sk8_2_die Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 (edited) Hey brothas, i know this topic has come up many times but i wasn't sure if my question would get noticed on the 3rd 4th page of those topics but if i'm breaking any rules Mods feel free to lock i wont take it personally Anyways back on topic, so i've been saving up for a while now for a new TV and i'm considering buying the SONY Bravia X (LCD) series-KDL40X3100 101 cm (40"). I'm not concerned on the price but more on whether this TV would be ideal for IV?? supports 1080i not p ..but most likely GTA IV is gonna run on 720i but dont quote me on that...but cross fingers it supports 1080i http://www.binglee.com.au/Product.aspx?id=2294 I'm getting it for $3,400 AUD with this awesome stand/cabinet, but yeah and my rooms fairly small (its a fricken gap) so the size would be pretty sweet. So yeah what do you guys think? i know i missed out on the free PS3 deal they were having few months back and i've looked around for some good reviews and theres a few and they all seem positive but none really focus on gaming. BTW My xbox is off the older line so theres no HDMI port on it which means i can't take advantage of the HDMI port on the LCD TV but i've got the standard component cables....will i still get an awesome picture out of it??? I'm pretty sure the TV is the same one used in the Zoo pics http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/1697/zoo2yv4.jpg so thats kinda comforting but i trust the honest brutal words of you guys over some salesman!! Cheers in advance~ Edit- BTW i saw this review on youtube about this particualr model: Really sounds like a ferret seeing a LCD TV for the first time with HDMI inputs :S he really sounded like he was talkn crap so i cant really take his word for it...seemed TOO excited about the damn TV as if he was guranteed a BJ from the 'advertised' artwork hooker off GTA IV (forgot her name) if he did the review... Edited April 3, 2008 by sk8_2_die Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-lasto Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Get a Sharp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk8_2_die Posted April 3, 2008 Author Share Posted April 3, 2008 Get a Sharp. funny that you say that because i initially was shopping around for a Sharp but i heard alot about the Bravia series and popularity in gaming so i thought i'd give Sony a chance....plus nothing feels better than to play an Xbox 360 using a Sony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amunication Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Yeah a 100 cm tv is the bare minimum you should get, i've got a 100 cm samsung lcd hdtv, but it cost me $3000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk8_2_die Posted April 3, 2008 Author Share Posted April 3, 2008 Yeah a 100 cm tv is the bare minimum you should get, i've got a 100 cm samsung lcd hdtv, but it cost me $3000 yeah i saw that too, damn they're expensive! But the samsungs look so pro and sleek...mate your startin to sway me here guess i gotta consider samsung too.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werenotfugazi Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Dude, I'd highly recommend you reconsider image quality over sheer size for gaming. I run my 360 via component cable to my Gateway 24" widescreen, and it looks absolutley amazing! The resolution is 1920 x 1200, which is the same as your Bravia, packed into a space 1/4 the size...the clarity, and detail is just outstanding! I actually have a recliner I use to sit in front of mine, and when you're that close, it can appear, from your perspective, to be even bigger than a 40" from accross the room. Go to best buy, and put a DVD into the PC that's running their monitor displays. You'll see what I'm talking about. You can a larger 30" monitor too, that has an insane resolution of 2500 x something I think. Here's my setup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fnorg Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Yeah a 100 cm tv is the bare minimum you should get, i've got a 100 cm samsung lcd hdtv, but it cost me $3000 I have a Samsung of about the same kind of yours, same size, 40". Cost me $2000 (USD) and included a plane-trip to anywhere I wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwolf206 Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Look around and ask stores if the have one in the backroom with "Cosmetic defects" or damage and they might give it to you massively cheap. That's how I got mine, I got a 32" LCD for $300 and it is damn sexy. But, most of the time, the guys who work there will take it home, so you might not get lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodington Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 ive got a 42 LCD LG 1080p...perfect 4 gaming...thats what i bought it for ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werenotfugazi Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Yeah a 100 cm tv is the bare minimum you should get, i've got a 100 cm samsung lcd hdtv, but it cost me $3000 I have a Samsung of about the same kind of yours, same size, 40". Cost me $2000 (USD) and included a plane-trip to anywhere I wanted. What a strange thing to toss in with a TV! It like, "Hey, buy our TV, and we'll give you some free sh*t to get you out of your house!" WTF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk8_2_die Posted April 3, 2008 Author Share Posted April 3, 2008 Dude, I'd highly recommend you reconsider image quality over sheer size for gaming. I run my 360 via component cable to my Gateway 24" widescreen, and it looks absolutley amazing! The resolution is 1920 x 1200, which is the same as your Bravia, packed into a space 1/4 the size...the clarity, and detail is just outstanding! I actually have a recliner I use to sit in front of mine, and when you're that close, it can appear, from your perspective, to be even bigger than a 40" from accross the room. Go to best buy, and put a DVD into the PC that's running their monitor displays. You'll see what I'm talking about. You can a larger 30" monitor too, that has an insane resolution of 2500 x something I think. Here's my setup: holy sh*te mate thats a sweet set up!!! To be honest i would consider it brotha but my room is set up in a way where my bed faces the corner of my room where the existing TV sits facing the head of my bed. So what i'm trying to say is that i couldn't really put a moniter of that size there as i would have to sit on my bed rather than a recliner chair and it would feel a wee bit odd if you catch my drift! And my Computer table is just loaded with all my transformer figures and my rat cage so yeah right now i'm using my laptop on my bed to surf the net. But cheers for your advise brotha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenderUsa Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Dude, I'd highly recommend you reconsider image quality over sheer size for gaming. I run my 360 via component cable to my Gateway 24" widescreen, and it looks absolutley amazing! The resolution is 1920 x 1200, which is the same as your Bravia, packed into a space 1/4 the size...the clarity, and detail is just outstanding! I actually have a recliner I use to sit in front of mine, and when you're that close, it can appear, from your perspective, to be even bigger than a 40" from accross the room. Go to best buy, and put a DVD into the PC that's running their monitor displays. You'll see what I'm talking about. You can a larger 30" monitor too, that has an insane resolution of 2500 x something I think. Here's my setup: wow........do you have a social life? just kidding lol but holy sh*t thats alot of gear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILovePolarBears Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 FYI - A post like this belongs in the Tech & PC Chat subforum. That said, the Sony Bravia line of televisions are excellent. If you don't mind the cost, go for it. You will be satisfied. Dude, I'd highly recommend you reconsider image quality over sheer size for gaming. I run my 360 via component cable to my Gateway 24" widescreen, and it looks absolutley amazing! The resolution is 1920 x 1200, which is the same as your Bravia, packed into a space 1/4 the size...the clarity, and detail is just outstanding! I actually have a recliner I use to sit in front of mine, and when you're that close, it can appear, from your perspective, to be even bigger than a 40" from accross the room. Go to best buy, and put a DVD into the PC that's running their monitor displays. You'll see what I'm talking about. You can a larger 30" monitor too, that has an insane resolution of 2500 x something I think. Here's my setup: FYI - It doesn't matter what resolution your monitor supports if the media/input source is limited. DVDs don't run at 1920x1200, but 720x480, so those extra lines do nothing for visual quality. A DVD will look as good on a 24" SD TV as it does on your monitor, providing it's a good quality TV. Furthermore, LCDs are designed with native resolutions, meaning running at any other resolution results in a lower quality picture. Since the Xbox 360 doesn't output in 1920x1200, you're not getting the best picture possible, even if you're satisfied with, or even blown away by, it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perspextive Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 @ werenotfugazi: Did you have to get an adapter to use your component cables for your monitor? My new setup is going to be very similar to yours, just trying to plan it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk8_2_die Posted April 3, 2008 Author Share Posted April 3, 2008 FYI - A post like this belongs in the Tech & PC Chat subforum. That said, the Sony Bravia line of televisions are excellent. If you don't mind the cost, go for it. You will be satisfied. Dude, I'd highly recommend you reconsider image quality over sheer size for gaming. I run my 360 via component cable to my Gateway 24" widescreen, and it looks absolutley amazing! The resolution is 1920 x 1200, which is the same as your Bravia, packed into a space 1/4 the size...the clarity, and detail is just outstanding! I actually have a recliner I use to sit in front of mine, and when you're that close, it can appear, from your perspective, to be even bigger than a 40" from accross the room. Go to best buy, and put a DVD into the PC that's running their monitor displays. You'll see what I'm talking about. You can a larger 30" monitor too, that has an insane resolution of 2500 x something I think. Here's my setup: FYI - It doesn't matter what resolution your monitor supports if the media/input source is limited. DVDs don't run at 1920x1200, but 720x480, so those extra lines do nothing for visual quality. A DVD will look as good on a 24" SD TV as it does on your monitor, providing it's a good quality TV. Furthermore, LCDs are designed with native resolutions, meaning running at any other resolution results in a lower quality picture. Since the Xbox 360 doesn't output in 1920x1200, you're not getting the best picture possible, even if you're satisfied with, or even blown away by, it. cheers mate i didnt know we had a Tech and Specs section but thats due to my own laziness. just wanted to clarify with your last statement, you were saying how the 360 cant ouput 1920x1200 so i wouldnt be getting the best picture possible, is that for the moniter or for the Bravia LCD TV?? Because i'm willing to take any recommendations for TVs of that size and quality if their are a ny cheaper ones that do the same job. I just don't want to over pay for something due to its Brand name...just trying to get the biggest bang outa me buck ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werenotfugazi Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 @ werenotfugazi: Did you have to get an adapter to use your component cables for your monitor? My new setup is going to be very similar to yours, just trying to plan it out. No, you won't need any adapters, just the XBox 360, or PS3 component cable that go directly from your console you your monitor. My monitor doesn't have HDMI, but component is just as good imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werenotfugazi Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 (edited) FYI - A post like this belongs in the Tech & PC Chat subforum. That said, the Sony Bravia line of televisions are excellent. If you don't mind the cost, go for it. You will be satisfied. Dude, I'd highly recommend you reconsider image quality over sheer size for gaming. I run my 360 via component cable to my Gateway 24" widescreen, and it looks absolutley amazing! The resolution is 1920 x 1200, which is the same as your Bravia, packed into a space 1/4 the size...the clarity, and detail is just outstanding! I actually have a recliner I use to sit in front of mine, and when you're that close, it can appear, from your perspective, to be even bigger than a 40" from accross the room. Go to best buy, and put a DVD into the PC that's running their monitor displays. You'll see what I'm talking about. You can a larger 30" monitor too, that has an insane resolution of 2500 x something I think. Here's my setup: FYI - It doesn't matter what resolution your monitor supports if the media/input source is limited. DVDs don't run at 1920x1200, but 720x480, so those extra lines do nothing for visual quality. A DVD will look as good on a 24" SD TV as it does on your monitor, providing it's a good quality TV. Furthermore, LCDs are designed with native resolutions, meaning running at any other resolution results in a lower quality picture. Since the Xbox 360 doesn't output in 1920x1200, you're not getting the best picture possible, even if you're satisfied with, or even blown away by, it. I understand what your saying about the console's resolution not being as high as the montitor, and that's true, but just the same, I don't think you understand what I'm saying... The console is going to output the same signal resolution regardless of the size of your monitor. That being said, when you first consider that the the resolutions of the 24", and 40" are THE SAME, the bigger you stretch that picture, or in other words, spread the pixels out to fill the space, in this case 40", WITHOUT increasing the number of pixels, you're only increasing the size of the space between the pixels, which breaks up the image. The perfect example is YouTube. When you go full screen, the resolution of the source video hasn't changed, only the PLAYBACK SIZE has, and those two things are NOT the same. In any case where two monitors of a different size are compared, yet they have the same resolution, your eye will perceive the clarity, and detail better in the smaller one. Edited April 3, 2008 by werenotfugazi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILovePolarBears Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 just wanted to clarify with your last statement, you were saying how the 360 cant ouput 1920x1200 so i wouldnt be getting the best picture possible, is that for the moniter or for the Bravia LCD TV?? Because i'm willing to take any recommendations for TVs of that size and quality if their are a ny cheaper ones that do the same job. I just don't want to over pay for something due to its Brand name...just trying to get the biggest bang outa me buck ! Well, in theory, with all LCDs, its best when your media/input is the same as the native resolution of your screen. So, if GTA4 is in 720p (And I don't know whether it's 1080p or 720p, for the record), you'll get the best picture on a 720p screen. On a 1080p screen, the content has to be up-scaled to be displayed, which results in a nominal loss of quality. The only time I notice issues when not running content at my screen's native resolution is when I'm on a computer monitor, likely due to the fact that you sit so close to them. I have a 52" Bravia in my living room, which I used to use for gaming before my fiancee decided the gaming hardware was cluttering the place and made me move it to my computer room. In here, I have a 46" Toshiba. Both screens are 1080p, and while I don't have a 720p screen for comparison, I am very satisfied with both screens when running 720p content (although 1080p is definitely superior!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werenotfugazi Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 (edited) Furthermore, LCDs are designed with native resolutions, meaning running at any other resolution results in a lower quality picture. Since the Xbox 360 doesn't output in 1920x1200, you're not getting the best picture possible, even if you're satisfied with, or even blown away by, it. You do understand, though, that your logic would also apply to the TV? For the best picture, a good balance of the highest resolution in the smaller (24" - 30") space yields the best results. Edited April 3, 2008 by werenotfugazi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILovePolarBears Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 (edited) I understand what your saying about the console's resolution not being as high as the montitor, and that's true, but just the same, I don't think you understand what I'm saying... The console is going to output the same signal resolution regardless of the size of your monitor. That being said, when you first consider that the the resolutions of the 24", and 40" are THE SAME, the bigger you stretch that picture, or in other words, spread the pixels out to fill the space, in this case 40", WITHOUT increasing the number of pixels, you're only increasing the size of the space between the pixels, which breaks up the image. The perfect example is YouTube. When you go full screen, the resolution of the source video hasn't changed, only the PLAYBACK SIZE has, and those two things are NOT the same. In any case where two monitors of a different size are compared, yet they have the same resolution, your eye will perceive the clarity, and detail better in the smaller one. I get this, but money or room-size issues aside, I can't imagine anyone preferring a small screen over a larger one. I sit close to my computer monitor when I play CoD4 (native resolution 1680x1050). Sometimes I play it on my TV sitting further back (native resolution 1920x1080). The screen sizes(more importantly the vertical lines of resolution), relative to my distance from the screens, are roughly equal, but I find the satisfaction from the larger screen to be exponentially greater. Furthermore, LCDs are designed with native resolutions, meaning running at any other resolution results in a lower quality picture. Since the Xbox 360 doesn't output in 1920x1200, you're not getting the best picture possible, even if you're satisfied with, or even blown away by, it. You do understand, though, that your logic would also apply to the TV? Yes, I do. See the post right above yours, in which I explained just that. Edited April 3, 2008 by ILovePolarBears Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk8_2_die Posted April 3, 2008 Author Share Posted April 3, 2008 just wanted to clarify with your last statement, you were saying how the 360 cant ouput 1920x1200 so i wouldnt be getting the best picture possible, is that for the moniter or for the Bravia LCD TV?? Because i'm willing to take any recommendations for TVs of that size and quality if their are a ny cheaper ones that do the same job. I just don't want to over pay for something due to its Brand name...just trying to get the biggest bang outa me buck ! Well, in theory, with all LCDs, its best when your media/input is the same as the native resolution of your screen. So, if GTA4 is in 720p (And I don't know whether it's 1080p or 720p, for the record), you'll get the best picture on a 720p screen. On a 1080p screen, the content has to be up-scaled to be displayed, which results in a nominal loss of quality. The only time I notice issues when not running content at my screen's native resolution is when I'm on a computer monitor, likely due to the fact that you sit so close to them. I have a 52" Bravia in my living room, which I used to use for gaming before my fiancee decided the gaming hardware was cluttering the place and made me move it to my computer room. In here, I have a 46" Toshiba. Both screens are 1080p, and while I don't have a 720p screen for comparison, I am very satisfied with both screens when running 720p content (although 1080p is definitely superior!). ohhh ok i'm starting to understand now, well i wanted some opinions based on first had experiences so thats handy that you were satisfied with the 52". Guess i might stick with it then, and i should still get a fairly good level of quality and clarity without the HDMI port right? i saw a 360 running using the HDMI port at a mates place and i couldn't really see too much of a difference..seeing as the sheer size of the screen spreads out all the detail (as stated by werenotfugazi) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk8_2_die Posted April 3, 2008 Author Share Posted April 3, 2008 (edited) Furthermore, LCDs are designed with native resolutions, meaning running at any other resolution results in a lower quality picture. Since the Xbox 360 doesn't output in 1920x1200, you're not getting the best picture possible, even if you're satisfied with, or even blown away by, it. You do understand, though, that your logic would also apply to the TV? For the best picture, a good balance of the highest resolution in the smaller (24" - 30") space yields the best results. hmmm i get what your saying there...i guess i'm more picky about the overwhelming size over the clarity because i know i will be giving up a bit of picture clarity by increasing the size but i just don't quite get the "wow" factor that i do when playing on huge screens now i know 40" aint that huge but yeah i just enjoy that feeling of being "hugged" by my TV screen while kicking back rather than sitting close up, but i agree that something has to give if the size is stretched out. Especially for a game as massive as GTA IV i really would want that projected through a huge screen....HUGE City through a Big screen really drags you into the city that you'll be looking left and right at the city's features Edited April 3, 2008 by sk8_2_die Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werenotfugazi Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 (edited) Furthermore, LCDs are designed with native resolutions, meaning running at any other resolution results in a lower quality picture. Since the Xbox 360 doesn't output in 1920x1200, you're not getting the best picture possible, even if you're satisfied with, or even blown away by, it. You do understand, though, that your logic would also apply to the TV? For the best picture, a good balance of the highest resolution in the smaller (24" - 30") space yields the best results. hmmm i get what your saying there...i guess i'm more picky about the overwhelming size over the clarity because i know i will be giving up a bit of picture clarity by increasing the size but i just don't quite get the "wow" factor that i do when playing on huge screens now i know 40" aint that huge but yeah i just enjoy that feeling of being "hugged" by my TV screen while kicking back rather than sitting close up, but i agree that something has to give if the size is stretched out. Especially for a game as massive as GTA IV i really would want that projected through a huge screen....HUGE City through a Big screen really drags you into the city that you'll be looking left and right at the city's features I absolutely understand that! The best thing to do then is decide on what size you want first, and then do some quick research on cnet, or other consumer products review sites, or magazines, and learn about which ones the highest ratings, and performance. Then you can choose a model, and do another search for the lowest price, which is usually online. Don't forget the cables! It's fun shopping for TVs! Edited April 3, 2008 by werenotfugazi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILovePolarBears Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 ohhh ok i'm starting to understand now, well i wanted some opinions based on first had experiences so thats handy that you were satisfied with the 52". Guess i might stick with it then, and i should still get a fairly good level of quality and clarity without the HDMI port right? i saw a 360 running using the HDMI port at a mates place and i couldn't really see too much of a difference..seeing as the sheer size of the screen spreads out all the detail (as stated by werenotfugazi) Component cables (including the default X360 cables, I believe) can carry a 1080p signal as long as the component input on the TV is able to accept the 1080p signal this way. A newer Sony Bravia model should be able to do this, but you might want to research the model you settle on to just make sure. My Toshiba, sadly, cannot, so I had to fork out the cash for the X360's HDMI cable, since you can't just use any old HDMI cable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk8_2_die Posted April 3, 2008 Author Share Posted April 3, 2008 ohhh ok i'm starting to understand now, well i wanted some opinions based on first had experiences so thats handy that you were satisfied with the 52". Guess i might stick with it then, and i should still get a fairly good level of quality and clarity without the HDMI port right? i saw a 360 running using the HDMI port at a mates place and i couldn't really see too much of a difference..seeing as the sheer size of the screen spreads out all the detail (as stated by werenotfugazi) Component cables (including the default X360 cables, I believe) can carry a 1080p signal as long as the component input on the TV is able to accept the 1080p signal this way. A newer Sony Bravia model should be able to do this, but you might want to research the model you settle on to just make sure. My Toshiba, sadly, cannot, so I had to fork out the cash for the X360's HDMI cable, since you can't just use any old HDMI cable Cheers to you both!! Just one last question with the cables, if i dont plan on using HDMI since my xbox 360 doesn't have a HDMI port just the Component cable port...i shouldn't need to buy any additional cables right? Since i can just use the xbox 360 component cables. Its a pity i cant use the HDMI feature but unfortunaly ill need to buy the newest line 360 for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen71 Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 I got me a 42" Samsung for my bedroom for all my ps3 gaming, it's the right size for a bedroom if you want to go on the high end a 32" would work too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amunication Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 Cheers to you both!! Just one last question tounge.gif with the cables, if i dont plan on using HDMI since my xbox 360 doesn't have a HDMI port just the Component cable port...i shouldn't need to buy any additional cables right? Since i can just use the xbox 360 component cables. Its a pity i cant use the HDMI feature but unfortunaly ill need to buy the newest line 360 for that tounge.gif Yes you can use your 360 component cable to get 1080P resolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otter Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 Give this a read. http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=314258&st=0 There's a lot of misinformation out there, and the worst perpetrators are often the nice dudes who are just trying to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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