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Dom0803

The topic of warez

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Struff Bunstridge
DVD's, CD's whatever, I just either rent or buy them, if I like it, I'll make a copy or rip it to PC, then take it back/refund.

So here we have a perfect example of a person who, if you believe the lobbyists, is sucking the music industry dry.

 

I think what you do is pretty reprehensible, but on the other hand, who can stop you? Computer companies have basically facilitated your behaviour, and they can sure as sh*t afford to compensate recording artists, whereas you'd be f*cked if a personal lawsuit was brought against you. Microsoft and Apple vs AOLTimeWarner, Universal et al - now that would be an interesting legal battle.

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Otter

I'm firmly in the camp that the music industry is responsible for their own bottom line. They've had a good century of demanding money to listen to recordings - now it's time to evolve or die.

 

We can't impede technology to placate corporate greed.

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Wonderbro

 

DVD's, CD's whatever, I just either rent or buy them, if I like it, I'll make a copy or rip it to PC, then take it back/refund.

Same here. tounge.gif

I just ain't that rich to buy everything...

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Dom0803
Therfore, it becomes theft.

Downloading warez is not theft, you cannot be charged under theft laws if you're being prosecuted for illegal downloads. Theft involves depriving the owner of the original object, warez involves sharing copies of said file(s).

 

One thing I have found odd is libraries. Anybody can walk into one, take out a few books and not have to pay a penny. The author does not gain anything from this process. Let's say that 100 people take out one book each by the same author, that author has then potentially lost 100 sales of said book because the customers didn't purchase the book, they just took a copy. What's the difference between that and somebody downloading a digital copy of said book? They are doing the same thing as the library's customers but in a digital format, and they are then open to prosecution?

 

I buy my films and games, however I do think that the laws on piracy are far from perfect.

Using your example the two are comparatively identical.

 

One person buys and a million utilise. (Rhymes huh?)

 

Likely the reason the library is permissible is because it's run by the government and when they do it, it's not breaking the law.

 

Then again some could claim that libraries are different as they are not a source of media but a source of information, albeit as equally entertaining given the nature of some books.

I might also add that my library lets out CDs too.

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Face McDougal

It's theft, sort of in a passive form. So many people torrent and I believe the great majority of those people wouldn't think to steal from like a store. It's just more anonymous feeling, so people do it.

 

I have a history of torrenting, a lot, and I've gotten in "trouble" for it... it's just one of those things. My way of rationalizing it was to say... I don't have money for all this stuff, especially the music, and at the same time I have an unquenchable thirst for new music all the time.

 

Another rationalization is this... who does it hurt? I'd say the music industry is by far the worst of the affected, but it doesn't neceserrily hurt the artist but moreso the record labels. Most artists make f*ckall off of record sales, it is a fact that they make their money touring. But what we see now is the death of record labels and bands start to release material themselves like Radiohead and Nine Inch Nails. Nails particularly was genius, he allowed and even encouraged free download of his Ghosts albums but at the same time pushed physical editions of the work in Deluxe and Ultra Deluxe packages that were very expensive and sold out, he banked over a million in no time.

 

Whether it is right or wrong, it is reality--and it will change entertainment forever for better or worse.

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nlitement
DVD's, CD's whatever, I just either rent or buy them, if I like it, I'll make a copy or rip it to PC, then take it back/refund.

So here we have a perfect example of a person who, if you believe the lobbyists, is sucking the music industry dry.

 

I think what you do is pretty reprehensible, but on the other hand, who can stop you? Computer companies have basically facilitated your behaviour, and they can sure as sh*t afford to compensate recording artists, whereas you'd be f*cked if a personal lawsuit was brought against you. Microsoft and Apple vs AOLTimeWarner, Universal et al - now that would be an interesting legal battle.

Why is it ok to rent a music CD for a REALLLLLLY long time?

 

Oh, except for the fact that it's actual stealing if stealing is depriving of something, because copying something never deprives anyone of their property. It's just circle-jerking with "oh sh*t we could have made money if this and this amount of people bought the album" not taking into account that 98% of the stuff that people warez off the Internet they would've not bought in the first place anyway.

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The Unvirginiser

A brand new DVD is hardly affordable, really. Same with a new album, why would I pay twelve quid to listen to fifteen songs when I can listen to them online and download them?

 

Does anybody have any examples of charges brought towards people downloading? I don't mean running a site or creating a peer to peer program, I mean an average Joe like us being arrested by the police for what we do daily.

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Pr0xy_fl00d3r
Does anybody have any examples of charges brought towards people downloading? I don't mean running a site or creating a peer to peer program, I mean an average Joe like us being arrested by the police for what we do daily.

A mate of mine got a letter of warning off his ISP for using Limewire, they said if they caught him using any form of illegal downloading site again they will inform the authorities. Just goes to show that the nosy bastards are watching you all the time.

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nerner
I used to use Limewire, before it got rubbish, and that kind of thing is what warned me off a little bit, don't they put trackers on certain files sometimes?

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DeeperRed

People who get caught downloading deserve the fine, there not doing it right.

 

I don't download music myself, I buy it mostly. Though I do download games. If I enjoy them I buy it, if I don't then I just uninstall it. They hardly make demos for PC's these days and I haven't got enogh money to go out on a whim and buy the game hoping it will be good.

 

Some software I do illegally pirate because I simply can't afford it confused.gif Ironic thing is, if I had never had the ability to pirate Photoshop I would of never bought it. I did buy it in the end because I started making money off it and then I went and bought the whole CS4 master Collection mercie_blink.gif

 

There is a big difference between piracy and theft though. If you steal the car the owner is not only out of a car but also out of the money that car would of made. If I download a film, the owner still has the film and doesn't lose any money because I wouldn't have gone to see it in the first place. Doesn't make it right at all but its not as bad as theft.

 

Just out of intrest without getting into too much detail what do you use for downloading.

me

 

Rapidshare

Megashares

Usenet

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Pr0xy_fl00d3r
I used to use Limewire, before it got rubbish

Yeah, when it first hit the scene I tried downloading King Kong but to my complete shock and disgust it was an inter racial gay porno.

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Wonderbro
I used to use Limewire, before it got rubbish

Yeah, when it first hit the scene I tried downloading King Kong but to my complete shock and disgust it was an inter racial gay porno.

lol, I downloaded The Pirates of the Carribean and it was some porn on the beach. biggrin.gif

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nerner
I used to use Limewire, before it got rubbish

Yeah, when it first hit the scene I tried downloading King Kong but to my complete shock and disgust it was an inter racial gay porno.

Yes, you had to be careful when downloading movies, as I was pretty sure that the original version of the pursuit of happiness didn't have penetration shots! biggrin.gif

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Enjoii

 

A mate of mine got a letter of warning off his ISP for using Limewire, they said if they caught him using any form of illegal downloading site again they will inform the authorities. Just goes to show that the nosy bastards are watching you all the time.

That won't be just because he was using Limewire, either he was destroying his bandwidth or he was caught by a fake file and information of him downloading was passed on to his ISP.

Limewire is a perfectly legal program, as is the BitTorrent protocol used for torrents, but it's what people use them for that's illegal.

 

 

There is a big difference between piracy and theft though. If you steal the car the owner is not only out of a car but also out of the money that car would of made. If I download a film, the owner still has the film and doesn't lose any money because I wouldn't have gone to see it in the first place. Doesn't make it right at all but its not as bad as theft.

Yeah, this is one of the major mis-understandings that comes out of this argument. Theft is completely different from copyright infringement/piracy, and involves depriving the owner of an object of the original object, whereas piracy is sharing a copy of a product.

 

 

Does anybody have any examples of charges brought towards people downloading? I don't mean running a site or creating a peer to peer program, I mean an average Joe like us being arrested by the police for what we do daily.

Can depend on a few things, volume of downloads, what they've downloaded etc, but I don't think that there have been any recent cases in the UK to compare to.

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BikerAndy
Does anybody have any examples of charges brought towards people downloading? I don't mean running a site or creating a peer to peer program, I mean an average Joe like us being arrested by the police for what we do daily.

Can depend on a few things, volume of downloads, what they've downloaded etc, but I don't think that there have been any recent cases in the UK to compare to.

I heard on the radio yesterday about a firm of lawyers that were sending out letters to people regarding copyrite breach in the UK. They'd got ip addresses, um can't remember how, but then got a court order so the isp provided personal information to enable them to send out invoices. They had a pundit on who thought it just amounted to speculative invoicing - eg send out enough letters and see who pays, but the lawyer said that if needed they would be able to take people to court on behalf of their clients. But then they would say that wouldn't they!

 

But it sounds like a small scale action depending on what had been dowloaded, and not simply targetting everyone who had been dowloading illegal stuff.

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eeEMIR

i just dont se why to pay 100 $ on some program when you can get it for free? confused.gif

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crashsilumator234

 

A mate of mine got a letter of warning off his ISP for using Limewire, they said if they caught him using any form of illegal downloading site again they will inform the authorities. Just goes to show that the nosy bastards are watching you all the time.

That won't be just because he was using Limewire, either he was destroying his bandwidth or he was caught by a fake file and information of him downloading was passed on to his ISP.

Limewire is a perfectly legal program, as is the BitTorrent protocol used for torrents, but it's what people use them for that's illegal.

 

 

There is a big difference between piracy and theft though. If you steal the car the owner is not only out of a car but also out of the money that car would of made. If I download a film, the owner still has the film and doesn't lose any money because I wouldn't have gone to see it in the first place. Doesn't make it right at all but its not as bad as theft.

Yeah, this is one of the major mis-understandings that comes out of this argument. Theft is completely different from copyright infringement/piracy, and involves depriving the owner of an object of the original object, whereas piracy is sharing a copy of a product.

 

 

Does anybody have any examples of charges brought towards people downloading? I don't mean running a site or creating a peer to peer program, I mean an average Joe like us being arrested by the police for what we do daily.

Can depend on a few things, volume of downloads, what they've downloaded etc, but I don't think that there have been any recent cases in the UK to compare to.

torrents sucks, they get really disgusting with slow connection

 

thats were a realized warez was a waste of time (NOT they rock lol.gif )

 

so i always go to my local Tampa Gamestop and get my used game

 

1 hour ago i went there to rent GTA SA for PC, only to convert the hooded drug dealer guy to GTA III (please wait for the mod on GTAGarage) since i already have GTA SA on PS2

 

squareXcircletriangle

 

Oh and beemp3 music download is considered warez? if it is, its too late sorry, but well they sound the same as the album one

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ChanandlerBong

What do we think of downloading software, like Microsoft Office?

icon14.gif or icon13.gif ?

 

 

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WhatsPoppin

Warez are gonna be around wherever digital media exists, as for music the mp3 will always be the victim of piracy, as for games try to make an hard to crack format(Has Blu-Ray been cracked?) PC ggaming is going doown because of piracy and with systems like PSP Go! with downloadable console games will be pirated

 

 

also warez can be be good or bad how you look at a situation: the Chinatown Wars ROM came out and every body on ROMulation was scrambling trying to get it and you bet i played it but on the bad side the whole anticipation is gone

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Superb
What do we think of downloading software, like Microsoft Office?

icon14.gif or icon13.gif ?

Get Open Office, a great alternative, and it's also free.

 

I believe it's compatible with Office files also.

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sellafield

I actually download music and movies, games too(small ammounts).

BTW, how did you get caught?What happened?

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Seachmall

 

BTW, how did you get caught?What happened?

When you're downloading stuff your IP address is available for everyone to see.

 

user posted image

 

(I'm brushing up on my German)

 

For new major releases it's not uncommon for the copyright holders (i.e. the music and film industries) to join the swarm and note IP addresses. If your ISP has a disclosure agreement or doesn't guarantee your privacy you might want to wait a few months before downloading that latest release.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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sellafield

I know about the IP.But someone here said that they got caught!What happened?

Did the police knock to your door? lol.gif

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CHOOKOKABRA
I know about the IP.But someone here said that they got caught!What happened?

Did the police knock to your door? lol.gif

Im not the one who was saying he was caught but I do have a freind who's family was finned $15,000 for his massive amount of illegal downloading. He was retarded enough not to stop the connection once the file/s were done downloading so was uploading everything he downloaded which was for the most part hundreds of thousands of songs. His parents are still paying to this day 5 years later.

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Mainland Marauder

I believe this is a debate for the legal and ethical questions surrounding warez and not a how-to guide. Let's not turn it into that.

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philster_12
BTW, how did you get caught?What happened?

When you're downloading stuff your IP address is available for everyone to see.

 

user posted image

 

(I'm brushing up on my German)

 

For new major releases it's not uncommon for the copyright holders (i.e. the music and film industries) to join the swarm and note IP addresses. If your ISP has a disclosure agreement or doesn't guarantee your privacy you might want to wait a few months before downloading that latest release.

i did'nt know that! i don't use Utorrent much, id like to buy instead. i only use it for rare(vintage 3d games)

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