Obliviongamer Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 (edited) I've been thinkig about this for a while now. Basically do you think Rockstar could implement some sort of emotional feeling into GTA IV. I know, it sounds crazy and it is. Let me explain: I once spent a day at a shooting range with my family not far from my home, and It was all going well until I accidentally shot a innocent person in the crowd, I felt panic because I have'nt shot a person before in my entire live. And now that is stamped into my brain, I will never forget it. The guy was still alive though however. The same thing with San Andreas, When I'm going around and shooting multiple peds... I don't feel anything, I just auto-lock and shoot. But what if that were to change in GTA IV, and when point your gun at someone, they plead for their life. You shoot the guy once in the leg and he drops down screaming even louder and pain and getting down to his knees. You then shoot him the arm and he is crawling over to your feet. You then finish him off with a shot to the head. What am I saying is, What if Niko had feelings when he had shot or even killed a person? I would call it NPC Emotions... They have a life and they want to keep it. Edited March 12, 2008 by Obliviongamer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seachmall Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 And when you kill someone a 5 year old little girl runs out of the crowd, cluthes the body and screams 'No!! MOMMY!!' and starts crying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obliviongamer Posted March 12, 2008 Author Share Posted March 12, 2008 and judging from This screenshot... I can actually see all of this happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smitdoggydog Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 That would be intense, to be honest whenever i've played GTA its just been lock on and shoot, but the whole pleading for mercy thing would make me think twice about my massive rampages in previous GTA's. If they got the torture/shooting limbs and watching them writh in pain thing down pat it would either make people more sadistic or make them think twice about killing people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gourangalol Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 Wasnt there an article that stated people don't just die now, they crawl away? i'm pretty sure i read it somewhere, that shooting people is a lot harder due to emotions etc *shrugs* i dunno, someone confirm or unconfirm this for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWGTA4 Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 And when you kill someone a 5 year old little girl runs out of the crowd, cluthes the body and screams 'No!! MOMMY!!' and starts crying. LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishermanGTA Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 Uhhhh no not really. Niko has feelings? No thanks. Niko is a skilled killer, he has done it before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seachmall Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 Uhhhh no not really. Niko has feelings? No thanks.Niko is a skilled killer, he has done it before. Characters are always more invloving if they aren't emotionally retarted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrel Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 Niko definitely has feelings. I think there is more to him what meets the eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ps3_,man Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 ok if that happens i think everyone who plays it will commit suicide out of guilt espeacially if a 5 year old girl comes out and cluthes the body Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
$tr4nger Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 No, I think he'll be as emotionally cold as Richard Kuklinski. Look that guy up.. The most notorious mafia hitman, who never (ever) felt remorse, no matter what he did to a person. Seriously though, Niko will have a natural soft side, just like any average person. And I think it's been confirmed by R* at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggy Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 There was a review where one guy was talking about killing someone and that he felt genuine sorrow and guilt because of the way the ped reacted. Can't be arsed finding a source but it was in the latest batch of reviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seachmall Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 No, I think he'll be as emotionally cold as Richard Kuklinski. Look that guy up.. The most notorious mafia hitman, who never (ever) felt remorse, no matter what he did to a person. Seriously though, Niko will have a natural soft side, just like any average person. And I think it's been confirmed by R* at some point. He was a loving father and husband. He didn't feel remorse for people he killed because they killed people or tried to kill him or his family. I've seen a few interviews with him and it is obvious that he does care very much for his family, he is not emotionally cold, just moraly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~>>TsingTao<<~ Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 I've been thinkig about this for a while now. Basically do you think Rockstar could implement some sort of emotional feeling into GTA IV. I know, it sounds crazy and it is. Let me explain: I once spent a day at a shooting range with my family not far from my home, and It was all going well until I accidentally shot a innocent person in the crowd, I felt panic because I have'nt shot a person before in my entire live. And now that is stamped into my brain, I will never forget it. The guy was still alive though however. The same thing with San Andreas, When I'm going around and shooting multiple peds... I don't feel anything, I just auto-lock and shoot. But what if that were to change in GTA IV, and when point your gun at someone, they plead for their life. You shoot the guy once in the leg and he drops down screaming even louder and pain and getting down to his knees. You then shoot him the arm and he is crawling over to your feet. You then finish him off with a shot to the head. What am I saying is, What if Niko had feelings when he had shot or even killed a person? I would call it NPC Emotions... They have a life and they want to keep it. I think you really need to seek help, It's people like you that we have most good games banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seachmall Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 I've been thinkig about this for a while now. Basically do you think Rockstar could implement some sort of emotional feeling into GTA IV. I know, it sounds crazy and it is. Let me explain: I once spent a day at a shooting range with my family not far from my home, and It was all going well until I accidentally shot a innocent person in the crowd, I felt panic because I have'nt shot a person before in my entire live. And now that is stamped into my brain, I will never forget it. The guy was still alive though however. The same thing with San Andreas, When I'm going around and shooting multiple peds... I don't feel anything, I just auto-lock and shoot. But what if that were to change in GTA IV, and when point your gun at someone, they plead for their life. You shoot the guy once in the leg and he drops down screaming even louder and pain and getting down to his knees. You then shoot him the arm and he is crawling over to your feet. You then finish him off with a shot to the head. What am I saying is, What if Niko had feelings when he had shot or even killed a person? I would call it NPC Emotions... They have a life and they want to keep it. I think you really need to seek help, It's people like you that we have most good games banned. Why? He showed remorse after accidently shooting someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azzerwazzer Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 Uhhhh no not really. Niko has feelings? No thanks.Niko is a skilled killer, he has done it before. Characters are always more invloving if they aren't emotionally retarted. Agent 47 is one of the coolest characters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobbie Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 !!!!!!I once spent a day at a shooting range with my family not far from my home, and It was all going well until I accidentally shot a innocent person in the crowd, I felt panic because I have'nt shot a person before in my entire live. And now that is stamped into my brain, I will never forget it. The guy was still alive though however.!!!!!!!!!! WTF DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!! how could you play GTA every again!!!!!!!!!!!!! you fukin shot some1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seachmall Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 Uhhhh no not really. Niko has feelings? No thanks.Niko is a skilled killer, he has done it before. Characters are always more invloving if they aren't emotionally retarted. Agent 47 is one of the coolest characters! Maybe, but he's not emotionally invloving. Hes what would be considered a 'flat' character. If he was killed you'd just move on to play with his replacement ( ). If he was invloving you would stop and think for a second, even if its just a second, after his death, maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GR33NY-G Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 I Think it would be a good idea lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azzerwazzer Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 Uhhhh no not really. Niko has feelings? No thanks.Niko is a skilled killer, he has done it before. Characters are always more invloving if they aren't emotionally retarted. Agent 47 is one of the coolest characters! Maybe, but he's not emotionally invloving. Hes what would be considered a 'flat' character. If he was killed you'd just move on to play with his replacement ( ). If he was invloving you would stop and think for a second, even if its just a second, after his death, maybe. yes but him being a 2d character [/i]is his character. its strange but you can grow to love 47 and i wouldent be happy at allnif he died and got replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
$tr4nger Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 No, I think he'll be as emotionally cold as Richard Kuklinski. Look that guy up.. The most notorious mafia hitman, who never (ever) felt remorse, no matter what he did to a person. Seriously though, Niko will have a natural soft side, just like any average person. And I think it's been confirmed by R* at some point. He was a loving father and husband. He didn't feel remorse for people he killed because they killed people or tried to kill him or his family. I've seen a few interviews with him and it is obvious that he does care very much for his family, he is not emotionally cold, just moraly. Oh yeah of course he cared about his family, I have also viewed many of the interviews. I did not say he had no emotions. The fact is though, that when he was told to kill someone he did it and felt no remorse at all. Before he was hired by the gambino family (i think?) his first test was to just go and kill a random person on the street. He did it without hesitation. He even stated many times that he had no remorse for anyone he killed and never will. He was a cold person and definately a unique person.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seachmall Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 (edited) Uhhhh no not really. Niko has feelings? No thanks.Niko is a skilled killer, he has done it before. Characters are always more invloving if they aren't emotionally retarted. Agent 47 is one of the coolest characters! Maybe, but he's not emotionally invloving. Hes what would be considered a 'flat' character. If he was killed you'd just move on to play with his replacement ( ). If he was invloving you would stop and think for a second, even if its just a second, after his death, maybe. yes but him being a 2d character [/i]is his character. its strange but you can grow to love 47 and i wouldent be happy at allnif he died and got replaced. I don't play Hitman so I can't really comment on it however the loyalty you appear to have would have been built up over several games. Niko may only be in this one game, maybe a cameo in the next GTA. Making him '3d' would make a connection easier. He even stated many times that he had no remorse for anyone he killed and never will. He was a cold person and definately a unique person.. True, as long as Niko has some conscience and cares for someone (like Richard did for his family) that connection can be formed. Anyway, its only a f*cking game Edited March 12, 2008 by Seachmall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The New Blueguy Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 (edited) You see this is thinking I can get behind. Peds reacting realistically. Just like he said: they have emotions, a life, a genuine regard for their families/ fellow man. I think it would be great if they showed some sort of emotion to the player. Unique and believable animations and voice acting tailored to these situations would go a long way to heighten that sense of realism. They could take it one step further and have some peds have a mind for vigilance. You know, you begin to randomly beat or open fire on a ped and other peds may attack you for doing so, or stop you until the police arrive. Or even have peds that are slightly injured fight for their lives by trying to disarm and then kill you. This would definately add a sense of humanity to the peds. In contrast, I believe enemy NPCs could show a change in behavior. They may go from cold-blooded thugs to begging for their lives and running/crawling away as Niko was to get the drop on them or the firefight intensifies and they feel they cannot take it. Then the player could be faced with a morality choice. Do I let him leave, possibly attracting the cops (on high alert) and lowering my reward for the job should word get out or do I finish him? The consequence of you actions could be that the enemy was a friend of some higher up. Letting him go would afford you immediate unwanted attention by law enforcement and a lower cash reward/respect boost for leaving witnesses. But on ther hand, shutting him up may close some doors for you, whether permanently or temporarily. Edited March 12, 2008 by The New Blueguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scaryow Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 You see this is thinking I can get behind. Peds reacting realistically. Just like he said: they have emotions, a life, a genuine regard for their families/ fellow man. I think it would be great if they showed some sort of emotion to the player. Unique and believable animations and voice acting tailored to these situations would go a long way to heighten that sense of realism. They could take it one step further and have some peds have a mind for vigilance. You know, you begin to randomly beat or open fire on a ped and other peds make attack you for doing so, or stop you until the police arrive. Or even have peds that slightly injured fight for their lives by trying to disarm and then kill you. This definately add a sense of humanity to the peds. In contrast, I believe enemy NPCs could show a change in behavior. They may go from cold-blooded thugs to begging for their lives and running/crawling away as Niko was to get the drop on them or the firefight intensifies and they feel cannot take it. Then the player could be faced with a morality choice. Do I let him leave, possibly attracting the cops (on high alert) and lowering my reward for the job should word get out or do I finish him? The consequence of you actions could be that the enemy was a friend of some higher up. Letting him go would afford you immediate unwanted attention by law enforcement and a lower cash reward/respect boost for leaving witnesses. But on ther hand, shutting him up may close some door for you, whether permanently or temporarily. good thinking there it would be much more fun when the peds and even criminals have emotions. A ped protecting another innocent ped by trying to disarm you would definetly add some realism to the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BasicReality Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 (edited) I think it would be awesome when you shoot someone and they go down in pain, and you can actually see them flop around on the dirt beneath you, fighting for their lives as the blood gushes out of the gunwound. MMmmmm yeah! link removed soz. In this clip you can see how people react when they get shot, this dude was killed relatively fast though so he don't flop around too much. Edited March 12, 2008 by BasicReality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vovopok Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 The guy was still alive though however. He was alive? Is he still? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BasicReality Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 Basically I think the most important aspect is to realistify the game, in the old games you could shoot someone with an AK47 and they just ran down the street in fear, if the game could capture that doing so actually have some consequences as in people going down on the ground screaming in pain or die instantly it would actually make you care about doing it. In the old games my effin' cousin who's 10 years old would go on killing sprees and laugh because there's no real consequence to it, make it more brutal, make it more in your facish and you'll think again before putting a piece of lead into someone. Trust me, when you see people get shot in real life you realise it's nothing like video games, people don't fly backwards, they don't continue to run away when they're shot, no they go down in pain, and the blood starts spilling after the very first shot, and even a shot from a 9mm can kill you easily if it hits you in a vital place, it doesn't need to be some crazy high caliber sniper rifle to kill you in 1 shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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