Grand Theft Jesus

April 14, 2008

WHAT THE HECK DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH GTA?!!!!

by the way God loves you

god is a racist by letting small black children starve in Afrika.

awwwwww....... that's so nice

God still loves you

I love him 2

"Attempting to prove someone else wrong doesn't automatically make you right. Actually, it makes you look like kind of a douche..."

Well said! You need proof aswell! and what does the proof point at? thats right people!

April 14, 2008

by the way this is a very fun topic

April 14, 2008

"why don't we lighten things up and talk about abortion?"

Beetlejuice thinks abortion is good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xM2QQf7Jixc

April 14, 2008

I like islam more then christianity. Becuse they dont have the talking snake and have not as many casualties... yet

April 14, 2008

"why don't we lighten things up and talk about abortion?"

Beetlejuice thinks abortion is good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xM2QQf7Jixc

i'd vote for him.

April 14, 2008

I like islam more then christianity. Becuse they dont have the talking snake and have not as many casualties... yet

Why don't you become a muslim then? Why are you an atheist?

April 14, 2008

I like islam more then christianity. Becuse they dont have the talking snake and have not as many casualties... yet

...it wasn't a snake, [email protected], it was a serpent. When translated from Hebrew it lost much of its meaning; the significance of "serpent" is actually that of a giant monster capable of devouring Adam, Eve, and all serenity as they knew it. That's why they caved in and disobeyed God.

It wasn't a dinky-ass talking snake.

Do some research, first. Even if you don't agree with something, it's still kinda fun to learn about it...

April 14, 2008

I like islam more then christianity. Becuse they dont have the talking snake and have not as many casualties... yet

Why don't you become a muslim then? Why are you an atheist?

Read my replies tard

hehe... serpent

Where do the dinosaurs fit in

your point of view, of your parents point of view, of the catholic point of view of the christian point of view of the jewish point of view of moses point of view of life

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent

Ouch, my eyes!

Edited April 14, 2008 by Jegermeister0

April 14, 2008

Do you really believe that your body with all its complexities was just an accident. Come on, use your brain for just a minute.

No, it was not an accident. It happened through millions of years of evolution. And since your idea of "using your brain" amounts to "The magic man poofed it out of thin air" I think you should step back, open some science books & open your mind to the truth. Don't just sit there & deny things because they go against your beliefs. Learn to evolve your knowledge.

It doesn't matter what you believe or a Christian believes. Being a physician, going through medical school alone learning the intricacies of the systemic functions of the body is enough alone to convince me about design and intention. The purpose and code imbedded in the nucleus of a cell is unexplainable, though we are getting closer and closer - it is still very vague and differentiation of cell function is very unknown. You may argue code, code, code but it goes beyond code.

I also had a bit of a laugh with a poster above who said the big bang just happened and that it is all evidence. As a scientist, that statement alone is not true. Impossible at this point to know that the big bang came before all - even objective scientists in the know will tell you this.

Anywho, it doesn't matter what anyone believes on here because nobody is going to convince anyone else of their side. That is what gets me about arguments such as this - you cannot get anywhere with inflamatory speech and certainly nobody is going to be 'converted' to either side on a GTA message board.

Please do not lump all Christians into non-logical and unintelligent or weak, as I will not make assumptions regarding atheists or anyone else. I strive to love everyone though this can be difficult.

My .02.

Dr. John

April 14, 2008

I like islam more then christianity. Becuse they dont have the talking snake and have not as many casualties... yet

...it wasn't a snake, [email protected], it was a serpent. When translated from Hebrew it lost much of its meaning; the significance of "serpent" is actually that of a giant monster capable of devouring Adam, Eve, and all serenity as they knew it. That's why they caved in and disobeyed God.

It wasn't a dinky-ass talking snake.

Do some research, first. Even if you don't agree with something, it's still kinda fun to learn about it...

well you cant blame him for not knowing since you said it yourself it has lost its meaning.

April 14, 2008

I like islam more then christianity. Becuse they dont have the talking snake and have not as many casualties... yet

...it wasn't a snake, [email protected], it was a serpent. When translated from Hebrew it lost much of its meaning; the significance of "serpent" is actually that of a giant monster capable of devouring Adam, Eve, and all serenity as they knew it. That's why they caved in and disobeyed God.

It wasn't a dinky-ass talking snake.

Do some research, first. Even if you don't agree with something, it's still kinda fun to learn about it...

well you cant blame him for not knowing since you said it yourself it has lost its meaning.

Not in the way the story was interpreted, but rather, our societies definition of "serpent." It just helps to know the etymology of what we speak....or else, what's the point in speaking

...but I see your point

April 14, 2008

I like islam more then christianity. Becuse they dont have the talking snake and have not as many casualties... yet

...it wasn't a snake, [email protected], it was a serpent. When translated from Hebrew it lost much of its meaning; the significance of "serpent" is actually that of a giant monster capable of devouring Adam, Eve, and all serenity as they knew it. That's why they caved in and disobeyed God.

It wasn't a dinky-ass talking snake.

Do some research, first. Even if you don't agree with something, it's still kinda fun to learn about it...

Okay, some trivia questions;

Adam & Eve were the first two people on Earth. They had 2 sons, Cain & Abel. Cain & Abel got married. TO WHO?

What did the meat-eating animals eat aboard the Ark? When they got off the Ark?

Bonus question: What type of fruit was the forbidden fruit?

April 14, 2008

I like islam more then christianity. Becuse they dont have the talking snake and have not as many casualties... yet

...it wasn't a snake, [email protected], it was a serpent. When translated from Hebrew it lost much of its meaning; the significance of "serpent" is actually that of a giant monster capable of devouring Adam, Eve, and all serenity as they knew it. That's why they caved in and disobeyed God.

It wasn't a dinky-ass talking snake.

Do some research, first. Even if you don't agree with something, it's still kinda fun to learn about it...

Okay, some trivia questions;

Adam & Eve were the first two people on Earth. They had 2 sons, Cain & Abel. Cain & Abel got married. TO WHO?

What did the meat-eating animals eat aboard the Ark? When they got off the Ark?

Bonus question: What type of fruit was the forbidden fruit?

1- Each other

2- On the ark = their hopes and dreams

Off the ark = their kids

3- Skittles

I was debating wither or not to take your reply seriously, and this just sounded like more fun

April 14, 2008

Do you really believe that your body with all its complexities was just an accident. Come on, use your brain for just a minute.

No, it was not an accident. It happened through millions of years of evolution. And since your idea of "using your brain" amounts to "The magic man poofed it out of thin air" I think you should step back, open some science books & open your mind to the truth. Don't just sit there & deny things because they go against your beliefs. Learn to evolve your knowledge.

It doesn't matter what you believe or a Christian believes. Being a physician, going through medical school alone learning the intricacies of the systemic functions of the body is enough alone to convince me about design and intention. The purpose and code imbedded in the nucleus of a cell is unexplainable, though we are getting closer and closer - it is still very vague and differentiation of cell function is very unknown. You may argue code, code, code but it goes beyond code.

I also had a bit of a laugh with a poster above who said the big bang just happened and that it is all evidence. As a scientist, that statement alone is not true. Impossible at this point to know that the big bang came before all - even objective scientists in the know will tell you this.

Anywho, it doesn't matter what anyone believes on here because nobody is going to convince anyone else of their side. That is what gets me about arguments such as this - you cannot get anywhere with inflamatory speech and certainly nobody is going to be 'converted' to either side on a GTA message board.

Please do not lump all Christians into non-logical and unintelligent or weak, as I will not make assumptions regarding atheists or anyone else. I strive to love everyone though this can be difficult.

My .02.

Dr. John

True

April 14, 2008

I like islam more then christianity. Becuse they dont have the talking snake and have not as many casualties... yet

...it wasn't a snake, [email protected], it was a serpent. When translated from Hebrew it lost much of its meaning; the significance of "serpent" is actually that of a giant monster capable of devouring Adam, Eve, and all serenity as they knew it. That's why they caved in and disobeyed God.

It wasn't a dinky-ass talking snake.

Do some research, first. Even if you don't agree with something, it's still kinda fun to learn about it...

Okay, some trivia questions;

Adam & Eve were the first two people on Earth. They had 2 sons, Cain & Abel. Cain & Abel got married. TO WHO?

What did the meat-eating animals eat aboard the Ark? When they got off the Ark?

Bonus question: What type of fruit was the forbidden fruit?

1- Each other

2- On the ark = their hopes and dreams

Off the ark = their kids

3- Skittles

I was debating wither or not to take your reply seriously, and this just sounded like more fun

you are right about one thing.

back then you were definitely not supposed to taste the rainbow

April 14, 2008

I like islam more then christianity. Becuse they dont have the talking snake and have not as many casualties... yet

...it wasn't a snake, [email protected], it was a serpent. When translated from Hebrew it lost much of its meaning; the significance of "serpent" is actually that of a giant monster capable of devouring Adam, Eve, and all serenity as they knew it. That's why they caved in and disobeyed God.

It wasn't a dinky-ass talking snake.

Do some research, first. Even if you don't agree with something, it's still kinda fun to learn about it...

Okay, some trivia questions;

Adam & Eve were the first two people on Earth. They had 2 sons, Cain & Abel. Cain & Abel got married. TO WHO?

What did the meat-eating animals eat aboard the Ark? When they got off the Ark?

Bonus question: What type of fruit was the forbidden fruit?

1- Each other

2- On the ark = their hopes and dreams

Off the ark = their kids

3- Skittles

I was debating wither or not to take your reply seriously, and this just sounded like more fun

Skittles is correct!

The first 2 are questions that prove the stories of Adam & Eve & Noah's Ark are just stories with morals. Most people, even people who believe in the words of the bible know that these stories are not true. Although there are still some who do believe they really happened.

Question 3 is actually just a question to show how many really read the bible. The type of fruit is never said, although most would say apple, based on famous paintings & films.

April 14, 2008

High five silent Hill?

April 14, 2008

Cain had a twin sister and so did Abel.

April 14, 2008

Do you really believe that your body with all its complexities was just an accident. Come on, use your brain for just a minute.

No, it was not an accident. It happened through millions of years of evolution. And since your idea of "using your brain" amounts to "The magic man poofed it out of thin air" I think you should step back, open some science books & open your mind to the truth. Don't just sit there & deny things because they go against your beliefs. Learn to evolve your knowledge.

It doesn't matter what you believe or a Christian believes. Being a physician, going through medical school alone learning the intricacies of the systemic functions of the body is enough alone to convince me about design and intention. The purpose and code imbedded in the nucleus of a cell is unexplainable, though we are getting closer and closer - it is still very vague and differentiation of cell function is very unknown. You may argue code, code, code but it goes beyond code.

I also had a bit of a laugh with a poster above who said the big bang just happened and that it is all evidence. As a scientist, that statement alone is not true. Impossible at this point to know that the big bang came before all - even objective scientists in the know will tell you this.

Anywho, it doesn't matter what anyone believes on here because nobody is going to convince anyone else of their side. That is what gets me about arguments such as this - you cannot get anywhere with inflamatory speech and certainly nobody is going to be 'converted' to either side on a GTA message board.

Please do not lump all Christians into non-logical and unintelligent or weak, as I will not make assumptions regarding atheists or anyone else. I strive to love everyone though this can be difficult.

My .02.

Dr. John

Oh, I didn't say unintelligent or weak. A lot of religious believers are smart. As for illogical, a point can be made that to believe without evidence is illogical. To be convinced of magic because something evolved into a complex being is illogical & kind of "close-the-book, story over" closed-minded.

And no, the Big Bang is not proven, although there is proof to back it up. A hell of a lot more proof than basically NOTHING.

You're right, no one is going to turn someone to the other side. I ran a religious debate board for many years. And throughout our intelligent (and sometimes not intelligent) discussions, there was only one convert. A man who came to the board a Satanist & left with the belief in something else.

But it is fun to see why people do believe in what they do, don't you think?

April 14, 2008

that would be awesome if they did make fun of religion well religion by it self is a joke anyways its like staring at a dog taking a sh*t lol

April 14, 2008

Do you really believe that your body with all its complexities was just an accident. Come on, use your brain for just a minute.

No, it was not an accident. It happened through millions of years of evolution. And since your idea of "using your brain" amounts to "The magic man poofed it out of thin air" I think you should step back, open some science books & open your mind to the truth. Don't just sit there & deny things because they go against your beliefs. Learn to evolve your knowledge.

It doesn't matter what you believe or a Christian believes. Being a physician, going through medical school alone learning the intricacies of the systemic functions of the body is enough alone to convince me about design and intention. The purpose and code imbedded in the nucleus of a cell is unexplainable, though we are getting closer and closer - it is still very vague and differentiation of cell function is very unknown. You may argue code, code, code but it goes beyond code.

I also had a bit of a laugh with a poster above who said the big bang just happened and that it is all evidence. As a scientist, that statement alone is not true. Impossible at this point to know that the big bang came before all - even objective scientists in the know will tell you this.

Anywho, it doesn't matter what anyone believes on here because nobody is going to convince anyone else of their side. That is what gets me about arguments such as this - you cannot get anywhere with inflamatory speech and certainly nobody is going to be 'converted' to either side on a GTA message board.

Please do not lump all Christians into non-logical and unintelligent or weak, as I will not make assumptions regarding atheists or anyone else. I strive to love everyone though this can be difficult.

My .02.

Dr. John

Oh, I didn't say unintelligent or weak. A lot of religious believers are smart. As for illogical, a point can be made that to believe without evidence is illogical. To be convinced of magic because something evolved into a complex being is illogical & kind of "close-the-book, story over" closed-minded.

And no, the Big Bang is not proven, although there is proof to back it up. A hell of a lot more proof than basically NOTHING.

You're right, no one is going to turn someone to the other side. I ran a religious debate board for many years. And throughout our intelligent (and sometimes not intelligent) discussions, there was only one convert. A man who came to the board a Satanist & left with the belief in something else.

But it is fun to see why people do believe in what they do, don't you think?

Can we make peace now?

http://www.psy.fsu.edu/history/wnk/images/DandG_hug1.jpg

April 14, 2008

that would be awesome if they did make fun of religion well religion by it self is a joke anyways its like staring at a dog taking a sh*t lol

In what way is religion like watching a dog take a sh*t?

April 14, 2008

Attempting to prove someone else wrong doesn't automatically make you right. Actually, it makes you look like kind of a douche...

Well stated. You can apply that to your replies.

Edited April 14, 2008 by MrKlorox

April 14, 2008

that would be awesome if they did make fun of religion well religion by it self is a joke anyways its like staring at a dog taking a sh*t lol"

yeah i have to say that makes no sense whatsoever

April 14, 2008

I have no need to prove anyone wrong. They just have to prove themselves right.

April 14, 2008

um, is it time to lock the thread? I can't see what any of this has to do with GTA:IV. If anything it seems like this thread was created by and for little minds searching for internet affirmation of their logically challenged and facile belief systems. Anyone who claims 'science' has disproven 'religion' is confused. Science cannot 'prove' religion anymore than religion can 'prove' science. If someone claims they do, then they are making a *philosophical*, not scientific, claim. Always watch for philosophy masquerading as science, kids, it happens a lot these days.

To be sure, girls and boys, a lot of the 'arguments' I've read coming from the 'atheists' are not even real arguments. They are strawmen and ad hominem attacks commonly used in situations when someone has only a basic grasp (if that) of a topic, and refuses (or is incapable) to develop a more serious, reasoned statement.

I'll provide some hints for the 'atheists':

- Stop using YouTube clips as your source material

- Ignore the irreligious claims of comedians and the religious claims of televangelists

- Read up on your opponents' position via the opponents' own material. Ignore the standard, mainstream tripe (which doesn't make it into first year community college philosophy classes)

That last point is very important. If you want to win an argument, you need to be able to engage a person using the very sources they draw their argument from. For example, if I were to argue with a Catholic about the rights of an individual, I would read up on Augustine and Thomas Aquinas, who were instrumental in developing the Catholic (and Western) political philosophy.

::postscript:: The plurality of religions does not automatically falsify all religions. To claim that it does confuses proof and persuasion. Don't understand? Think about it.

April 14, 2008

Attempting to prove someone else wrong doesn't automatically make you right. Actually, it makes you look like kind of a douche...

Well stated. You can apply that to your reply.

Actually, no, I couldn't at all.

I made no argument attacking his standpoint, but rather was protecting a group that I thought was being falsely represented. I was not trying to prove him wrong, but rather trying to make both sides equally represented. By no means could you apply my quote to my own reply.

You also make the natural fallacy of assuming that i TOOK a side in the "argument." No where did I unequally attempt to show that one side was correct/incorrect, but I rather stated a grouping a facts. That doesn't place me on either side of the fence.

April 14, 2008

Do you really believe that your body with all its complexities was just an accident. Come on, use your brain for just a minute.

No, it was not an accident. It happened through millions of years of evolution. And since your idea of "using your brain" amounts to "The magic man poofed it out of thin air" I think you should step back, open some science books & open your mind to the truth. Don't just sit there & deny things because they go against your beliefs. Learn to evolve your knowledge.

It doesn't matter what you believe or a Christian believes. Being a physician, going through medical school alone learning the intricacies of the systemic functions of the body is enough alone to convince me about design and intention. The purpose and code imbedded in the nucleus of a cell is unexplainable, though we are getting closer and closer - it is still very vague and differentiation of cell function is very unknown. You may argue code, code, code but it goes beyond code.

I also had a bit of a laugh with a poster above who said the big bang just happened and that it is all evidence. As a scientist, that statement alone is not true. Impossible at this point to know that the big bang came before all - even objective scientists in the know will tell you this.

Anywho, it doesn't matter what anyone believes on here because nobody is going to convince anyone else of their side. That is what gets me about arguments such as this - you cannot get anywhere with inflamatory speech and certainly nobody is going to be 'converted' to either side on a GTA message board.

Please do not lump all Christians into non-logical and unintelligent or weak, as I will not make assumptions regarding atheists or anyone else. I strive to love everyone though this can be difficult.

My .02.

Dr. John

Oh, I didn't say unintelligent or weak. A lot of religious believers are smart. As for illogical, a point can be made that to believe without evidence is illogical. To be convinced of magic because something evolved into a complex being is illogical & kind of "close-the-book, story over" closed-minded.

And no, the Big Bang is not proven, although there is proof to back it up. A hell of a lot more proof than basically NOTHING.

You're right, no one is going to turn someone to the other side. I ran a religious debate board for many years. And throughout our intelligent (and sometimes not intelligent) discussions, there was only one convert. A man who came to the board a Satanist & left with the belief in something else.

But it is fun to see why people do believe in what they do, don't you think?

Actually, again, please do not assume. There are creationists who believe in a young and old earth. And by old, I mean millions of years...well you know this stuff already if you ran a board.

As someone who is a proponent of evolution alone without intelligence behind it, you surely know then that evolution and big bang - while being a wonderful theory and makes sense, still not a law.

To me it just makes much more sense knowing on a microbiological level that this was not accidental nor was it due to unicellular beings being the beginning to what is now an extremely complex human brain. There is no definitive proof of this as well, so please refrain from saying that Christians (or religion for that matter) is ridiculous for believing in a cloud-sitting person and making humankind "poof" out of the air when in fact there is tremendous burden to proove the very difficult questions that arise from evolution ALONE and the big bang ALONE. By the same logic and token, you (or those who choose to incite an angry response from a side in this case Christians seem to be the majority being ridiculed) are just as accountable to the same faith system, and in many cases (I won't get into this) much much more.

You surely also should know that a belief in a creator does not preclude the big bang theory from being very viable. I am so so very surprised that so many people who argue against creationism miss this!

But I'm just weak and unintelligent I suppose.

Yes it is true that there are closed minded types in Christianity and that is a shame because much of that or other things (molestation, for example) gives us a bad name when, in fact, this exists in ALL SIDES, no? I love how child molestation or closed-mindedness is singled out when arguing for/against religion. So there are no child molesters in the atheist community? Interesting.

At least we can agree (as Gog you pointed out) that there is not much of a point to this as you gave a good example with your board producing one 'convert' either way.

Finally, yes it is very interesting to debate such things, I would never disagree with this. It is when inflammatory speech and purposefully trying to incite anger from one side with ridicule is simply in need of a lock as it is very offensive to myself for one. Imagine me calling a certain race or culture weak, non-intelligent, etc. etc. Would this not beg for a lock?

April 14, 2008

I see most religions as evil because they imply that "god" is an entity separate from us and are a means to control people and their thoughts. The implication that there is an all knowing designer that has vengeance and loves to play jokes (aka "testing faith") and is in a race against "the devil" to win as many "souls" before the "end of days" is just f*cking silly. I have spirituality, but I do NOT have any imaginary friends like most.

April 14, 2008

Do you really believe that your body with all its complexities was just an accident. Come on, use your brain for just a minute.

No, it was not an accident. It happened through millions of years of evolution. And since your idea of "using your brain" amounts to "The magic man poofed it out of thin air" I think you should step back, open some science books & open your mind to the truth. Don't just sit there & deny things because they go against your beliefs. Learn to evolve your knowledge.

It doesn't matter what you believe or a Christian believes. Being a physician, going through medical school alone learning the intricacies of the systemic functions of the body is enough alone to convince me about design and intention. The purpose and code imbedded in the nucleus of a cell is unexplainable, though we are getting closer and closer - it is still very vague and differentiation of cell function is very unknown. You may argue code, code, code but it goes beyond code.

I also had a bit of a laugh with a poster above who said the big bang just happened and that it is all evidence. As a scientist, that statement alone is not true. Impossible at this point to know that the big bang came before all - even objective scientists in the know will tell you this.

Anywho, it doesn't matter what anyone believes on here because nobody is going to convince anyone else of their side. That is what gets me about arguments such as this - you cannot get anywhere with inflamatory speech and certainly nobody is going to be 'converted' to either side on a GTA message board.

Please do not lump all Christians into non-logical and unintelligent or weak, as I will not make assumptions regarding atheists or anyone else. I strive to love everyone though this can be difficult.

My .02.

Dr. John