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Typhus

Euthanasia

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Typhus

What do you lot make of Euthanasia? For or against it?

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Girish

I'm all for it. A person has as much right to die as to live.

 

A person lying on his deathbed suffering from terminal illness is bound to die one day or the other. If he doesn't want to live further with pain, please grant him death. It's totally unfair that his/her relatives want him/her to live a few more days just for the heck of it. Please put him/her out of his/her misery.

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Quadropheniac90

If people want to die, let them. Unless it's just a depression, those could be solved.

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Canofceleri

I'm for it. In a case like Terry Schiavo it would have been much more humane to just put her out rather than starving and dehydrating her to death.

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Forty

I think humanity is far too concerned with keeping everyone alive as long as possible. We don't need this ridiculous concern for the sanctity of life as we are already quite overpopulated around the world and our numbers continue to grow exponentially. If someone wants to die, let them. Who cares? All morbidity aside, there is no justifiable argument to keep someone alive who no longer wishes to be. It's sad and unfortunate, but not every life needs to be saved.

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Canofceleri
I think humanity is far too concerned with keeping everyone alive as long as possible. We don't need this ridiculous concern for the sanctity of life as we are already quite overpopulated around the world and our numbers continue to grow exponentially. If someone wants to die, let them. Who cares? All morbidity aside, there is no justifiable argument to keep someone alive who no longer wishes to be. It's sad and unfortunate, but not every life needs to be saved.

Exactly. There's such a stigma on suicide, which I don't understand. If a person decides for themselves that they no longer want to live, why is that such a big deal? I am not against doing that, to me it's a type of self-euthanasia. If there were no good times what would be the point?

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Girish
I think humanity is far too concerned with keeping everyone alive as long as possible. We don't need this ridiculous concern for the sanctity of life as we are already quite overpopulated around the world and our numbers continue to grow exponentially. If someone wants to die, let them. Who cares? All morbidity aside, there is no justifiable argument to keep someone alive who no longer wishes to be. It's sad and unfortunate, but not every life needs to be saved.

Exactly. There's such a stigma on suicide, which I don't understand. If a person decides for themselves that they no longer want to live, why is that such a big deal? I am not against doing that, to me it's a type of self-euthanasia. If there were no good times what would be the point?

I have to slightly disagree here. Suicides (mostly due to depression rather than illness) are classified as plain stupidity. In such cases, no matter what, a person needs to be told the importance of having a life and living it, the consequences of his/her action and the lives he/she will affect by taking this extreme step.

Put together, suicide out of depression is icon13.gif

 

However, suicide due to terminal illness having no cure at all wouldn't be stupid. Now that depends on the person whether or not he/she wants to live whatever days he/she has been left with.

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Canofceleri

I don't see it that way, I guess we can agree to disagree. I don't see suicide to be stupid. While I do agree that many people don't think it out enough or understand fully the implications and permanence of such a decision I think it is still a choice that has to be made for a lot of people, and it is their's to make. Afterall, how could one truly appreciate a complete loss of themselves and their consciousness? They can't truly, it's their only frame of reference.

 

Whether living out one's life is important is up to that person to decide, people differ on their views. Myself, I think we all rationalize living whether it be through religion or other philosophies... but it's still rationalization and it is called cognitive dissonance... it is easier to change attitudes than behavior, so we adjust accordingly. The smoker perhaps says, "Smoking isn't that bad, I'm going to die anyway"-- the attitude is changed because that's easier, if we didn't adjust the attitude or philosophy it would be a paradox and the nature of how our brains work work against such things. I know there isn't an objective point to life, just that my biological mechanisms drive me to prosper and reproduce-- so subconsciously I have to come up with something like "Well, I'm here-- so I might as well enjoy the ride and see what happens". Some people though are balanced out differently... Freud would say they have more Thatanos than Eros, or they have in imbalance which makes their desire to die and not exist stronger than the will to live.

 

I believe him, I think we have a little Thatanos and a little Eros, but mostly for the average person it balances out right so that we do manage to pick up whatever pieces we have to and move along and live until we naturally expire. Sometimes I get negative and want to shake away my rationalizations and just not deal with existence, I want to die. But during those times I don't kill myself because that's not all there is... and also I know that I would have better times most likely and it's just easier to not make a decision of such consequence. I don't think people are stupid for doing it though... I try to understand that no person would ever commit to such a thing unless they felt much more strongly the urge to not live than I ever have before-- and that that must be a really overwhelming feeling.

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Straznicy

Allowed but discouraged.

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spitfire3000

i've got no problem with the youth in asia. they aint done nothing to me. tounge.gif hehe just kidding anyway....yeh, i think that suicide is just plain wrong (get councling or somthing god!) but on the otherhand, its not humane to let someone die a horribly painfull death

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Typhus

Personally I think that suicide is the cowards way out. Only cowards quit in the middle of a fight, only cowards let the world see them bleed. They deserve no sympathy and they have no dignity in life or in death. But euthanasia? Ah, different kettle of fish. It's the same as abortion. Murder. Plain murder. And there isn't a damn thing wrong with it. We are just controlling the population, removing the undesirables, setting them free. Tell yourself what you want. In the end the reasons don't matter. This is just another incarnation of our most natural instinct: To kill one another. And these systems allows us to indulge our tastes in a mature, controlled setting. So no, there is no problem at all with euthanasia. Perhaps it is even merciful in some cases to snuff out a candle that is close to burning out.

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Canofceleri
Personally I think that suicide is the cowards way out. Only cowards quit in the middle of a fight, only cowards let the world see them bleed. They deserve no sympathy and they have no dignity in life or in death.

Personally I think that is an extremely ignorant and narrow minded point of view. How is that the coward's way out? A person doesn't decide whether they want to be in the world or not, they are thrown into it... if they get older and decide life is not something they want to experience then how does that make them a coward? You've never felt that way though, never seen from that perspective, you probably want to live as long as possible like most people... so then it's much easier for you to just say, "Bah" and regurgitate bullsh*t you've heard like "coward's way out and blah blah blah" from other ignorant people.

 

You gotta think, Typhus. Don't be narrow minded, analyze a given subject from every possible angle and perspective that you can think up and then you will find yourself much less likely to be dismissive of people and think so little of them. To call all people who kill themselves cowards is the dumbest goddamn sh*t I've heard all day. Way to pigeonhole everyone.

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Typhus

No. I don't want to live. Why would I want that? Personally being around you people is more than I can bear. Sacks of flesh and bones who can't see the absurdity of your meaningless, decadent little lives. The meaning of life is to accept death. People take a lifetime to cotton on to the fact that they will cease to exist in this world. And before they know it they are old, weak and surrounded by teary eyed well wishers. But I tell you, there is more dignity in that end. Quitting is for cowards. Bailing out is for cowards. You get in a fight and you see it through to the end, why? To prove your strength of course. Are you really going to allow the vast cesspit of society to bring you down to their level? Living in their cages, eating and breeding and growing fat? You can either conform, rebel or simply give up. Two of these options are for men with no pride. It is not life that is worth clinging on to but rather strength. The ability to absorb the cruelties of the world and laugh.

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derty
No. I don't want to live. Why would I want that? Personally being around you people is more than I can bear. Sacks of flesh and bones who can't see the absurdity of your meaningless, decadent little lives. The meaning of life is to accept death. People take a lifetime to cotton on to the fact that they will cease to exist in this world. And before they know it they are old, weak and surrounded by teary eyed well wishers. But I tell you, there is more dignity in that end. Quitting is for cowards. Bailing out is for cowards. You get in a fight and you see it through to the end, why? To prove your strength of course. Are you really going to allow the vast cesspit of society to bring you down to their level? Living in their cages, eating and breeding and growing fat? You can either conform, rebel or simply give up. Two of these options are for men with no pride. It is not life that is worth clinging on to but rather strength. The ability to absorb the cruelties of the world and laugh.

Thank you Typhus, though I think it was a bit crude (and crudeness seems intentional, which is cool imo),

but it really brightened my day and changed my mind about blowing my brains out.

 

But assisted suicide is Ok I think. I'm all for suicide booths, even if I feel a little closer to why I continue to

live given your wake up call/reminder.

 

Thanks again, it's been a Really rough 2 years.

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Canofceleri
No. I don't want to live. Why would I want that? Personally being around you people is more than I can bear. Sacks of flesh and bones who can't see the absurdity of your meaningless, decadent little lives. The meaning of life is to accept death. People take a lifetime to cotton on to the fact that they will cease to exist in this world. And before they know it they are old, weak and surrounded by teary eyed well wishers. But I tell you, there is more dignity in that end. Quitting is for cowards. Bailing out is for cowards. You get in a fight and you see it through to the end, why? To prove your strength of course. Are you really going to allow the vast cesspit of society to bring you down to their level? Living in their cages, eating and breeding and growing fat? You can either conform, rebel or simply give up. Two of these options are for men with no pride. It is not life that is worth clinging on to but rather strength. The ability to absorb the cruelties of the world and laugh.

oooookay. Maybe you stay in a fight to prove something, that's cool... for me life is a bit more than whipping out dicks and comparing sizes though. But okay... you have dignity. And stuff. rolleyes.gif

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Typhus

Okay then. What is life worth? To you? Why do you go on living? And please tell me that it is for a deeper reason than the purposes of breeding.

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Girish

 

for me life is a bit more than whipping out dicks and comparing sizes though.

Wait...do you mean that the extent of one's life depends on his dick size multiplied by 10? Sh*t, I'm going to live till only 60. sad.gif

 

Let me once again bring this discussion to the same point. Euthanasia doesn't mean putting an end to life simply coz you've no options left. If it was so, suicide and euthanasia would mean the same.

For me (well, atleast for me), euthanasia should prevail only due to inability of a person to continue living his life in a physically normal way. In other words, when one's body decides to stop responding in the manner he desires and when there is absolutely no hope left.

 

Suicide, on the other hand, is generally a hasty step taken by individuals to get rid of problems they face in life which generally do have a solution; but people are too lazy to look out for them. Many a times, they fear rejection, embarassment or harassment. Should all these fears end in suicide? No, Sir.

 

I too have faced many problems in my life so far. I found solutions to some of them and some of them yet remain unanswered. But, never once did I contemplate suicide. So, what's the difference? The difference lies in your integrity and determination to survive the odds. Which odds? Odds that can be overcome if you decide to - the ones that are within your physical limits. When these odds cross the barrier of physical limits, it's time to say goodbye to life.

 

As said, there's a limit to everything. There's a limit to your life. Why not live it as much as you can? Let limit exhaust itself. You don't decide this limit. Let life itself decide it for you.

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Canofceleri
Okay then. What is life worth? To you? Why do you go on living? And please tell me that it is for a deeper reason than the purposes of breeding.

I'll reiterate exactly what I said a few posts back.

 

I am an atheist, I have no other worldly or supernatural beliefs. To me, it is quite obvious that humans are animals in the way that birds and alligators and monkeys and hippos are animals. Are our brains a cut above the rest? Yes, but that's what we're built for... there are varying degrees of brain complexity all across the board and it is contingent on what the animal needs... a worm doesn't need a badass brain to prosper-- we do.

 

The above point, what I'm trying to get at... is that it is very easy to separate ourselves from the other animals because we have a level of consciousness and self-consciousness that no other animal does. But is the life of a human objectively worth more than the life of a house cat? No. Absolutely not. But I would be lying if I said I'd be moved as much by the death of my cat as I would if my mother were to die... because people aren't objective when it comes down to it, we're self-centered. The bonds and connections a person has with their loved ones supercedes what one might objectively know.

 

I am a human being, an animal of complex and inherently contradictory consciousness. In a person's mind what they might know as intellectual fact is separated from the rest. I might know that I will die like any animal naturally will, and while the plain old facts might give me some solace I still mourn myself now. Because at the end of the day, it is scary to leave what you know and all I know is what it is to live and have my own perspective from the day I was born. Not experiencing life is unfathomable for me.

 

I care about myself more than anything in the world. I don't want to feel pain, I want to flourish in the world. The people I surround myself with and build connections with, I build those relationships to support myself and get through life not alone because humans are a social animal. Not because I actually care, it's an illusion. I think that's true of everyone, all motive and no heart. I go on because that's what a person does, a person is built to survive and reproduce and to possess the will to survive and maintain homeostasis above ALL ELSE. But once again... intellectually, it wouldn't matter if I died right now... it wouldn't matter if the Earth f*cking blew up and we all died. Life is life, it's flourished for some time now on Earth, but even Earth isn't a mainstay. It's not like everything in the universe isn't going to die eventually anyway.

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Gouveia

If they wish so... All for it. I mean, if I want, I can pretty much do anything, but there will be consequences, but still. If I want to die, I can.

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Killer.Khan

For it. If someone wants to die, let them.

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Shylock

It's somewhat of a double edged sword.

 

I'm personally for it, because if someone wants to die badly enough, they will find a way to do it. Having state run suicide assistance is kind of taking it too far, but I'd rather know that they are going to be put down safely and humanely rather then getting in a car and driving head on into someone (presumely) that isn't ready to die. Or get a gun and start shooting etc. etc.

 

If someone is that messed up that they WANT to die, who are we to tell them they can't?

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Wrathchild

I agree with it but only if the person is defianatly going to die. I mean, my uncle had cancer but died of pneumonia sad.gif (which he got because the treatment for the cancer weakened him alot) but the people at the hospital said that he was going to die of the cancer eventually and he would of died slowly and in alot of pain. So if someone was going to die slowly and horribly Why shouldn't they be aloud to get all the pain over with? (as long as its there decision.)

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Moncai

Completly for it, well as long as it is not a 'spur of the moment' type of thing and it is their own decision to make. There should be a waiting period (much like there is before plastic surgery) where people are allowed to evaluate there decision. In my opinion it should be legalized, just for the fact that making ill people travel long distances to finally be able to die is wrong.

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Tom Toole

I'm definitely anti-life. Not really.

 

Euthanasia is good in certain cases, but if we're talking about euthanasia for a terminal illness called life - then euthanasia is a misnomer. Maybe.

 

 

Anyhow, when in doubt went on out and bought it cause I thought that it would be jamming but

killing babies? I think that's allright. I mean they don't even think yet so it's like killing a cow or a sheep.

 

Suicide, I think a lot of people don't have the guts to commit suicide, even though they want to. Instinct of self preservation and whatnot.

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Vercetti21

You don't just kill everyone who wants to die. Everyone has ups and downs in their life, and at some point, a person might seriously consider suicide to be an option. By providing it as an open door opportunity, society would be accepting suicide. Therefore, people are going to be more willing to do it.

 

Why do we care if they want to die? Because more than 90% of all attempted suicide cases involve the person who tried to commit suicide regretting it after the fact. And, the 10% who never regretted it consisted of mostly mentally ill or "legally" insane people.

 

However, euthanasia is not as much suicide as it is "mercy killing". Euthanasia means to put to death a physically ill person at his/her own will. Note that this does not include people who are simply depressed. So if a person is suffering of cancer, is blind and deaf, and has no limbs, should they have the right to kill themselves? Absolutely. But should we waste our precious tax dollars to kill Mr. Emo just because he is sad? No, not at all.

Edited by Vercetti21

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Stefan.

I hear people saying that people with physical complacencies should be allowed to die, yet those with mental one shouldn't.

 

The mind controls the body, and the body controls the mind. If someone is physically ill, he can still think normally (to some extent). Yet if someone is mentally ill, what is there to control the physical aspect? People should be allowed to anything to themselves, because it is them doing it. If someone is suffering from severe depression, it can be very difficult to recover from that, especially if they suffer from traumatisation. They should have the same rights to die as someone with some particular physical illness, and is in the same sort of mental upsetness as the guy with mental illness.

 

I'm all for it, but also allow it to those with mental complacencies.

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Struff Bunstridge

If people want to die, we should allow them to die. It's their body, their life and their choice. Who are we to deny them that choice? I'm not even sure whether or not their motive should come into it at all. Their motive for wanting to die is none of our business, and people should be allowed to end their life if they wish it. A number of people believe that whatever is waiting for them on the other side is even better than the life they have here, so why try and stop them going for it?

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Stefan.
If people want to die, we should allow them to die. It's their body, their life and their choice. Who are we to deny them that choice? I'm not even sure whether or not their motive should come into it at all. Their motive for wanting to die is none of our business, and people should be allowed to end their life if they wish it. A number of people believe that whatever is waiting for them on the other side is even better than the life they have here, so why try and stop them going for it?

Exactly! That is why I'm ticked off when people say that only people with physical illness should kick the bucket at their own will, yet those with depression etc. can't. It's, in a way, double standard. Mental illnes can have just as much of an affect on a person as does physical illness.

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The Unvirginiser

If youe termianlly ill and in constant pain then im definatly for it

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Ph3L1z14n0
If people want to die, we should allow them to die.

It's easy to say when it's not your son or your mother, and many times people are just desperate, maybe they can regret in the end.

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