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careinthecity

known sex offenders in nottinghamshire

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careinthecity

dear people in every city their is a growing number of sex offenders

should this be made public

in nottingham their is a range of sex offenders

should we name and shame them

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Straznicy

No.

 

People don't get named and shamed for other crimes, this one shouldn't be exempt.

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flicko

What's the point?

 

There are sex offenders in every county, and if they're on the sex offenders list, naming and shaming them on here will do f*ck all.

 

If that is what you were thinking of doing.

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Eddie280

However is there not an obligation by the authorities to warn residents with Children that a known sex offender lives near by? Surely the privacy of a known and dangerous criminal is less important than the safety and innocence of Children?

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nlitement
However is there not an obligation by the authorities to warn residents with Children that a known sex offender lives near by? Surely the privacy of a known and dangerous criminal is less important than the safety and innocence of Children?

In a free society, yes, and the police should be doing their jobs anyway keeping the guy locked up if he's even considered a threat in the first place.

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Straznicy

Why not warn the populace about any other criminal in their area then? That shoplifter will ransack your house the next time you pop out y'know. It's unjust, that person could easily have changed since they offended - not to mention the fact they have most likely served their punishment. Further harassment and stigma is intolerable in my opinion.

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SHXC

As this is debates, I may aswell throw in my two pence.

 

I believe sex offenders and paedophiles should be named. I know damn well that if I was raising a kid next to a paedo/sex offender, I'd want to know about it.

 

I see no reason why the names shouldnt be published.

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MindCorrupt

 

As this is debates, I may aswell throw in my two pence.

 

I believe sex offenders and paedophiles should be named. I know damn well that if I was raising a kid next to a paedo/sex offender, I'd want to know about it.

 

I see no reason why the names shouldnt be published.

 

What he said.

 

Look at this from the point of view of parents. Its something you'd want to be aware of, and make sure you take the appropriate measures to make sure your kids are kept from the freaks.

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Hayden
There is already a debate on the subject. I'll say what I've said before, and that is that everyone is entitled to privacy, even if they have committed a serious crime. If a person is expected to commit a repeated offense they should not be out in public anyway.

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Struff Bunstridge
If a person is expected to commit a repeated offense they should not be out in public anyway.

How do you quantify that statement? There's no way of knowing whether or not somebody will repeat offend. Probability studies in the case of paedophiles, rapists and murderers cannot be acceptable. The only way to guarantee that someone will not repeat offend is to remove the possibility of doing so, whether that means the death penalty or life imprisonment, and civil rights be damned.

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Shylock

The USA never had such a thing until a specific incident. Now we have Megans' Law, which forces sex offenders of any sort to register so the public can be aware of possible conflicts. There are also rules in place about child offenders living within so many blocks (or miles) of schools and day cares.

 

I'm all for it, I personally think offenders against minors should be executed...but having them registered does give parents the knowledge they are ENTITLED to when choosing neighbors etc. etc.

 

The only people here to complain about it are the actual offenders, even most civil rights groups won't touch this topic with a 10 foot pole because of the nature of the law.

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Ph3L1z14n0

 

However is there not an obligation by the authorities to warn residents with Children that a known sex offender lives near by? Surely the privacy of a known and dangerous criminal is less important than the safety and innocence of Children?

I don't know, it sounds to me like a policy to instill more fear in society confused.gif

 

Oh look honey, our neighbor is a sex offender!, right, now what the f*ck are you gonna do about it confused.gif ? tell your kids not to play with the sex offender's kids?

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Ph3L1z14n0
Why not warn the populace about any other criminal in their area then? That shoplifter will ransack your house the next time you pop out y'know. It's unjust, that person could easily have changed since they offended - not to mention the fact they have most likely served their punishment. Further harassment and stigma is intolerable in my opinion.

Sorry for double posting.

 

They wouldn't warn you about the shoplifter because unfortunately in the world were we live laws are designed according to specific social events, so instead of making a coherent and systematic law that could cover the offence from all angles, they design laws according to something bad that has happened, since shoplifting scandal is not much of an issue as sex scandal, then they don't warn you about it.

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Stefan.

You have to put it into perspective. How can you compare the severity of shoplifting to that of sex offence? In my opinion, sexual ofences should attain the same punishment as that of jail, with alterations depending on the age of the victim.

 

And to answer the question, yes their names should be released. What if your brother is a sex offender? Would you let your child play with his horny, child-loving uncle?

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Ph3L1z14n0
You have to put it into perspective. How can you compare the severity of shoplifting to that of sex offence? In my opinion, sexual ofences should attain the same punishment as that of jail, with alterations depending on the age of the victim.

 

And to answer the question, yes their names should be released. What if your brother is a sex offender? Would you let your child play with his horny, child-loving uncle?

What about homicide then? why can't they show how many murderers are in the area? or convicted drug dealers? anything!

 

And it doesn't make sense to punish someone according to the victim's age, that is exactly what i am talking about, if a 14 year old kid raped an 8 eight year old girl, then would he get 20 to life?, and the 35 year old man who raped a 23 year old girl goes to jail for 5 years? crime is relative, the law should abroad all circumstances and it shouldn't be based from isolated events.

 

Well, in regards to as if i would let my child play with a sex offender or not, indeed you are right about that, but nevertheless my point is that it is a ridiculous way for the government to fight this crime by telling the parents if there are sex offenders near them, seriously, what the hell would you do? oh, i wouldn't let my kid play with that guy! well, ever heard of kidnapping?

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Stefan.

 

What about homicide then? why can't they show how many murderers are in the area? or convicted drug dealers? anything!

 

I never said that they couldn't show the names of murderers and drug dealers.

 

 

And it doesn't make sense to punish someone according to the victim's age, that is exactly what i am talking about, if a 14 year old kid raped an 8 eight year old girl, then would he get 20 to life?, and the 35 year old man who raped a 23 year old girl goes to jail for 5 years? crime is relative, the law should abroad all circumstances and it shouldn't be based from isolated events.

 

I didn't mean it in that broad of a sense. I meant that if a 40-year-old man raped a 9-year-old girl, his sentence will be a few years longer than that if he raped a 23-year-old woman.

 

 

Well, in regards to as if i would let my child play with a sex offender or not, indeed you are right about that, but nevertheless my point is that it is a ridiculous way for the government to fight this crime by telling the parents if there are sex offenders near them, seriously, what the hell would you do? oh, i wouldn't let my kid play with that guy! well, ever heard of kidnapping?

 

I see your point there, yet you have to look at mine. If they didn't release the information, that gives just as much chance for him to kidnap the child. When the parents find out, they'll be angry, blah, and so on. If they did inform the parents beforehand, at least they will be more wary when it comes to being near that man, and looking after their child more. If need be, they might need to stay up all night in their child's room to make sure that he/she is safe.

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Ph3L1z14n0

 

I see your point there, yet you have to look at mine. If they didn't release the information, that gives just as much chance for him to kidnap the child. When the parents find out, they'll be angry, blah, and so on. If they did inform the parents beforehand, at least they will be more wary when it comes to being near that man, and looking after their child more. If need be, they might need to stay up all night in their child's room to make sure that he/she is safe.

The most important thing before posting in this topic is thinking, what if i had kids?

 

Perhaps any little help could do, in this case, the before hand advice, but still it doesn't convince me, if both the police and the government did their job, then this bullsh*t policy would not be necessary, but what the hell! the only harm i see is the privacy of the sex offender, but i wouldn't say he deserves a second chance if my son or daughter had been molested bored.gif

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Stefan.
Perhaps any little help could do, in this case, the before hand advice, but still it doesn't convince me, if both the police and the government did their job, then this bullsh*t policy would not be necessary, but what the hell! the only harm i see is the privacy of the sex offender, but i wouldn't say he deserves a second chance if my son or daughter had been molested bored.gif

Just because it isn't necessary doesn't mean that it eliminates no chances of risk. There are still risks there that your daughter/son (hypothetically) might come into contact with these molesters. Therefore, if you know, you will be more cautious with them.

 

And anyway, what would molesters do out in public anyway? They should be locked away and have their keys thrown away.

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Ph3L1z14n0

 

And anyway, what would molesters do out in public anyway? They should be locked away and have their keys thrown away.

We have to be consequent with our ways of thinking, if we believe that no one has the right to play god and deny anyone else the freedom everyone deserves, then that could in some way make us as bad as the molester, of course this is relative but i hope you get my point.

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Stefan.
And anyway, what would molesters do out in public anyway? They should be locked away and have their keys thrown away.

We have to be consequent with our ways of thinking, if we believe that no one has the right to play god and deny anyone else the freedom everyone deserves, then that could in some way make us as bad as the molester, of course this is relative but i hope you get my point.

I get your point, certainly. It is wrong and unjust to punish someone overtly for something they did not do, or over-punish someone. But in my view, people like these child rapists should not be allowed in public, because that is where they are most dangerous.

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Typhus

Do you think though, that if a man is sincerely sorry for what he has done he should be allowed the chance for a normal life?

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Hodgey.
Do you think though, that if a man is sincerely sorry for what he has done he should be allowed the chance for a normal life?

No cos no one should commit a offence in the first place.

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Stefan.
Do you think though, that if a man is sincerely sorry for what he has done he should be allowed the chance for a normal life?

Depends. The human mind is a wonderful and complex thing; you don't know whether he is saying that to get out of there, or actually is meaningfully sorry. Most of the time, I would say no, because you just cannot take risks when it comes to people like this.

 

 

No cos no one should commit a offence in the first place.

 

As true as this is, forgiveness is one of the messages of the Bible. You are wrong, yet right at the same time. You are wrong, because it is naturally possible that some of these things happen by accident, and the perpetrator in a way deserves forgiveness. However, you are in right because you just don't know when someone has been punished sufficiently enough to stop them from doing it.

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Andrew

90% of the time the offending person has been abused as a child, to this person it seems right to do what they did. When in reality it isn't. I do agree with the sex offenders register, I do fully agree that parents should know. But if you name and shame every single offender, and list everything to the public you will get vigilante attacks, now vigilante attacks I fully disagree with, it doesn't solve anything and just creates more problems.

 

Whilst I deeply condem what these people do, they are entitled to the right to life just as we are. They are entitled to the same human rights and civil rights just as we are. These people might of been abused as kids and as such that has an effect on them.

 

And to be honest I'd rather not know what mr bloggs up the road from me did, or has done. I'd rather not know any murky past about him. I live in the county of West Yorkshire, we have a very very large population of sex offenders. I would prefer not to know about any of them. Within 1 - 2 miles of my house is Wakefield Prison aka Monster Mansion because of the inmates it houses. I would rather not to know exactly which inmates it houses, which are some extremely violent / nasty inmates in Wakefield. Even the sex offenders in Wakefield are frowned upon by the other inmates.

 

All in all the list is a good idea, however naming and shaming them is not. It does not solve any problems, but creates more.

 

As I've said everyone deserves the right to life, everyone deserves the right to be treated the same as everyone else regardless of what they have done, look like or act. Just because they have commited just a hideous crime does not mean that their civil / human rights should be taken away. These people probably had their human rights abused many years ago as children. For some it is all they know, they do not know its wrong it is what they have grown up with.

 

I am not sticking up for them, I condem the crimes that they do, but you have to remember they might of suffered the same as a child.

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Ph3L1z14n0
Do you think though, that if a man is sincerely sorry for what he has done he should be allowed the chance for a normal life?

No cos no one should commit a offence in the first place.

at least i believe that people should be able to make amends for their mistakes confused.gif

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Typhus

I just feel sorry for these people though. To do such things to children must make you a very lonely person, many child abusers faced abuse themselves. I just find it odd, we offer absued kids our sympathies but then there are those who slip through the net. Abused kids who never fully grow into adults and suddenly societies pity dries up. As though these man made monsters are only deserving of compassion if we catch them young.

You know what? Sometimes saving them is not the right thing to do, after being so badly hurt in their lives it would almost be better for them if they died rather than live with the shame of being hurt and made weak.

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Stefan.
I just feel sorry for these people though. To do such things to children must make you a very lonely person, many child abusers faced abuse themselves. I just find it odd, we offer absued kids our sympathies but then there are those who slip through the net. Abused kids who never fully grow into adults and suddenly societies pity dries up. As though these man made monsters are only deserving of compassion if we catch them young.

You know what? Sometimes saving them is not the right thing to do, after being so badly hurt in their lives it would almost be better for them if they died rather than live with the shame of being hurt and made weak.

So what you're saying is that if a child is sexually abused, then we should kill him/her, because the chances of him/her commiting a sexual atrocity are greater?

 

I see what you mean there, fair enough, but not every single sexual offender has listed down 'past experience' as a motive. In a lot of cases, it is the exact opposite. What if a child who has been sexually abused decides to use it for the good, like making people more aware of how much this happens? Or, letting people know who commits these crimes?

 

@Gangsta Killer: Fair enough, I think it's a bit much knowing every detail about a criminal living down the street, yet just knowing the fact that they 'sexually abused someone' should be enough. They wouldn't need to shame them, because naming is enough.

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Typhus

But how can anyone be expected to live with the shame of it? Worse still, what if the child has no family to go to? It's just such a sh*tty situation that there's no right way to settle it. If it was you or I in that situation would we want to remain alive afterwards?

Some pain just doesn't go away.

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Stefan.

Yet, people are different. You can't account this for everyone who has been victimised by this. Fine, it might boil up inside, but it is possible that it might not affect them mentally. If I was sexually abused, I wouldn't exactly feel happy, but I'd feel the same as if I was shot. I wouldn't want it to happen, and as long as those that did were found and tried, then I guess that's a fair compromise, in a way.

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voteneg

Let me tell you a sex offender story.

 

One day I was hanging out at home when some dude came to my door, he was there to inform me that he was a sex offender and the he was living a half a block down etc etc.

 

Initially I was kinda put off and just let the guy continue on his tour of shame.

 

Later that year after I got to know him and had made the assessment that he was a fairly normal guy (married, homeowner, pregnant wife, a dog, and two cars etc etc) I had a conversation with him. Turns out the reason he was a sex offender was because of statutory rape... he was 19 and his girlfriend at the time was 17. Her parents were highly religious fundies and found out so they made sure that he was punished to the fullest extent. I was disinclined to believe him at first but his preggo wife confirmed the whole thing, apparently she was the girlfriend in question. She had since disowned her parents for the whole ordeal and literally waited for him to get out of serving his 5 year prison sentence because he had consensual sex with her.

 

So my point is that these people aren't all baby raping creeps... I'm sure there are many instances similar to my story... where it really wasn't that big of deal, but the law for better or worse does not discriminate... and this honest guy got caught up in it. These individuals regardless of their crime deserve privacy just like any other past criminal... I believe that once they have served their debt to society they are once again entitled to all the rights a free man has.

 

I think that if the justice system determines they are fit to go free than they should be truly fit to go free... society shouldn't be charged with ensuring these guys don't commit crimes again by making the individual in question inform the society of his/her past crimes.

 

The law as it is doesn't currently take into account the varying degree of severity the crime was... and therefore doesnt accurately portray some individuals charged as a sex offender (given its negative stigma.) And neither can we specify the exact nature of the crimes because that would single out men who have perhaps comited far more heinous crimes than my story... and thus vulnerable to backlash even after they've been reformed or paid their debt.

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