Slamman Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 I know, I'm bumping things rather librally...if that's the word for it... Here's the clip I shot and narrated... Got a 5 star rating and comment already. I didn't want to appear too harsh, but it makes me laugh even now, the way I did narrate it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spuds725 Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 (edited) I posted this in the PS3 topic but someone linked me to this thread-- hope for some clarification. I have a general HDMI question that might apply here-- I just got a 1080p TV a week ago.. I want to put my PS3 in my basement and connect a standard vid output and HDMI output to the PS3 so I can play on either TV without moving the PS3... (I do know how to switch it back and forth) I bought a 25' HDMI cable off of ebay-- I connected it up and it would not display at 1080p on my plasma (unplugged my 6' and plugged in the 25' to the same HDMI connections on the TV and the PS3). So I went ahead and switched the PS3 to standard vid output, then swithced the output to HDMI again... this time it came up via the HDMI at 480i, but if I select any other vid output setting (720, 1080i, 1080p either manually or in auto on the PS3) the TV says "no signal found"-- after 30 seconds it swithches back to the 480i output setting on the PS3 (like it is supposed to unless you accept the settings) via the HDMI. To check the new HDMI cable, I did hook this 25' HDMI to my cable box output (max output resolution for the cable box is 1080i) and it works fine (picture fine on the TV)so I'm thinking the cable is working ok. The TV is a Samsung 58PNA550 (58" plasma) if that is pertinent. Now my questions-- Has anyone else run this long a HDMI cable from their PS3?? Is the PS3 not putting enough power into the HDMI signal or is this maybe because I bought a "cheap" ebay HDMI cable? Do they sell HDMI line amplifiers that might help? I have a friend who has a brother who is going to make me up another 25' HDMI cable for me that I will try before I do anything else-- but hoping I can get some insight to my problem. Thanks in advance... Spuds. Edited April 9, 2009 by Spuds725 Spuds' GTA V 100% Checklist // My IV & Vice City Videos "I want to design a video game where you take care of all the people shot in all the other video games.... It's called Busy Hospital II" -- Demetri Martin RIP BDP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otter Posted April 9, 2009 Author Share Posted April 9, 2009 My knowledge on the subject is limited, but I'd have to say that it's the PS3 not putting out strong enough signal. At 25' you start running into the grey zone of HDMI specs. I know you can find an amplifier, and it very well may help your display - but before you buy one, are you sure your setup is going to work? Controllers work though the floor without a problem? If you're 100% sure about the, you can try buying an HDMI booster. They're expensive, however - and you probably don't want to buy one on a hunch. What's the minimum cable length you need? Say if you put the PS3 on a self closer to the ceiling? Anyhow, hopefully the new cable you get does a better job. Sounds like a cool setup! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZAZEL Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 I recently acquired this: It's a Samsung 4-series. 466 to be exact. I love it, and it was cheap'o. Is common sense now so rare, that we should call it something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slamman Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Yeah, can't go wrong with MOST Samsung. People give Dell PCs a hard time, but not their displays. I just find I can't get a number of channels with any consistancy, and there's only so many ways to drape an antenna around, and mostly it's hard not to notice either!! When I moved in I used the antenna hookup in the wall, that goes to the rooftop...fat good that did too! It's been sh*te since day one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhoda Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 I recently acquired this: http://www.ragingfire.co.uk/az/az_newtellyin.jpg It's a Samsung 4-series. 466 to be exact. I love it, and it was cheap'o. That's the exact TV I've got in my living room, it's a beautiful thing. What size are those? I forget. I think mine's around 40". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spuds725 Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 My knowledge on the subject is limited, but I'd have to say that it's the PS3 not putting out strong enough signal. At 25' you start running into the grey zone of HDMI specs. I know you can find an amplifier, and it very well may help your display - but before you buy one, are you sure your setup is going to work? Controllers work though the floor without a problem? If you're 100% sure about the, you can try buying an HDMI booster. They're expensive, however - and you probably don't want to buy one on a hunch. What's the minimum cable length you need? Say if you put the PS3 on a self closer to the ceiling? Anyhow, hopefully the new cable you get does a better job. Sounds like a cool setup! Sorry for the late response... was out of town (offline) a few days... Thanks for the response.... Yes I have verified the PS3 controller range-- works fine. I am putting the PS3 up high (out of kids reach)-- I need at least 20 feet of cable to reach (unless I move the TV (wall mounted) and shelf to a different wall in the basement)- I could potentially move it within about 10 feet if I have to. We are also moving the cable (DVR) box to the basement so I will still have a use for that HDMI cable (since it works for my cable box)-- I bought an IR remote extender ( http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=150331298789 )... to relay the IR signals from the remote to the basement-- the PS3 uses bluetooth (I think).. I did contact the ebay seller, he says the cable works fine on his PS3-- perhaps the Samsung TV needs a stronger signal to pick up-- I haven't had a chance to mess with this--- I'll try each of the HDMI inputs on the TV and see if it makes a difference as well as the other HDMI cable when I get it-- hopefully I can get it to work without throwing more money at the problem-- I'm finding it hard to complain about a 25' HDMI cable that I paid $10 (free shipping) for that works for my cable box. Spuds' GTA V 100% Checklist // My IV & Vice City Videos "I want to design a video game where you take care of all the people shot in all the other video games.... It's called Busy Hospital II" -- Demetri Martin RIP BDP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*MURDOC* Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Hearing Slammans voice gives me a weird feeling. lol I'm still saving for Mr.Mitsu65, and the cheaper he gets, the closer I get, but in the meantime I found a 32-inch LCD in the trash, its nothing special, in-fact its a cheapo (Magnavox, oh Philips, why put that good 'ol classic name on your cheap crap?) Lol, anyway, the only problem with it is that it keeps turning itself off, but I've read that its a common problem and pretty easily fixed, so hey, I got a fairly decent HDTV off the trash! I'll have to put a few bucks into it to make it work correctly (cheap f*cking electronics) but I'd say its totally worth it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otter Posted April 14, 2009 Author Share Posted April 14, 2009 Ha! Where the hell do you live that you can find HDTVs in the trash? @ spuds - keep us updated. Even though I'm still of the mindset that all HDMI cables are created equally, your problem is a little concerning. I wish I could help more, but I don't have a PS3. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*MURDOC* Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Ha! Where the hell do you live that you can find HDTVs in the trash? @ spuds - keep us updated. Even though I'm still of the mindset that all HDMI cables are created equally, your problem is a little concerning. I wish I could help more, but I don't have a PS3. Good luck! This is actually the second one! The first was older, big heavy silver f*cker with a glass screen, but it was all buggered up and I had neither the time or patience to build a new degaussing thingy, so I put it on my trash. (If its on my trash, its usually pretty much f*cked) But hey, someone actually took it. And to add, its not where I live, but where I work! Princeton proper, the land of fantastic trash-finds, including, but not limited to, a brand-new weed whacker, in the box (upon further inspection, I found that the f*cker never even had gas in its tank!) a vintage Schwinn bantam cruiser (the home had a RUF in the driveway, so I'm sure hes not worried about it) my '78 Indian Moped, a damn Windsurfer, complete with sail, perfectly pristine bikes, TV's aplenty, (Including my 50-inch Pioneer projection, complete with remote taped to the top, best non-HD projection I've seen) skateboards, lawnmowers, and all of it in good to unused condition! "Well, now I have a 65 inch, I dont need this 50-inch anymore!" "Carol gave us this lawnmower for a housewarming gift, but thats what I have Jose for! Should we donate it to charity? No, lets just throw it the f*ck out, we're rich!!!" And on the HDMI front... Even though I'm still of the mindset that all HDMI cables are created equally They basically are, BUT with one exception, and that is length. For my tiny 3 foot span, I'm fine with any HDMI really, but once you start getting long, you do get what you pay for, and if you didnt pay much in cash, you will be paying in weak signal and inferior picture quality. Did I mention 85% of my job is installing home theatres in those very same Princeton homes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otter Posted April 14, 2009 Author Share Posted April 14, 2009 Holy sh*t, glad to have a pro around. I use a 25' HDMI to connect my PC and TV - I paid 10$ for it from a contractor! Note quite finding it in a dumpster - but still! So I'm still not convinced as to what point the signal weakens beyond display - maybe you could shed some light on it? And what do you mean about inferior picture quality... digital artifacts and skipped frames? Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*MURDOC* Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 (edited) The main problems I've seen are the obvious artifacts like missing/dropped pixels, in some cases we needed to reset the monitor a few times because pixels seemed to stick, like for example, picture a sunset, with a lot of warm colours, then the next picture is an dimly lit interior shot, but with the lesser HDMI, random pixels were stuck orange or red until we shut down the monitor. This was with a pretty long cable, around 45 feet, and we ended up getting a commercial grade fiber-optic ($$$) that was almost an inch thick, and had to be run through the drop-ceiling. Another home had a weird aspect-ratio problem, where the picture always looked stretched in an odd direction, and that turned out to be fairly easy to fix, a signal-restorer unitwas installed in the wall, and it was definitely cheaper than buying all new cable (this one was over 70 feet!) but he would've been better off (why dont they listen to me in the first place? maybe they like to waste their money.) buying the thicker cable. But all in all, if your having signal problems, there are a fair amount of options to be had, some more expensive than others, but its worth it if you are a videophile like me/my customers. To add to this, up to around 30 feet, there shouldnt be signifigant signal loss, its past that number that you should start worrying if you've got a decent cable or not. Edited April 14, 2009 by *MURDOC* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otter Posted April 14, 2009 Author Share Posted April 14, 2009 Thanks for the info! I'll have to add this stuff to the first page somewhere. How big are these home theaters? Why do people keep their components so far away from their monitors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*MURDOC* Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 (edited) Thanks for the info! I'll have to add this stuff to the first page somewhere. How big are these home theaters? Why do people keep their components so far away from their monitors? Well, for the most part, simple aesthetics, they usually have all the gear (sound equip. media players, servers,basically all the "boxes") in a cabinet, usually custom-made specifically for what they are putting in there, and we put an exhaust system behind/under/around the cabinet to bring the excess heat outside, most of them like to "hide" their tech, which is pretty funny because all the guys in the neighbourhood are always trying to 1-up the other,"Oh, Tom got that 100-inch screen huh? How much do the 150s cost?" I've even had someone ask, "Is there anything higher than 1080p?" and not because he wanted an even better picture, it was because his neighbour got a 1080p projector and he wants one thats "better". But yeah, usually its just for a nice clean look, whereas the dudes who are more interested in the actual quality of the set-up dont mind having the wires run at the bottom of the walls, well, maybe its a little bit to show off his super-expensive cables, and his $50,000 audio system, but for the most part, he wants it to perform. I'll try to dig up a pic or two from the most recent theatre set-up. Here we are. What started as a cement floor and cinderblock walls has been given new life, thanks to your buddies at Langhorne WoodWorx. (forgive the crude pics, I had to scan them from photos.) The home as a whole. (with the lovable Mr.Monster in the driveway) 150-inch screen, HD projector, and mostly hidden wiring. If you look, you can see wires from the speaker run to the support beams which have a nice segmented wood surround, which looks a helluva lot better than bare metal poles. And now some bonus pics! I can also install your Observatory which resembles R2-D2, even though your neighbours hate it and think its really ugly. And, heres my dogs, because..... Well, look at them! They so cute! Edited April 14, 2009 by *MURDOC* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixdust Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 Ha! Where the hell do you live that you can find HDTVs in the trash? Last week there was a 52" Sony LCD tv in the garbage. I took it home, and after sweating like hell, I powered it up, and all I saw was a broken LCD. It stank of beer too, which probably means that someone was partying too hard and broke it. As for spuds' hdmi problem, digital should not work like analog. Either you have a signal or you don't. With analog you can have all types of interference, not with digital. I am assuming that the PS3 cannot scale it properly, and is confused by the two cables. One solution I can think of is to unplug and replug the cables as you need. Another would be to get a a video switch. This contraption takes one cable such as your hdmi, and then splits it two ways. There is a physical switch on the device to change between outputs. The outputs from the device would be an hdmi cable for your HDTV and the composite cables for your not so good tv. It may solve the problem for scaling, since the PS3 sees itself as sending out a HDMI signal always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spuds725 Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 As for spuds' hdmi problem, digital should not work like analog. Either you have a signal or you don't. With analog you can have all types of interference, not with digital. I am assuming that the PS3 cannot scale it properly, and is confused by the two cables. One solution I can think of is to unplug and replug the cables as you need. Another would be to get a a video switch. This contraption takes one cable such as your hdmi, and then splits it two ways. There is a physical switch on the device to change between outputs. The outputs from the device would be an hdmi cable for your HDTV and the composite cables for your not so good tv. It may solve the problem for scaling, since the PS3 sees itself as sending out a HDMI signal always. What do you mean by "scale it properly"?? It is confused by the two HDMI cables?? Are you saying I should hook up just the HDMI-- and no other outputs on the PS3?? To clarify (what I did before)-- I have a 6' HDMI cable that hooks up fine between the PS3 and the TV and displays in 1080p... i tried just unplugging it and plugging in the 25' one to test it, nothing.... so switched back to the 6' HDMI--- ok again... Then I connected up my composite cable to the PS3, switched the PS3 output back to this... plugged the 25' HDMI back in and switched my output back to the HDMI... it did display at 480 via the HDMI-- but if switching to any other output display mode on the PS3 either manually or in auto, the TV cannot detect a signal. the 25' HDMI cable works fine with my cable box at 1080i. Thanks... (I haven't had a chance to mess with this since my original post and don't have my other 25' HDMI cable yet to try) Spuds' GTA V 100% Checklist // My IV & Vice City Videos "I want to design a video game where you take care of all the people shot in all the other video games.... It's called Busy Hospital II" -- Demetri Martin RIP BDP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spuds725 Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 Sorry for the double post, but I think 2 weeks is sufficient to warrant a bump... I was just messing around with this cable and "sort of" got it to work but only at a maximum resolution of 1080i The PS3 would not find any supported resolutions in "auto" other then 480p but I was able to set each output resolution manually on the PS3 and the TV did display all resolutions up to 1080i... the TV will not find a signal at 1080p-- it does detect something because the the TV gives a "reconnect cable" when I disconnect the cable at the PS3 end of it when I did set the PS3 output at 1080p-- and it says "signal not found" after searching when I plug it back in a the PS3 end. I did check to verify that the cable box does have a maximum output of 1080i... I don't have anything else that puts out 1080p to check this on... The PS3 does display at 1080p with my other 6 foot cables... just not the 25 foot one... hopefully my other cable (when i get it) will work at 1080p for the PS3... if not, I guess I will have to live with it if I want my PS3 in my basement....my eyesight is poor enough that I can't tell the difference Is there such a thing as a HDMI cable that only supports up to 1080i? -- I don't know anything about this stuff and whether the cable can "limit" resolution.... Thanks in advance... Spuds... Spuds' GTA V 100% Checklist // My IV & Vice City Videos "I want to design a video game where you take care of all the people shot in all the other video games.... It's called Busy Hospital II" -- Demetri Martin RIP BDP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otter Posted April 29, 2009 Author Share Posted April 29, 2009 All I can assume - and hopefully Murdoc can fill in the blanks here - is that the cable is losing quality in the signal, and that the playstation is unable to "see" what TV you've got, therefore forcing it to downgrade the resolution. All just guesswork, really. I don't know exactly how the PS3 handles signals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZAZEL Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 I recently acquired this: http://www.ragingfire.co.uk/az/az_newtellyin.jpg It's a Samsung 4-series. 466 to be exact. I love it, and it was cheap'o. That's the exact TV I've got in my living room, it's a beautiful thing. What size are those? I forget. I think mine's around 40". This one's a 32". Good size for my room, I reckon. Is common sense now so rare, that we should call it something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyphonPayne Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 My primary TV that I use is a Dell W3207C 32" 1366x768 HDTV, costed me $999 back in Oct. '07. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slamman Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Sorry for the double post, but I think 2 weeks is sufficient to warrant a bump... I was just messing around with this cable and "sort of" got it to work but only at a maximum resolution of 1080i The PS3 would not find any supported resolutions in "auto" other then 480p but I was able to set each output resolution manually on the PS3 and the TV did display all resolutions up to 1080i... the TV will not find a signal at 1080p-- it does detect something because the the TV gives a "reconnect cable" when I disconnect the cable at the PS3 end of it when I did set the PS3 output at 1080p-- and it says "signal not found" after searching when I plug it back in a the PS3 end. I did check to verify that the cable box does have a maximum output of 1080i... I don't have anything else that puts out 1080p to check this on... The PS3 does display at 1080p with my other 6 foot cables... just not the 25 foot one... hopefully my other cable (when i get it) will work at 1080p for the PS3... if not, I guess I will have to live with it if I want my PS3 in my basement....my eyesight is poor enough that I can't tell the difference Is there such a thing as a HDMI cable that only supports up to 1080i? -- I don't know anything about this stuff and whether the cable can "limit" resolution.... Thanks in advance... Spuds... My PS3 is not working with my widescreen LCD, I am a bit miffed but confined to the analog cable for now. I just don't know what to make of it. I have something like three different HDMI to DVI cable converters on hand, thinking one was bad and another located in storage. I may settle for a HD dongle thingie. I would like to use my VGA monitors with all video analog machines I have. Just cause I have not set my Acer widescreen up with any main computer as yet. I had planned to move it wherever I want to use it... the nice thing about these screens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spuds725 Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 Does it detect the HDMI at all?? What is it doing? Did you try connecting the HDMI cable and then if it isn't automatically switching to the HDMI output, going into setup>display and manually switching it to an HDMI output and then setting it at the lowest resolution and then add each one, one at a time.. I don't know if there are issues running an HDMI to DVI cable-- I may be wrong but is there a DVI output on the back of the PS3?? Spuds' GTA V 100% Checklist // My IV & Vice City Videos "I want to design a video game where you take care of all the people shot in all the other video games.... It's called Busy Hospital II" -- Demetri Martin RIP BDP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spuds725 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Sorry for the double post, but I think 2 weeks is sufficient to warrant a bump... I was just messing around with this cable and "sort of" got it to work but only at a maximum resolution of 1080i The PS3 would not find any supported resolutions in "auto" other then 480p but I was able to set each output resolution manually on the PS3 and the TV did display all resolutions up to 1080i... the TV will not find a signal at 1080p-- it does detect something because the the TV gives a "reconnect cable" when I disconnect the cable at the PS3 end of it when I did set the PS3 output at 1080p-- and it says "signal not found" after searching when I plug it back in a the PS3 end. I did check to verify that the cable box does have a maximum output of 1080i... I don't have anything else that puts out 1080p to check this on... The PS3 does display at 1080p with my other 6 foot cables... just not the 25 foot one... hopefully my other cable (when i get it) will work at 1080p for the PS3... if not, I guess I will have to live with it if I want my PS3 in my basement....my eyesight is poor enough that I can't tell the difference Is there such a thing as a HDMI cable that only supports up to 1080i? -- I don't know anything about this stuff and whether the cable can "limit" resolution.... Thanks in advance... Spuds... Bumpdate on my issue... I got the ebay seller to issue me a full refund for that defective 25' HDMI cable. I got 2 new ones, tested them both on the PS3 and they worked fine and ran the cables yesterday and they both work fine. I have the PS3 and my cable box in my basement now next to another TV with the SD outputs going to that TV and have the HDMI cables run up to the big screen-- PS3 controllers work fine anywhere in the living room... I only played one game yesterday and was getting some static on my blue tooth headset- this may be from the distance or it could have been one of the other players.... will see how this plays out... I bought a couple of IR extenders to control the cable box from the living room--- my neighbor apparently has one too as they were changing my channel until I retracted the antenna on the receiver (IR extender). Everything seems to work fine... Thanks for the info/assistance.. Spuds' GTA V 100% Checklist // My IV & Vice City Videos "I want to design a video game where you take care of all the people shot in all the other video games.... It's called Busy Hospital II" -- Demetri Martin RIP BDP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Effy in Chains Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 I've being considering purchasing a 40" Samsung UE40B7020WW (LED 7 Series) for my bedroom and was wondering if anyone has some experience with these TVs. Also i've heard it states in the warranty that the screen may retain static images if they are left on it for over 2 hours, including those in video games (HUDs). So basically that has made me worried and i hope somebody can verify that's just in there to save Samsung money by limiting the warranty and that these LED TVs aren't really super vulnerable to screen burn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otter Posted May 29, 2009 Author Share Posted May 29, 2009 Samsung's LED tv's are actually LCDs; they just use LEDs for backlighting. Therefore, I don't see any reason why burn-in would become an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*MURDOC* Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 With most new TVs. burn-in is only a temporary problem anyway, one which can be remedied by turning off the screen and letting it sit for awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roastyleg Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Hey everyone, just wondering when playing xbox360 on my hd lcd tv then playing on an older crt tv, the crt tv felt smoother to play on,? any 1 know why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cursed Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 That's probably because CRT's generally have higer refresh rates than LCDs. However, on most new LCDs the refresh rates are high enough to make it unnoticable. It could even just be because the lower resolution of a CRT TV are blurring the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asimov Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 I just got a a new 42" 1080 plasma it's awesome. Before I was playing on an old 42" plasma that was only 480p or something, the difference is amazing. The old one seemed to have a really dark image, regardless of how I adjusted the settings, it's over 5 years old. Do plasmas lose image quality over time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Effy in Chains Posted May 31, 2009 Share Posted May 31, 2009 Samsung's LED tv's are actually LCDs; they just use LEDs for backlighting. Therefore, I don't see any reason why burn-in would become an issue. Thank God for that, now i can get one knowing that burn-in (if any) will only be temporary. It's news to me that the LEDs are only the backlighting, but i saw one in Comet (not where i'm buying mine from) yesterday and fell in love with it's visual brilliance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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