Kosovo Declares Independence

[tommy vs. claude]

Kosovo might as well be part of Albania. Kosovo was always about Serbia and Albania.

[Adam Jensen]

The whole Balkan is falling apart.

Where is Tito

Tito is dead. Get over it.

 

But I do have his picture in my room WOOHOO

[Eddie280]

Kosovo might as well be part of Albania. Kosovo was always about Serbia and Albania.

And that is why there is this Argument, obviously

[tommy vs. claude]

Kosovo might as well be part of Albania. Kosovo was always about Serbia and Albania.

And that is why there is this Argument, obviously

That is what I was saying, but thanks for pointing it out for me.

[Vive La France]

Maybe we found where Niko Bellic is truly from...

[Shylock]

I refuse to acknowledge any country that contributed to the start of WW1.

 

Posers.

[HolyGrenadeFrenzy]

 

The Albanians that were killed were either by Serbian forces or Albanians themselves. The infamous Racak massacre, which started the nonsense, is known throughout eastern Europe (and Albania) to be perpetuated by Albanians. Just look at how they were killed, by slicing their throats. That is something that is against the Serbian military law, yet coincidentally is part of Albanian military techniques. Not only that, but in post-mortems some of those were Serbs who died and were dressed up as Albanians.

 

This statement at the end of my quote may be true yet you should knowt that it appears as something that may be difficult to substanciate and would make for a typical peice of propoganda. Now, when it comes to propoganda, I do believe I live in the propoganda capital of the world. Yet that little added bit looks like someone has put a spin on things just for you and your peoples sake.....if not then that old strategy is still a good one for political upheaval and mixing it up and demonstrates why it is such and efffective although an uncouth and vulgar strategy.

 

Killing your own people and blaming someone else is a rather common method of manipulating people among tyrants yet I am not claiming that this is actually the case here.

 

I like you Stefan, yet you need to learn that ALL politicains LIE by degree and medias usually lie, outrught or by the spin they go with, and this is even more so when a group or leader is in control of them yet is not limited to direct political control and becomes even more obfuscated when they seem more detached.

 

The most dangerous words in any language are conferred in the meanins of Them and US.

Edited February 19, 2008 by HolyGrenadeFrenzy

[Vive La France]

Hip hip hooray for Kosovo!

 

(I call being President)

[Stefan.]

I refuse to acknowledge any country that contributed to the start of WW1.

 

Posers.

What the hell? It was not us that started World War I, it was Serbs living in Bosnia that actually assasinated Franz Ferdinand, which led to Austria-Hungary declaring war on Serbia.

 

 

No, this is not a debate. This is a bunch of bitter teenage Serbs ranting about how America is trying to destroy their country and how cool they are because they vandalized U.S. property.

 

Coming from an Iranian person, that is quite ironic. Also, a part of our territory has just declared its independance from us, so we have every right to be bitter and frustrated about it.

 

 

This statement at the end of my quote may be true yet you should knowt that it appears as something that may be difficult to substanciate and would make for a typical peice of propoganda. Now, when it comes to propoganda, I do believe I live in the propoganda capital of the world.  Yet that little added bit looks like someone has put a spin on things just for you and your peoples sake.....if not then that old strategy is still a good one for political upheaval and mixing it up and demonstrates why it is such and efffective although an uncouth and vulgar strategy.

 

Killing your own people and blaming someone else is a rather common method of manipulating people among tyrants yet I am not claiming that this is actually the case here.

 

I like you Stefan, yet you need to learn that ALL politicains LIE by degree and medias usually lie, outrught or by the spin they go with, and this is even more so when a group or leader is in control of them yet is not limited to direct political control and becomes even more obfuscated when they seem more detached.

 

The most dangerous words in any language are conferred in the meanins of Them and US.

 

I understand propaganda, yes I do. My point is that although that may or may not be propaganda, who is to say that the things that Albanians said are not propaganda?

 

[HolyGrenadeFrenzy]

I understand propaganda, yes I do. My point is that although that may or may not be propaganda, who is to say that the things that Albanians said are not propaganda?

Realize that your very question is what propoganda has been created for....that is the evil side of the beast named propoganda. The sting of the beast is that people believe the lies without question........to start asking questions and requiring evidence closes the window of Naievety in us all.

 

Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear.

 

When you do find evidence even scrutinize that.

 

Welcome to the heart of the propoganda machine. It is the enemy of truth yet its uses are legendary.

[YourNeighborhoodKiller]

Hopefully soon Kosovo will be apart of Albania. Soon we can just form into one.

[The Don Son]

Sounds like a spark for WWIII.

[tommy vs. claude]

Hopefully soon Kosovo will be apart of Albania. Soon we can just form into one.

And be one big happy family? f*ck that, the debate is hilarious. Albania just wants it for their interests just as Serbia wanted it for their interests.

[Shylock]

What benefit does claiming ownership to a sh*t hole, war ridden province like Kosovo provide?

 

Free mass graves?

[bagga rabbit]

What benefit does claiming ownership to a sh*t hole, war ridden province like Kosovo provide?

 

Free mass graves?

A visit from Angelina Jolie and UNICEF.

[HolyGrenadeFrenzy]

 

What benefit does claiming ownership to a sh*t hole, war ridden province like Kosovo provide?

 

Free mass graves?

A visit from Angelina Jolie and UNICEF.

A look alike maybe.....Sounds expensive and I don't mean to be coy but I am just curious......Do they get the gang b&g rate for that?

Edited February 19, 2008 by HolyGrenadeFrenzy

[raresh_r]

if kosovo gets independence some small "wars" will start in europe.

1 will be my country with ukraine

2 russia with smaller countries

3 ... we will see

[TFatseas]

You know, I don't see why America has to come into play here, and I'm very pro American.

 

My point is Serbia has been trying to cozy up and integrate with the West. We just gave them a kick in the teeth.

 

Oh yeah, as for Russia, they kind of helped out big time when we went into Afghanistan.

[thehomedoggyshoogy]

wuts ksovo

[TFatseas]

wuts ksovo

GTFO if you have nothing to add towards the debate.

[Lioshenka]

if kosovo gets independence some small "wars" will start in europe.

1 will be my country with ukraine

2 russia with smaller countries

3 ... we will see

Exactly my point. Romania oficially is against separation BTW, yes?

 

My opinion is, that any region of a country that wants to separate must not be allowed to do so unless both sides agree fully. However, the said region can be given more rights and more independence if you like. Say, in Russia - Chechnya is a part of it, but they have its own government, and everything else. In UK - Wales has its own government. Still some people are going nuts about it and want to separate, but it wont benefit anyone. In Kosovo case what I would like to see if they were given the right for its own government atc as long as they support United Serbia.

 

Although the easierst way was IMHO just force albanian back into their land with a little help from China/Russia/Spain:)

 

I wonder, who will declare independence next, and it scares me.

[TFatseas]

 

I wonder, who will declare independence next, and it scares me.

Quebec. Serious, Canada isn't saying anything because of that.

[raresh_r]

some part of my country, they want to unite with ukraine but we won't let them.

and so WW3 will start because of the americans who want to help kosovo

[YourNeighborhoodKiller]

Hopefully soon Kosovo will be apart of Albania. Soon we can just form into one.

And be one big happy family? f*ck that, the debate is hilarious. Albania just wants it for their interests just as Serbia wanted it for their interests.

Albania and Kosovo speak the same language. It would make much more sense if they were together.

[BigGamer]

 

Hopefully soon Kosovo will be apart of Albania. Soon we can just form into one.

And be one big happy family? f*ck that, the debate is hilarious. Albania just wants it for their interests just as Serbia wanted it for their interests.

Albania and Kosovo speak the same language. It would make much more sense if they were together.

Iran, Afghanistan, and Tajikistan all speak the same language. All of the Arab states speak the same language. Germany and Austria speak the same language. The United States, Great Britain, Canada, South Africa, and Australia speak the same language.

 

I fail to see your point here.

[YourNeighborhoodKiller]

Hopefully soon Kosovo will be apart of Albania. Soon we can just form into one.

And be one big happy family? f*ck that, the debate is hilarious. Albania just wants it for their interests just as Serbia wanted it for their interests.

Albania and Kosovo speak the same language. It would make much more sense if they were together.

Iran, Afghanistan, and Tajikistan all speak the same language. All of the Arab states speak the same language. Germany and Austria speak the same language. The United States, Great Britain, Canada, South Africa, and Australia speak the same language.

 

I fail to see your point here.

Is this about those countries? No.

 

I don't see why you had to bring them up.

[BigGamer]

Hopefully soon Kosovo will be apart of Albania. Soon we can just form into one.

And be one big happy family? f*ck that, the debate is hilarious. Albania just wants it for their interests just as Serbia wanted it for their interests.

Albania and Kosovo speak the same language. It would make much more sense if they were together.

Iran, Afghanistan, and Tajikistan all speak the same language. All of the Arab states speak the same language. Germany and Austria speak the same language. The United States, Great Britain, Canada, South Africa, and Australia speak the same language.

 

I fail to see your point here.

Is this about those countries? No.

 

I don't see why you had to bring them up.

Because, by your reasoning, all of those countries have as much reason to "unify" as Albania and Kosovo.

[YourNeighborhoodKiller]

 

Because, by your reasoning, all of those countries have as much reason to "unify" as Albania and Kosovo.

 

All I'm saying is they're the only ones that speak the same language. So it would make much more sense if they bonded together rather than with Serbia.

 

I'm not trying to be an ass here, but don't Albanians and Serbians dislike each other?

 

Exactly.

[BigGamer]

Because, by your reasoning, all of those countries have as much reason to "unify" as Albania and Kosovo.

 

All I'm saying is they're the only ones that speak the same language. So it would make much more sense if they bonded together rather than with Serbia.

 

I'm not trying to be an ass here, but don't Albanians and Serbians dislike each other?

 

Exactly.

So even though you're wearing the new flag in your signature, what you really want is for Albania to gain another province at Serbia's expense. I thought this was about self-determination, not about petty power struggles between Balkan states.

[russificator]

 

Nobody gives a sh*t what Serbia thinks.

How about the majority of the UN Security Council members.

 

 

Diplomacy is a funky game where Russia lost today. Russia cannot back Serbia on this...

What does it mean - 'today'. No. Times are changing.

And Russia can back Serbia on this problem. Why not. But first of all it depends on the will of the Serbs.

As said the Russian foreign minister Lavrov - 'we don't want to be more Serbian than Serbs themselves'.

 

Remarque.

 

Recognition of Kosovo’s illegitimate independence may well trigger the domino effect

 

The Chairman of the Russian Parliament’s upper house Committee for International Affairs Mikhail Margelov says in a statement that recognition of Kosovo’s illegitimate independence despite the will of a majority of the UN Security Council members could trigger the so-called domino effect.

According to the Russian MP, the precedent, created in the Balkans, may well provoke a kind of a parade of sovereignties both in Europe and elsewhere.

The Chairman of the Russian Chamber of Trade and Commerce Yevgeny Primakov said in a comment on the situation in the Balkans, in a live TV appearance, that the United States and some of its European allies insist on Kosovo’s independence because, on the one hand, they seek to justify their 1999 bombing raids on Serbia, on the one hand, while on the other, they try to make the use of force without any UN Security Council involvement a matter of course.

Russia’s former Prime Minister feels the situation in Kosovo is sort of continuation of what efforts are being made in Iraq. The last Soviet Presidetn Mikhail Gorbachev warned that the self-proclamation of Kosovo’s independence is launching a process with consequences that are difficult to predict both for the Balkans and Europe at large.

 

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