Kosovo Declares Independence

[AndyGanteks]

 

The bitches are arrested,dont worry.

 

A huge sentence awaits them.

 

 

 

Bitches even gave an interview to the local TV before they were arrested.Good riddance police.

[Stefan.]

Stupid bitches; it was a political situation, and they took advantage of all of those protesting to loot and steal.

 

I hope they receive the full sentence.

[russificator]

But i believe that if some funds to build Kosovo would be raised UE and US will put enough pressure to make the independence happen. But it's a tacky question indeed.

Do you know who is Jean-Pierre Chevènement, n'est-ce pas. The ex-Chief of the French Ministry of Defence.

Remarque.

 

The former Defense Minister of France Jean-Pierre Chevenement said that the unilateral recognition of Kosovo’s sovereignty was scoffing at the international law and might entail the resumption of the Cold War.

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La reconnaissance du Kosovo, c'est une triple faute

 

The question is - 'why'.

The EU is creating its own headache for decades. And the winner izzzzz...

 

[Stefan.]

The West will see what will happen when they let Kosovo remain independant. As Putin says: "It will come back to knock them in the head, one day." Or, along those lines at least.

[Straznicy]

I really wouldn't value anything Putin - or any Russian politician in current infrastructure - has to say.

 

I will say this much though, I'm appalled how quickly the UK (well, it wasn't exactly democratic) recognised Kosovo, with no deliberation over the authenticity of the region as an independent state. It seems to me that the West is still simply looking for a way to bite the Serbs in the arse. Personally, I'm not willing to take definite sides on the argument, but from the information I know so far I'd say I'm inclined to support Serbia.

[TFatseas]

I really wouldn't value anything Putin - or any Russian politician in current infrastructure - has to say.

 

Yep it is just bluster, they can't take military action, everyone loses, embargoes? no they lose a large chunk of cash from Europe. Russia really can't do anything.

[Stefan.]

That's what biting us in the arse. Russia, despite being the strongest supproter, is not willing to actually put their troops here, so it'll just be a waste of time.

 

 

[AndyGanteks]

All the other Kosovo's in Europe :

 

[Straznicy]

England should be included on that map too.

[Stefan.]

All the other Kosovo's in Europe :

 

True, so true. Why doesn't the EU give independance to them?

 

It's double standard, really.

[Typhus]

United Ireland? You must be dreaming. And why we're at it, why not just hand His Holiness the rest of the British Isles?

[AndyGanteks]

United Ireland? You must be dreaming.

I didnt create this map,i found it and posted it.

 

 

[Stefan.]

@Typhus: For memory, you are Anglo-Irish, which is not exactly Irish. Do you know what the majority of Irish people want in both the Republic and the North? Unity, because they are the exact same people.

[Typhus]

Correct. Unity does seem like a good idea. But I have a bad feeling what it would lead to. There isn't always a dream answer, people may think that by giving everyone what they want they will be the good guy. But you and I both know that doesn't work. If that was the case then why has this Kosovo situation inspired such anger? Because by "liberating" one nation you are pissing off another. And you are potentially setting in motion a cycle of violence that cannot be stopped. I mean, if American soldiers were to leave Iraq the government there would fall and the country would fall into sectarian violence. And the tyrant we toppled would be replaced by another one.

The key is to keep things as they are, keep things the way they work. Because in our zeal to bring peace or justice we often create the exact opposite.

[Straznicy]

 

The key is to keep things as they are, keep things the way they work.

Right, because the sectarian divide that has kept Northern Ireland as a separate state for the past 80 years works flawlessly.

[Typhus]

There is peace now isn't there? It took a long time but it appears as though things have calmed down.

Now, the trick is waiting for things to calm down to the degree that a United Ireland could be formed with no bloodshed. Not an "expected" ammount, not a "average" ammount, but flawless transition. By throwing our weight around, when we want and how we want we only breed discontent and bitterness. Peace is like a nice pet dog, you have to nurture it in order to get the desired behaviour. Fail to do so and you get disobedience or, worse, treachery. The dog bites you, and the creature who you cared for and had only the best intentions for probably hates your guts.

Move slowly, keep your cards close to your chest, evaluate the possibilities and then move.

Unfortunately, sometimes perfection is impossible. Because human beings refuse to mutually respect one another. One group will resent the other for breaking free, and the liberated peoples will be bitter about all those years they were held under the thumb.

Look at the issue of slavery, years later and people still cannot let it go. It stands between black and white intergration. Because whilst you can manipulate events for your own purpose what you cannot control is the mind. And the capacity within the mind to hold onto a grudge.

[Stefan.]

There is peace now isn't there? It took a long time but it appears as though things have calmed down.

True, yet the independance of Kosovo could possibly spark something with Northern Ireland again. Maybe not straight away, but perhaps in the coming months/years.

[AndyGanteks]

Another big protest is due to be held on 17th march,when is it exactly 4 years from since Albanians killed a bunch of Serbs on Kosovo,and bunch of Serbs left for other parts of Serbia.

I hope that the mass doesnt go on a breaking spree,since i had a little easier life over the past 3 weeks when everything was calm,then at that time.If not, i'll just pick up a stone from the street and join 'dem...

 

Oh and that milestone topic by the starter of this one - sucks.

[Stefan.]

Another big protest is due to be held on 17th march,when is it exactly 4 years from since Albanians killed a bunch of Serbs on Kosovo,and bunch of Serbs left for other parts of Serbia.

I hope that the mass doesnt go on a breaking spree,since i had a little easier life over the past 3 weeks when everything was calm,then at that time.If not, i'll just pick up a stone from the street and join 'dem...

 

Oh and that milestone topic by the starter of this one - sucks.

Are you talking about Presevo Valley?

 

And also, if everyone is throwing stones/rioting, don't join in. Believe me when I say that the less people rioting, the better for Serbia in the eyes of the world.

[Struff Bunstridge]

Are you talking about Presevo Valley?

 

And also, if everyone is throwing stones/rioting, don't join in. Believe me when I say that the less people rioting, the better for Serbia in the eyes of the world.

I'd say a better reason to not join in would be that it'll help him avoid getting his face smashed in by terrified cops in inadequate riot gear.

[Stefan.]

Are you talking about Presevo Valley?

 

And also, if everyone is throwing stones/rioting, don't join in. Believe me when I say that the less people rioting, the better for Serbia in the eyes of the world.

I'd say a better reason to not join in would be that it'll help him avoid getting his face smashed in by terrified cops in inadequate riot gear.

Ah, touche. Forgot about that.

[AndyGanteks]

The 17.3 protest was peacefull with around 1000 people there.Not a single incident.pictures

 

That is good for Serbia,because that will at least give other parts of Serbia a little peace.

 

But,on Kosovo in North Mitrovica which is a Serbian part of the city,KFOR and Serbs clashed.From what the news reported,KFOR attacked the rioting Serbs,who then returned the stones back at tanks and soldiers

 

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Edited March 18, 2008 by AndySerb

[TFatseas]

The 17.3 protest was peacefull with around 1000 people there.Not a single incident.pictures

 

That is good for Serbia,because that will at least give other parts of Serbia a little peace.

 

But,on Kosovo in North Mitrovica which is a Serbian part of the city,KFOR and Serbs clashed.From what the news reported,KFOR attacked the rioting Serbs,who then returned the stones back at tanks and soldiers

 

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Sound to me KFOR was attacked from all that I have heard. Really since they took over the UN court building and that's a threat to the KFOR, UN presence in the region. They took action to disperse the crowds and keep UN property from being damaged.

[BlOoDStReAm101]

 

Another big protest is due to be held on 17th march,when is it exactly 4 years from since Albanians killed a bunch of Serbs on Kosovo,and bunch of Serbs left for other parts of Serbia.

I hope that the mass doesnt go on a breaking spree,since i had a little easier life over the past 3 weeks when everything was calm,then at that time.If not, i'll just pick up a stone from the street and join 'dem...

 

Oh and that milestone topic by the starter of this one - sucks.

Well well well...How was it yesterday? What did you serbians do? Which building did you guys burned down? Burger King? Also why should us Albanians have any remorse for what happened to you guys when we killed you? Let's be for real here. When it comes to land, you Serbians go crazy. It's like a game for you all. "I got Bosnia next!" "No, lets go for uh...Montenegro!"

 

"How about Kosovo? Yeah...Kosovo. The majority are Albanian, and us serbs hate em'. You know what? Let's...Let's just envade Kosovo, put innocent people in a line so they can bury their own graves. That way we can shoot them while they are in it. Oh sh*t never mind guys, that was what happened at Srebrenica." *Serbs laugh, raise thier three stubby fingers in the air and just chant srce serbije*

 

Why isn't there Yugoslavia any more? Go and think that over and think to your self who caused that. You guys did. You guys just never give up do you? Be happy that you still have a country to be proud for. You don't need any other republic for your collection.

[Typhus]

I don't think it's a game to them. They do seem genuine in their anger.

[AndyGanteks]

The 17.3 protest was peacefull with around 1000 people there.Not a single incident.pictures

 

That is good for Serbia,because that will at least give other parts of Serbia a little peace.

 

But,on Kosovo in North Mitrovica which is a Serbian part of the city,KFOR and Serbs clashed.From what the news reported,KFOR attacked the rioting Serbs,who then returned the stones back at tanks and soldiers

 

video

video2

video3

Sound to me KFOR was attacked from all that I have heard. Really since they took over the UN court building and that's a threat to the KFOR, UN presence in the region. They took action to disperse the crowds and keep UN property from being damaged.

They were defending,but Serbs werent damaging the property,they just took it over(violently) and they put a Serbian flag on it.Then rejecting to leave,KFOR decided to attack them to get the building back from occupation,and the incident was caused that way.

 

 

[TFatseas]

A Ukrainian UN officer was killed in Mitrovica, from shrapnel from a hand grenade.

 

BBC

 

UN and KFOR is going to be a lot more aggressive now with putting down violent protests since they have taken causalities. This may lead to future problems.

[Stefan.]

@Bloodstream: What? We're not all like that.

 

First of all, we don't give a crap about Montenegro. Secondly, half of Bosnia is populated entirely by Serbs, and in reality is part of Serbia. And three, the only reason that we apparently slaughtered you lot was because you did the same to us throughout the 20th century. And Srebenica was a stupid mistake that Ratko Mladic made only because he was feeling really angry at that time.

 

Oh, and don't compare Kosovo with what happened in Bosnia. While Yugoslavia existed, we helped you guys a lot; you wouldn't imagine it. Forcing to pay a tax? That's helpful.

 

But, if either Serbia or Kosovo is to move forward, we have to stop arguing, which is why, in reality, these protests are pointless. What the hell are they going to achieve? We had plenty of time to protest against NATO intervention or what, and now it's too late. Do we really think that the US is going to stand down from their position? No, of course not. Or the Eu? Nada. What Serbia needs to do is simply say "Look, in our hearts, we believe that is part of Serbia. But, we have to move on if we are to become a stable part of the international community."

 

AndySerb, if you're looking at me as someone who has betrayed Serbia, you are wrong. I have spent a total of 6 weeks of my life in Serbia, and I don't even speak the language fully, yet I'd die for Serbia long before I'd die for Australia. Yet, we can't let our patriotism go too far, otherwise we'll be in deeper turmoil than when Serbia was bombed.

 

I think NATO will start attacking Serbia again, no doubt about it. They'll wait, yet take their time, and they'll attack.

[AndyGanteks]

 

AndySerb, if you're looking at me as someone who has betrayed Serbia, you are wrong.

When did i say that ?

[BlOoDStReAm101]

@Bloodstream: What? We're not all like that.

 

First of all, we don't give a crap about Montenegro. Secondly, half of Bosnia is populated entirely by Serbs, and in reality is part of Serbia. And three, the only reason that we apparently slaughtered you lot was because you did the same to us throughout the 20th century. And Srebenica was a stupid mistake that Ratko Mladic made only because he was feeling really angry at that time.

 

Oh, and don't compare Kosovo with what happened in Bosnia. While Yugoslavia existed, we helped you guys a lot; you wouldn't imagine it. Forcing to pay a tax? That's helpful.

 

But, if either Serbia or Kosovo is to move forward, we have to stop arguing, which is why, in reality, these protests are pointless. What the hell are they going to achieve? We had plenty of time to protest against NATO intervention or what, and now it's too late. Do we really think that the US is going to stand down from their position? No, of course not. Or the Eu? Nada. What Serbia needs to do is simply say "Look, in our hearts, we believe that is part of Serbia. But, we have to move on if we are to become a stable part of the international community."

 

AndySerb, if you're looking at me as someone who has betrayed Serbia, you are wrong. I have spent a total of 6 weeks of my life in Serbia, and I don't even speak the language fully, yet I'd die for Serbia long before I'd die for Australia. Yet, we can't let our patriotism go too far, otherwise we'll be in deeper turmoil than when Serbia was bombed.

 

I think NATO will start attacking Serbia again, no doubt about it. They'll wait, yet take their time, and they'll attack.

Honestly, I don't believe Bosnia "in reality is Serbia". Back when Yugoslavia was around no one claimed anything. No one said Bosnia is Serbia or Croatia is Montenegro (example). They would just say we are Yugoslavian. That was what I liked honestly. And I know Yugoslavia won't ever reform, but those were the good times. Where everyone just didn't give a f*ck about which republic they came from.

 

Also, if you do say we slaughtered you guys in the 20th century then why did Serbia decide to slaughter us at the 21st century? We slaughtered you guys over a hundred years ago. Thats a long period of time.

 

I know you don't understand Serbian fully, but here it is anyway. Don't worry I'm not throwing foul language at you.

 

Ja bi volio ako Serbija i Kosovo da prestaje ovo govno. Zato sto ovo nista nece da pomogne ako se svadzamo zbog Serbije i Kosovo. Evo sad, je cu da prestajem.