Kosovo Declares Independence

[TFatseas]

 

I'm glad they burned McDonald's and the embassy. Shame about the guy that died though

The US is VERY upset with the embassy attack, blaming the Serb government for not doing more to prevent the actions, namely the Serb President and the Prime Minister.

 

The Serbs are turning much of the worlds opinion against you, and Russia being the largest of your only support, they are not in much of a position to do anything.

 

The road to respectability and economic prosperity is a long one, for any nation, but for the hot-headed it is an endless one.

Edited February 21, 2008 by TFatseas

[BigGamer]

 

To understand the whole Kosovo situation you'd have to study up the history of the Balkan region as a whole. The Albanians for one claim to be decedents of Illyrians which in my opinion is nonsense. I don't doubt that some of the Balkan people have some Illyrian blood, but there is noway that the majority of Albanians could be Illyrian. They don't all even follow the same religion, let alone come from the same people. Do to it being the crossroads between western Europe and Asia for so long, many of the peoples populating the Balkans have mixed with other ethnic groups.

Bull. Iranians used to be Zoroastrians, the Germans and the English used to be pagans, the Greeks and the Italians used to be polytheists, the Spanish used to be Muslims (well, some of them), England used to be Catholic, and the list goes on and on and on. Changing religion does not change your ancestry.

 

And what makes you think they don't come from the same people? Did you go ahead and do a DNA test on every Albanian on Earth?

 

 

I don't think any ethnic group in the Balkans can claim land based on its history, the ownership of land there has changed hands so many times that there is no real ethnic group today that has always been "native" to that land. Kosovo should probably just be divided among ethnic borders, but this is unlikely to happen. If the Serbs allow Kosovo to separate, the Russians fear that it might encourage the republics(Chechnya..ect) under their control to go after independence. The same scenario might also happen in other places in the world: Spain, France, Turkey and Iran(Kurds)...the list goes on..

A) That counts for the Serbs too.

 

B) The Kurds are as Iranian as I am, and my heritage is as Iranian as it gets. If they rebel, it'll be to get out from under the Islamic Republic, not because of some race war.

[Tom Toole]

I'm glad they burned McDonald's

Cause McD is evil?

[Adam Jensen]

 

I'm glad they burned McDonald's and the embassy. Shame about the guy that died though

The US is VERY upset with the embassy attack, blaming the Serb government for not doing more to prevent the actions, namely the Serb President and the Prime Minister.

 

You guys are turning much of the worlds opinion against you, and Russia being the largest of your only support, they are not in much of a position to do anything.

 

The road to respectability and economic prosperity is a long one, for any nation, but for the hot-headed it is an endless one.

So you suggest they just sit and wait for more bullsh*t from Americans. They have the right to fight against them. And Russia, China and India (3/5 of the words population and 3 nuclear forces) are on their side. So what do you think should happen now

 

And do you really think Serbian government gives a sh*t that US is upset

They didn't even try to stop them - thats how much they care. If they could, they would trow couple of Molotov's themselves

 

And you say YOU GUYS

 

I am not a Serb (not that I have anything against them). I'm their neighbor. Thats why I am with them on this one

 

 

Tom Toole - No, because Burger King is better

Seriously, is because they burn everything American on their way LMFAO

[TFatseas]

 

I'm glad they burned McDonald's and the embassy. Shame about the guy that died though

The US is VERY upset with the embassy attack, blaming the Serb government for not doing more to prevent the actions, namely the Serb President and the Prime Minister.

 

You guys are turning much of the worlds opinion against you, and Russia being the largest of your only support, they are not in much of a position to do anything.

 

The road to respectability and economic prosperity is a long one, for any nation, but for the hot-headed it is an endless one.

So you suggest they just sit and wait for more bullsh*t from Americans. They have the right to fight against them. And Russia, China and India (3/5 of the words population and 3 nuclear forces) are on their side. So what do you think should happen now

 

And do you really think Serbian government gives a sh*t that US is upset

They didn't even try to stop them - thats how much they care. If they could, they would trow couple of Molotov's themselves

 

And you say YOU GUYS

 

I am not a Serb (not that I have anything against them). I'm their neighbor. Thats why I am with them on this one

 

 

Tom Toole - No, because Burger King is better

Seriously, is because they burn everything American on their way LMFAO

India is still weighing(no official stance) its options and China has not said they wouldn't recognize Kosovo as an independent nation but supports further negotiation into regional stability.

 

ETA:I have fixed the earlier post.

Edited February 21, 2008 by TFatseas

[Tom Toole]

Thats why I am with them on this one

 

Tom Toole - No, because Burger King is better

Seriously, is because they burn everything American on their way LMFAO

Ummm...

Taco Bell Dog is cute?

 

I dunno. Things are complicated. I am surprised at the number of communists in France. But in other news, - India and China are involved???

 

India: because of Kashmir?

[PlatinumSerb]

 

To understand the whole Kosovo situation you'd have to study up the history of the Balkan region as a whole. The Albanians for one claim to be decedents of Illyrians which in my opinion is nonsense. I don't doubt that some of the Balkan people have some Illyrian blood, but there is noway that the majority of Albanians could be Illyrian. They don't all even follow the same religion, let alone come from the same people. Do to it being the crossroads between western Europe and Asia for so long, many of the peoples populating the Balkans have mixed with other ethnic groups.

Bull. Iranians used to be Zoroastrians, the Germans and the English used to be pagans, the Greeks and the Italians used to be polytheists, the Spanish used to be Muslims (well, some of them), England used to be Catholic, and the list goes on and on and on. Changing religion does not change your ancestry.

 

 

 

Interesting..now can you please show me where I stated that changing ones religion also changes ancestry? I simply said that the Albanian people don't follow the same religion meaning that there is a mix of Christians and Muslims.

 

 

And what makes you think they don't come from the same people? Did you go ahead and do a DNA test on every Albanian on Earth?

No I haven't, but I'm sure others have tested samples within Albania. I'm not arguing that some Albanians and other people form the Balkans don't have Illyric roots, I just don't think that the majority of Albanian originates from Illyrians.

 

 

A) That counts for the Serbs too.

 

B) The Kurds are as Iranian as I am, and my heritage is as Iranian as it gets. If they rebel, it'll be to get out from under the Islamic Republic, not because of some race war.

 

A) Of course it does, thats why so many Serbs live in Bosnia and now to a very small extant in Croatia(Krajina).?

 

 

B.) So what your saying is that its going to be a Religious war? Seeing as you remembered to mention that it is an Islamic Republic.

[GM Dude]

Actually, Austri-Hungary started the War. It just happens that members of our ethnic group living in another country made an event which led to the war. What does that have to do with Serbia initiating World War I.

 

@AndySerb: Nah, I think WWIII is a bit far off, and hopefully it will not happen. I am as upset as you are, but if Serbia does not want to have a bad reputation anymore, than we will need to take care of this diplomatically. Peacefully, not through war, really. As soon as Tadic puts our troops there, that will be it for Serbia. Once that happens, I do not see Serbia actually coming back to become a fruitful nation.

WWIII already happened, it's called the Cold War, and it happened between 1946-1991,

but without nuclear war .

 

Seriously, though, this could be the spark for more problems over in Europe,

and I really don't want to have my country{USA} going to another foreign war.

 

 

[TFatseas]

The reason the West is looking into this is because the mass murders and completely unwarranted genocide the coward Milosevic, and the VRS, backed. That coward sanctioned murders of absolutely innocent men, women and children, in cold blood. Please don't tell me you find nothing wrong with mothers being pulled out of mass graves, still clutching their babies. They committed some of the worse genocides since WWII.

 

Their hotheaded approaches to getting attention, showcased by the attacks on multiple embassy's, which only succeeded in pissing more country's off, doesn't help them one bit.

 

Nations in former Yugoslavia had the right to self determination. Referendums were held and independence won overwhelmingly (In Bosnia- 63% turnout, 99% vote for independence). So why doesn't that apply to Kosovo?

 

Had Slobo fought 'clean' earlier on, we would not be so interested in the situation in Kosovo. But because he fought like a monstrous thug. He doomed Serbia to forced dismemberment.

 

It's the traditional penalty for pissing off the west over there - look at what created Yugoslavia in the first place (forced dismemberment of Prussia & Austria-Hungary) .

Edited February 22, 2008 by TFatseas

[BigGamer]

 

Interesting..now can you please show me where I stated that changing ones religion also changes ancestry? I simply said that the Albanian people don't follow the same religion meaning that there is a mix of Christians and Muslims.

You made it seem as if religious beliefs had a role to play in whether or not the Albanians are of Illyrian ancestry.

 

 

No I haven't, but I'm sure others have tested samples within Albania. I'm not arguing that some Albanians and other people form the Balkans don't have Illyric roots, I just don't think that the majority of Albanian originates from Illyrians.

Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. That's not my concern. However, "I just don't think" isn't really valid evidence.

 

 

A) Of course it does, thats why so many Serbs live in Bosnia and now to a very small extant in Croatia(Krajina).?

Sure.

 

 

B.) So what your saying is that its going to be a Religious war? Seeing as you remembered to mention that it is an Islamic Republic.

No, I'm saying they'll get sick of living under a government that cares more about hanging bad Muslims than providing basic services to the people. I call it the Islamic Republic because that's what it is; they could care less what happens to the country, as long as Islam's ok!

 

[AndyGanteks]

/wokes up

 

It was a Serb who died in the embassy.Probably somebody who came alone and lost himself in it when people entered and started burning the building.Possibly those US marines killed him stealthly throught security cameras and let him burn until the situation chills and firefighters do the work.

 

I'm totaly agreeding with what Vanja says.

 

We'd burn burger king too,if there was any in town.

Did i mentioned that some younger kids(13-16) broke into one of the NIKE stores with shoes and stole some soccer balls and warderobe.Haha ,Shame i got back at 20:00 i missed the second part of the fun.

 

India,Spain,China,Russia,Serbia,Romania,parts of Montenegro,Austria,Bosnia(republika Srpska),parts of Macedonia,parts of Greece,parts of Australia,some smaller african and asian countries...

 

VS

 

US,Britain,Canada,bigger part of Australia,France,Turkey,Albania,Germany,Denmark,senegal,some other smaller african countries,Italy...etc

 

It's Western world vs Eastern world.

English speaking vs non-english speaking

modern vs old

 

And for those saying that Slobodan Milosevic ruined our country,no!

If he hadnt signed the 12:44 resolution,they'd steal our Kosovo earlier,in 1999 when they terrorised us.

This saved us for a few years,but now it seems the final battle is very close.

Onto Milosevic thing,he was the Serbian side of genocide,but what about others from Croatia...etc who did genocide on Serbs?Why didnt you bomb Croatia, US and A,huh?

 

About the referendums,I agree about Croatia being inderpendant and Slovenia and Macedonia and Montenegro.I dont have anything against Montenegro because they honestly did deserve its own country.

Albania,didnt deserve Kosovo nor it will.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Typhus]

Since nobody of the major countries cares what Serbia thinks about this Kosovo thing we vandalize their property to try and get their attention.

I'm afraid it won't work. You see, the Serbs killed a lot of Muslims did they not? And so Western politicians, with their favoritism towards Islam will naturally act against this nation. Hell, they act against Christians and Jews in their own country so why would they treat Serbia any differently? But smashing embassies? Not the way to go. Listen to me. Non-violent resistance. Bought the British Empire to its knees, bought about civil rights in America. Pus, it lets you lot keep the moral high ground.

[Struff Bunstridge]

It was a Serb who died in the embassy.Probably somebody who came alone and lost himself in it when people entered and started burning the building.Possibly those US marines killed him stealthly throught security cameras and let him burn until the situation chills and firefighters do the work.

 

Yeah, poor little violent protester. I suppose he just turned up for a cup of tea and a bit of a chat, did he?

[AndyGanteks]

It was a Serb who died in the embassy.Probably somebody who came alone and lost himself in it when people entered and started burning the building.Possibly those US marines killed him stealthly throught security cameras and let him burn until the situation chills and firefighters do the work.

 

Yeah, poor little violent protester. I suppose he just turned up for a cup of tea and a bit of a chat, did he?

The news just reported it was a female ,and under 20 years.

 

Anyways victims will be massive in both sides,so i will just skip crying,we need to be courage....

 

Ill reserve this post for the videos of the nicer side of the protest.Just for the little of Serbs on this forum

 

 

 

 

 

P.S.-Violence will stop when Kosovo is back in Serbia.

 

 

[Bad~Boy#17]

What does language have to do with it? Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia and Montenegro speak the same language.

Serbia, Croatia and Bosnia and Montenegro speak 3 different languages.

[Typhus]

P.S.-Violence will stop when Kosovo is back in Serbia.

If that is the case then you will never get it back. By becoming violent you are playing right into the hands of the people who took Kosovo away. Success comes from seperating yourself from them, by portraying yourselves as morally superior. Words and ideas are a lot more powerful than bombs and bullets. You want it back? Non violent political action. Trust me.

[Stefan.]

What does language have to do with it? Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia and Montenegro speak the same language.

Serbia, Croatia and Bosnia and Montenegro speak 3 different languages.

No, dickhead. Linguistically, the differences between Serbian/Croatian/Bosnian are the differences between American English/British English and Australian English. Yet, since they are very nationalistic, they call it as if it is their own. I can walk into Croatia and still understand everything they say.

 

 

Sure.

 

What, so you do not believe that 49% of Bosnia-Herzegovina is actually a Serbian republc where the majority of people are Serbs? Why do you think the Bosnian War actually took place, because no Serbs were living there? Why do you not think we were fighting over Slovenia? When Slovenia gained independant, there was no point in fighting over it because hardly any Serbs lived there. Bosnia and Croatia were different; look at my mum's family, for example. My mum's family is Serbian, yet they have been living in what is now Croatia for 700 years. I am not saying that it is Serbian land, but what the Croatians did was not worse than what Serbs did. Do you think the media documents what Americans do when they stuff up in Iraq? If they did not muck up so much they would have won the war already.

 

As for the protests, put it this way; for 3 hours, they had a peaceful protest in front of Parliament with the leaders of governments giving the usual speeches, "Kosovo is Serbia", blah blah blah. About 1,000,000 people turned up tot he peaceful protest. Then, of those 1,000,000, 1% of them decide to run amock in the streets. I see it as venting their anger and frustraton, and I am not exactly sad that the US embassy was attacked and all, but we have to look to reality here; rioting does jack crap. When Americans wanted independance from Britain, did they run amock in the streets? No. They subtlely out-smarted the British and declared independance. And, by the way, the worst thing that happened was simply Serbs running around, lighting flares, pushing police cars, and throwing a lot of things at the US Embassy. The G7 riots in Australia were a lot worse than that.

[AndyGanteks]

 

P.S.-Violence will stop when Kosovo is back in Serbia.

If that is the case then you will never get it back. By becoming violent you are playing right into the hands of the people who took Kosovo away. Success comes from seperating yourself from them, by portraying yourselves as morally superior. Words and ideas are a lot more powerful than bombs and bullets. You want it back? Non violent political action. Trust me.

We won't get it back either way,some people just dont get it....

 

Here's one video of some people burning McDonalds.

 

 

 

 

What are we gonna eat?

Edited February 22, 2008 by AndySerb

[Bad~Boy#17]

What does language have to do with it? Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia and Montenegro speak the same language.

Serbia, Croatia and Bosnia and Montenegro speak 3 different languages.

No, dickhead. Linguistically, the differences between Serbian/Croatian/Bosnian are the differences between American English/British English and Australian English. Yet, since they are very nationalistic, they call it as if it is their own. I can walk into Croatia and still understand everything they say.

Very picky, aren't we ?

You can understand, but I don't think you will talk Serbian in Croatia.

[Typhus]

We won't get it back either way,some people just dont get it....

You certainly won't get Kosovo back with that defeatist attitude. Okay, if you don't think you'll get it back, why were you throwing stones? If you didn't think you were going to change things then why take part in these little protests? At least have some faith in your goal.

[AndyGanteks]

 

We won't get it back either way,some people just dont get it....

You certainly won't get Kosovo back with that defeatist attitude. Okay, if you don't think you'll get it back, why were you throwing stones? If you didn't think you were going to change things then why take part in these little protests? At least have some faith in your goal.

To show the goddamn rage,because nobody was listening to what Serbia were telling to everyone since 2001-2007.We begged and pleaded for Kosovo,to the US and EU,did all they want,we made new laws similar to those EU(european),which they said will bring Kosovo to us and a place in Eu until 2009,,and now they admit its inderpendance.They never cared about us.Milosevic was gone in 2001,we thought it will give us Kosovo permanently,that it will give us a peacfull life and all,but they laughed behind our backs,had their own plans while screwing with 10 million people(number of Serbs and dropping),and didnt care a new fresh good,nontyran leadership has come.And now its obvious the people feel played down and know they wont bring Kosovo back so they escalate rage on their property.

 

 

Unless of course war starts.

[Stefan.]

What does language have to do with it? Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia and Montenegro speak the same language.

Serbia, Croatia and Bosnia and Montenegro speak 3 different languages.

No, dickhead. Linguistically, the differences between Serbian/Croatian/Bosnian are the differences between American English/British English and Australian English. Yet, since they are very nationalistic, they call it as if it is their own. I can walk into Croatia and still understand everything they say.

Very picky, aren't we ?

You can understand, but I don't think you will talk Serbian in Croatia.

Actually, yes I have. No problems whatsoever.

 

And how would you know? You are a bloody Slovenian.

[nlitement]

Yeah, they're mutually intelligible, but are still called by different names (Croatian, Serbian, even Montenegrin).. the definition of language varies, but I think this one badass Jew put it quite well:

 

A shprakh iz a dialekt mit an armey un flot. (A language is a dialect with an army and navy.)

Edited February 22, 2008 by nlitement

[Adam Jensen]

We won't get it back either way,some people just dont get it....

You certainly won't get Kosovo back with that defeatist attitude. Okay, if you don't think you'll get it back, why were you throwing stones? If you didn't think you were going to change things then why take part in these little protests? At least have some faith in your goal.

half a million people vandalizing every American built structure isn't exactly a small protest

 

Anyway, I heard they broke into every American store and before they bunt it down they stole a lot of fancy clothes. So Serbia might lose Kosovo, but they will be dressed like kings

[Struff Bunstridge]

half a million people vandalizing every American built structure isn't exactly a small protest

 

Anyway, I heard they broke into every American store and before they bunt it down they stole a lot of fancy clothes. So Serbia might lose Kosovo, but they will be dressed like kings

No, they'll be dressed like Americans. BIG difference

[Adam Jensen]

 

half a million people vandalizing every American built structure isn't exactly a small protest

 

Anyway, I heard they broke into every American store and before they bunt it down they stole a lot of fancy clothes. So Serbia might lose Kosovo, but they will be dressed like kings

No, they'll be dressed like Americans. BIG difference

Thats a good point dude

[Typhus]

half a million people vandalizing every American built structure isn't exactly a small protest

Granted. But if they do not believe they will win through these actions then it is nothing more than an elaborate temper tantrum. You know, if they voted for the other guy maybe things could change. But from what I hear their current leader is off in Romania. What the hell is he doing there?

[BigGamer]

I'm afraid it won't work. You see, the Serbs killed a lot of Muslims did they not? And so Western politicians, with their favoritism towards Islam will naturally act against this nation. Hell, they act against Christians and Jews in their own country so why would they treat Serbia any differently? But smashing embassies? Not the way to go. Listen to me. Non-violent resistance. Bought the British Empire to its knees, bought about civil rights in America. Pus, it lets you lot keep the moral high ground.

MLK used non-violence to end institutionalized racism in the United States and Gandhi was trying to free his country from British colonialism. Please tell me how Serbia protesting to keep a province that

 

a) Doesn't want to be a part of Serbia

 

and

 

b) Has a 7% Serbian population

 

make any sense at all? That's not exactly a cause that people will be sympathetic towards. I'm not saying that Serbia has no right to be upset about this, but non-violent resistance would be as effective as trying to stop a tank with water guns.

 

Oh, and why all the anti-Islamic rhetoric, sir? What did we do to you?

 

 

What, so you do not believe that 49% of Bosnia-Herzegovina is actually a Serbian republc where the majority of people are Serbs? Why do you think the Bosnian War actually took place, because no Serbs were living there? Why do you not think we were fighting over Slovenia? When Slovenia gained independant, there was no point in fighting over it because hardly any Serbs lived there. Bosnia and Croatia were different; look at my mum's family, for example. My mum's family is Serbian, yet they have been living in what is now Croatia for 700 years. I am not saying that it is Serbian land, but what the Croatians did was not worse than what Serbs did. Do you think the media documents what Americans do when they stuff up in Iraq? If they did not muck up so much they would have won the war already.

I said "sure", meaning I agreed with you. Now that you brought it up, mind telling me where you got that 49% from?

[Typhus]

MLK used non-violence to end institutionalized racism in the United States and Gandhi was trying to free his country from British colonialism. Please tell me how Serbia protesting to keep a province that

 

a) Doesn't want to be a part of Serbia

 

and

 

b) Has a 7% Serbian population

 

make any sense at all? That's not exactly a cause that people will be sympathetic towards. I'm not saying that Serbia has no right to be upset about this, but non-violent resistance would be as effective as trying to stop a tank with water guns.

 

Oh, and why all the anti-Islamic rhetoric, sir? What did we do to you?

True, in the eyes of the world Serbia is in the wrong. But by exhibiting a peaceful front they can turn the situation around. Win the media, win the mind. And the press is a fickle beast. You get a charming leader, lots of nice sing-songs and sit-in protests and watch those journalists swoon. But at the moment this behaviour is winning them no friends. Understand that morality is adaptable. Right and wrong are tools. And through non violent action they can paint themselves as the victims. And with the anti-West bias of the media this will work.

 

And as for being Anti-Islamic? I am not. Or, at least, I try not to be. It's hard not to be bitter when the hatred and anger inside you is screaming out. Let me put it this way, I have no problems with Muslims because there are people out there I hate even more. Communists, the Catholic Church and Dawkinsites mainly. But "terrorist" and "Muslim" get mixed up easily. Who is at fault? The man who gets offended or the guy who forgot that he was always treading on eggshells?

[BigGamer]

 

True, in the eyes of the world Serbia is in the wrong. But by exhibiting a peaceful front they can turn the situation around. Win the media, win the mind. And the press is a fickle beast. You get a charming leader, lots of nice sing-songs and sit-in protests and watch those journalists swoon. But at the moment this behaviour is winning them no friends. Understand that morality is adaptable. Right and wrong are tools. And through non violent action they can paint themselves as the victims. And with the anti-West bias of the media this will work.

I never knew that they broadcast FOX News in Great Britain!

 

And no, the American media won't "swoon" over some protests in Serbia. Not after what they did to our embassy.

 

 

And as for being Anti-Islamic? I am not. Or, at least, I try not to be. It's hard not to be bitter when the hatred and anger inside you is screaming out. Let me put it this way, I have no problems with Muslims because there are people out there I hate even more. Communists, the Catholic Church and Dawkinsites mainly.

loldenial.

 

 

But "terrorist" and "Muslim" get mixed up easily. Who is at fault? The man who gets offended or the guy who forgot that he was always treading on eggshells?

The man who assumes that all of the people in my faith are terrorists or want to undermine or harm him in some way. The only reason you're "treading on eggshells" is because you're trying to hide your blatantly anti-Muslim beliefs.

 

And you're doing a horrible job of it, by the way.