Where would you want next GTA?

[tmac9wr]

@ Southside Duke Ballas

 

I really have to disagree with you on your remarks saying that Miami's drug violence and crime is higher today than it was in the 1980's. 80's Miami was a borderline 3rd world country in many ways...with the flooding of Cubans into the area, many of whom were criminals, along with the fiorst true influx of cocaine importing in our nations history.

 

I got these statistics from here :

 

Year Population Murder/ Man-

slaughter Rape Robbery Aggravated Assault Total Violent Crime

2005 1,136,560 71 432 2,341 6,420 9,264

2004 1,116,701 91 464 2,281 6,360 9,196

2003 1,262,490 96 588 3,019 7,881 11,584

2002 1,235,648 95 494 3,198 8,115 11,902

2001 1,235,499 89 508 3,260 8,452 12,309

2000 1,204,294 101 726 3,516 8,261 12,604

1995 1,098,208 164 668 6,406 11,326 18,564

1990 1,036,888 231 802 8,368 10,747 20,148

1985 859,660 180 548 4,604 7,735 13,067

1980 774,491 214 533 5,698 5,986 12,431

 

Take a look in the difference at not only the Raw Stats, but also the difference in population. Miami had a considerably smaller population and was having MUCH higher amounts of crime. The crime was also considerably more fierce...The scene in Scarface when a man is cut up by a chainsaw is actually based on how an actual druglord, named Griselda Blanco, sometimes "disposed" of people. You can read a little bit more about her here. If you don't believe Miami was more dangerous and more interesting back then, take a look at this video

....it's tough to argue after watching that trailer.

 

The 80s was probably the coolest time ever...it's definitely time we go back to Vice City, it's been too long.

Edited February 27, 2008 by tmac9wr

[Southside Dukes Ballas]

 

@ Southside Duke Ballas

 

I really have to disagree with you on your remarks saying that Miami's drug violence and crime is higher today than it was in the 1980's.  80's Miami was a borderline 3rd world country in many ways...with the flooding of Cubans into the area, many of whom were criminals, along with the fiorst true influx of cocaine importing in our nations history.

 

I got these statistics from here :

 

Year  Population  Murder/ Man-

slaughter Rape Robbery Aggravated Assault Total Violent Crime

2005 1,136,560  71  432  2,341  6,420  9,264 

2004 1,116,701  91  464  2,281  6,360  9,196 

2003 1,262,490  96  588  3,019  7,881  11,584 

2002 1,235,648  95  494  3,198  8,115  11,902 

2001 1,235,499  89  508  3,260  8,452  12,309 

2000 1,204,294  101  726  3,516  8,261  12,604 

1995 1,098,208  164  668  6,406  11,326  18,564 

1990 1,036,888  231  802  8,368  10,747  20,148 

1985 859,660  180  548  4,604  7,735  13,067 

1980 774,491  214  533  5,698  5,986  12,431 

 

Take a look in the difference at not only the Raw Stats, but also the difference in population.  Miami had a considerably smaller population and was having MUCH higher amounts of crime.  The crime was also considerably more fierce...The scene in Scarface when a man is cut up by a chainsaw is actually based on how an actual druglord, named Griselda Blanco, sometimes "disposed" of people.  You can read a little bit more about her here.  If you don't believe Miami was more dangerous and more interesting back then, take a look at this video

....it's tough to argue after watching that trailer.

 

The 80s was probably the coolest time ever...it's definitely time we go back to Vice City, it's been too long.

I said it's more dangerous and fierce in America altogether not just Miami. Look at the stats for the overall murders from the 90s to the 00s compared to the 70s to 80s and almost all the murders in recent years and now are involved with the drug trade in the cities that the murders are mainly in( NY, Baltimore, Detroit, St.Louis, Chicago, LA, Philadelphia, DC etc)

 

I just think a modern VC would be better because the way the drug trade is now. Or they could put it in the 90s but if you really want an interesting GTA based in the south Make GTAs based off of a state with cities based on Dallas, Houston and Memphis or a updated VC with cities based on New Orleans and Orlando in the modern time.

[tmac9wr]

 

@ Southside Duke Ballas

 

I really have to disagree with you on your remarks saying that Miami's drug violence and crime is higher today than it was in the 1980's.  80's Miami was a borderline 3rd world country in many ways...with the flooding of Cubans into the area, many of whom were criminals, along with the fiorst true influx of cocaine importing in our nations history.

 

I got these statistics from here :

 

Year  Population  Murder/ Man-

slaughter Rape Robbery Aggravated Assault Total Violent Crime

2005 1,136,560  71  432  2,341  6,420  9,264 

2004 1,116,701  91  464  2,281  6,360  9,196 

2003 1,262,490  96  588  3,019  7,881  11,584 

2002 1,235,648  95  494  3,198  8,115  11,902 

2001 1,235,499  89  508  3,260  8,452  12,309 

2000 1,204,294  101  726  3,516  8,261  12,604 

1995 1,098,208  164  668  6,406  11,326  18,564 

1990 1,036,888  231  802  8,368  10,747  20,148 

1985 859,660  180  548  4,604  7,735  13,067 

1980 774,491  214  533  5,698  5,986  12,431 

 

Take a look in the difference at not only the Raw Stats, but also the difference in population.  Miami had a considerably smaller population and was having MUCH higher amounts of crime.  The crime was also considerably more fierce...The scene in Scarface when a man is cut up by a chainsaw is actually based on how an actual druglord, named Griselda Blanco, sometimes "disposed" of people.  You can read a little bit more about her here.  If you don't believe Miami was more dangerous and more interesting back then, take a look at this video

....it's tough to argue after watching that trailer.

 

The 80s was probably the coolest time ever...it's definitely time we go back to Vice City, it's been too long.

I said it's more dangerous and fierce in America altogether not just Miami. Look at the stats for the overall murders from the 90s to the 00s compared to the 70s to 80s and almost all the murders in recent years and now are involved with the drug trade in the cities that the murders are mainly in( NY, Baltimore, Detroit, St.Louis, Chicago, LA, Philadelphia, DC etc)

 

I just think a modern VC would be better because the way the drug trade is now. Or they could put it in the 90s but if you really want an interesting GTA based in the south Make GTAs based off of a state with cities based on Dallas, Houston and Memphis or a updated VC with cities based on New Orleans and Orlando in the modern time.

From that same previous website:

 

NYC

 

Number of Violent Crimes Reported by New York Cit by Year and Total

Year Population Murder/ Man-

slaughter Rape Robbery Aggravated Assault Total Violent Crime

2005 8,115,690 539 1,412 24,722 27,950 54,623

2004 8,101,321 570 1,428 24,373 29,317 55,688

2003 8,098,066 597 1,609 25,989 31,253 59,448

2002 8,084,693 588 1,689 27,229 34,334 63,840

2001 8,023,018 661 1,530 28,202 37,812 68,205

2000 8,008,278 673 1,630 32,558 40,831 75,692

1995 7,319,546 1,180 2,374 59,280 52,322 115,156

1990 7,322,564 2,251 3,126 100,280 68,891 174,548

1985 7,183,984 1,386 3,880 79,532 50,356 135,154

1980 7,035,348 1,818 3,711 100,550 43,476 149,555

 

LA:

 

Number of Violent Crimes Reported by Los Angeles by Year and Total

Year Population Murder/ Man-

slaughter Rape Robbery Aggravated Assault Total Violent Crime

2005 3,871,077 489 1,105 13,797 16,376 31,767

2004 3,864,018 519 1,131 14,181 26,956 42,787

2003 3,838,838 517 1,226 16,577 30,506 48,826

2002 3,830,561 655 1,415 17,197 32,429 51,696

2001 3,763,486 588 1,409 17,166 33,080 52,243

2000 3,694,820 550 1,459 15,527 32,705 50,241

1995 3,466,211 852 1,590 29,134 38,945 70,521

1990 3,485,398 987 2,014 36,098 44,714 83,813

1985 3,186,459 778 2,318 27,938 21,799 52,833

1980 2,952,511 1,011 2,813 25,637 21,987 51,448

 

Chicago:

 

Year Population Murder/ Man-

slaughter Rape Robbery Aggravated Assault Total Violent Crime

2005 2,873,130 448 0 15,964 17,943 34,355

2004 2,882,515 448 0 15,912 18,746 35,106

2003 2,898,224 598 0 17,302 19,784 37,684

2002 2,938,297 648 0 18,532 24,842 44,022

2001 2,910,707 666 0 18,433 25,533 44,632

2000 2,896,014 631 0 19,345 26,545 46,521

1995 2,749,811 824 0 30,086 39,205 70,115

1990 2,783,726 851 0 37,156 41,114 79,121

1985 2,998,841 666 1,792 26,892 29,096 58,446

1980 2,986,419 876 1,329 16,261 10,205 28,671

 

Cities like Washington DC, Philadelphia, and Detroit presently have slightly lower murders compared to back in the 80s...I just didn't want to stretch the page anymore.

 

Give it up man, crime was considerably higher back then...the numbers don't lie. Beyond the whole "it was more dangerous back then" thing...I just think it would be cooler to have the game back in the 80s...the style was great and everything else back then was just....cooler in a way.

Edited February 27, 2008 by tmac9wr

[99 Gta 99]

The whole Seattle metro area wouldn't be bad. Think about it, Everett,Seattle,Tacoma, all cities have a high auto theft rate. Not much murders, but lots of theft. I would love driving in South Tacoma where it's considered "Washingtons ghetto". And then they could stick in Sunnyside,Yakima,Washington as DLC for both systems. Sunnyside has lots of gangs and crime. Think about it.

[ledzepp18]

one word: Buffalo

[Vive La France]

Rio De Janerio.

[nlitement]

All your ideas suck ASS.

Major ASS!

 

 

CHICAGO

[mynamesdan]

berlin man, it's got to be berlin. massive roads, multicultural, graffiti on every building (seriously, that'S every building)

[tmac9wr]

I don't see why Chicago, Boston (my hometown), or Philly should even be considered as their own GTA cities.

 

Chicago, Boston, and Philly all have relatively similar qualities...they're all great cities in their own rights, but as for a criminal atmosphere, none of these cities bring a facet of crime that isn't already involved with New York. The only one that may have a unique crime world would be Boston because of the highly built up Irish Mafia...but I'm sure NYC has at least some Irish mobsters.

 

Chicago's crime world is famous for mafia gangsters (mainly happening in the 20's/30's). New York City is just as famous.

Philly is known as a very thuggish city, it has a high African American population, and there is a ridiculous amount of gang activity...New York has that too!

 

I'm not saying that it wouldn't be fun to have cities based on Chi-Town or Philly, my argument is that they don't differ from Liberty City enough to warrant their own game. The only other Northeastern/Midwestern city I could imagine being worthy of their own game would be Detroit (or Carcer City as it's known elsewhere). It's got a different style because it's not just ghetto...it's abandoned, absolutely crime ridden (moreso than the others), and utterly depressing...a city that was once a thriving metropolis, fallen from glory and now stuck in horrible poverty and depression. Even that would be a stretch for me though...I would rather that be a smaller city you could visit from another more prosperous city.

 

The only city in the Northeast city that I think could be justified would be Washington DC/Baltimore. Both have the Ultra-Rich and the Ultra Poor. Both cities have horrid crime, with Baltimore being the more troubled of the two...anyone who has watched the HBO tv series "The Wire" knows that Baltimore is a bad ass place. There would be plenty of unique crimes...I'm sure more than a couple politicians could find use for someone who's not afraid to bend the rules. Along with that, the famous R* humor would have more than enough ammunition to poke fun of the Government presence in our nations capital.

 

Still, there's no reason it shouldn't be Vice City next. I wouldn't mind it going back to SA after that either.

 

In my opinion the only cities that should be in GTA games would be Liberty City, Vice City, Las Venturas, Los Santos, San Fierro, and perhaps the Washington DC/Baltimore city I was just talking about. Perhaps at some point adding a South American city would work, as a connection for drugs back to the United States. I don't see good enough reason to have any GTA game being located anywhere in Europe. European cities have very low crime (which is a great thing), so there's no reason we couldn't find a more suitable choice in the Americas.

Edited February 27, 2008 by tmac9wr

[ryuclan]

I would like it to be here in Milwaukee, but nobody will agree with that. I mean we have crime...a lot of crime. If a GTA was made here in Milwaukee I swear I would piss my pants at the announcement.

[tmac9wr]

Don't worry, you won't have to piss yourself, because it will never be there....why do people keep on just mentioning their home towns instead of actually thinking of legit places? I heard someone say Seattle earlier and it made me crack up.

[ryuclan]

Don't worry, you won't have to piss yourself, because it will never be there....why do people keep on just mentioning their home towns instead of actually thinking of legit places? I heard someone say Seattle earlier and it made me crack up.

Because thats where I would want it to be....that is what this topic is about right? Also if you have seen the whole of Milwaukee you'd notice that it may well be suited for a GTA. It's diverse in locale, people, cultures, there are different types of neighborhoods and different areas with their own reputation.

[kool_J_rap]

[tmac9wr]

Is that Calgary?

[kool_J_rap]

Is that Calgary?

f*ck YEAH

[ryuclan]

Just a few pics of the downtown Milwaukee area. The second one looks really flat because of the angle of the shot, but actually it isnt like that.

[adrian949]

Just a few pics of the downtown Milwaukee area. The second one looks really flat because of the angle of the shot, but actually it isnt like that.

looks really clean lol

[stevenkb5258]

Don't know if anyone was suggested this but what about Washington D.C. ? It would be interesting to see what R* would do with all the monuments. I used to thing Chicago was a good idea, but Saints Row has already tied that city.

[adrian949]

I don't see why Chicago, Boston (my hometown), or Philly should even be considered as their own GTA cities.

 

Chicago, Boston, and Philly all have relatively similar qualities...they're all great cities in their own rights, but as for a criminal atmosphere, none of these cities bring a facet of crime that isn't already involved with New York. The only one that may have a unique crime world would be Boston because of the highly built up Irish Mafia...but I'm sure NYC has at least some Irish mobsters.

 

Chicago's crime world is famous for mafia gangsters (mainly happening in the 20's/30's). New York City is just as famous.

Philly is known as a very thuggish city, it has a high African American population, and there is a ridiculous amount of gang activity...New York has that too!

 

I'm not saying that it wouldn't be fun to have cities based on Chi-Town or Philly, my argument is that they don't differ from Liberty City enough to warrant their own game. The only other Northeastern/Midwestern city I could imagine being worthy of their own game would be Detroit (or Carcer City as it's known elsewhere). It's got a different style because it's not just ghetto...it's abandoned, absolutely crime ridden (moreso than the others), and utterly depressing...a city that was once a thriving metropolis, fallen from glory and now stuck in horrible poverty and depression. Even that would be a stretch for me though...I would rather that be a smaller city you could visit from another more prosperous city.

 

The only city in the Northeast city that I think could be justified would be Washington DC/Baltimore. Both have the Ultra-Rich and the Ultra Poor. Both cities have horrid crime, with Baltimore being the more troubled of the two...anyone who has watched the HBO tv series "The Wire" knows that Baltimore is a bad ass place. There would be plenty of unique crimes...I'm sure more than a couple politicians could find use for someone who's not afraid to bend the rules. Along with that, the famous R* humor would have more than enough ammunition to poke fun of the Government presence in our nations capital.

 

Still, there's no reason it shouldn't be Vice City next. I wouldn't mind it going back to SA after that either.

 

In my opinion the only cities that should be in GTA games would be Liberty City, Vice City, Las Venturas, Los Santos, San Fierro, and perhaps the Washington DC/Baltimore city I was just talking about. Perhaps at some point adding a South American city would work, as a connection for drugs back to the United States. I don't see good enough reason to have any GTA game being located anywhere in Europe. European cities have very low crime (which is a great thing), so there's no reason we couldn't find a more suitable choice in the Americas.

ya i really agree with you on how those cities would seem too familiar to NYC

[bf2player]

LONDON WILL BE THE NEXT CITY IN GTA

 

THE MAIN FOCUS WILL BE AROUND AREAS LIKE BRIXTON, HARLESDEN, TOTTENHAM, HACKNEY, LEYTONSTONE, STONEBRIDGE, STREATHAM, PECKHAM, STOCKWELL, NEWHAM, KILBURN, KENSAL GREEN

 

LONDON IS ALOT MORE GANGSTA THAN YOU THINK

NO THANKS I DON'T WANT MY CHARACTER SPENDING HALF OF HIS TIME DRINKING TEA.

[ryuclan]

looks really clean lol

lol trust me. It's just the pictures. If you walk down that very street there will be trash flying across the street (not a lot though) vedors selling hotdogs, you know city stuff.

They have also rebuilt a mall not too far away. It is an outdoor type mall where you pretty much go outside to cycle through the various stores.

[ryuclan]

And then you got the other parts of Milwaukee:

 

 

Where random sh*t happens for no reason an whoever does them is never anywhere to be seen. We have things like Juneteenth where you can't even go no more unless you got at least three friends to back you up

 

 

MILWAUKEE - Pat Kasthurirangaian said he doesn't know the people who pulled him from his car and brutally beat him. He doesn't know why they did it. He has some serious injuries after a senseless beating that took place as people left Tuesday's Juneteenth celebration.

 

"They broke my nose, they busted my lip in many places and I have a fractured eye socket," Kasthurirangaian told.TODAY'S TMJ4 reporter Michael George

 

There are snipers on the roofs when there are things like this. Summerfest is probably the only event you can go to without worrying about fights and whatnot.

 

 

OOps sorry for the double post, thought somebody had posted ahead of me.

[jimmyjojo]

I would like it ot be in India, preferably Bangalore.....

This is the best idea thus far. India would be amazing... think of the Bollywood movie references they could make that nobody would get. Plus it's over crowded and full of potential.

 

The American GTA games are fun but it's becoming over done, and Western Europe is boring... sorry but it's just not going to be fundamentally different enough from the American settings for it to feel original. It'll be like watching some European version of an American movie or something. I'm not saying it can't be good but it'll be redundant.

 

Changing the setting to a place completely foreign to western culture would be the smartest decision in terms of direction for the franchise. The main protagonist could still be an American and/or European character, somebody completely foreign to the environment as well. It would help establish a connection between western players and the story, playing somebody first being introduced to the setting.

 

GTAIV is starting off this trend by having a foreign character coming to a setting he knows nothing about, this makes for a dramatic story in which the setting plays an important role, but for American gamers such as myself the landscape of New York is very familiar (or at least to me) so while I can appreciate the story of a foreigner coming to America and exploring a foreign environment for the first time, I cannot relate. GTA settings should be determined by the story they can tell and be a part of... The best thing they can do is to move it to a place none of us know anything about.

 

 

PS. Citing real life murder rates of your city is a stupid argument for why a city is deserving of a GTA title. A good fictional story about crime can be written about any place and any time, regardless of real life stats. It's not something to be proud of.

 

[tmac9wr]

I would like it ot be in India, preferably Bangalore.....

This is the best idea thus far. India would be amazing... think of the Bollywood movie references they could make that nobody would get. Plus it's over crowded and full of potential.

 

The American GTA games are fun but it's becoming over done, and Western Europe is boring... sorry but it's just not going to be fundamentally different enough from the American settings for it to feel original. It'll be like watching some European version of an American movie or something. I'm not saying it can't be good but it'll be redundant.

 

Changing the setting to a place completely foreign to western culture would be the smartest decision in terms of direction for the franchise. The main protagonist could still be an American and/or European character, somebody completely foreign to the environment as well. It would help establish a connection between western players and the story, playing somebody first being introduced to the setting.

 

GTAIV is starting off this trend by having a foreign character coming to a setting he knows nothing about, this makes for a dramatic story in which the setting plays an important role, but for American gamers such as myself the landscape of New York is very familiar (or at least to me) so while I can appreciate the story of a foreigner coming to America and exploring a foreign environment for the first time, I cannot relate. GTA settings should be determined by the story they can tell and be a part of... The best thing they can do is to move it to a place none of us know anything about.

 

 

PS. Citing real life murder rates of your city is a stupid argument for why a city is deserving of a GTA title. A good fictional story about crime can be written about any place and any time, regardless of real life stats. It's not something to be proud of.

I respectfully disagree. I understand what you're saying about the whole "it's a whole new environment!"-perspective, but I don't think it would work. Half the appeal of GTA is the mixture of people and cultures. That's why American cities are so perfect for the franchise. With an American city there is the possibility of coming into contact with the Italian Mafia, Russian Mafia, Irish Mafia, Colombian Cartels, Haitians, Mexicans, Cubans, Jamaicans, Street Gangs, Yakuza, etc. Cities in other countries usually don't offer the same diversity.

 

I'm assuming you're little "PS" thing was directed at me for posting crime statistics...I think you misunderstood what I was saying. Someone claimed that back in the 70s and 80s crime wasn't as fierce as it is now, I was simply showing some statistical data that proved things were actually considerably worse back in the 1970s-80s...especially in Miami.

[chunky_monkey]

"I love the dirty water...

 

BOSTON is my home!"

same here buddy

[macorules94]

Solun/Salonika in MACEDONIA

or

Perth in Western Australia

or

Belgrad in Serbia

or

Rome in Italy

or

Melbourne in Australia

or

Sydney in Australia

[MCFC]

I think we should stick to countries where the primary language is english lol

[krashdown]

Carcer City and a countryside to go with it, maybe a smaller city or 2 and small towns scattered everywhere

[Tonay_Montana]

Reno Nevada!!!!!! thats where I live!!! haha that sh*t would be boring, and they already did vegas, so f*ck!! I would like the whole state of california to be made into a GTA.

[P110]

Irak