Construction yard = Ground Zero?

[bartje006]

The construction yard, where you have to kill some mobsters, is Ground Zero or what?

It's pretty big, so it could be.

Discuss.

[ryuclan]

They said there won't be references to 911 in the game. It's to sensitive a subject for most people. So if it is then we won't be told that directly.

[Hayze]

The construction yard, where you have to kill some mobsters, is Ground Zero or what?

It's pretty big, so it could be.

Discuss.

No, Rockstar said in a bunch of interviews, previews, etc. that they would not include anything related to Ground Zero. I'm pretty sure it has something to do with the fact that Liberty City never got attacked by Al Qaeda or had the World Trade Center as far as I know.

[nlitement]

 

They said there won't be references to 911 in the game. It's to sensitive a subject for most people. So if it is then we won't be told that directly.

How can you be so sensitive you get offended over 9/11 (which for f*ck's sake people is nearing 10 years already since it happened) yet play GTA?

 

EDIT: So I just got an idea for some DLC.. perhaps when the real life Freedom Tower is finished, we'll get "Liberty Tower" as a free DLC. Yay.

[ryuclan]

They said there won't be references to 911 in the game. It's to sensitive a subject for most people. So if it is then we won't be told that directly.

How can you be so sensitive you get offended over 9/11 (which for f*ck's sake people is nearing 10 years already since it happened) yet play GTA?

 

EDIT: So I just got an idea for some DLC.. perhaps when the real life Freedom Tower is finished, we'll get "Liberty Tower" as a free DLC. Yay.

I am not offended. When I said some people, I mean those over-patriotic assholes who take anything regarding 911 with a pinch of salt. I personally don't care if it's in. I understand that 911 was horrible and all that stuff, but I also know that I can't let one event in history change me outlook on things.

[fishermanGTA]

Enough with the freaking 911 topics.

They have said it won't be in the game, so it won't be in the game. That simple people.

 

It is a very sesitive topic, and I have said it before and I will say it again, and it has

no place in the satirical world of GTA.

[weirdal]

Yes, and every time you walk by it, Niko sheds a single tear.

[Jimmarn]

There was a pic i saw someplace here on the forum's that showed that it was a building there instead.

[Ruudeke]

why ground zero won't be in the game?

i shall explain why.

 

if something happens in the United States every country in the world

has to feel sorry for them.

 

But if the Yankee Cowboys atack other country's while the entire world said:

wait with the invasion there isn't enough proof that Iraq has nuclear weapons.

then it's no problem. the Yanks bomb everything down in baghdad, and say we are fighting a ''War On Terror'' or is it a war for oil? i don't know and i don't care. thats why ground zero won't be in the game or in any game. because American citizens have died there, may they rest in peace. but still, how many citizens have been killed in the middle east during the second Gulf War? is there any war game who got problems with that? No because no American Citizens were killed during this war. The United States can force many game Developers to stop making games, even in other country's in the world such as Europe. if there is something in it they don't like to see, then they going to threath.

but hey Yanks the most of you can only solve the problems with violence. no problem for me it's in your blood. But if you wan't it or not, you are a mix of diffrent European country's who have stolen this land from the Natives, you all have European blood. think about that.

you probably find me a raccist or something but i'm NOT remember this good!

it's just how most of the Europeans look at your country. during the years the United States created themselves a bad image here. But i, i still love the United States. specialy New York. so there is no need to be angry this is just my and many others view on the United States. Sorry if i made some of you angry but if you will ban me or send me a warning then the facts will show again...

[A.Bod]

 

They said there won't be references to 911 in the game. It's to sensitive a subject for most people. So if it is then we won't be told that directly.

How can you be so sensitive you get offended over 9/11 (which for f*ck's sake people is nearing 10 years already since it happened) yet play GTA?

 

so your saying people should just get on with their lives right. 9/11 is nearing 10 years, Pearl harbor is nearing 70 years and we still remember that day...one of my cousins works at the pentagon and his office was right where the plane struck-he was lucky to be in the parking lot leaving right at that time, but others werent and he went back in to save some of his employees-the PATRIOT that he is. it IS a sad and sensitive topic and thats why its not in so people got to just forget about it in this game

Edited February 12, 2008 by A.Bod

[FelipeVinhao]

No. It won't be. It's more than confirmed after you check the intro to official site - there's no crater there. I wish it was a reference to the construction site on Rockfort (< confirm location) tho.

[T.I.P.]

They said there won't be references to 911 in the game. It's to sensitive a subject for most people. So if it is then we won't be told that directly.

Yet the other islands won't be opened due to a terrorism threat?

[weirdal]

why ground zero won't be in the game?

i shall explain why.

 

if something happens in the United States every country in the world

has to feel sorry for them.

 

But if the Yankee Cowboys atack other country's while the entire world said:

wait with the invasion there isn't enough proof that Iraq has nuclear weapons.

then it's no problem. the Yanks bomb everything down in baghdad, and say we are fighting a ''War On Terror'' or is it a war for oil? i don't know and i don't care. thats why ground zero won't be in the game or in any game. because American citizens have died there, may they rest in peace. but still, how many citizens have been killed in the middle east during the second Gulf War? is there any war game who got problems with that? No because no American Citizens were killed during this war. The United States can force many game Developers to stop making games, even in other country's in the world such as Europe. if there is something in it they don't like to see, then they going to threath.

but hey Yanks the most of you can only solve the problems with violence. no problem for me it's in your blood. But if you wan't it or not, you are a mix of diffrent European country's who have stolen this land from the Natives, you all have European blood. think about that.

you probably find me a raccist or something but i'm NOT remember this good!

it's just how most of the Europeans look at your country. during the years the United States created themselves a bad image here. But i, i still love the United States. specialy New York. so there is no need to be angry this is just my and many others view on the United States. Sorry if i made some of you angry but if you will ban me or send me a warning then the facts will show again...

Haha, I was waiting for someone to start off on a long-winded rant against America or Bush.

[FelipeVinhao]

They said there won't be references to 911 in the game. It's to sensitive a subject for most people. So if it is then we won't be told that directly.

Yet the other islands won't be opened due to a terrorism threat?

A "terrorist threat" doesn't mean "terrorism happened / will happen". It was only a good excuse to "lock" the islands.

[Ruudeke]

 

why ground zero won't be in the game?

i shall explain why.

 

if something happens in the United States every country in the world

has to feel sorry for them.

 

But if the Yankee Cowboys atack other country's while the entire world said:

wait with the invasion there isn't enough proof that Iraq has nuclear weapons.

then it's no problem. the Yanks bomb everything down in baghdad, and say we are fighting a ''War On Terror'' or is it a war for oil? i don't know and i don't care. thats why ground zero won't be in the game or in any game. because American citizens have died there, may they rest in peace. but still, how many citizens have been killed in the middle east during the second Gulf War? is there any war game who got problems with that? No because no American Citizens were killed during this war. The United States can force many game Developers to stop making games, even in other country's in the world such as Europe. if there is something in it they don't like to see, then they going to threath.

but hey Yanks the most of you can only solve the problems with violence. no problem for me it's in your blood. But if you wan't it or not, you are a mix of diffrent European country's who have stolen this land from the Natives, you all have European blood. think about that.

you probably find me a raccist or something but i'm NOT remember this good!

it's just how most of the Europeans look at your country. during the years the United States created themselves a bad image here. But i, i still love the United States. specialy New York. so there is no need to be angry this is just my and many others view on the United States. Sorry if i made some of you angry but if you will ban me or send me a warning then the facts will show again...

Haha, I was waiting for someone to start off on a long-winded rant against America or Bush.

Like i said, i'm not against America, or your President.

[ThaBear]

They said there won't be references to 911 in the game. It's to sensitive a subject for most people. So if it is then we won't be told that directly.

How can you be so sensitive you get offended over 9/11 (which for f*ck's sake people is nearing 10 years already since it happened) yet play GTA?

 

so your saying people should just get on with their lives right. 9/11 is nearing 10 years, Pearl harbor is nearing 70 years and we still remember that day...one of my cousins works at the pentagon and his office was right where the plane struck-he was lucky to be in the parking lot leaving right at that time, but others werent and he went back in to save some of his employees-the PATRIOT that he is. it IS a sad and sensitive topic and thats why its not in so people got to just forget about it in this game

Then again, their are sh*tloads of games about WWII and Pearl Harbor. Loads of people got killed in there, or lost family or close friends in that war. Still there are so many games about it... then why can't something linkes with 9/11 be in any game? It's just the site that would/should be in the game, nothing more...

Also thought Rockstar wanted to recreate New York as Liberty City with many famous places in there. Ground Zero is atm one of the most famous places in New York tbh...

[Ruudeke]

They said there won't be references to 911 in the game. It's to sensitive a subject for most people. So if it is then we won't be told that directly.

How can you be so sensitive you get offended over 9/11 (which for f*ck's sake people is nearing 10 years already since it happened) yet play GTA?

 

so your saying people should just get on with their lives right. 9/11 is nearing 10 years, Pearl harbor is nearing 70 years and we still remember that day...one of my cousins works at the pentagon and his office was right where the plane struck-he was lucky to be in the parking lot leaving right at that time, but others werent and he went back in to save some of his employees-the PATRIOT that he is. it IS a sad and sensitive topic and thats why its not in so people got to just forget about it in this game

Then again, their are sh*tloads of games about WWII and Pearl Harbor. Loads of people got killed in there, or lost family or close friends in that war. Still there are so many games about it... then why can't something linkes with 9/11 be in any game? It's just the site that would/should be in the game, nothing more...

Also thought Rockstar wanted to recreate New York as Liberty City with many famous places in there. Ground Zero is atm one of the most famous places in New York tbh...

That's what i mean my neighbourlanded Friend!

[ThaBear]

 

why ground zero won't be in the game?

i shall explain why.

 

if something happens in the United States every country in the world

has to feel sorry for them.

 

But if the Yankee Cowboys atack other country's while the entire world said:

wait with the invasion there isn't enough proof that Iraq has nuclear weapons.

then it's no problem. the Yanks bomb everything down in baghdad, and say we are fighting a ''War On Terror'' or is it a war for oil? i don't know and i don't care. thats why ground zero won't be in the game or in any game. because American citizens have died there, may they rest in peace. but still, how many citizens have been killed in the middle east during the second Gulf War? is there any war game who got problems with that? No because no American Citizens were killed during this war. The United States can force many game Developers to stop making games, even in other country's in the world such as Europe. if there is something in it they don't like to see, then they going to threath.

but hey Yanks the most of you can only solve the problems with violence. no problem for me it's in your blood. But if you wan't it or not, you are a mix of diffrent European country's who have stolen this land from the Natives, you all have European blood. think about that.

you probably find me a raccist or something but i'm NOT remember this good!

it's just how most of the Europeans look at your country. during the years the United States created themselves a bad image here. But i, i still love the United States. specialy New York. so there is no need to be angry this is just my and many others view on the United States. Sorry if i made some of you angry but if you will ban me or send me a warning then the facts will show again...

Haha, I was waiting for someone to start off on a long-winded rant against America or Bush.

Well, he does have a point.

I still do not know why the USA invaded Iraq and why they have spent billions of dollars there. In my opinion they have enough problems in their own country which that money would have been useful for.

 

 

 

 

Edit: @Ruud: I'm Dutch

[FelipeVinhao]

Also thought Rockstar wanted to recreate New York as Liberty City with many famous places in there. Ground Zero is atm one of the most famous places in New York tbh...

There are other famous building that may be removed from GTA4 list. Why they would keep a crater?

[weirdal]

 

Like i said, i'm not against America, or your President.

You may not be, but that certainly was a rant against how America has handled the "war on terror". It doesn't offend me, but there's no disguising it.

 

 

Well, he does have a point.

Sure he does, but it's still completely irrelevant to the topic.

 

 

Then again, their are sh*tloads of games about WWII and Pearl Harbor. Loads of people got killed in there, or lost family or close friends in that war. Still there are so many games about it... then why can't something linkes with 9/11 be in any game? It's just the site that would/should be in the game, nothing more...

Also thought Rockstar wanted to recreate New York as Liberty City with many famous places in there. Ground Zero is atm one of the most famous places in New York tbh...

 

 

Because 9/11 was 7 years ago, whilst pearl harbor was more than 60. Also because there would no reason at all to put it in.

 

Or maybe they will, and they'll name it something like "ground sixty-nine", like they changed the name of the statue of liberty!

[Ruudeke]

why ground zero won't be in the game?

i shall explain why.

 

if something happens in the United States every country in the world

has to feel sorry for them.

 

But if the Yankee Cowboys atack other country's while the entire world said:

wait with the invasion there isn't enough proof that Iraq has nuclear weapons.

then it's no problem. the Yanks bomb everything down in baghdad, and say we are fighting a ''War On Terror'' or is it a war for oil? i don't know and i don't care. thats why ground zero won't be in the game or in any game. because American citizens have died there, may they rest in peace. but still, how many citizens have been killed in the middle east during the second Gulf War? is there any war game who got problems with that? No because no American Citizens were killed during this war. The United States can force many game Developers to stop making games, even in other country's in the world such as Europe. if there is something in it they don't like to see, then they going to threath.

but hey Yanks the most of you can only solve the problems with violence. no problem for me it's in your blood. But if you wan't it or not, you are a mix of diffrent European country's who have stolen this land from the Natives, you all have European blood. think about that.

you probably find me a raccist or something but i'm NOT remember this good!

it's just how most of the Europeans look at your country. during the years the United States created themselves a bad image here. But i, i still love the United States. specialy New York. so there is no need to be angry this is just my and many others view on the United States. Sorry if i made some of you angry but if you will ban me or send me a warning then the facts will show again...

Haha, I was waiting for someone to start off on a long-winded rant against America or Bush.

Well, he does have a point.

I still do not know why the USA invaded Iraq and why they have spent billions of dollars there. In my opinion they have enough problems in their own country which that money would have been useful for.

 

 

 

 

Edit: @Ruud: I'm Dutch

Why that Belgian flag then my friend?

[ThaBear]

The reason to put it in is because it's in Manhattan...

 

And yes, WWII is over 60 years ago, and 9/11 7... so what?

 

But I wouldn't mind if they leave it out because the place itself doesn't add anything to the game(play). But don't come with the reason that it's because of 9/11.

 

 

Edit: @Ruud: Because I'm studying (and living most of the time) here.

[Ruudeke]

The reason to put it in is because it's in Manhattan...

 

And yes, WWII is over 60 years ago, and 9/11 7... so what?

 

But I wouldn't mind if they leave it out because the place itself doesn't add anything to the game(play). But don't come with the reason that it's because of 9/11.

 

 

Edit: @Ruud: Because I'm studying (and living most of the time) here.

Yes indeed, 9/11 is always the excuse. getting sick of that!

[weirdal]

The reason to put it in is because it's in Manhattan...

 

And yes, WWII is over 60 years ago, and 9/11 7... so what?

 

But I wouldn't mind if they leave it out because the place itself doesn't add anything to the game(play). But don't come with the reason that it's because of 9/11.

 

 

Edit: @Ruud: Because I'm studying (and living most of the time) here.

9/11 is still fresh in people's minds. Hell, I was waiting anxiously for GTA3 to come out when it happened. It adds nothing to the gameplay. the only reason to put it in would be to add patriotic bullsh*t (which Rockstar would never do), or to make a controversial statement (which Rockstar would also never do).

 

They don't need the kind of attention they would receive by putting 9/11 references in. Also, gamers don't want to be reminded of 9/11 when they are running around killing people.

 

I don't know how anyone could seriously think they would ever put that in the game. It's just a horribly distasteful idea.

[FelipeVinhao]

The reason to put it in is because it's in Manhattan...

 

And yes, WWII is over 60 years ago, and 9/11 7... so what?

 

But I wouldn't mind if they leave it out because the place itself doesn't add anything to the game(play). But don't come with the reason that it's because of 9/11.

 

 

Edit: @Ruud: Because I'm studying (and living most of the time) here.

First, it's not Manhattan, it's Algonquin. It's BASED on Manhattan.

 

Then, considering the thousands of common (and even some famous) buildings that will be removed for gaming sake (imagine play in whole New York, clock running at 1 to 1), why they'd keep such a hole? I mean, jeez, a crater like that would fit the whole South Algonquin.

[A.Bod]

The reason to put it in is because it's in Manhattan...

 

And yes, WWII is over 60 years ago, and 9/11 7... so what?

 

But I wouldn't mind if they leave it out because the place itself doesn't add anything to the game(play). But don't come with the reason that it's because of 9/11.

 

 

Edit: @Ruud: Because I'm studying (and living most of the time) here.

9/11 is still fresh in people's minds. Hell, I was waiting anxiously for GTA3 to come out when it happened. It adds nothing to the gameplay. the only reason to put it in would be to add patriotic bullsh*t (which Rockstar would never do), or to make a controversial statement (which Rockstar would also never do).

 

They don't need the kind of attention they would receive by putting 9/11 references in. Also, gamers don't want to be reminded of 9/11 when they are running around killing people.

 

I don't know how anyone could seriously think they would ever put that in the game. It's just a horribly distasteful idea.

agreed (i am suprised that this is not locked[yet])

[Ruudeke]

The reason to put it in is because it's in Manhattan...

 

And yes, WWII is over 60 years ago, and 9/11 7... so what?

 

But I wouldn't mind if they leave it out because the place itself doesn't add anything to the game(play). But don't come with the reason that it's because of 9/11.

 

 

Edit: @Ruud: Because I'm studying (and living most of the time) here.

9/11 is still fresh in people's minds. Hell, I was waiting anxiously for GTA3 to come out when it happened. It adds nothing to the gameplay. the only reason to put it in would be to add patriotic bullsh*t (which Rockstar would never do), or to make a controversial statement (which Rockstar would also never do).

 

They don't need the kind of attention they would receive by putting 9/11 references in. Also, gamers don't want to be reminded of 9/11 when they are running around killing people.

 

I don't know how anyone could seriously think they would ever put that in the game. It's just a horribly distasteful idea.

Then it's horrible too, to play games who are set in the middle east, not fresh in many many many minds. it's the same thing

[CarpetDweller]

My response is to various different posts in this topic.

 

1. I think that the excuse for blocking off other areas early in the game using "terrorist threat" is a good one. They are using an aspect of modern life as a valid reason to hide a game mechanic behind. It also gives them an opportunity to take a satirical stance on how "non-americans" are treated in american society at the moment. "Terrorist Threat" doesn't have to directly relate to 9/11. I have personally been prevented from entering various parts of London at times in my life, not only due to the events a couple of years ago, but also due to IRA bombings (or suspected ones) and other random loonies.

 

2. Regarding the whole "Get on with your life" thing:

No-one should suggest that the events of 9/11 should be forgotten. Nor should Pearl Harbour or infact any event in history. We should learn from them and, if they directly involved a person we know, we have the right to feel deep emotions when reminded of them. On the other hand normal life must persist and sensistive subjects cannot be held back from comment or satire. It's getting the balance right that counts. If my mother died it's not like I will never mention her again. We can talk about the stupid things she did, discuss her objectively and subjectively without affecting my fond memories. The same goes for large public tragedies like 9/11.

 

3. Dan Houser stated in an article (I don't have the quote, but can find it if necessary. It's in one of the typed-up articles in the official section) that ground zero will not be in the game. There were a few reason for this but the main one being that a large open area is not much fun.

They can do much more comment on the current social climate of the US simply by using the in-game radio. They don't need to waste an area of the map to do it.

If there is a construction site, I'm sure there is nothing to stop the player pretending it is ground zero if they want, but nothing will state this in the game. The construction site we've seen will simply be "a construction site" unless given another more exact name/purpose in the missions or seen on billboards in the game.

[weirdal]

The reason to put it in is because it's in Manhattan...

 

And yes, WWII is over 60 years ago, and 9/11 7... so what?

 

But I wouldn't mind if they leave it out because the place itself doesn't add anything to the game(play). But don't come with the reason that it's because of 9/11.

 

 

Edit: @Ruud: Because I'm studying (and living most of the time) here.

9/11 is still fresh in people's minds. Hell, I was waiting anxiously for GTA3 to come out when it happened. It adds nothing to the gameplay. the only reason to put it in would be to add patriotic bullsh*t (which Rockstar would never do), or to make a controversial statement (which Rockstar would also never do).

 

They don't need the kind of attention they would receive by putting 9/11 references in. Also, gamers don't want to be reminded of 9/11 when they are running around killing people.

 

I don't know how anyone could seriously think they would ever put that in the game. It's just a horribly distasteful idea.

Then it's horrible too, to play games who are set in the middle east, not fresh in many many many minds. it's the same thing

War games are just that, war games. It makes sense to have current events references. (though I can't think of any. COD4 maybe but that's set in an unnamed country fighting an unnamed enemy, with no references to any current events).

 

GTA is not that kind of game.

[Malik]

They said there won't be references to 911 in the game. It's to sensitive a subject for most people. So if it is then we won't be told that directly.

How can you be so sensitive you get offended over 9/11 (which for f*ck's sake people is nearing 10 years already since it happened) yet play GTA?

 

EDIT: So I just got an idea for some DLC.. perhaps when the real life Freedom Tower is finished, we'll get "Liberty Tower" as a free DLC. Yay.

Youre so f*cking right, leave that sh*t behind u folks