the_jester Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 Hey there, I'm new here (and a huge GTA fan). I have not been keeping up with all the previews, interviews, articles on GTA4, and I was wondering if there has been any mention from Rockstar on whether the PS3 version will support 1080i upscaling. For those who don't know, the PS3 requires the developer to implement 1080i/p upscaling. My HDTV does not support 720p natively (it downscales the image to 480p). I'm really worried if GTA4 will only be 720p and thus I will be forced to play in 480p. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodington Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 1080 p is garbage....skips every other line....1080 i is where its at.....its every line instead of every other...now i have a 720 p and a 1080 p lcd hdtv and if you want th best quality for dollar and price per inch....720p is cheeper by about a grand ....depending on the size.....would you realy pay another 1000 bucks for minimal difference...(sorry if i went off topic a bit) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDooner64 Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 Why did you buy a PS3 if your TV doesn't even support it. Throw it out and get an xbox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellknightdemon Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 1080 (i) is garbage....skips every other line....1080 (p) is where its at.....its every line instead of every other...now i have a 720 p and a 1080 p lcd hdtv and if you want th best quality for dollar and price per inch....720p is cheeper by about a grand ....depending on the size.....would you realy pay another 1000 bucks for minimal difference...(sorry if i went off topic a bit) fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodington Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 1080 (i) is garbage....skips every other line....1080 (p) is where its at.....its every line instead of every other...now i have a 720 p and a 1080 p lcd hdtv and if you want th best quality for dollar and price per inch....720p is cheeper by about a grand ....depending on the size.....would you realy pay another 1000 bucks for minimal difference...(sorry if i went off topic a bit) fixed thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_jester Posted April 4, 2008 Author Share Posted April 4, 2008 1080 p is garbage....skips every other line....1080 i is where its at.....its every line instead of every other...now i have a 720 p and a 1080 p lcd hdtv and if you want th best quality for dollar and price per inch....720p is cheeper by about a grand ....depending on the size.....would you realy pay another 1000 bucks for minimal difference...(sorry if i went off topic a bit) You have them mixed up. 1080i is interlaced (every other line) and 1080p/720p is progressive (all lines refreshing at the same time). I will definately upgrade eventually, but not anytime soon (and not before GTA4 comes out). Also: 1080i support = 1080p support, so 1080p owners benefit as well. Plus, in my opinion at least, I am very happy with my current HDTV and it's image quality. Its just awful that the PS3 cannot upscale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_jester Posted April 4, 2008 Author Share Posted April 4, 2008 Why did you buy a PS3 if your TV doesn't even support it. Throw it out and get an xbox. To be honest...I didn't even know until months after I made my purchase. I used to play Xbox 1 games in 720p and in the specs sheet of my TV manual it said 720p was supported. However, I definately noticed a huge downgrade in quality when I would play my 720p-only games. After hearing others about it and checking again with the manual, it turns out my TV actually downscales a 720p image to 480p. The PS3 is still sending a 720p image, it just gets downscaled my TV. It's a Sony TV, and those are the only models that I have heard that actually downscale 720p. So I really had no idea when I made my purchase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iCoke Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 Many people complain about the different res modes with PS3, they have a FAQ set up at http://esupport.sony.com/ Its not very next gen when it scales down to PS2 res eh? Sony just got a late start in the HD game maybe it will be fixed one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyman23555 Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 1080 p is garbage....skips every other line....1080 i is where its at.....its every line instead of every other...now i have a 720 p and a 1080 p lcd hdtv and if you want th best quality for dollar and price per inch....720p is cheeper by about a grand ....depending on the size.....would you realy pay another 1000 bucks for minimal difference...(sorry if i went off topic a bit) you mixed that up 1080p is the good one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elpartizan88 Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 Why did you buy a PS3 if your TV doesn't even support it. Throw it out and get an xbox. lulz thatll be the day I'll stick with nextgen and use my PS3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slamman Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 720 progressive is still good, 1080i is Interlaced video, so progressive for the WIN! Actually, 1080 upscale should be possible via the PS3 anyway, right?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_jester Posted April 4, 2008 Author Share Posted April 4, 2008 So...I'm guessing I'm only one with this issue? Everyone here has an Xbox 360 instead? I'm actually thinking that, if the PS3 version does not support 1080, I may have to hold out a few months on picking up GTA4, until either I get enough money for a new TV or an Xbox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slamman Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 I don't own a digital HDTV, but I have the sources for when I get one. I also own no xBoxes what so ever. Maybe in another life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iCoke Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 I'm actually thinking that, if the PS3 version does not support 1080, I may have to hold out a few months on picking up GTA4, until either I get enough money for a new TV or an Xbox. Smart man, just use your PS3 for movies, Sony is great when it comes to movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elpartizan88 Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 So...I'm guessing I'm only one with this issue? Everyone here has an Xbox 360 instead? I'm actually thinking that, if the PS3 version does not support 1080, I may have to hold out a few months on picking up GTA4, until either I get enough money for a new TV or an Xbox. go ahead and piss your money away on an xbox.. i doubt anyone will care Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_jester Posted April 4, 2008 Author Share Posted April 4, 2008 720 progressive is still good, 1080i is Interlaced video, so progressive for the WIN! Actually, 1080 upscale should be possible via the PS3 anyway, right?? It is possible to support upscaling. COD4 does it. However, it requires extra performance to do so, and considering this is GTA, which is probably pushing the system to the limit, it may not get in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elpartizan88 Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 720 progressive is still good, 1080i is Interlaced video, so progressive for the WIN! Actually, 1080 upscale should be possible via the PS3 anyway, right?? It is possible to support upscaling. COD4 does it. However, it requires extra performance to do so, and considering this is GTA, which is probably pushing the system to the limit, it may not get in there. how do u upscale anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_jester Posted April 4, 2008 Author Share Posted April 4, 2008 720 progressive is still good, 1080i is Interlaced video, so progressive for the WIN! Actually, 1080 upscale should be possible via the PS3 anyway, right?? It is possible to support upscaling. COD4 does it. However, it requires extra performance to do so, and considering this is GTA, which is probably pushing the system to the limit, it may not get in there. how do u upscale anyway? For some games, like COD4, you uncheck all but the resolutions you want to scale to in the Display Settings in XMB. So, if you want to play in 1080p, you would uncheck 720p and 1080i and force the game to 1080p. But the game has to support it. Hopefully GTA4 will! I really don't want to buy a Xbox to play in HD. Or maybe I will just force myself to play in 480p. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elpartizan88 Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 720 progressive is still good, 1080i is Interlaced video, so progressive for the WIN! Actually, 1080 upscale should be possible via the PS3 anyway, right?? It is possible to support upscaling. COD4 does it. However, it requires extra performance to do so, and considering this is GTA, which is probably pushing the system to the limit, it may not get in there. how do u upscale anyway? For some games, like COD4, you uncheck all but the resolutions you want to scale to in the Display Settings in XMB. So, if you want to play in 1080p, you would uncheck 720p and 1080i and force the game to 1080p. But the game has to support it. Hopefully GTA4 will! I really don't want to buy a Xbox to play in HD. Or maybe I will just force myself to play in 480p. o schweet thanks for that tidbit of info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iCoke Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 Check this out if you need help with the PS3 and HD http://www.rockstargames.com/IV/support/sony/itemadd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slamman Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 (edited) esupport is typically hard to find specifics, so try this YT related vid! Great music selection I have to admit!!! Another variation below. Vid is mid 2007, so this product is around: - Edited April 4, 2008 by Slamman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxtremeguyxx2001 Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 I was actually worried about this as well. I have an older High defenition tv that only plays in 1080i which means games that are in 720p are downscaled to 480p and look horrible. I was hoping that GTA4 would have support for both 720p and 1080i. At the moment the PS3 does not upscale PS3 games, Sony's excuse is that it's up to the developers which means most of the time it screws the customers who have older tv's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_jester Posted April 4, 2008 Author Share Posted April 4, 2008 (edited) Though I'm glad to know I'm not the only one here with the same problem, it is unfortunate for anyone to have to deal with this. Also, Slamman, whats in the videos you are posting are actually referring to a different issue (HDCP for full 1080p). It's not really an issue if you are playing on HDTV with HDMI. Edited April 4, 2008 by the_jester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iCoke Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 I love how ya just cant have HD outta the box, sony why make it a pain in the ass? this is a quicker fix www.sony.com/faq/whydoesmyps3suckassyourippedmeoffbastards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slamman Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 (edited) Obviously if your using a PC digital display like I can, it's worthy of interest. The PS3 is the source so I imagine the 1080 signal is available from it. I just use the composite out now for my analog set, but my LCD PC display is DVI-D (Digital) so I could or should be able to use it. So far a HDMI to DVI cable gave me a blank screen, not sure why yet. @iCoke, resist the urge to flame-boy. I know you can do it. The PS3 would not offer BluRay and be intent on an HD media center with no support so I had assumed it was built in as they say. Back in 2000, people spend multiple THOUSANDS of dollars for line scalers and top notch video processing. Thanks to early adopters, we have all that tech for pennies on the dollar. It makes little sense to expect so much for so little, I feel. Edited April 4, 2008 by Slamman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_jester Posted April 4, 2008 Author Share Posted April 4, 2008 Obviously if your using a PC digital display like I can, it's worthy of interest. The PS3 is the source so I imagine the 1080 signal is available from it. I just use the composite out now for my analog set, but my LCD PC display is DVI-D (Digital) so I could or should be able to use it. So far a HDMI to DVI cable gave me a blank screen, not sure why yet. I'm not 100% sure, but I am guessing the reason you are a getting a blank screen from your LCD montior when you hook up your PS3 with a DVI-HDMI cable is becasue your LCD monitor is not HDCP compliant. For the PS3, in order to use HDMI (or a HDMI-DVI adapter) the port HAS to support HDCP. Most newer models of LCD's have DVI ports that support HDCP and some now have HDMI ports built directly. I had the same problem with my LCD since it is not HDCP compliant. Check your LCD manual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iCoke Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 I love the PS3 I hope it works out for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slamman Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 (edited) I bought mine used, a Samsung 730B 17 inch, several years old. The product I highlighted should be all I need to correct the connect! Any digital signal DVI monitor or VGA as shown in the first one would adapt. The major plus for me is I can take that 17 inch on trips and play my PS3 as a standalone anywhere there's an outlet! Found this whilst digging the Search Engine/s VERY old but at least it sheds some light on the problem: http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/05/08/ps3-games-not-1080p/ - Edited April 4, 2008 by Slamman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth Geek Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 So...I'm guessing I'm only one with this issue? Everyone here has an Xbox 360 instead? I'm actually thinking that, if the PS3 version does not support 1080, I may have to hold out a few months on picking up GTA4, until either I get enough money for a new TV or an Xbox. I have the same problem...that's why I'm here to find out. I can always play it on my 3rd 360 to see it scaled to 1080i, but I'd rather not have to play this game for extended amounts of time on it and risk it dying once again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psych Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 Yea Monitors MUST have HDCP in order to work with PS3 otherwise you get blank screens, which is a bit of a pain in the ass if you're on a tight budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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