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Fitting topic since Prime Minister Kevin Rudd is supposed to be delivering his formal apology to Indigenous Australians today (or already has).

 

In my opinion its a very touchy subject and there are many aspects to the issue, making it a tricky one. I believe it all depends on the wording of the apology as to whether I agree or not with it. One thing is for sure: I, myself, am not 'sorry' for what happened to the Stolen Generation (since "Sorry" implies my personal involvment and responsibility in the matter) since I was not even born until decades after it happened. However I also believe that its extremely bad what did happen to those who were taken, although there are many arguments for/against which I cannot be bothered going into.

 

What are your thoughts and opinions on this?

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asimov

It's been a along time coming. I know alot of people who say it's not up to the current government to apologize because they had nothing to do with it and that is just bullsh*t. These people suffered hugely and I don't care in the slightest if the government has to compensate all of them, they deserve everything they can get out of the government.

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streetfire

At least the Rudd government actually tried. Howard didn't bother.

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MindCorrupt

 

Kevin Rudd - Representitive of the people of Australia.

 

How many of us australians are responsible for what happened? None.

 

Sure, compensate the family, if that'd make them happy. But sh*t, dont apoligise on behalf of us when we have done nothing wrong. Kudos to John Howard for keeping his word and not saying it. It seems like Kevin is too weak to run this country.

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GTA3Freak-2001

 

At least the Rudd government actually tried. Howard didn't bother.

Rudd is only doing it because Howard wouldn't its that simple.

 

The thing with it is while I understand many of them were wrongly removed from their families with no valid reason, a lot of them were removed for their own safety and wellbeing and thus better off because of it. Can you blame the people and government at the time for doing it in that circumstance? Too bad it went too far in alot of cases.

 

I accept the idea of saying sorry only on the basis that its on behalf of the government and not of the people as I have done nothing to say say sorry for and that's what Rudd's apology seemed to imply.

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Mav.

 

Kevin Rudd - Representitive of the people of Australia.

 

How many of us australians are responsible for what happened? None.

 

Sure, compensate the family, if that'd make them happy. But sh*t, dont apoligise on behalf of us when we have done nothing wrong. Kudos to John Howard for keeping his word and not saying it. It seems like Kevin is too weak to run this country.

Completely agree.

 

This ladies and gentlemen is exactly why I did not want Rudd in office. He's trying to please everybody(note the word trying) and will do just about anything for their approval. Why would we want someone this soft running our nation?

 

I sure as hell am not 'sorry', as I had no personal involvement.

 

It is sad what happened, and I am against it, to a degree. In some circustances, it provided a better life.

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Stefan.

I agree with those against it. The practice that the British did against the Aborigines was quite wrong, but like many have said, who can actually prove that is was to wipe out the Aboriginal race? It pisses me off even more now. In English we are reading a novel about whites and Aborigines living near each other in the desert, and our teacher has managed to prove that what they did was to wipe out the Aboriginal race. Now, when I speak out my opinion, I am landed upon like a vulture, due to the fact that everyone believes what our English teacher said, even though they could not be bothered actually looking into the subject.

 

But that does not mean that I feel no sympathy for those that were affected. To all those victims, that was pretty harsh, what the British did to you. I am personally not sorry, expecially since the fact that most of you are too ungrateful to grasp the oppurtunity to a better life. Also, since I was not involved (duh).

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Hayden

My parents believe, like many others, that this day is monumental, however, I fail to see what this achieves at all. I would be far more impressed if the government actually helped the suffering indigenous people. An apology for something that you did not do is in my mind, illogical. I don't want to hear an apology, I want to see a prosperous people.

 

'Sorry Day' in itself is an idiotic name.

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MindCorrupt

 

'Sorry Day' in itself is an idiotic name.

 

It truly is a sorry day for australian history.

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Brutuz
I'm neither for it, or against it, if they need an apology, give them it, if they start to step out of line, etc, then we do it all over again.

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Mav.
I agree with those against it. The practice that the British did against the Aborigines was quite wrong, but like many have said, who can actually prove that is was to wipe out the Aboriginal race? It pisses me off even more now. In English we are reading a novel about whites and Aborigines living near each other in the desert, and our teacher has managed to prove that what they did was to wipe out the Aboriginal race. Now, when I speak out my opinion, I am landed upon like a vulture, due to the fact that everyone believes what our English teacher said, even though they could not be bothered actually looking into the subject.

 

But that does not mean that I feel no sympathy for those that were affected. To all those victims, that was pretty harsh, what the British did to you. I am personally not sorry, expecially since the fact that most of you are too ungrateful to grasp the oppurtunity to a better life. Also, since I was not involved (duh).

Um, it wasn't just the 'British'. This happened from 1869 right up until 1969. Well past our federation in 1901 smile.gif .

 

 

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Blind Joe Death

Yeah, Rudd kisses a bit too much ass in my opinion. Like GTA3Freak said, he only said sorry since John Howard didn't say sorry so Rudd jumped to the opportunity to try and stand out from Howard since Howard was getting quite a bit of bad publicity by the media because of it.

 

So yeah, I'm against it. Like don't get me wrong, it was pretty harsh what they did to the aboriginals how they took the children away for the family and even though some were taken to a better lifestyle I still think it's wrong since they shouldn't have the right to do that but I am certainly not sorry. Everybody who made those decisions are now dead so no way in hell should we be saying sorry.

 

And I wasn't listening to the speech since I was at school but I certainly hope Kevin Rudd didn't say sorry on behalf of the whole of white Australia (if you want to call it that) since not everybody is sorry.

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asimov

 

Kevin Rudd - Representative of the people of Australia.

 

 

He is also a representative of the Australian government, who is responsible, therefore it is fine for him to apologize.

 

Granted I don't know the specific circumstances requiring the forceful removal of babies from their parents. I'm looking it up now but doesn’t it have something to do with a white Australia policy? Along the lines of diluting the aboriginal population out of existence by assimilating their culture into ours? I'm having a bit of trouble since we didn't learn very much about important things like this in school. Instead we could learn about the American civil war, but that's a whole other topic.

 

 

And I wasn't listening to the speech since I was at school but I certainly hope Kevin Rudd didn't say sorry on behalf of the whole of white Australia (if you want to call it that) since not everybody is sorry.

 

 

On February 13, 2008, the federal government of Australia, led by Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, issued a formal apology to the Stolen Generations, a stance that around 70 percent of the Australian population supported.

Source

 

It looks like the good majority is sorry, 70% seems like a reasonable amount of the population to justify an apology.

 

 

 

if they start to step out of line, etc, then we do it all over again.

 

You're a monster cry.gif .

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Blind Joe Death
And I wasn't listening to the speech since I was at school but I certainly hope Kevin Rudd didn't say sorry on behalf of the whole of white Australia (if you want to call it that) since not everybody is sorry.

 

 

On February 13, 2008, the federal government of Australia, led by Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, issued a formal apology to the Stolen Generations, a stance that around 70 percent of the Australian population supported.

Source

 

It looks like the good majority is sorry, 70% seems like a reasonable amount of the population to justify an apology.

Yes well Kevin Rudd can say sorry on behalf of the 70% (no idea how they would get that statistic) of people who are sorry of something that they did not do but since I and apparently 30% of others aren't sorry then he shouldn't say sorry on behalf of the whole 100% of white Australians since he did not get my or our permission to do so.

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makeshyft

This was a political move, plain and simple. I managed to catch some of the proceedings the day before and there was one moment that spoke volumes about Kevin Rudd's lack of understanding towards the Aboriginal people.

 

A troupe peformed a traditional dance, and upon its conclusion Big Kev stepped up to the podium with a little, overly warm smirk and said: "Weren't they lovely?".

 

You condescending f*ck... They weren't there to do a little dance and entertain the crowd. They were telling a story; an epic tale like most indigenous dance and music. They didn't perform that dance to be lovely...

 

It would have been nice for someone to simply say, "Hey, I am really sorry for what past governments have imposed upon your people. The Australian people today are of a different mind for the most part, and we acknowledge that wrongs have been committed in the past. We're sorry that happened."

 

Just my opinion, of course.

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MindCorrupt

 

Kevin Rudd - Representative of the people of Australia.

 

 

He is also a representative of the Australian government, who is responsible, therefore it is fine for him to apologize.

 

 

 

But what part of the current government stole those children? I just think its weak. In my opinion; no one can accuse the previous government of having a poor stance on indiginous affairs with all the sh*t thats been going down in the north. If anything, instead of crying so loud for an apology from Kevin, they should take a deep look into atrocities been made by some of their own people.

 

Do I ask every slack c*nt in the centerlink line for an apology for having to pay for their free ride?

 

End rant lol.

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Eddie280

I hate all this apologising to people for things which happened centuaries ago bullsh*t. Like when britain was called to apologise for Slavery.

 

Its just such sh*t because first off all. The modern generation doesnt continue the practice or didnt do the deed which they are apologising for. And if they have stopped doing it then where is the problem. An 'Im sorry' from a head of state isnt going to re write history.

 

Also many of the countries or people we are supposed to be apologising to wouldnt be anywhere without the efforts of the British Empire. It was hard and it did often favour the British citizens but it still established the foundations of infastructure and law in many countries.

 

I just think the whole myth of native bashing has gone to far with so many groups demanding an apologie from people who are probably 200 years too young to have had any involvement.

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Otter

What's the big deal? Are y'all afraid that now "sorry" has been said, you all have to feel guilty?

 

Apology is not about guilt, it's not even about responsibility - it's about tossing baggage aside so everyone can carry on.

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asimov

 

Do I ask every slack c*nt in the centerlink line for an apology for having to pay for their free ride?

 

 

haha, that reminds me of a txt I got today from one of my mates.

 

 

Stolen Generation

 

Stolen bikes, stolen cars, stolen jewelry, stolen smokes, stolen thongs, stolen alcohol, stolen tax dollars. The only thing they haven't stolen is our jobs

 

So true, they are like a pack of hungry seagulls trying to bum smokes off me when I'm out and about.

 

 

 

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makeshyft
So true, they are like a pack of hungry seagulls trying to bum smokes off me when I'm out and about.

lol.gif

 

 

Got a ciggie, bro?

 

After further consideration, I'm still a bit grumpy about the whole sorry thing. Not because I don't think it should have happened, but rather because of the way it happened. To me it seems that it only occurred because Kevin Rudd is trying to differentiate himself from the Howard government. It's politics - plain and simple - and lacks sincerity or heart.

 

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Otter

So basically, you're saying that all aborigines are bums?

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makeshyft
So basically, you're saying that all aborigines are bums?

No, not at all. For instance, you have Ernie Dingo who is a TV personality and... you have...

 

Ernie Dingo, there's always him. Had a great knock in the Allan Border testimonial match back in '94.

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Otter

If I were aborigine, I think I'd want an apology for some of the posts in this thread. tounge.gif

 

 

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*Word*

I heard something about them not being able to get a "class action" suit or somesh*t. After getting an explanation from some other people, I think it basically means that each individual member of the Stolen Generation will have to go in, prove their records as a member of the Stolen Generation etc., so they can get their money/compensation individually. I prefer this idea to a bunch of abbo's sueing the courts, and giving compo to everyone who has plus-1/32th black in them (like I saw some on the news during "Sorry Day" - f*cking laughable). You know only a few of the organised, non-derelict Aboriginals will actually go ahead with this.

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asimov

I heard on the radio that even though the government has apologized it won't do much to help the aborigine’s court cases.

 

Besides not all of them were "stolen" unnecessarily, I've heard stories of young children being killed while being pack raped. f*cking disgusting.

 

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makeshyft

I suppose it really is one of those things you have to get to the root cause of. Saying sorry is not going to improve the infant mortality rate, the average life expectancy of Aboriginal people or their susceptability to various ailments. At the moment I feel there is a vicious cycle going on in which children are witnessing unacceptable behaviour and repeating such behaviour as adults.

 

If you asked nearly any Aboriginal male if he was beaten as a child (not smacked or disciplined, f*cking beaten) I could guarantee that the answer would be "yes". You could ask if his father was an alcoholic and you'd probably get the same answer. What we need to do is break that cycle.

 

Or, we could just say, "Whoops, our bad. Have a good one, fellas."

 

 

If I were aborigine, I think I'd want an apology for some of the posts in this thread. tounge.gif

I have to admit that gave me a chuckle. tounge2.gif

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