

http://images.google.ca/images?um=1&hl=en&q=tehran

 

Alright,we may not have as many skyscrapers as some bootlicking arabs.We are in a bad economic inflation,we're embargoed by the US and so on.

But hey,I challenge you again to show off some historical structures and objects of your country.

Here's mine:

 

http://images.google.com/images?num=20&hl=...F-8&sa=N&tab=wi

 

Have a read here: http://www.witpress.co.uk/contents/c4842.html

[D- Ice]

 

WHOA LOOK AT CHINA, based on the awesome skylines and skyscrapers, their people must be living so well!  

 

But compare that to my country, Finland. We barely have any oil, skyscrapers, or anything.. which means that we live.. oh wait, we're one of the best faring countries in the world.

 

Architecture is barely an indicator of welfare.

 

 

You're doing fine, we know.

 

Our country is more progressive than iraq , yemen, sudan maybe but not more than egypt, turkey.

And not more than Iran I suppose.

http://images.google.com/images?q=%D8%A8%D...8&oe=UTF-8&um=1

 

Iranian girls:

http://images.google.com/images?q=%D8%AF%D...m=1&sa=N&tab=wi

 

And bear in mind that Iran is under the rule of some bloody far-right shiite muslims.So even one girl must be bold enough to appear without a scarf in public.

 

But the way,I challenge you to name a world-wide famous musician born in Jordan;hell even from any Arab country for that matter.

DJ Alligator,Deep Dish,One member of the popular Rock group Queen...to name a few.There are more Iranian musicians than these,of course.But I can't recall them atm.

 

I'm in no way a nationalist or something,just saying that if anything,it's Iran with the fastest social progress.

Hey man , you need glasses, i didn't say Iran, you might wanna re read my post,

 

Jordanian girls: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/47/142249999_b58b116bcd.jpg

2: http://www.360east.com/wp-content/girls-on-wakalat.jpg

 

 

plus I never heard of any of those artists you named

 

i know famous artists world wide that are arabic but thery suck, i suppose everyone who listens to rap has heard of DJ Khaled and DJ Khalil

 

 

edit: oh yeh show me pictures of your country iran, lemme see the buildings there (if you have any)

You didn't name Iran so I thought to show you that Iran is actually more progressive social-wise, than Jordan.

 

Those artists I mentioned are of the popular western genres so no wonder you haven't heard about them.

 

and making a Rap song(!) is easy as sh*t.Even Afghans or the most poor African people could make a rap sh*t in a matter of minutes.

 

You may have some tall buildings in your country but I think it is safe to say that most of them are built up with the help of foreigners especially Americans,at least the plans are not original to Jordanians.

 

As for that search page containing a few execution and such images.It IS normal when such a badass regime is ruling Iran.Execution is a part of the Sharia,of that sh*tty ARABIC religion Islam.Guess what? They happen everywhere in the world not only in Iran.

 

And you asked for some tall buildings?I suggest you to read nlitement's post first off.If your skull is so vacuous that you can't understand his points,then here you go:

http://images.google.ca/images?um=1&hl=en&q=tehran

 

Alright,we may not have as many skyscrapers as some bootlicking arabs.We are in a bad economic inflation,we're embargoed by the US and so on.

But hey,I challenge you again to show off some historical structures and objects of your country.

Here's mine:

 

http://images.google.com/images?num=20&hl=...F-8&sa=N&tab=wi

 

Have a read here: http://www.witpress.co.uk/contents/c4842.html

First, I reported your post for the racist bigotry you have against Arabs 'boot-licking'. I can come back with plenty of anti-Iranian stuff, but I guess us Arabs are more socially progressed than to use racist bigotry. And you aren't a nationalist - thats kinda hard to believe reading your posts.

 

I know this is offtopic, but I agree with Dawg. Like it or not, but far, Iran is the least progressive country socially. Firstly you must admit the government's attitude needs some wieght in any social/economic measure of a country, and your evil, racist government who sponsers terrorism but is too cowardly to admit it, does not want change. Social progression is not a bunch of ultra-secularists going behind the government's backs. Also how dumb and undignified do you have to be to think of measuring your country's social progress by how the women don't wear Hijab and how they look? Thats the epitomy of social backwardness - you almsot are using those women as objects rather than individuals - not better than the crazies on the other side who make women tent-like objects.

 

Also, keep in mind that social progression is also the people's open-mindedness, and the blood-thirsty, terrorist supporting, propoganda eating attitudes on one side, and the ultra-secular, anti-Islamic hedonistic and superficial attitudes on the other neither show social progression, so like I said, Iran is the least socially-progressive country in the world.

 

And how f*cking dare you blame Ahmadinejad's carzyness and lust of blood on Arabs? You understand that it is him who is giving all muslims a bad name, and he is the one who is funding terrorists in our country who are indescriminately slaughtering us. It's also him who's started a cold-war with the world. He is not at all representing Muslims, and even though I'm not a muslim myself, I say he's the biggest enemy of Islam, Freedom, The West and everyone else with the sh*t he's starting. Like Bin Laden and all the other scum in the world, he is using religion as a tool for his own political plans, and blaming it all on Arab wont shift the blame form you people who he's one of and apparantly voted for him too.

 

Finnally, this is a multi-national, multi-ethnic world, and all sorts of foriegn companies are building stuff all over the world. Are you trying to say that having foriegn companies build those buildings in Jordan makes them less-valuable than if local ones built it? Is that not called Nationalism? And besides which, the Jordanians are paying the capital to the foriegn companies out of their own pockets - maybe they too posh to build them themselves . Have you ever considered that it maybe due to Jordan's superior social development and international ties - ofcourse with tolerance from the locals, that foriegn companies are building there?

Thats definately much more social progress and development than a country with one side exremist loons who control the government by force and use Islam as a political tool, and the other half flaunting their skimpily-dressed women to show that their race/people are superior, like they were f*cking objects. They also blame a whole world religion on their government's evil, totally eating that cockroach Ahmadinejad's propoganda that they are indeed representing Islam - not their greedy evil plans of destroying Israel and enslaving the Arabs and call all us Arabs as 'boot-licking'.

 

I think you totally proved how socially hypocritical, confused and corrupt your people have become technomm - good job idiot!

 

EDIT: BTW, us Arabs have our own genres of music which we are proud of. Westernisation is not at all correlated to social-progression, but rather a balance of keeping one's heritage and being open minded enough to consider others'. You have proved neither of these. You don't keep your own heritage because you dislike it while your government forces it down you, and instead blindly try to be something you are not. Oh and you are extremly closed minded and racist to Arabs and Islam. I seen cavemen more socially developed than lots of Iranians like you.

Edited May 17, 2008 by D- Ice

[technomm]

 

WHOA LOOK AT CHINA, based on the awesome skylines and skyscrapers, their people must be living so well!  

 

But compare that to my country, Finland. We barely have any oil, skyscrapers, or anything.. which means that we live.. oh wait, we're one of the best faring countries in the world.

 

Architecture is barely an indicator of welfare.

 

 

You're doing fine, we know.

 

Our country is more progressive than iraq , yemen, sudan maybe but not more than egypt, turkey.

And not more than Iran I suppose.

http://images.google.com/images?q=%D8%A8%D...8&oe=UTF-8&um=1

 

Iranian girls:

http://images.google.com/images?q=%D8%AF%D...m=1&sa=N&tab=wi

 

And bear in mind that Iran is under the rule of some bloody far-right shiite muslims.So even one girl must be bold enough to appear without a scarf in public.

 

But the way,I challenge you to name a world-wide famous musician born in Jordan;hell even from any Arab country for that matter.

DJ Alligator,Deep Dish,One member of the popular Rock group Queen...to name a few.There are more Iranian musicians than these,of course.But I can't recall them atm.

 

I'm in no way a nationalist or something,just saying that if anything,it's Iran with the fastest social progress.

Hey man , you need glasses, i didn't say Iran, you might wanna re read my post,

 

Jordanian girls: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/47/142249999_b58b116bcd.jpg

2: http://www.360east.com/wp-content/girls-on-wakalat.jpg

 

 

plus I never heard of any of those artists you named

 

i know famous artists world wide that are arabic but thery suck, i suppose everyone who listens to rap has heard of DJ Khaled and DJ Khalil

 

 

edit: oh yeh show me pictures of your country iran, lemme see the buildings there (if you have any)

You didn't name Iran so I thought to show you that Iran is actually more progressive social-wise, than Jordan.

 

Those artists I mentioned are of the popular western genres so no wonder you haven't heard about them.

 

and making a Rap song(!) is easy as sh*t.Even Afghans or the most poor African people could make a rap sh*t in a matter of minutes.

 

You may have some tall buildings in your country but I think it is safe to say that most of them are built up with the help of foreigners especially Americans,at least the plans are not original to Jordanians.

 

As for that search page containing a few execution and such images.It IS normal when such a badass regime is ruling Iran.Execution is a part of the Sharia,of that sh*tty ARABIC religion Islam.Guess what? They happen everywhere in the world not only in Iran.

 

And you asked for some tall buildings?I suggest you to read nlitement's post first off.If your skull is so vacuous that you can't understand his points,then here you go:

http://images.google.ca/images?um=1&hl=en&q=tehran

 

Alright,we may not have as many skyscrapers as some bootlicking arabs.We are in a bad economic inflation,we're embargoed by the US and so on.

But hey,I challenge you again to show off some historical structures and objects of your country.

Here's mine:

 

http://images.google.com/images?num=20&hl=...F-8&sa=N&tab=wi

 

Have a read here: http://www.witpress.co.uk/contents/c4842.html

First, I reported your post for the racist bigotry you have against Arabs 'boot-licking'. I can come back with plenty of anti-Iranian stuff, but I guess us Arabs are more socially progressed than to use racist bigotry. And you aren't a nationalist - thats kinda hard to believe reading your posts.

 

I know this is offtopic, but I agree with Dawg. Like it or not, but far, Iran is the least progressive country socially. Firstly you must admit the government's attitude needs some wieght in any social/economic measure of a country, and your evil, racist government who sponsers terrorism but is too cowardly to admit it, does not want change. Social progression is not a bunch of ultra-secularists going behind the government's backs. Also how dumb and undignified do you have to be to think of measuring your country's social progress by how the women don't wear Hijab and how they look? Thats the epitomy of social backwardness - you almsot are using those women as objects rather than individuals - not better than the crazies on the other side who make women tent-like objects.

 

 

Thats definately much more social progress and development than a country with one side exremist loons who control the government by force and use Islam as a political tool, and the other half flaunting their skimpily-dressed women to show that their race/people are superior, like they were f*cking objects. They also blame a whole world religion on their government's evil, totally eating that cockroach Ahmadinejad's propoganda that they are indeed representing Islam - not their greedy evil plans of destroying Israel and enslaving the Arabs and call all us Arabs as 'boot-licking'.

 

I think you totally proved how socially hypocritical, confused and corrupt your people have become technomm - good job idiot!

 

 

You seem quite boiled-over.

 

 

You know,historically 'Arabs' have been often against Persians.The last example I can remember is the ludicrous 'Arabian gulf' misnaming of the true 'Persian gulf' by those gulf-bordering Arab regions via the National Geographies society.

 

 

First off,I'm not a muslim,nor a supporter of the Islamic regime.

Gov is different from the nation particularly when it's about Iran.The more opposition against the Iranian government in the forms of public demonstrations/objections or by refusing to act the way such a totalitarian state has ordered is considered to be social progression.I presented some pics of hijab-less girls to show that the majority of the Iran's new generation of youth is not anymore abiding the Islamic state rules.It's progression,it's a sign of a silent liberal move which is growing more and more.

The Iranian gov is based on Islamic law.Execution is one of those ugly laws.

 

And as well,I brought up some pics of the Iranian girls because Dawg did that in the first place.He demonstrated how their people look like...So did I trying just to wipe off the stereotype.

 

And bear in mind that when I cited 'Arabs' in my post,I wasn't generalizing them at all.You Iraqis,plus Egyptians and some other Arabs are amongst those who I hold respect for.In fact,I hardly consider you as Arabs.Iraq was a glorious state called Babel and Egypt has an awesome history with all that pharaohs and pyramids and all....

 

I was only talking about those small countries bordering the Persian gulf.Sorry if you took offence mate.Still I don't despise them at all...they are some independent countries I know.But It stings me when those guys at times ignore Iran or dislike my country when discussing about middle-east matters.

 

 

And how f*cking dare you blame Ahmadinejad's carzyness and lust of blood on Arabs? You understand that it is him who is giving all muslims a bad name, and he is the one who is funding terrorists in our country who are indescriminately slaughtering us. It's also him who's started a cold-war with the world. He is not at all representing Muslims, and even though I'm not a muslim myself, I say he's the biggest enemy of Islam, Freedom, The West and everyone else with the sh*t he's starting. Like Bin Laden and all the other scum in the world, he is using religion as a tool for his own political plans, and blaming it all on Arab wont shift the blame form you people who he's one of and apparantly voted for him too.

 

Like said, Ahmadinejad,Khamene'i and all those dickhead Iranian rules are pure shiite muslims.They act based on the sharia and Quran,you know.

I didn't vote for him.I actually didn't cast a vote for anyone at all.

 

Also,Muhammad was a political leader as well.Islam is a political religion to begin with.

 

 

Finnally, this is a multi-national, multi-ethnic world, and all sorts of foriegn companies are building stuff all over the world. Are you trying to say that having foriegn companies build those buildings in Jordan makes them less-valuable than if local ones built it? Is that not called Nationalism? And besides which, the Jordanians are paying the capital to the foriegn companies out of their own pockets - maybe they too posh to build them themselves  . Have you ever considered that it maybe due to Jordan's superior social development and international ties - ofcourse with tolerance from the locals, that foriegn companies are building there?

 

I know and I agree this is a multi-ethnic world.I also concur on the fact that international ties are important in the advancement of a country.

But you all over your post failed to realize that I was merely counter-replying the dawg1990 points.

He said we have tall buildings and high rise buildings etc.So I tried to prove him and Iran can also do that.But since the economical corruptness of Iran ,and maybe due to the fact that USA has embargoed Iran there are less skyscrapers than in Jordan or UAE.I think the latter has less to do with that matter.

Not that I favor our current tension with the US,rather I'd like my country to have all-round relations with America.

The principal matter here is that the crappy gov sets aside insufficient budget to things like that;otherwise we could have a city as modern and good-looking as dubai.Screw our state then.

 

But guess what?Without a hand from America unlike those gulf-bordering Arabs we have a communications tower namely Milad.(1-Maybe it's nothing compared to many a such buildings in Jordan or UAE or elsewhere. 2-again,nothing against America here,just trying to prove we have the potential to progress rather quicker and with less 'brakes' in the way,only if the tensions with the US calms down and the relations with that country normalizes...).

 

 

 

 

Also, keep in mind that social progression is also the people's open-mindedness, and the blood-thirsty, terrorist supporting, propoganda eating attitudes on one side, and the ultra-secular, anti-Islamic hedonistic and superficial attitudes on the other neither show social progression, so like I said, Iran is the least socially-progressive country in the world.

 

You don't know that the hell you're talking about,do you?

Stick this to your f*cking mind,objection in any form of it under the pressure of such a aggressive Islamic regime IS a gradual progression.

Those who you call ultra-secular and superficial groups are the protestant movements trying to enlighten and cure the Islamic-infected minds of Iranian youth with telling them about their true heritage and tradition;thus the two extreme opposites there.The secular-tending one(with websites like this) are there to inspire a through anti-Islam movement in Iran.they have to act as extremely as Islamists ,since the fact is that the stupid reformist party couldn't help one bit to loosen the regime's power.they were a bunch of reformist muslims whose attempt failed to create a less strict governship.

I still stress,Iran IS amongst the most freaking socially progressive country in the middle-east along with Turkey perhaps.

There's Saudi Arabia with such a horrible hereditary-type state,for instance...no rights for women,a dreadful Sunni-based country.Or take Kuwait for another example;where women couldn't vote not long ago...many examples like this.

 

 

 

 

 

BTW, us Arabs have our own genres of music which we are proud of. Westernisation is not at all correlated to social-progression, but rather a balance of keeping one's heritage and being open minded enough to consider others'. You have proved neither of these. You don't keep your own heritage because you dislike it while your government forces it down you, and instead blindly try to be something you are not. Oh and you are extremly closed minded and racist to Arabs and Islam. I seen cavemen more socially developed than lots of Iranians like you

 

Oddly enough,Nancy Ajram is very popular amongst Iranian guys.She is a Lebanese arabic singer.

What you mean by "I don't keep my heritage"? Who forces it upon me?If you mean the Persian heritage and tradition,then you are off track.I like my country's history like everyone else.And Ahmadinejad doesn't force me to keep it lol.He doesn't give a sh*t about 'Persia' dumbass.

He and his boss(the supreme leader) actually believe Islam is superior than the -pre Islam era.So you see,they don't admire my heritage unless when it is an election or something ,when the propaganda machine will be quite up and about.

 

oh yeah,'Everyone' is more or less a racist.

 

 

 

[D- Ice]

 

You know,historically 'Arabs' have been often against Persians.The last example I can remember is the ludicrous 'Arabian gulf' misnaming of the true 'Persian gulf' by those gulf-bordering Arab regions via the National Geographies society.

 

It is Arab Gulf as most people living near it are Arabs, like it or not, and I for one will continue lobbying towards that name.

 

 

First off,I'm not a muslim,nor a supporter of the Islamic regime.

Gov is different from the nation particularly when it's about Iran.The more opposition against the Iranian government in the forms of public demonstrations/objections or by refusing to act the way such a totalitarian state has ordered is considered to be social progression.I presented some pics of hijab-less girls to show that the majority of the Iran's new generation of youth is not anymore abiding the Islamic state rules.It's progression,it's a sign of a silent liberal move which is growing more and more.

The Iranian gov is based on Islamic law.Execution is one of those ugly laws.

 

Like I said, your a complete idiot whose been munching too much on Khomeini's and that cockroach Ahmadinejad's dick propoganda to believe those fags are representing anything but their OWN political agendas not that of Islam. Islam never has, and never will have a political agenda unless you are a shi'ite extremist terrorist who deserves to be put down like a dog for all my family members your people have killed. Your Islam is twisted and wrong, and not everyone else is a terrorist, or believes their propoganda and gives them power of all things by saying their version of Islam is correct.

 

 

And as well,I brought up some pics of the Iranian girls because Dawg did that in the first place.He demonstrated how their people look like...So did I trying just to wipe off the stereotype.

 

Ok, thats cool, appologise for not realising that, I was at work and just skimmed over it. DAWG is the idiot in that respect then.

 

 

And bear in mind that when I cited 'Arabs' in my post,I wasn't generalizing them at all.You Iraqis,plus Egyptians and some other Arabs are amongst those who I hold respect for.In fact,I hardly consider you as Arabs.Iraq was a glorious state called Babel and Egypt has an awesome history with all that pharaohs and pyramids and all....

 

Cool, but I hope you realise how that was taken to be offensive by me, and I understand most us Iraqis and Egyptians and even those in Syria and the Levent aren't technically geneologically Arabs decended from the beduins, but we nonetheless still keep calling ourselves such due to the langauge. Not many people know that, so Kudos for that.

 

 

I was only talking about those small countries bordering the Persian gulf.Sorry if you took offence mate.Still I don't despise them at all...they are some independent countries I know.But It stings me when those guys at times ignore Iran or dislike my country when discussing about middle-east matters.

 

It's very hard for anyone not to hate Iran - or it's evil government and their evil warped version of Islam. And people like you claiming that those terrorists are what true Islam's about aren't helping, as it is an insult to say those murderers represent any religion - or humanity even. They are representing their own political agendas, and as long as you people wont realise that, you'll be disliked by Muslims and most non-extremists for mocking a religion that way, and hated by the west in spreading your hate propoganda ie Islam=Khomeini/Ahmadinejad. I'm sure in the US you can probably get arrested for that - indoctrinating muslims falsely with that crap.

 

 

Also,Muhammad was a political leader as well.Islam is a political religion to begin with.

 

... and you wonder why the West is embargoing you, and the whole middle-east except for the cocksuckers you brainwashed hating you. I'm sure most middle-eastern countries - despite our bad relationship with Israel, will fully support it's military action against Iran. Islam is nothing like that, and you sir are an anti-Islam bigot, whose using your false propoganda image of Islam to give reason for both the anti-Islam far right groups who are lobbying with all they can to bomb your country, Iran, and the terrorists who are brainwashing youth and giving them weapons and training to bomb my country, Iraq.

 

 

I know and I agree this is a multi-ethnic world.I also concur on the fact that international ties are important in the advancement of a country.

But you all over your post failed to realize that I was merely counter-replying the dawg1990 points.

He said we have tall buildings and high rise buildings etc.So I tried to prove him and Iran can also do that.But since the economical corruptness of Iran ,and maybe due to the fact that USA has embargoed Iran there are less skyscrapers than in Jordan or UAE.I think the latter has less to do with that matter.

Not that I favor our current tension with the US,rather I'd like my country to have all-round relations with America.

The principal matter here is that the crappy gov sets aside insufficient budget to things like that;otherwise we could have a city as modern and good-looking as dubai.Screw our state then.

 

But guess what?Without a hand from America unlike those gulf-bordering Arabs we have a communications tower namely Milad.(1-Maybe it's nothing compared to many a such buildings in Jordan or UAE or elsewhere. 2-again,nothing against America here,just trying to prove we have the potential to progress rather quicker and with less 'brakes' in the way,only if the tensions with the US calms down and the relations with that country normalizes...).

 

I am totally against embargoes and sanctions - I lived in Iraq during the sanctions, so I know from the sh*t side. However, if that Iranian regime has, with the embargoes, managed to brainwash their twisted version of Islam into every Iranian, and causing hell in Iraq, imagine what they'll do with free trade.

 

 

You don't know that the hell you're talking about,do you?

Stick this to your f*cking mind,objection in any form of it under the pressure of such a aggressive Islamic regime IS a gradual progression.

Those who you call ultra-secular and superficial groups are the protestant movements trying to enlighten and cure the Islamic-infected minds of Iranian youth with telling them about their true heritage and tradition;thus the two extreme opposites there.The secular-tending one(with websites like this) are there to inspire a through anti-Islam movement in Iran.they have to act as extremely as Islamists ,since the fact is that the stupid reformist party couldn't help one bit to loosen the regime's power.they were a bunch of reformist muslims whose attempt failed to create a less strict governship.

I still stress,Iran IS amongst the most freaking socially progressive country in the middle-east along with Turkey perhaps.

There's Saudi Arabia with such a horrible hereditary-type state,for instance...no rights for women,a dreadful Sunni-based country.Or take Kuwait for another example;where women couldn't vote not long ago...many examples like this.

 

Yes I do know what the f*ck I'm talking about. It is so remarkable to see you so nationalistic that you are willing to blame all the evil by your government on a religion rather than realise there are f*cked up Iranians or Persians who are pure evil. We had to come to terms of it with Saddam, and I guess soon it'll be your turn to bite a bullet - or a few precision-aimed Israel bombs lol. Being as extremist but the other way is never the solution and an indicator of a society that has as to yet not progressed fully to comprehend that extremism is wrong.

 

And ever heard the phrase 'charity begins at home'? Maybe you should make Iran that ultra-secular anti-religious state before mocking others.

Despite me hating it, I think it'll still be a great idea, as you wont be able to brain-wash any more Sadr c*nts into wreacking havoc in Iraq for your advantage, with propoganda of Iran=Islam. Also when that happens, Iran will loose all influence in the Middle-East, which in my book is as close to heaven as we'll get - Iran's main claws into power in the Mid-East is Propoganda with their political agendas being true Shia Islam. Other than that, they have nothing in common with you, and will just spend their time maybe building better skyscrapers in their countries.

 

Besides which, just like to point out that VIRTUALLY ALL TRUE Muslims, not anti-Islam ex-muslims like most Iranians, totally condemn Ahmadinejad's version of Islam, and I think it is those people's perceptions of Islam, as worshippers etc... count more, as they are the only true representative of Islam. So like it or not, your interpretation of Islam as a political, cut-throat religion is radical minority - just like that of terrorists. If you believe in what you said about Islam, I'm sure a black van will pull up and kidnap you to Guantanamo Bay for such a sick, twisted belief.

 

Neither you or I are Muslims, so I don't think either has any right to define the muslim people or their faith - only they have that right.

It's as insulting as me saying "all Persians want to rape you and steal your 's" without being a Persian myself.

 

Also, this discussion is totally offtopic, so how about we start a new thread for this discussion if others are interested or take it to PM's?

[dawg1990]

 

WHOA LOOK AT CHINA, based on the awesome skylines and skyscrapers, their people must be living so well!  

 

But compare that to my country, Finland. We barely have any oil, skyscrapers, or anything.. which means that we live.. oh wait, we're one of the best faring countries in the world.

 

Architecture is barely an indicator of welfare.

 

 

You're doing fine, we know.

 

Our country is more progressive than iraq , yemen, sudan maybe but not more than egypt, turkey.

And not more than Iran I suppose.

http://images.google.com/images?q=%D8%A8%D...8&oe=UTF-8&um=1

 

Iranian girls:

http://images.google.com/images?q=%D8%AF%D...m=1&sa=N&tab=wi

 

And bear in mind that Iran is under the rule of some bloody far-right shiite muslims.So even one girl must be bold enough to appear without a scarf in public.

 

But the way,I challenge you to name a world-wide famous musician born in Jordan;hell even from any Arab country for that matter.

DJ Alligator,Deep Dish,One member of the popular Rock group Queen...to name a few.There are more Iranian musicians than these,of course.But I can't recall them atm.

 

I'm in no way a nationalist or something,just saying that if anything,it's Iran with the fastest social progress.

Hey man , you need glasses, i didn't say Iran, you might wanna re read my post,

 

Jordanian girls: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/47/142249999_b58b116bcd.jpg

2: http://www.360east.com/wp-content/girls-on-wakalat.jpg

 

 

plus I never heard of any of those artists you named

 

i know famous artists world wide that are arabic but thery suck, i suppose everyone who listens to rap has heard of DJ Khaled and DJ Khalil

 

 

edit: oh yeh show me pictures of your country iran, lemme see the buildings there (if you have any)

You didn't name Iran so I thought to show you that Iran is actually more progressive social-wise, than Jordan.

 

Those artists I mentioned are of the popular western genres so no wonder you haven't heard about them.

 

and making a Rap song(!) is easy as sh*t.Even Afghans or the most poor African people could make a rap sh*t in a matter of minutes.

 

You may have some tall buildings in your country but I think it is safe to say that most of them are built up with the help of foreigners especially Americans,at least the plans are not original to Jordanians.

 

As for that search page containing a few execution and such images.It IS normal when such a badass regime is ruling Iran.Execution is a part of the Sharia,of that sh*tty ARABIC religion Islam.Guess what? They happen everywhere in the world not only in Iran.

 

And you asked for some tall buildings?I suggest you to read nlitement's post first off.If your skull is so vacuous that you can't understand his points,then here you go:

http://images.google.ca/images?um=1&hl=en&q=tehran

 

Alright,we may not have as many skyscrapers as some bootlicking arabs.We are in a bad economic inflation,we're embargoed by the US and so on.

But hey,I challenge you again to show off some historical structures and objects of your country.

Here's mine:

 

http://images.google.com/images?num=20&hl=...F-8&sa=N&tab=wi

 

Have a read here: http://www.witpress.co.uk/contents/c4842.html

I have to agree with all what Ice said, You know i live in usa right? i swear on my life i never heard of any of the artists you mentioned, and your country is very normal, nothing special about it, so dont come here and decide that your country is better than mine, and irtan supports nothing but terrorism and killing, i think everyone knows that, they were talking aout in the CNN the other day.

 

 

edit: im not trying to offend you here, im just responding to you, Iran is a beautiful country , my dad has been there and he told me about how nice it is over htere.

Edited May 17, 2008 by dawg1990

[dawg1990]

 

But hey,I challenge you again to show off some historical structures and objects of your country.

Here's mine:

 

 

The Petra is one of the 7 world wonders if you havent't noticed, and its in my country

 

 

http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en&q=%D8...F-8&sa=N&tab=wi

 

 

what now? you still doubt my country

[freak2121]

You know,historically 'Arabs' have been often against Persians.The last example I can remember is the ludicrous 'Arabian gulf' misnaming of the true 'Persian gulf' by those gulf-bordering Arab regions via the National Geographies society.

 

It is Arab Gulf as most people living near it are Arabs, like it or not, and I for one will continue lobbying towards that name.

 

 

First off,I'm not a muslim,nor a supporter of the Islamic regime.

Gov is different from the nation particularly when it's about Iran.The more opposition against the Iranian government in the forms of public demonstrations/objections or by refusing to act the way such a totalitarian state has ordered is considered to be social progression.I presented some pics of hijab-less girls to show that the majority of the Iran's new generation of youth is not anymore abiding the Islamic state rules.It's progression,it's a sign of a silent liberal move which is growing more and more.

The Iranian gov is based on Islamic law.Execution is one of those ugly laws.

 

Like I said, your a complete idiot whose been munching too much on Khomeini's and that cockroach Ahmadinejad's dick propoganda to believe those fags are representing anything but their OWN political agendas not that of Islam. Islam never has, and never will have a political agenda unless you are a shi'ite extremist terrorist who deserves to be put down like a dog for all my family members your people have killed. Your Islam is twisted and wrong, and not everyone else is a terrorist, or believes their propoganda and gives them power of all things by saying their version of Islam is correct.

 

 

And as well,I brought up some pics of the Iranian girls because Dawg did that in the first place.He demonstrated how their people look like...So did I trying just to wipe off the stereotype.

 

Ok, thats cool, appologise for not realising that, I was at work and just skimmed over it. DAWG is the idiot in that respect then.

 

 

And bear in mind that when I cited 'Arabs' in my post,I wasn't generalizing them at all.You Iraqis,plus Egyptians and some other Arabs are amongst those who I hold respect for.In fact,I hardly consider you as Arabs.Iraq was a glorious state called Babel and Egypt has an awesome history with all that pharaohs and pyramids and all....

 

Cool, but I hope you realise how that was taken to be offensive by me, and I understand most us Iraqis and Egyptians and even those in Syria and the Levent aren't technically geneologically Arabs decended from the beduins, but we nonetheless still keep calling ourselves such due to the langauge. Not many people know that, so Kudos for that.

 

 

I was only talking about those small countries bordering the Persian gulf.Sorry if you took offence mate.Still I don't despise them at all...they are some independent countries I know.But It stings me when those guys at times ignore Iran or dislike my country when discussing about middle-east matters.

 

It's very hard for anyone not to hate Iran - or it's evil government and their evil warped version of Islam. And people like you claiming that those terrorists are what true Islam's about aren't helping, as it is an insult to say those murderers represent any religion - or humanity even. They are representing their own political agendas, and as long as you people wont realise that, you'll be disliked by Muslims and most non-extremists for mocking a religion that way, and hated by the west in spreading your hate propoganda ie Islam=Khomeini/Ahmadinejad. I'm sure in the US you can probably get arrested for that - indoctrinating muslims falsely with that crap.

 

 

Also,Muhammad was a political leader as well.Islam is a political religion to begin with.

 

... and you wonder why the West is embargoing you, and the whole middle-east except for the cocksuckers you brainwashed hating you. I'm sure most middle-eastern countries - despite our bad relationship with Israel, will fully support it's military action against Iran. Islam is nothing like that, and you sir are an anti-Islam bigot, whose using your false propoganda image of Islam to give reason for both the anti-Islam far right groups who are lobbying with all they can to bomb your country, Iran, and the terrorists who are brainwashing youth and giving them weapons and training to bomb my country, Iraq.

 

 

I know and I agree this is a multi-ethnic world.I also concur on the fact that international ties are important in the advancement of a country.

But you all over your post failed to realize that I was merely counter-replying the dawg1990 points.

He said we have tall buildings and high rise buildings etc.So I tried to prove him and Iran can also do that.But since the economical corruptness of Iran ,and maybe due to the fact that USA has embargoed Iran there are less skyscrapers than in Jordan or UAE.I think the latter has less to do with that matter.

Not that I favor our current tension with the US,rather I'd like my country to have all-round relations with America.

The principal matter here is that the crappy gov sets aside insufficient budget to things like that;otherwise we could have a city as modern and good-looking as dubai.Screw our state then.

 

But guess what?Without a hand from America unlike those gulf-bordering Arabs we have a communications tower namely Milad.(1-Maybe it's nothing compared to many a such buildings in Jordan or UAE or elsewhere. 2-again,nothing against America here,just trying to prove we have the potential to progress rather quicker and with less 'brakes' in the way,only if the tensions with the US calms down and the relations with that country normalizes...).

 

I am totally against embargoes and sanctions - I lived in Iraq during the sanctions, so I know from the sh*t side. However, if that Iranian regime has, with the embargoes, managed to brainwash their twisted version of Islam into every Iranian, and causing hell in Iraq, imagine what they'll do with free trade.

 

 

You don't know that the hell you're talking about,do you?

Stick this to your f*cking mind,objection in any form of it under the pressure of such a aggressive Islamic regime IS a gradual progression.

Those who you call ultra-secular and superficial groups are the protestant movements trying to enlighten and cure the Islamic-infected minds of Iranian youth with telling them about their true heritage and tradition;thus the two extreme opposites there.The secular-tending one(with websites like this) are there to inspire a through anti-Islam movement in Iran.they have to act as extremely as Islamists ,since the fact is that the stupid reformist party couldn't help one bit to loosen the regime's power.they were a bunch of reformist muslims whose attempt failed to create a less strict governship.

I still stress,Iran IS amongst the most freaking socially progressive country in the middle-east along with Turkey perhaps.

There's Saudi Arabia with such a horrible hereditary-type state,for instance...no rights for women,a dreadful Sunni-based country.Or take Kuwait for another example;where women couldn't vote not long ago...many examples like this.

 

Yes I do know what the f*ck I'm talking about. It is so remarkable to see you so nationalistic that you are willing to blame all the evil by your government on a religion rather than realise there are f*cked up Iranians or Persians who are pure evil. We had to come to terms of it with Saddam, and I guess soon it'll be your turn to bite a bullet - or a few precision-aimed Israel bombs lol. Being as extremist but the other way is never the solution and an indicator of a society that has as to yet not progressed fully to comprehend that extremism is wrong.

 

And ever heard the phrase 'charity begins at home'? Maybe you should make Iran that ultra-secular anti-religious state before mocking others.

Despite me hating it, I think it'll still be a great idea, as you wont be able to brain-wash any more Sadr c*nts into wreacking havoc in Iraq for your advantage, with propoganda of Iran=Islam. Also when that happens, Iran will loose all influence in the Middle-East, which in my book is as close to heaven as we'll get - Iran's main claws into power in the Mid-East is Propoganda with their political agendas being true Shia Islam. Other than that, they have nothing in common with you, and will just spend their time maybe building better skyscrapers in their countries.

 

Besides which, just like to point out that VIRTUALLY ALL TRUE Muslims, not anti-Islam ex-muslims like most Iranians, totally condemn Ahmadinejad's version of Islam, and I think it is those people's perceptions of Islam, as worshippers etc... count more, as they are the only true representative of Islam. So like it or not, your interpretation of Islam as a political, cut-throat religion is radical minority - just like that of terrorists. If you believe in what you said about Islam, I'm sure a black van will pull up and kidnap you to Guantanamo Bay for such a sick, twisted belief.

 

Neither you or I are Muslims, so I don't think either has any right to define the muslim people or their faith - only they have that right.

It's as insulting as me saying "all Persians want to rape you and steal your 's" without being a Persian myself.

 

Also, this discussion is totally offtopic, so how about we start a new thread for this discussion if others are interested or take it to PM's?

I'm Iranian, and a Muslim and your getting pretty offensive to me, what the hell is this giving weapons to youth and training them to bomb sh*t?

[dawg1990]

You know,historically 'Arabs' have been often against Persians.The last example I can remember is the ludicrous 'Arabian gulf' misnaming of the true 'Persian gulf' by those gulf-bordering Arab regions via the National Geographies society.

 

It is Arab Gulf as most people living near it are Arabs, like it or not, and I for one will continue lobbying towards that name.

 

 

First off,I'm not a muslim,nor a supporter of the Islamic regime.

Gov is different from the nation particularly when it's about Iran.The more opposition against the Iranian government in the forms of public demonstrations/objections or by refusing to act the way such a totalitarian state has ordered is considered to be social progression.I presented some pics of hijab-less girls to show that the majority of the Iran's new generation of youth is not anymore abiding the Islamic state rules.It's progression,it's a sign of a silent liberal move which is growing more and more.

The Iranian gov is based on Islamic law.Execution is one of those ugly laws.

 

Like I said, your a complete idiot whose been munching too much on Khomeini's and that cockroach Ahmadinejad's dick propoganda to believe those fags are representing anything but their OWN political agendas not that of Islam. Islam never has, and never will have a political agenda unless you are a shi'ite extremist terrorist who deserves to be put down like a dog for all my family members your people have killed. Your Islam is twisted and wrong, and not everyone else is a terrorist, or believes their propoganda and gives them power of all things by saying their version of Islam is correct.

 

 

And as well,I brought up some pics of the Iranian girls because Dawg did that in the first place.He demonstrated how their people look like...So did I trying just to wipe off the stereotype.

 

Ok, thats cool, appologise for not realising that, I was at work and just skimmed over it. DAWG is the idiot in that respect then.

 

 

And bear in mind that when I cited 'Arabs' in my post,I wasn't generalizing them at all.You Iraqis,plus Egyptians and some other Arabs are amongst those who I hold respect for.In fact,I hardly consider you as Arabs.Iraq was a glorious state called Babel and Egypt has an awesome history with all that pharaohs and pyramids and all....

 

Cool, but I hope you realise how that was taken to be offensive by me, and I understand most us Iraqis and Egyptians and even those in Syria and the Levent aren't technically geneologically Arabs decended from the beduins, but we nonetheless still keep calling ourselves such due to the langauge. Not many people know that, so Kudos for that.

 

 

I was only talking about those small countries bordering the Persian gulf.Sorry if you took offence mate.Still I don't despise them at all...they are some independent countries I know.But It stings me when those guys at times ignore Iran or dislike my country when discussing about middle-east matters.

 

It's very hard for anyone not to hate Iran - or it's evil government and their evil warped version of Islam. And people like you claiming that those terrorists are what true Islam's about aren't helping, as it is an insult to say those murderers represent any religion - or humanity even. They are representing their own political agendas, and as long as you people wont realise that, you'll be disliked by Muslims and most non-extremists for mocking a religion that way, and hated by the west in spreading your hate propoganda ie Islam=Khomeini/Ahmadinejad. I'm sure in the US you can probably get arrested for that - indoctrinating muslims falsely with that crap.

 

 

Also,Muhammad was a political leader as well.Islam is a political religion to begin with.

 

... and you wonder why the West is embargoing you, and the whole middle-east except for the cocksuckers you brainwashed hating you. I'm sure most middle-eastern countries - despite our bad relationship with Israel, will fully support it's military action against Iran. Islam is nothing like that, and you sir are an anti-Islam bigot, whose using your false propoganda image of Islam to give reason for both the anti-Islam far right groups who are lobbying with all they can to bomb your country, Iran, and the terrorists who are brainwashing youth and giving them weapons and training to bomb my country, Iraq.

 

 

I know and I agree this is a multi-ethnic world.I also concur on the fact that international ties are important in the advancement of a country.

But you all over your post failed to realize that I was merely counter-replying the dawg1990 points.

He said we have tall buildings and high rise buildings etc.So I tried to prove him and Iran can also do that.But since the economical corruptness of Iran ,and maybe due to the fact that USA has embargoed Iran there are less skyscrapers than in Jordan or UAE.I think the latter has less to do with that matter.

Not that I favor our current tension with the US,rather I'd like my country to have all-round relations with America.

The principal matter here is that the crappy gov sets aside insufficient budget to things like that;otherwise we could have a city as modern and good-looking as dubai.Screw our state then.

 

But guess what?Without a hand from America unlike those gulf-bordering Arabs we have a communications tower namely Milad.(1-Maybe it's nothing compared to many a such buildings in Jordan or UAE or elsewhere. 2-again,nothing against America here,just trying to prove we have the potential to progress rather quicker and with less 'brakes' in the way,only if the tensions with the US calms down and the relations with that country normalizes...).

 

I am totally against embargoes and sanctions - I lived in Iraq during the sanctions, so I know from the sh*t side. However, if that Iranian regime has, with the embargoes, managed to brainwash their twisted version of Islam into every Iranian, and causing hell in Iraq, imagine what they'll do with free trade.

 

 

You don't know that the hell you're talking about,do you?

Stick this to your f*cking mind,objection in any form of it under the pressure of such a aggressive Islamic regime IS a gradual progression.

Those who you call ultra-secular and superficial groups are the protestant movements trying to enlighten and cure the Islamic-infected minds of Iranian youth with telling them about their true heritage and tradition;thus the two extreme opposites there.The secular-tending one(with websites like this) are there to inspire a through anti-Islam movement in Iran.they have to act as extremely as Islamists ,since the fact is that the stupid reformist party couldn't help one bit to loosen the regime's power.they were a bunch of reformist muslims whose attempt failed to create a less strict governship.

I still stress,Iran IS amongst the most freaking socially progressive country in the middle-east along with Turkey perhaps.

There's Saudi Arabia with such a horrible hereditary-type state,for instance...no rights for women,a dreadful Sunni-based country.Or take Kuwait for another example;where women couldn't vote not long ago...many examples like this.

 

Yes I do know what the f*ck I'm talking about. It is so remarkable to see you so nationalistic that you are willing to blame all the evil by your government on a religion rather than realise there are f*cked up Iranians or Persians who are pure evil. We had to come to terms of it with Saddam, and I guess soon it'll be your turn to bite a bullet - or a few precision-aimed Israel bombs lol. Being as extremist but the other way is never the solution and an indicator of a society that has as to yet not progressed fully to comprehend that extremism is wrong.

 

And ever heard the phrase 'charity begins at home'? Maybe you should make Iran that ultra-secular anti-religious state before mocking others.

Despite me hating it, I think it'll still be a great idea, as you wont be able to brain-wash any more Sadr c*nts into wreacking havoc in Iraq for your advantage, with propoganda of Iran=Islam. Also when that happens, Iran will loose all influence in the Middle-East, which in my book is as close to heaven as we'll get - Iran's main claws into power in the Mid-East is Propoganda with their political agendas being true Shia Islam. Other than that, they have nothing in common with you, and will just spend their time maybe building better skyscrapers in their countries.

 

Besides which, just like to point out that VIRTUALLY ALL TRUE Muslims, not anti-Islam ex-muslims like most Iranians, totally condemn Ahmadinejad's version of Islam, and I think it is those people's perceptions of Islam, as worshippers etc... count more, as they are the only true representative of Islam. So like it or not, your interpretation of Islam as a political, cut-throat religion is radical minority - just like that of terrorists. If you believe in what you said about Islam, I'm sure a black van will pull up and kidnap you to Guantanamo Bay for such a sick, twisted belief.

 

Neither you or I are Muslims, so I don't think either has any right to define the muslim people or their faith - only they have that right.

It's as insulting as me saying "all Persians want to rape you and steal your 's" without being a Persian myself.

 

Also, this discussion is totally offtopic, so how about we start a new thread for this discussion if others are interested or take it to PM's?

I'm Iranian, and a Muslim and your getting pretty offensive to me, what the hell is this giving weapons to youth and training them to bomb sh*t?

Thank your iranian friend for starting this when he doesn't know what the f*ck is he talking about

[freak2121]

Well can't blame him, all of the iranians who aren't muslim always started things like this, but this thread is getting way too offtopic!

[dawg1990]

how about we all relax and take a look at those 2 bitches, 1 is arabic and the other one is black

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=l_HvO1LtTsA&feature=related

 

 

LMAO

[freak2121]

how about we all relax and take a look at those 2 bitches, 1 is arabic and the other one is black

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=l_HvO1LtTsA&feature=related

 

 

LMAO

What does that have to do with the thread?

[Stefan.]

I'd say Jordan is more progressed than Iran. Iran is headed by that terrorist Ahmedinejad, while Jordan is headed by a peaceful King. Also, Iran's leadership are all war-mongering Shi'ite Muslims, while I think the Jordans are Sunnis (correct me if I'm wrong).

[kevin2006rhs]

You know,historically 'Arabs' have been often against Persians.The last example I can remember is the ludicrous 'Arabian gulf' misnaming of the true 'Persian gulf' by those gulf-bordering Arab regions via the National Geographies society.

 

It is Arab Gulf as most people living near it are Arabs, like it or not, and I for one will continue lobbying towards that name.

 

 

First off,I'm not a muslim,nor a supporter of the Islamic regime.

Gov is different from the nation particularly when it's about Iran.The more opposition against the Iranian government in the forms of public demonstrations/objections or by refusing to act the way such a totalitarian state has ordered is considered to be social progression.I presented some pics of hijab-less girls to show that the majority of the Iran's new generation of youth is not anymore abiding the Islamic state rules.It's progression,it's a sign of a silent liberal move which is growing more and more.

The Iranian gov is based on Islamic law.Execution is one of those ugly laws.

 

Like I said, your a complete idiot whose been munching too much on Khomeini's and that cockroach Ahmadinejad's dick propoganda to believe those fags are representing anything but their OWN political agendas not that of Islam. Islam never has, and never will have a political agenda unless you are a shi'ite extremist terrorist who deserves to be put down like a dog for all my family members your people have killed. Your Islam is twisted and wrong, and not everyone else is a terrorist, or believes their propoganda and gives them power of all things by saying their version of Islam is correct.

 

 

And as well,I brought up some pics of the Iranian girls because Dawg did that in the first place.He demonstrated how their people look like...So did I trying just to wipe off the stereotype.

 

Ok, thats cool, appologise for not realising that, I was at work and just skimmed over it. DAWG is the idiot in that respect then.

 

 

And bear in mind that when I cited 'Arabs' in my post,I wasn't generalizing them at all.You Iraqis,plus Egyptians and some other Arabs are amongst those who I hold respect for.In fact,I hardly consider you as Arabs.Iraq was a glorious state called Babel and Egypt has an awesome history with all that pharaohs and pyramids and all....

 

Cool, but I hope you realise how that was taken to be offensive by me, and I understand most us Iraqis and Egyptians and even those in Syria and the Levent aren't technically geneologically Arabs decended from the beduins, but we nonetheless still keep calling ourselves such due to the langauge. Not many people know that, so Kudos for that.

 

 

I was only talking about those small countries bordering the Persian gulf.Sorry if you took offence mate.Still I don't despise them at all...they are some independent countries I know.But It stings me when those guys at times ignore Iran or dislike my country when discussing about middle-east matters.

 

It's very hard for anyone not to hate Iran - or it's evil government and their evil warped version of Islam. And people like you claiming that those terrorists are what true Islam's about aren't helping, as it is an insult to say those murderers represent any religion - or humanity even. They are representing their own political agendas, and as long as you people wont realise that, you'll be disliked by Muslims and most non-extremists for mocking a religion that way, and hated by the west in spreading your hate propoganda ie Islam=Khomeini/Ahmadinejad. I'm sure in the US you can probably get arrested for that - indoctrinating muslims falsely with that crap.

 

 

Also,Muhammad was a political leader as well.Islam is a political religion to begin with.

 

... and you wonder why the West is embargoing you, and the whole middle-east except for the cocksuckers you brainwashed hating you. I'm sure most middle-eastern countries - despite our bad relationship with Israel, will fully support it's military action against Iran. Islam is nothing like that, and you sir are an anti-Islam bigot, whose using your false propoganda image of Islam to give reason for both the anti-Islam far right groups who are lobbying with all they can to bomb your country, Iran, and the terrorists who are brainwashing youth and giving them weapons and training to bomb my country, Iraq.

 

 

I know and I agree this is a multi-ethnic world.I also concur on the fact that international ties are important in the advancement of a country.

But you all over your post failed to realize that I was merely counter-replying the dawg1990 points.

He said we have tall buildings and high rise buildings etc.So I tried to prove him and Iran can also do that.But since the economical corruptness of Iran ,and maybe due to the fact that USA has embargoed Iran there are less skyscrapers than in Jordan or UAE.I think the latter has less to do with that matter.

Not that I favor our current tension with the US,rather I'd like my country to have all-round relations with America.

The principal matter here is that the crappy gov sets aside insufficient budget to things like that;otherwise we could have a city as modern and good-looking as dubai.Screw our state then.

 

But guess what?Without a hand from America unlike those gulf-bordering Arabs we have a communications tower namely Milad.(1-Maybe it's nothing compared to many a such buildings in Jordan or UAE or elsewhere. 2-again,nothing against America here,just trying to prove we have the potential to progress rather quicker and with less 'brakes' in the way,only if the tensions with the US calms down and the relations with that country normalizes...).

 

I am totally against embargoes and sanctions - I lived in Iraq during the sanctions, so I know from the sh*t side. However, if that Iranian regime has, with the embargoes, managed to brainwash their twisted version of Islam into every Iranian, and causing hell in Iraq, imagine what they'll do with free trade.

 

 

You don't know that the hell you're talking about,do you?

Stick this to your f*cking mind,objection in any form of it under the pressure of such a aggressive Islamic regime IS a gradual progression.

Those who you call ultra-secular and superficial groups are the protestant movements trying to enlighten and cure the Islamic-infected minds of Iranian youth with telling them about their true heritage and tradition;thus the two extreme opposites there.The secular-tending one(with websites like this) are there to inspire a through anti-Islam movement in Iran.they have to act as extremely as Islamists ,since the fact is that the stupid reformist party couldn't help one bit to loosen the regime's power.they were a bunch of reformist muslims whose attempt failed to create a less strict governship.

I still stress,Iran IS amongst the most freaking socially progressive country in the middle-east along with Turkey perhaps.

There's Saudi Arabia with such a horrible hereditary-type state,for instance...no rights for women,a dreadful Sunni-based country.Or take Kuwait for another example;where women couldn't vote not long ago...many examples like this.

 

Yes I do know what the f*ck I'm talking about. It is so remarkable to see you so nationalistic that you are willing to blame all the evil by your government on a religion rather than realise there are f*cked up Iranians or Persians who are pure evil. We had to come to terms of it with Saddam, and I guess soon it'll be your turn to bite a bullet - or a few precision-aimed Israel bombs lol. Being as extremist but the other way is never the solution and an indicator of a society that has as to yet not progressed fully to comprehend that extremism is wrong.

 

And ever heard the phrase 'charity begins at home'? Maybe you should make Iran that ultra-secular anti-religious state before mocking others.

Despite me hating it, I think it'll still be a great idea, as you wont be able to brain-wash any more Sadr c*nts into wreacking havoc in Iraq for your advantage, with propoganda of Iran=Islam. Also when that happens, Iran will loose all influence in the Middle-East, which in my book is as close to heaven as we'll get - Iran's main claws into power in the Mid-East is Propoganda with their political agendas being true Shia Islam. Other than that, they have nothing in common with you, and will just spend their time maybe building better skyscrapers in their countries.

 

Besides which, just like to point out that VIRTUALLY ALL TRUE Muslims, not anti-Islam ex-muslims like most Iranians, totally condemn Ahmadinejad's version of Islam, and I think it is those people's perceptions of Islam, as worshippers etc... count more, as they are the only true representative of Islam. So like it or not, your interpretation of Islam as a political, cut-throat religion is radical minority - just like that of terrorists. If you believe in what you said about Islam, I'm sure a black van will pull up and kidnap you to Guantanamo Bay for such a sick, twisted belief.

 

Neither you or I are Muslims, so I don't think either has any right to define the muslim people or their faith - only they have that right.

It's as insulting as me saying "all Persians want to rape you and steal your 's" without being a Persian myself.

 

Also, this discussion is totally offtopic, so how about we start a new thread for this discussion if others are interested or take it to PM's?

I'm Iranian, and a Muslim and your getting pretty offensive to me, what the hell is this giving weapons to youth and training them to bomb sh*t?

Thank your iranian friend for starting this when he doesn't know what the f*ck is he talking about

2000+ years of holy war and this is it...it has finally evolved to e-fighting. Israel's Elite Spammer Division vs The Arab's Flaming Freedom Fighters.

 

 

Wait till the Taliban gets off Dial-up and upgrades to Cable. E-Terror

[Stefan.]

None of them are Jews.

[dawg1990]

None of them are Jews.

lol yeh nobody here is jewish lmao

[kevin2006rhs]

None of them are Jews.

lol yeh nobody here is jewish lmao

No...my great grandmother (mom's mom's mom) was jewish.

 

 

If you got something to say your going to have to take it up with 1/8th my heritage. I am gonna open up 1/8th a cann of whoopass on you anti-semitic bastards. Then I am gonna kick you while you are down with my Russian side.

[technomm]

 

It is Arab Gulf as most people living near it are Arabs, like it or not, and I for one will continue lobbying towards that name.

f*ck you,I mean f*ck you to the bone!

With that quote I now despise you...ARGH!

I leave the judgement of that crappy statement to readers.

Edit: http://www.petitiononline.com/sos02082/petition.html

 

 

Yes I do know what the f*ck I'm talking about. It is so remarkable to see you so nationalistic that you are willing to blame all the evil by your government on a religion rather than realise there are f*cked up Iranians or Persians who are pure evil. We had to come to terms of it with Saddam, and I guess soon it'll be your turn to bite a bullet - or a few precision-aimed Israel bombs lol. Being as extremist but the other way is never the solution and an indicator of a society that has as to yet not progressed fully to comprehend that extremism is wrong.

 

Everyone is a nationalist in one way or the other.

But me and my fellows are blaming the current state of our country on the conservative regime and its basis,Islam.

In case you don't know,we have had a monarchy state before the Islamic revolution takes place.Guess what? I don't agree with their acts and being a monarchy I tend to object against it...still If anything,I do hold kind of respect for them for trying to get rid of Islam.And again America and Britain and the west generally were giving backrub to the monarchy.

 

So again you don't know what the f*ck you are vomiting.You like Israel to bomb Iran,this is the same Israel who are against Islam ,particularly against the Sunni palestinian state.You hate our gov as I do,then again you despise the former nationalist racist Aryan-inclined monarchy.So it seems that you want a Sunni Iran because crystal clear you are a sunni muslim hiding yourself behind a pseudo-freedom supporter masking.

Likewise,I could say that It's of my interest Israel trying to take over the Palestinian state throughly and send those muslims back to where they belong...hell I even could favor our neighbor being the secular Israel instead of this sloppy Islam land, Iraq;sounds good?

 

And you are favoring Israel the country which was involved in a long-term war with arabs....how Ironic.

You are defending the Sunni Islam,the sect which invaded Iran,Egypt and Iraq thousand years ago.The sect which the Ottoman tried to revive it by attacking on other countries.sh*t It was Sunni,the sect you favor rather than Shiite,which invaded my country brutally during the 8 years war of Iran-Iraq....

The tombs of Shiite Imam are there in Iraq.So instead of throwing up crap out of your mouth,get bold and destroy them.With doing so you would help Iranians to not travel to Iraq like some lost face frustrated dicks solely for worshiping/admiring a bunch of Arab Imams.I guess its for your own good too.

 

Those anti-Islam movements which you scorn them plainly,they are backed by USA(your residence country) and the Britain and many other countries in the west and east.I tell you to visit this website: www.efsha.co.uk once again and see if you can find a racist theme in its articles.They are Anti-Islam like me and my fellow travelers.But not Anti-normal 'arabs'.dawg1990 seems to be inclined to fall under this group of seemingly peaceful-arabs...wholly unlike you.

 

 

 

 

As for the rest of your reply I see you have a only one point there: Islam isn't political,rather it's the Iranian gov and the shiite sect who is twisting it to their political advantage.Sunni is the true Islam and shiite is twisted.

I for one reject any type of Islam...twisted or not,pseudo-peaceful or not...There's no such thing as peaceful Islam.Those muslims which seem to be more pacific are in fact not practicing the true Islam.I guarantee this is a fact.

 

 

You are obviously a sunni muslim apologist.I don't bother arguing with you anymore.I could do that but you are an Arab who hates Iran with or without the current Islamic regime.You don't recognize the 'Persian gulf',those who you're speaking for don't recognize the Greater and Lesser Tunbs to be in the ownership of Iran...You are supporting a bunch of arabs who either defended Saddam in practice or remained silent and indirectly justified his war on Iran and also further helped saddam's regime with different types of bombs.

You are supporting a religion which invaded Egypt ,Afghanistan,Iraq,Iran and elsewhere in the whole middle east and took control then.

 

Your idiocy specially becomes clear as hell when say:

 

totally condemn Ahmadinejad's version of Islam,

...

Ahmadinejad is only a plaything you dumbass.

 

 

Neither you or I are Muslims, so I don't think either has any right to define the muslim people or their faith - only they have that right

My family is actually muslim and my relatives too.I myself am an ex-muslim. Shut your mouth please.

 

 

 

By the way,I must admit Iran,a revolutionary country ,ain't as socially progressive as Jordan;with over 70 millions of population and a massive land size and many different races(Turks,kurds etc) under the heavy pressure of an oppressive regime which also endured a bloody 8-years war with Iraq plus the constant sanctions issued by the US...It's not much of a surprise IMO.

Edit: Nonetheless,I still stand by my claim that Iran is relatively the most one socially progressive country in the middle east at least, despite the aforementioned facts and problems therein.

 

And last thing,you may want to check this thread out.See? I was stupidly oversensitive back then.

I rest my case.

/Off-topic over

 

 

@dawg1990: Sorry if you were offended by showing a number of pics which counters your country's pics.

By the way,I see Jordan has also some ancient buildings and aged constructions.Can please give me some info(preferably in a PM) when they were built and by whom? Just curious to know.

 

*Plays Oxygene Part 13 and listens to the sound of peace*

Edited May 18, 2008 by technomm

[D- Ice]

My God you are so filled with hate and confusion! Can just imagine you bashing your keyboard with your fingers till they're bloodied, then resorting to that thick armoured skull of yours.

 

 

Everyone is a nationalist in one way or the other.

No we aren't silly.

 

 

and its basis,Islam

Not the peacefull Islam I was bought up on!

 

 

So again you don't know what the f*ck you are vomiting

... ain't that a piece of carrot right there, sweetcorn skins and rotten Iranian propoganda.

 

 

You hate our gov as I do,then again you despise the former nationalist racist Aryan-inclined monarchy.So it seems that you want a Sunni Iran...

Wow, you should have as much babies as possible because the world needs more people that intelligent! Via a complex process of elimination, you calculated that since I don't want a dirty Khomeini-puppet government that uses Islam as a cover for twisted politics, and I also don't want a racist Aryan-spremacy government in Iran, I MUST want an Extremist Sunni government.

 

From that you deduce me as....

 

...because crystal clear you are a sunni muslim hiding yourself behind a pseudo-freedom supporter masking.

 

 

...this sloppy Islam land, Iraq;sounds good?

Iraq was secular under Saddam, until those Khmeinist fa**ot and militias and terrorists came in. Al Qaeda popped their ugly heads out their asses due to Coalition failure, but now they are almost wiped out thanks to US-backed Sunni Awakening. What remains are the Iranian backed militias, who our Iranian-backed government is not lifting a finger to eliminate - infact they are using them for death squads to silence opposition.

 

 

And you are favoring Israel the country which was involved in a long-term war with arabs....how Ironic.

Yes, I am willing to support the devil against Iran - hell I am even willing to back anti-Islam idiots like you who shame humanity, give a bad name to a religion no more violent than any other, which I was bought up as, and in the process give credit to the extremists f*cked up, twisted version of Islam. Now that is saying a lot!

 

 

You are defending the Sunni Islam,the sect which invaded Iran,Egypt and Iraq thousand years ago.The sect which the Ottoman tried to revive it by attacking on other countries.sh*t It was Sunni,the sect you favor rather than Shiite,which invaded my country brutally during the 8 years war of Iran-Iraq....

The tombs of Shiite Imam are there in Iraq.

 

You are obviously a sunni muslim apologist.I don't bother arguing with you anymore.I could do that but you are an Arab who hates Iran with or without the current Islamic regime.You don't recognize the 'Persian gulf',those who you're speaking for don't recognize the Greater and Lesser Tunbs to be in the ownership of Iran...You are supporting a bunch of arabs who either defended Saddam in practice or remained silent and indirectly justified his war on Iran and also further helped saddam's regime with different types of bombs.

You are supporting a religion which invaded Egypt ,Afghanistan,Iraq,Iran  and elsewhere in the whole middle east and took control then.

Yes, I am an anti-shia, Arak-drinking, baby shia kid eating, gambing addict, sectarian bigot, because I enjoyed my time in Iraq so much I left my family and all my loved ones to come here. f*cking genius!

 

 

So instead of throwing up crap out of your mouth,get bold and destroy them.With doing so you would help Iranians to not travel to Iraq like some lost face frustrated dicks solely for worshiping/admiring a bunch of Arab Imams.I guess its for your own good too.

Not all of us were raised brainwashed from an early age on the extremist version of Islam that says blowing sh*t up is the solution to everything...

 

 

They are Anti-Islam like me and my fellow travelers.But not Anti-normal 'arabs'.dawg1990 seems to be inclined to fall under this group of seemingly peaceful-arabs...wholly unlike you.

 

 

@dawg1990: Sorry if you were offended by showing a number of pics which counters your country's pics.

By the way,I see Jordan has also some ancient buildings and aged constructions.Can please give me some info(preferably in a PM) when they were built and by whom? Just curious to know.

 

Just a minute ago I was scared you was gonna slice his throat! What made you change your view of him so quick, and lead to those compliments?

Either you two secretly made out, or your kissing ass for some support against me. I'm smelling something fishy, and it ain't your pussy.

 

 

My family is actually muslim and my relatives too.I myself am an ex-muslim. Shut your mouth please.

If they follow the violent, blood-thirsty, sadistic, twisted and false version of Islam you described, and is used by Al Qaeda and the Iranian government, I sincerely hope they are wearing bright orange clothes, and can be found residing in the cages of Guantanamo Bay.

 

BTW, we both strongly oppose that racist, oppressive and anti-semetic government of that c*nt Khomeini and his cock-sucking cockroach Ahmadinejad. Like I said, I'm willing to support even the devil (if he exists) against them, so despite hating their extremist ideologies, I support both Israel and the Ultra-Secular/Anti-Islam Iranian movements against the current government. Besides which, an anti-Slam Iran wont be able to claw it's influence into the Middle-East like the current one, under the veil of Islam - which is exactly what most Middle-Easterners want.

 

Why do I care about how you get there (saying all Islam is evil), as long as you get there, which is an advantage to us too.

Edited May 18, 2008 by D- Ice

[GTAdedan]

IMO, religion is just stupid, in the whole history every war was about religion. they all say to each other that their god doesn't exsist, so which really does exsist and how would you know? because it's written in a book!? I don't believe in any god or anything, I just live my life.

So making fun of a religion doesn't look like a crime to me, those muslims are heavily overreacting. I mean, when someone says Muhammed is an asshole. then they will come with bombs sticked to their bodies to blow themselves and you up.

[dawg1990]

 

Just a minute ago I was scared you was gonna slice his throat! What made you change your view of him so quick, and lead to those compliments?

Either you two secretly made out, or your kissing ass for some support against me. I'm smelling something fishy, and it ain't your pussy.

 

You offended me with your comment there , please don't say that again, by the way im a homo hater, i dont like gay people but thats just my opinion, im not against you or anyone here, what made his opinion change is that I proved to him that his country is not better than mine.

 

 

[Otter]

Just a minute ago I was scared you was gonna slice his throat! What made you change your view of him so quick, and lead to those compliments?

Either you two secretly made out, or your kissing ass for some support against me. I'm smelling something fishy, and it ain't your pussy.

 

You offended me with your comment there , please don't say that again, by the way im a homo hater, i dont like gay people but thats just my opinion, im not against you or anyone here, what made his opinion change is that I proved to him that his country is not better than mine.

If you hate people so transparently, perhaps it's best if you leave the forum and never return.

[D- Ice]

 

Just a minute ago I was scared you was gonna slice his throat! What made you change your view of him so quick, and lead to those compliments?

Either you two secretly made out, or your kissing ass for some support against me. I'm smelling something fishy, and it ain't your pussy.

 

You offended me with your comment there , please don't say that again, by the way im a homo hater, i dont like gay people but thats just my opinion, im not against you or anyone here, what made his opinion change is that I proved to him that his country is not better than mine.

Lol I believe you just offended more people than me . I wasn't trying to imply anything about homosexuality, but just using one of my twisted metaphors about how one second he's calling you a 'boot-licking arab', the next totally backing your opinion and praising Jordan. A few minutes ago he wasn't recognising Jordan as having any ancient history (as thats an insult in his nationalistic f*cked-up mind), now he's saying it has awsome ruins.

Think of it as you will bro, but I doubt he's convinced as much as trying to round you up against me in a a pathetic childish manner.

 

EDIT: Sorry, this is my last offtopic post here. If anyone wants to discuss this Iran stuff, please PM me or start a new Thread in Debates & Discussions, which i think where it truely belongs. Thanks.

Edited May 19, 2008 by D- Ice

[dawg1990]

Just a minute ago I was scared you was gonna slice his throat! What made you change your view of him so quick, and lead to those compliments?

Either you two secretly made out, or your kissing ass for some support against me. I'm smelling something fishy, and it ain't your pussy.

 

You offended me with your comment there , please don't say that again, by the way im a homo hater, i dont like gay people but thats just my opinion, im not against you or anyone here, what made his opinion change is that I proved to him that his country is not better than mine.

Lol I believe you just offended more people than me . I wasn't trying to imply anything about homosexuality, but just using one of my twisted metaphors about how one second he's calling you a 'boot-licking arab', the next totally backing your opinion and praising Jordan. A few minutes ago he wasn't recognising Jordan as having any ancient history (as thats an insult in his nationalistic f*cked-up mind), now he's saying it has awsome ruins.

Think of it as you will bro, but I doubt he's convinced as much as trying to round you up against me in a apthetic childish manner.

Lol don't worry i aint never going against you