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I think it's pretty much universally accepted that Oswald wasn't the "lone nut" he was made out to be, regardless of whether he was involved or not. Even if there was a conspiracy, it's probably too long since the event now to get any concrete evidence.
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I thought everyone knew aliens killed JFK? alien.gif

 

I figure it'll be some mafia thing, because I like that kinda stuff and also because his brother was shot a while after and they both tried to stamp down on mafia activity. Jack Ruby was probably sent to kill Oswald, what happened to Jack Ruby, anyone know?

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what happened to Jack Ruby, anyone know?

He was sent to prison and given the death penalty, but appealed and was about to go to trial again when he died in jail.

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what happened to Jack Ruby, anyone know?

He died from cancer while a date for his retrial was being set.

 

Personally, I believe that Oswald was the lone gunman. I don't think their was a second gunman on Dealey Plaza as the conspiracy suggests, but I definitely believe that he wasn't acting alone in the planning of the assassination. It's impossible for us to discover what the true motive was though.

 

This subject has always interested me, but I guess we'll never really know exactly what happened.

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I saw JFK and was truly amazed by many of the things i saw in that movie, even later i discovered many interesting facts, like the rifle Oswald used was a lame rifle to kill someone, and how to this day the best SWAT snipers haven't been able to replicate what Oswald did.

 

If JFK was killed i think it could've been because of the people that was abandoned in Cuba after the Castro throwdown was aborted.

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It's hard to tell. Many showed interest for the death of kennedy. The CIA, the Pentagon, Fidel Castro, the KGB, Vietnam, the maffia, and others that i don't really remember now.

 

They even said that it was actually the driver who pulled the trigger in the midst of the shooting, but that's bullsh*t.

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I saw JFK and was truly amazed by many of the things i saw in that movie, even later i discovered many interesting facts, like the rifle Oswald used was a lame rifle to kill someone, and how to this day the best SWAT snipers haven't been able to replicate what Oswald did.

 

If JFK was killed i think it could've been because of the people that was abandoned in Cuba after the Castro throwdown was aborted.

I agree, I must have seen J.F.K atleast 10 times, It's the reason that I got intrested in the JFK assasination.

 

It was virtually impossible that Oswald was the lone shooter, Oswald was an average shooter and that he would be able to fire 3 shots in a time period ranging from approximately 4.8 to in excess of 7 seconds on a moving target from a distance with a bolt action Carcano rifle is for me hard to believe and as you said specialist snipers tried to recreate it but said it was impossible, and if specialist snipers couldn't pull it off how could Oswald. There got to have been a second shooter on the grassy knoll, 35 earwitnesses thought the shots came from the grassy knoll. And witnesses saw people behind the fence.

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Most people believe there was more going on with the Kennedy assassination(s) than the official story would lead us to believe. While a commonly held belief is not probative of conspiracy, it is interesting that many figures who have galvanised the US have been killed.

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I doubt that there was a lone gunman. It's physically and mechanically impossible for that type of rifle to reload that quickly and fire three shots in what, 6 seconds? And, like someone above mentioned, witnesses heard/saw shots and people hiding in the grassy hill next to the parade.

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Oswald was an average shooter

If i remember correctly, in the JFK movie Oswald had a nickname while he was on the marines, i don't remember what it was exactly but i do remember it meant he was a BAD shooter.

 

I seriously don't find it hard to believe that somebody could've lied about JFK's death, a lot of people just throw out the same excuse of how they get tired of conspiracy theories, at least in those cases, and specially the one on topic, i don't see conspiracy, i see crime.

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Has anyone here thought about the possibility that it could've involved the Monroe family? I mean, wasn't she his mistress? And isn't there a very popular conspiracy which says that the Kennedys killed Marilyn? Pay-back, maybe?

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Oswald was an average shooter

If i remember correctly, in the JFK movie Oswald had a nickname while he was on the marines, i don't remember what it was exactly but i do remember it meant he was a BAD shooter.

 

I seriously don't find it hard to believe that somebody could've lied about JFK's death, a lot of people just throw out the same excuse of how they get tired of conspiracy theories, at least in those cases, and specially the one on topic, i don't see conspiracy, i see crime.

NOT true! Oswald was a Marine sharpshooter who preformed very well, one of the top ones in his class. His record card is out there and it shows a very good shooter.

 

And besides it is possible to make 3 aimed shots in 6 seconds, all you need is a well oiled bolt on that rifle and be proficient, which he was.

 

EDIT: I would NOT use that JFK movie as a basis for discussion. It bent the truth so much it wasn't funny.

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Sorry tobeat off the track, but is this 'JFK' movie that people talk about a movie or a documentary? If it's a movie, then it was probably made to be bent by the truth, and was not to be taken seriously. If it was a documentary, then look at it from the other point of the spectrum.

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Sorry tobeat off the track, but is this 'JFK' movie that people talk about a movie or a documentary? If it's a movie, then it was probably made to be bent by the truth, and was not to be taken seriously. If it was a documentary, then look at it from the other point of the spectrum.

Movie, almost no basis in reality besides the characters and the grand plot.

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almost no basis in reality besides the characters and the grand plot.

Didn't it result in the reopening of the case?

 

Thanks to Oliver Stone's blockbuster new movie on JFK there is now sufficient national movement to reopen all these cases. The White House fears Stone's new movie so much that they have hired more CIA journalists to slander the movie & Stone. Don't fall for it. Every serious investigator now agrees that Oswald did not shoot JFK.
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NOT true! Oswald was a Marine sharpshooter who preformed very well, one of the top ones in his class. His record card is out there and it shows a very good shooter.

 

And besides it is possible to make 3 aimed shots in 6 seconds, all you need is a well oiled bolt on that rifle and be proficient, which he was.

 

EDIT: I would NOT use that JFK movie as a basis for discussion. It bent the truth so much it wasn't funny.

 

You say Oswald was one of the top ones in his class and performed very well?

 

 

While in the Marines, Oswald was trained in the use of the M-1 rifle. Following that training, he was tested in December of 1956, and obtained a score of 212, which was 2 points above the minimum for qualifications as a sharpshooter. In May 1959, on another range, Oswald scored 191, which was 1 point over the minimum for ranking as a marksman.

 

I say you are completley wrong, He barely passed!!

 

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Where did you hear that he was a good shooter?

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And besides it is possible to make 3 aimed shots in 6 seconds, all you need is a well oiled bolt on that rifle and be proficient, which he was.

Jesus man, if what you say it's true, then he is the ONLY person to have achieved that, like i said in a previous post, many SWAT snipers recreated the scene and NO ONE was capable of performing the three shots in six seconds, no one man!

 

What about the "magic bullet" theory?

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NOT true! Oswald was a Marine sharpshooter who preformed very well, one of the top ones in his class. His record card is out there and it shows a very good shooter.

 

And besides it is possible to make 3 aimed shots in 6 seconds, all you need is a well oiled bolt on that rifle and be proficient, which he was.

 

EDIT: I would NOT use that JFK movie as a basis for discussion. It bent the truth so much it wasn't funny.

 

You say Oswald was one of the top ones in his class and performed very well?

 

 

While in the Marines, Oswald was trained in the use of the M-1 rifle. Following that training, he was tested in December of 1956, and obtained a score of 212, which was 2 points above the minimum for qualifications as a sharpshooter. In May 1959, on another range, Oswald scored 191, which was 1 point over the minimum for ranking as a marksman.

 

I say you are completley wrong, He barely passed!!

 

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Where did you hear that he was a good shooter?

Hmm.. our sources are different, oh well.

 

Doesn't make Oswald a terrible shot though. He was a capable shooter, those are still good scores ya know. Marksmen is still above average.

 

Anyway facts about the Italian Carcano: 1. It is still recognized as the fastest military bolt action rifle in the world; 2. It is very utilitarian; 3. It is reasonably accurate; It is even MORE accurate with a 4-power scope.

 

Can three shots be fired accurately with one of these in under seven seconds? It is NOT impossible, particularly for a trained sniper.

 

If self trained hunters can hit multiple flying ducks repeatedly with a shotgun, why is it so hard to believe a Marine trained (ex) soldier can hit a moving target with a scoped military rifle? You could learn to do it yourself with only a couple hours of expert live fire instruction and practice. Start in the morning and be able to make the shot by early afternoon!

 

It is about 2.27 seconds per shot depending on who you believe. That is not that hard to do, I'm a gun owner and can do that with some practice as long as the gun is oiled up. Work a bolt on a gun, its not hard with practice.

 

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NOT true! Oswald was a Marine sharpshooter who preformed very well, one of the top ones in his class. His record card is out there and it shows a very good shooter.

 

And besides it is possible to make 3 aimed shots in 6 seconds, all you need is a well oiled bolt on that rifle and be proficient, which he was.

 

EDIT: I would NOT use that JFK movie as a basis for discussion. It bent the truth so much it wasn't funny.

 

You say Oswald was one of the top ones in his class and performed very well?

 

 

While in the Marines, Oswald was trained in the use of the M-1 rifle. Following that training, he was tested in December of 1956, and obtained a score of 212, which was 2 points above the minimum for qualifications as a sharpshooter. In May 1959, on another range, Oswald scored 191, which was 1 point over the minimum for ranking as a marksman.

 

I say you are completley wrong, He barely passed!!

 

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Where did you hear that he was a good shooter?

Hmm.. our sources are different, oh well.

 

Doesn't make Oswald a terrible shot though. He was a capable shooter, those are still good scores ya know. Marksmen is still above average.

 

Anyway facts about the Italian Carcano: 1. It is still recognized as the fastest military bolt action rifle in the world; 2. It is very utilitarian; 3. It is reasonably accurate; It is even MORE accurate with a 4-power scope.

 

Can three shots be fired accurately with one of these in under seven seconds? It is NOT impossible, particularly for a trained sniper.

 

If self trained hunters can hit multiple flying ducks repeatedly with a shotgun, why is it so hard to believe a Marine trained (ex) soldier can hit a moving target with a scoped military rifle? You could learn to do it yourself with only a couple hours of expert live fire instruction and practice. Start in the morning and be able to make the shot by early afternoon!

 

It is about 2.27 seconds per shot depending on who you believe. That is not that hard to do, I'm a gun owner and can do that with some practice as long as the gun is oiled up. Work a bolt on a gun, its not hard with practice.

 

Sure, he could have gotten the 3 shots off but watch your video again. He reloaded with his right while leaning on his left, now watch my video

 

How was he supposed to follw the car when both arms are in use? Look how fast it goes after the first shot, he could have fired 3 shots in 7 seconds but he couldn't have fired one (hitting target), reloaded, gotten aim, fired twice at moving target (30mph?) (missed), reloaded, gotten aim and fired a 3rd time at the moving car (headshot). No way.

 

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The car during the three shots never went much over 20 mph, until after the third shot.. And with a bullet going what, 2,000 feet per second? At that range you don't need much deflection.

 

So how do you know he used two arms, it could of been rested on the window ledge you know, and with practice you don't move the gun much when working the bolt with two hands.

 

And the guy in the video is aiming.

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The car during the three shots never went much over 20 mph, until after the third shot.. And with a bullet going what, 2,000 feet per second? At that range you don't need much deflection.

 

So how do you know he used two arms, it could of been rested on the window ledge you know, and with practice you don't move the gun much when working the bolt with two hands.

 

And the guy in the video is aiming.

Even so, what about the car dealership just a block from Kennedy's car, a man who worked at the lot was gonna testify he saw two police officers who told people to get out of the lot, why would they do that? the car was not gonna go UP the lot, people could have safely watched kennedy from that spot, but that spot is also where the theoretical second shooter is.

 

Oh, and the man who worked at the lot could not testify, because he coincidentally died dozingoff.gif

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I'm currently watching a programme on the assassintation call 'The Assassanation of JFK: Beyond Conspiracy' and it has some pretty interesting information.

 

1. Oswald was a crack shot. He averaged 48/50 from 200 yards, over twice the distance between him and JFK during the shooting.

2. He could DEFINETLY let off 3 shots in 8.3 seconds as it showed an untrainded 78 year old fire 3 shots in 7.1.

3. Stone's movie 'JFK' is not historically accurate in anyway bar the general plot. I quote him when I say 'I took advantage of dramatic license'.

4. There was no shooter at the knoll/lot. The audio evidence was based on the supposed position of a police officer who recorded the 'fourth shot' by accident. The police officer said he wasn't where the 3 scientists who dissected the tape said he was, this is backed up by computer animation accurately detailing the positions of the officer, JFK, Oswald etc. The 2nd shooter 'evidence' has been disproved by numerous federal and independent researchers.

 

Also, Oswald was a Marxist who wanted to make a name for himself (his own brother said he was self-obsessed and loved attention).

 

If you can find the documentry anywhere definetly check it out, very interesting.

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I suppose the firing sequence isn't really convincing considering they weren't really shooting at a target, but to me the strength of the second-gunman theory was always based on the movement of the head, which is explained by this.

 

I still have my doubts that Oswald wasn't contracted by the Mafia, it seems strange for him to just be a "lone nut" doing it out of self-motivation, but the interesting thing is that there hare plenty of character witnesses to suggest jack Ruby was doing the same when he killed Oswald, as some kind of vigilante justice.

 

In any case, I don't think there was any government involvement.

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I suppose the firing sequence isn't really convincing considering they weren't really shooting at a target, but to me the strength of the second-gunman theory was always based on the movement of the head, which is explained by this.

Unfortunatly I can't watch the video (bad connection) so I'm not sure if what I'm about to say is covered in it but the 2 shots that struck JFK had to have come from behind and above, for example, the 6th floor of a book depository rolleyes.gif

 

The first shot that hit Kennedy passed straight through him and hit the guy on front of him (Keller?) who was sitting 6 inches in from the right and 3 inches lower. The shot went through Kennedy's upper right back and hit the guy on front of him in the arm (breaking his wrist). No other sniper position could have made that shot, especially on front of the car.

 

The second shot which hit him (the third and fatal shot) went through JFKs head. If you watch the video in slow motion you see his head was tilted downwards, his forehead was facing the floor. The bullet went through the top of the head (at an angle appropriate to Oswalds position) and out through the forehead. If the shooter was on front of Kennedy he couldn't have made that shot (unless he was on JFKs lap).

 

The movement of the body and head makes no difference, he could have gone forward or backward, its completly irrelevant. The type of bullet was so sleek, pointed and sturdy that it would have sliced right through his head with no impact that would have affected movement. It was designed not to deform/crumple/shatter at any time but to slice evenly through flesh. Plus take into account that the driver probably accelerated after hearing the second shot and you have a possible reason for the backward movement. Either way its only the entry and exit wound that count and they show that the bullet went in the back and out the front.

 

 

I still have my doubts that Oswald wasn't contracted by the Mafia, it seems strange for him to just be a "lone nut" doing it out of self-motivation, but the interesting thing is that there hare plenty of character witnesses to suggest jack Ruby was doing the same when he killed Oswald, as some kind of vigilante justice.

Why would the mafia hire someone to kill the president and then hire someone to kill the killer? Who would kill the killers killer? Where would it stop? Thats not the mobs style, they'd hire people they can trust from the start incase things went wrong. You can argue that they had expected Oswald to escape and couldn't take the risk when he got caught but they would have known Jack Ruby (Oswald's killer) would have been caught.

 

The only conspirancy theory that makes sense to me (although it does have its plot-holes) is that Oswald was hired by the Cubans. JFK had tried many times to have Castro killed, Robert Kennedy, in a discussion with the head of the CIA, said 'I want Castro gone and Castros regime gone'. After numerous attempts on his life Fidel threatend JFK and America on Cuban TV. Then when you throw in that Oswald had tried to leave for Cuba and Russia unsuccessfully it adds to the theory. I still think its a load of bull though. suicidal.gif

 

 

So how do you know he used two arms, it could of been rested on the window ledge you know, and with practice you don't move the gun much when working the bolt with two hands.
You're right he did rest the gun on the window sill

 

And the guy in the video is aiming.
But not at a moving target, even so Oswald would have been able to hit the car even though it was moving. Edited by Seachmall
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The type of bullet was so sleek, pointed and sturdy that it would have sliced right through his head with no impact that would have affected movement. It was designed not to deform/crumple/shatter at any time but to slice evenly through flesh. Plus take into account that the driver probably accelerated after hearing the second shot and you have a possible reason for the backward movement. Either way its only the entry and exit wound that count and they show that the bullet went in the back and out the front.

That's what was discussed in the video. It showed that the bullet doesn't transfer much kinetic energy on entry it just slides in, but on exit it forces the head back in the opposing position.

 

 

Why would the mafia hire someone to kill the president and then hire someone to kill the killer? Who would kill the killers killer? Where would it stop? Thats not the mobs style, they'd hire people they can trust from the start incase things went wrong. You can argue that they had expected Oswald to escape and couldn't take the risk when he got caught but they would have known Jack Ruby (Oswald's killer) would have been caught.

 

Well, I've never considered the Cuban connection actually, so I just assumed that any group that would be helping would would probably be the Mafia. I don't really claim to know their style, but I didn't think that having the hitman gun the guy down on TV was their style either. Not only that, but there were plenty of people to indicate that Jack Ruby was just acting as some kind of vigilante. To me, I think that Oswald could have just as easily been playing into that hero mentality because of his links to Marxism.

 

 

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I think the terminator was brought back from the future to kill him. He just spawned naked upstairs in the book depository building and then hopped into that time machine that that little kid and his dog built. I mean thats what all the facts point to anyways.

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The JFK assasination was an obvious shooting created into a conspiracy and of course the patsy Oswald, the scary thing is, it was done by specialists of the US government.

 

Even Prison Break shows us the realities of state control in so called democratic nations, if anyone knows what i mean. lol

 

 

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Now it might be just me, but in the video it kind of looks like the driver turns round and shoots kennedy.. i'm serious.

Either that or a conviniently well-timed sun reflection

 

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Another thing, the film obviously has been edited, with frames missing. Watch here how Mrs Connolly's head turns around twice as humanly possible

 

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Now watch this video, the secret service men, who are payed to take bullets for the President are ordered to stand down

 

 

 

 

And finally watch these videos

 

 

 

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its no longer relevant to search of discuss who and how killed him, the question is why? who gained from this?

 

 

 

I've heard this speech like 100 times, but it still gives me goosebumps, every time I see and hear the las moments of this video.

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