my theory to why planes out?

[numdmind]

9/11 has nothing to do with it.  Planes wouldn't work in this game because there's not enough open space to fly them in.

 

But somehow Vice City, more than twice smaller, had space?

 

Yeah.

 

Yeah.

Yeah, one crappy plane in Vice City that flew very slowly...

 

It has nothing to do with 9/11...period. Nada. Zilch.

 

Stop bringing up this lame subject. No one cares about that crap anyway.

[blowdro420]

why doesn't everyone just fly HELICOPTERS?!

there still in, and they FLY!

 

problem solved.

[Ladicius]

 

9/11 has nothing to do with it.  Planes wouldn't work in this game because there's not enough open space to fly them in.

 

But somehow Vice City, more than twice smaller, had space?

 

Yeah.

 

Yeah.

Vice City had that crappy plane that could only land on water (VCS had a "normal" biplane, btw.)

 

9/11 had come and gone, TIME TO MOVE ON! Ohh, why don't they stop making Flight Simulators?! It could offend somebody!

 

R* had officially stated that 9/11 had nothing to do with planes missing. They said the reason was because there was only 1 city and 1 airport

I personally don't care if there are planes in the game or not. But this guy ^ must be cold blooded or just not remember that over 3000 people died that day. The heart breaking phone recordings of people saying their last goodbyes to their loved ones, or the hundreds of people jumping to their deaths, so they wouldn't be burned alive. I could go on and on, but that wouldn't change the fact that that guy is an a**hole. Tell Hitler I said " F**K OFF " when you see him.

Edited April 13, 2008 by Ladicius

[SerenUnderdog]

i second that

[WellsMcK]

9/11 has nothing to do with it.  Planes wouldn't work in this game because there's not enough open space to fly them in.

 

But somehow Vice City, more than twice smaller, had space?

 

Yeah.

 

Yeah.

Vice City had that crappy plane that could only land on water (VCS had a "normal" biplane, btw.)

 

9/11 had come and gone, TIME TO MOVE ON! Ohh, why don't they stop making Flight Simulators?! It could offend somebody!

 

R* had officially stated that 9/11 had nothing to do with planes missing. They said the reason was because there was only 1 city and 1 airport

I personally don't care if there are planes in the game or not. But this guy ^ must be cold blooded or just not remember that over 3000 people died that day. The heart breaking phone recordings of people saying their last goodbyes to their loved ones, or the hundreds of people jumping to their deaths, so they wouldn't be burned alive. I could go on and on, but that wouldn't change the fact that that guy is an a**hole. Tell Hitler I said " F**K OFF " when you see him.

Maybe he doesn't want to remember

[kietotheworld]

i think planes are out because of 9/11 i think they could of added planes to the game since they say the map is 3/4 of san andreas an that includes san andreas deserts and countryside. I feel there would be to much trouble if planes where on the game.

I wonder why no-one has thought of this before

[Dave_TE]

9/11 has nothing to do with it.  Planes wouldn't work in this game because there's not enough open space to fly them in.

 

But somehow Vice City, more than twice smaller, had space?

 

Yeah.

 

Yeah.

Vice City had that crappy plane that could only land on water (VCS had a "normal" biplane, btw.)

 

9/11 had come and gone, TIME TO MOVE ON! Ohh, why don't they stop making Flight Simulators?! It could offend somebody!

 

R* had officially stated that 9/11 had nothing to do with planes missing. They said the reason was because there was only 1 city and 1 airport

I personally don't care if there are planes in the game or not. But this guy ^ must be cold blooded or just not remember that over 3000 people died that day. The heart breaking phone recordings of people saying their last goodbyes to their loved ones, or the hundreds of people jumping to their deaths, so they wouldn't be burned alive. I could go on and on, but that wouldn't change the fact that that guy is an a**hole. Tell Hitler I said " F**K OFF " when you see him.

My God, I think ^ this guy has a problem.

I'm not denying the fact lots of people died that day. I'm just saying that 9/11 shouldn't affect the videogames so damn much, it happened 7 years ago. You could take an airliner in San Andreas and crash it into skyscraper, but noone gave a damn.

 

Oh, then tell me, Mr "Warm"-Blooded, why dont we ban WWII games? I mean, during this war, MILLIONS of people died a horrible death (More than 25 million people only in USSR).

[nlitement]

 

9/11 has nothing to do with it.  Planes wouldn't work in this game because there's not enough open space to fly them in.

 

But somehow Vice City, more than twice smaller, had space?

 

Yeah.

 

Yeah.

Vice City had that crappy plane that could only land on water (VCS had a "normal" biplane, btw.)

 

9/11 had come and gone, TIME TO MOVE ON! Ohh, why don't they stop making Flight Simulators?! It could offend somebody!

 

R* had officially stated that 9/11 had nothing to do with planes missing. They said the reason was because there was only 1 city and 1 airport

I personally don't care if there are planes in the game or not. But this guy ^ must be cold blooded or just not remember that over 3000 people died that day. The heart breaking phone recordings of people saying their last goodbyes to their loved ones, or the hundreds of people jumping to their deaths, so they wouldn't be burned alive. I could go on and on, but that wouldn't change the fact that that guy is an a**hole. Tell Hitler I said " F**K OFF " when you see him.

Typical American hyperpatriot.. unless YOU actually lost someone in 9/11. Boohoo.. there are many sad stories in life (talking about the phone recordings).

 

The lossess occured, mostly prematurely, but what the hell did he really say that's so offensive to you? He's right, get over it already.

[DDR Midian]

i think planes are out because of 9/11 i think they could of added planes to the game since they say the map is 3/4 of san andreas an that includes san andreas deserts and countryside. I feel there would be to much trouble if planes where on the game.

i dont think so, i mean the towers arent even in the game so whats the problem? they make fun of everyone else, jesus companies, other people ect, whats stopping them now?

 

plus where are you going to fly to? theres only one frickin' airport and the small size of the map wont even let you fly that far anyways.

maybe the families of the 3'000 dead, the firemen of NY, all the soldiers that embark on the war against terror ??oh and maybe an entire country ? and it's allies? and the general citizens of the world that were so shocked and sad a despaired after that that they all sworn "never again" ??

 

Dude, i'm not even a yankee, and i already know this would be wrong and that we'll have hundreds of youtube vids of plane crashing on the empire state building

 

If there were planes I would crash them into Empire State Building, but the fly area in the city is too small.

 

heh just look the post previous mine, already a moron talkin about doing it

More than 3000 people die from gunshot wounds every year, yet guns are still in.

[SerenUnderdog]

9/11 has nothing to do with it.  Planes wouldn't work in this game because there's not enough open space to fly them in.

 

But somehow Vice City, more than twice smaller, had space?

 

Yeah.

 

Yeah.

Vice City had that crappy plane that could only land on water (VCS had a "normal" biplane, btw.)

 

9/11 had come and gone, TIME TO MOVE ON! Ohh, why don't they stop making Flight Simulators?! It could offend somebody!

 

R* had officially stated that 9/11 had nothing to do with planes missing. They said the reason was because there was only 1 city and 1 airport

I personally don't care if there are planes in the game or not. But this guy ^ must be cold blooded or just not remember that over 3000 people died that day. The heart breaking phone recordings of people saying their last goodbyes to their loved ones, or the hundreds of people jumping to their deaths, so they wouldn't be burned alive. I could go on and on, but that wouldn't change the fact that that guy is an a**hole. Tell Hitler I said " F**K OFF " when you see him.

My God, I think ^ this guy has a problem.

I'm not denying the fact lots of people died that day. I'm just saying that 9/11 shouldn't affect the videogames so damn much, it happened 7 years ago. You could take an airliner in San Andreas and crash it into skyscraper, but noone gave a damn.

 

Oh, then tell me, Mr "Warm"-Blooded, why dont we ban WWII games? I mean, during this war, MILLIONS of people died a horrible death (More than 25 million people only in USSR).

I don't think "SIM Death Camp, the jews edition" is out yet.

SA wasn't new york, LC is NY, no matter how you put this, houser himself says " we wanted to do NY"

[Y0urSw33t666]

9/11 has nothing to do with it. Planes wouldn't work in this game because there's not enough open space to fly them in.

But funnily enough their is room for helicopters

[DDR Midian]

9/11 has nothing to do with it.  Planes wouldn't work in this game because there's not enough open space to fly them in.

But funnily enough their is room for helicopters

There is a slight difference in the way helicopters and planes move. See if you can spot it

[Ladicius]

WWII games you play a soldier, soldiers sign up knowing they may not make it home. I surprised you don't say: Hey why don't they make a game where you crucify Jesus, after all that happen over 2000 years ago.

[tooji]

Cause it's too small of a map for planes so the only thing you could do with them is fly into buildings with them....

[shunsuke]

i think planes are out because of 9/11

Genius

[grekster]

9/11 has nothing to do with it.  Planes wouldn't work in this game because there's not enough open space to fly them in.

 

But somehow Vice City, more than twice smaller, had space?

 

Yeah.

 

Yeah.

Vice City had that crappy plane that could only land on water (VCS had a "normal" biplane, btw.)

 

9/11 had come and gone, TIME TO MOVE ON! Ohh, why don't they stop making Flight Simulators?! It could offend somebody!

 

R* had officially stated that 9/11 had nothing to do with planes missing. They said the reason was because there was only 1 city and 1 airport

I personally don't care if there are planes in the game or not. But this guy ^ must be cold blooded or just not remember that over 3000 people died that day. The heart breaking phone recordings of people saying their last goodbyes to their loved ones, or the hundreds of people jumping to their deaths, so they wouldn't be burned alive. I could go on and on, but that wouldn't change the fact that that guy is an a**hole. Tell Hitler I said " F**K OFF " when you see him.

What about all the innocent people who are shot in america each year (11,000 roughly). what about all the people killed by drunk drivers? There were people on thius forum talking about putting bombs on subway trains in GTA4.. well what about all those affected by the July 7th bombings in London?

 

Yes 3000 people died on that day and it was a terrible tragidy, but R* shouldnt be using that to make descisions about GTA4, it just doesnt make sense.

[DDR Midian]

WWII games you play a soldier, soldiers sign up knowing they may not make it home. I surprised you don't say: Hey why don't they make a game where you crucify Jesus, after all that happen over 2000 years ago.

I don't see why not. We kill Germans enough, it's all just matter of opinion after all. It may be the vaaaast majorities opinion, but it's still an opinion.

[tooji]

Does someone know if there is any Ground Zero in GTA IV?

I'm pretty sure there is but i could be wrong, I think i read it on a preview or listned to it on a podcast

[ps3_,man]

History of planes.

 

Flight has astonished humans ever since we noticed the flight of birds. And considering how long we have existed, flight is relatively new to us. When Wilbur and Orville Wright mastered the secret of flight in 1903, they did not try to imitate the flight of birds but they built a machine for flying. That is exactly what an airplane is, a flying machine. Many attempts to fly were made before the famed Wright Brothers, but all were unsuccessful. The coming of the airplane brought worldwide amazement. Even though the Wright Brother's first flight only lasted a few seconds, it gave people hope that one day major flight could be achieved. In fact, the Wright Brother's first flight was shorter in distance than a modern 747 Jumbo Jet is long. The first flight only reached an altitude of about 50 feet. From that point on, everyone pursued the technology of flight. Many people began to try and make "flying machines" of their own, with some successful and some not. The military was one of the first organizations to ask the secret of flight from the Wright Brothers, realising the Airplane could be a usefull recon or survaillance tool. Later they realised the terrible destructive power the airplane had--the ability to drop bombs.

 

By the beginning of World War I in 1912 all the major countries had flight, including the Air Forces of the U.S., Great Britain, Germany, France, and Russia. During this time, airplanes had a dual or tri-wing design on most occasions, called Biplanes and Triplanes. (Refer to the HOW PLANES FLY section to learn more about Biplanes and Triplanes). Ever since the WWI era large planes have been used for civilian transport. Since WWI, planes have changed dramatically, though.

 

From the time of WWI to the beginning of WWII, airplanes were switched from a biplane or triplane design to a monoplane design, or a plane with one wing. That design has stayed with virtually all airplanes ever since.

 

Between WWII and the Vietnam War, planes started to get much more sophisticated. During that period jet engines were developed. Before WWII in the 1940's, all planes were driven by piston engined propellers. The jet engine changed flight forever. Planes became faster, they flew higher, but they also became more expensive and complicated. The first plane reached the speed of sound (Mach 1) in 1947. That plane was the X-1, developed by the Bell company and flown by Chuck Yeager. Today the fastest converntional airplanes can reach Mach 3.5, or three and a half times the speed of sound. Some experimental airplanes can travel hypersonically, or above Mach 5. Airplanes today are very fast and very safe. Despite many of the airplane crashes reported in the news, traveling by plane is the safest way to travel. Only one in several million planes crash.

 

By the Gulf War in 1990 military aircraft were far more sophisticated than ever thought possible. Although the aircraft used in the Gulf War were very sophisticated, with their high-tech navigational and radar systems, they were also very deadly to the people that they used their weapons against.

 

As time passes airplanes will continue to grow more sophisticated and technologically advanced, though the military planes may also grow more deadly with stronger weapons. Soon we may see more planes that will fly in the hypersonic regime. By the year 2050 experts say that the only aircraft that will be piloted by humans will be civilian airliners. All military planes and transport planes will be remote-controlled by computers on the ground

some one give me the jist so l dont have to reaad it

[DDR Midian]

Does someone know if there is any Ground Zero in GTA IV?

I'm pretty sure there is but i could be wrong, I think i read it on a preview or listned to it on a podcast

I don't think it's there, cause Liberty City ain't New York.

[Ladicius]

all it is, is planes. We still have helicopters. You really couldn't do much with planes anyway. Plus, landing them in one piece was like trying to bust a n*t in a two cent hooker.

[Brad]

Departing: Liberty City

 

Arriving: Liberty City

 

 

As apposed to San Andreas, where there were 4 different airports/fields.

[DJLance2006]

It makes no sence... Who said that it will be no planes in this game?

LLLMMMMFFAAAOOO

 

Rockstar said it.

[Tim Dog]

7 years later since 9/11 they don't want include planes in GTA4 because the attack happened in New York, but it might as well happened in LA.

Because the U.S Bank Tower in LA was also a terrorist target. After 3 years of mourning the 9/11 attacks GTA: San Andreas came out and they still included planes! So why no planes in GTA4 after so long, only because it happened in New York? Come on.

 

U.S Bank Tower

[Leprechaun47]

screw it....as long as they have the flying car cheat, that will make up for it, don't ye think??

[samor]

There are planes, you will see them take off for Vice City or wherever, and you will see them land. There may even be small planes like a dodo. But, there is no point in being able to fly the bigger planes/jets, as there is only one airport in the game...so its nothing to do with 9/11 end of.

[Tim Dog]

Departing: Liberty City

 

Arriving: Liberty City

 

 

As apposed to San Andreas, where there were 4 different airports/fields.

There are 3 mayor airports in New York; JFK, LaGuardia and Newark and GTA4 has only 1? Damn that's a long travel when you want to go from New Jersey to Queens. I noticed that from Driver: Parallel Lines. At least they got special garages where you can switch from borough to borough with out traveling.

[ApolloSoldier]

There's only one place you could possible get them or land them so having them being flyable in the game would be pointless.

[9/11 Dumbasses]

Planes are not in for the simple reason it is totally unrealistic and there is not enough room. The map may be similar in size to that of SA but it is much more detailed and dense therefore there is no open space to fly huge planes, In SA there was allot of countryside & dessert to fly around not in IV. thats why, since when did Rockstar give a sh*t about being PC.

Since 9/11.

 

Prior to the 2001 release of the final game, several modifications were made on Grand Theft Auto III. The changes were apparent as several promotional materials had previously displayed features that would be absent in the final version of the game. While cuts and changes are frequent during game development, the changes in GTA III were of note as they were made around the time when the September 11, 2001 attacks occurred; this led some gamers to speculate that at least some of the changes were motivated by the attacks. Although little was disclosed about the types of changes to be made and when they were conducted, Sam Houser, the president of Rockstar Games (based in Manhattan, New York City), was quoted September 19, 2001 in mentioning a review would to be undergone for GTA III, in addition to confirming the delay of the game's release by three weeks[13][14][15] (the original, rough release date was suggested by Houser to be on October 2, 2001):[16]

“ ...our biggest games, including Grand Theft Auto [iII], have been delayed slightly.This decision is based on two factors, firstly it has been a little difficult to get work done in downtown Manhattan in the last week since basic communications infrastructure has been intermittent at best, and secondly we felt that a full content review of all our titles was absolutely necessary for us in light of the horrifying event we all witnessed in NYC last week.As for Grand Theft Auto [iII], since the game is so huge the review is no short process. So far we have come across certain small contextual references that we were no longer comfortable with, as well as a couple of very rare game play instances that no longer felt appropriate to us. We [apologize] to you and all the people waiting for this game to ship for the delays that have now ensued, but I'm sure you can understand our reasoning. ”

A comparison of the same present pre-release screenshot (as of April 2006) from GameSpot (top), among several gaming websites, and the official GTA III website (bottom). GameSpot's version depicts police cars resembling those of the NYPD pre-2000, while the official, edited version resembles those of the LAPD.

A comparison of the same present pre-release screenshot (as of April 2006) from GameSpot (top), among several gaming websites, and the official GTA III website (bottom). GameSpot's version depicts police cars resembling those of the NYPD pre-2000, while the official, edited version resembles those of the LAPD.

 

The only change on the game that has been suggested to have been made shortly after 9/11 was of the police cars' paint scheme; the new colour scheme of the LCPD is modelled in a panda-like black-and-white design similar to the LAPD, while the old color scheme of blue with white stripes (seen in previews and the manual map) resembles that of the NYPD. Pre-release screenshots in the game's official website depicting police cars had also undergone modifications, around a week after September 11.[17] The NYPD-like paint scheme would eventually be reintroduced in Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories, but uses black instead of NYPD's blue colour.

 

Another cut is that of Darkel [4][5], an in-game character, for the final version of the game. Mentioned in several early video game publications and websites, Darkel was to be a revolutionary urchin who vowed to bring down the city's economy. One mission involved stealing an ice cream van, using it to attract pedestrians, then blowing it up[18] (this mission would eventually be given by El Burro instead in the final version of game to kill a group of gang members). Darkel was also originally expected to give out Rampage-like missions,[19] and even had his voice recorded for this part.[20] Rockstar later decided that they would like to go back to the original system of giving out rampages as featured in Grand Theft Auto and Grand Theft Auto 2. Although Darkel and his missions were removed indefinitely, the character remains listed in the manual's credits, as well as having a character texture retained in the game's data files.[21] Another reminisce of Darkel's existence is an abandoned tunnel in the city, associated with the character in the official website, and includes four homeless people in a group wielding Molotov cocktails. Both the tunnel and the four homeless people are retained in the final version of the game.

 

The Dodo airplane, the only flyable aircraft in the game, was also a point of discussion; the wings of the vehicle were significantly short, while an uncontrollable full-winged version has been seen flying around the city. However, the plane has, for months before 9/11, had a short wingspan, as evidenced from a preview in Game Informer (Issue #95), which indicated that the plane was to be used in a (now abandoned) mission to loft the plane high enough in its brief flight and reach new areas of the city.[22] The Dodo is considerably difficult to control, usually resulting in short flights (although it is possible to fly the plane continuously around Liberty City when properly trained). Mods exist to give the Dodo a wider wing, though the outer sections are not solid. Otherwise, the aircraft would not be able to fit into the import/export garage at the docks in Portland Island.

 

Other changes included stopping the selection of certain character models when using cheat codes in, removing the aforementioned ability to blow limbs off non-player characters in only the PlayStation 2 version of GTA III,[3] elderly pedestrians with walkers, school children as pedestrians (from GameSpot UK's preview[citation needed] and the Gouranga fansite[citation needed]) and a school bus (seen in eight screenshots[23]).

 

# 13 Take-Two to revise and delay two PS2 games. GameSpot. Retrieved on May 13, 2006.

 

# 14 Release Delay Confirmed. GOURANGA!. Retrieved on May 6, 2006.

 

(http://www.gouranga.com/september01.htm#h426)

 

# 15 Playing the Sensitivity Game. Wired News. Retrieved on May 6, 2006.

 

(http://www.wired.com/techbiz/media/news/2001/09/46971)

 

# 16 R* Clarifies Release Date Reports. GOURANGA!. Retrieved on May 6, 2006.

 

(http://www.gouranga.com/september01.htm#h419) Second story on this page.

 

# 17 GrandTheftAuto3.com & L-Tree Updated!. GOURANGA!. Retrieved on May 6, 2006.

 

(http://www.gouranga.com/september01.htm#h427)

 

# 18 Grand Theft Auto: How Smart is the AI?. IGN. Retrieved on May 6, 2006.

 

(http://ps2.ign.com/articles/091/091649p1.html)

 

# 19 Grand Theft Auto 3 Information (based on early pre-release game publications). GOURANGA!. Retrieved on May 6, 2006.

# 20 Bill Fiore at The Internet Movie Database. URL accessed on May 13, 2006.

# 21 Frequently Asked Questions for GTA III. GTAForums.com. Retrieved on July 16, 2006.

# 22 New GTA3 Details In Game Informer. GOURANGA!. Retrieved on October 25, 2006.

# 23 Features, Vehicles & Weapons. GOURANGA!. Retrieved on April 4, 2007.

[bonesmccoy]

It's now more than just 9/11 (although I will mention that it's pretty ridiculous that some folks on this board have difficulty seeing the difference between a singular tragedy, ie a hit and run, and a tragedy that starts a global war). Flying planes in GTA just isn't as useful as flying a helicopter or driving a car.