BigBoyTraks Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 (edited) "You don't like. You don't Buy!!! Was it necessary ? Are we supposed to be in this forum only to praise a game even it is had to become sh*t from one day to another ? i completley agree, whats the point of a forum, if its just actually an ego-stroking GTA wank-fest. i agree again with the statement earlier that most people just want GTA with an improved engine and not actually a next gen game, carrying 10 weapons is fine in something such as half life 2, as it has a flowing storyline and the opportunity to store and choose weapons is impossible and would effect gameplay, but GTA had the chance to evolve this systems to the bag/trunk option, staying with the old dated system is a mistake in my opinion as we will just play the game in the same way i.e the second a machine gun is made available, the user will just use that for the majority of the game making any opportunity for tatical and tense shoot-out obsolete Dude your reading way to much into things. I didn't say everything has to be happy discussions on GTA. But the forums have so much negative crap as it is it out ways the positives of GTA People focus to much on negative crap its a fact. Regardless you can never please people. It's just impossible Edited January 25, 2008 by BigBoyTraks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grekster Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 "You don't like. You don't Buy!!! Was it necessary ? Are we supposed to be in this forum only to praise a game even it is had to become sh*t from one day to another ? i completley agree, whats the point of a forum, if its just actually an ego-stroking GTA wank-fest. i agree again with the statement earlier that most people just want GTA with an improved engine and not actually a next gen game, carrying 10 weapons is fine in something such as half life 2, as it has a flowing storyline and the opportunity to store and choose weapons is impossible and would effect gameplay, but GTA had the chance to evolve this systems to the bag/trunk option, staying with the old dated system is a mistake in my opinion as we will just play the game in the same way i.e the second a machine gun is made available, the user will just use that for the majority of the game making any opportunity for tatical and tense shoot-out obsolete The bag system isnt going to fix that though. In fact by placing a limit on what the player can carry your encouraging the situation where a player just picks one weapon and uses it for the whole game. If the player can carry around every weapon all the time then they have more choices avaliable to them in fire fights and so have different tactics avaliable. At the end of the day though really whats fun is all personal opinion, and we can argue our sides till the cows come home, its not going to change what we think is fun. And btw the way im all for having a next gen game, and i love some of the things R* have implemented, like being able to ride in taxis, the phone, the new police chase system. Im just not sure a new weapon system will be as good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmarn Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 "You don't like. You don't Buy!!! Was it necessary ? Are we supposed to be in this forum only to praise a game even it is had to become sh*t from one day to another ? LOL bro your taking it to serious. It's a true fact if you don't like something why would you waste your money on something!!! Your entitled to your opinion. I for one don't really care about the magical weapons appearing and Im sure alot of others don't care either. Would you rather the game be delayed again just to put that feature in?? I just want Rockstar to read this thread and face their mistake ! @ Jimmarn: But amigo, how it is too realistic, it's just a simple thing and it's how it works in all other games. I don't ask too much, really. well a simple animasion of him pulling a weapon is ok... but from where? if they're gonna make that animasion they had to make the gun show anywhere... or should he just drag eatch weapon from beneath he's jacket? then ppl would complain about him having too many weapons under he's jacket too... and if the weapon was on he's back i think it's getting too realistic... Just imagine how it would look if every reacted on him have a massive weapon on his back... ïf you agree on that one and think's: but they could just make them ignore it... imagine how it would look with Niko walking around with a massive weapon on he's back and everybody acting like they see nothing... I like it the way it is plus i enjoy using lot's of different weapons when i'm going berserk at a spot in town Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBoyTraks Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 "You don't like. You don't Buy!!! Was it necessary ? Are we supposed to be in this forum only to praise a game even it is had to become sh*t from one day to another ? i completley agree, whats the point of a forum, if its just actually an ego-stroking GTA wank-fest. i agree again with the statement earlier that most people just want GTA with an improved engine and not actually a next gen game, carrying 10 weapons is fine in something such as half life 2, as it has a flowing storyline and the opportunity to store and choose weapons is impossible and would effect gameplay, but GTA had the chance to evolve this systems to the bag/trunk option, staying with the old dated system is a mistake in my opinion as we will just play the game in the same way i.e the second a machine gun is made available, the user will just use that for the majority of the game making any opportunity for tatical and tense shoot-out obsolete The bag system isnt going to fix that though. In fact by placing a limit on what the player can carry your encouraging the situation where a player just picks one weapon and uses it for the whole game. If the player can carry around every weapon all the time then they have more choices avaliable to them in fire fights and so have different tactics avaliable. At the end of the day though really whats fun is all personal opinion, and we can argue our sides till the cows come home, its not going to change what we think is fun. And btw the way im all for having a next gen game, and i love some of the things R* have implemented, like being able to ride in taxis, the phone, the new police chase system. Im just not sure a new weapon system will be as good Very true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyUK Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 surely a forum is to debate though? you must agree with that? so anyones opinion is valid, the ammount of hypocrisy on these forums is actually depressing "gta can do no wrong, stop complaining" "omg they added girlfriends teh sucked in teh last one" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBoyTraks Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 surely a forum is to debate though? you must agree with that? so anyones opinion is valid, the ammount of hypocrisy on these forums is actually depressing "gta can do no wrong, stop complaining" "omg they added girlfriends teh sucked in teh last one" Nah bro I totally agree with you. Like you said everyone opinion is valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kippers Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Only being able to carry 2 weapons at a time to feed the realism freaks what they want on this forum would make the game boring and Rockstar know it 習うより慣れろ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FelipeVinhao Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Would you rather the game be delayed again just to put that feature in?? Don't even kid about that... Nah bro I totally agree with you. But Im just saying let's be happy that we are getting the game in April you know and start looking at the positive things and not always the negatives. Which these forums are known to do alot. Nah I understood ya. I also got tired of seeing this so frequently... That's why wasn't replying so frequently in the forums, although I was watching the frontpage frequently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmarn Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Only being able to carry 2 weapons at a time to feed the realism freaks what they want on this forum would make the game boring and Rockstar know it Totally... as i said a few post's over... they'd have to limit the weapons if they want a animation.. and that'll kill the fun... well... i didn't actually say that but.. it's what i pointed out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyUK Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 the problem i have with "the weapon debate" is that i honestly think people don't want it changed because of some dogmatic belief that it isnt broken, it might not be broken persay but it is dated people thinking not having 10 weapons all the time, will be no fun?? gears of war? would that have been improved if you had another twelve weapons including a rocket launcher hidden up your arse? i actually agree grekstar that it does cause a conflict of just carrying the best weapon anyway and to tell the truth im still trying to think of a succinct comeback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmarn Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 the problem i have with "the weapon debate" is that i honestly think people don't want it changed because of some dogmatic belief that it isnt broken, it might not be broken persay but it is dated people thinking not having 10 weapons all the time, will be no fun?? gears of war? would that have been improved if you had another twelve weapons including a rocket launcher hidden up your arse? i actually agree grekstar that it does cause a conflict of just carrying the best weapon anyway and to tell the truth im still trying to think of a succinct comeback Hey man, this is GTA not Gears of War... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyUK Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 the problem i have with "the weapon debate" is that i honestly think people don't want it changed because of some dogmatic belief that it isnt broken, it might not be broken persay but it is dated people thinking not having 10 weapons all the time, will be no fun?? gears of war? would that have been improved if you had another twelve weapons including a rocket launcher hidden up your arse? i actually agree grekstar that it does cause a conflict of just carrying the best weapon anyway and to tell the truth im still trying to think of a succinct comeback Hey man, this is GTA not Gears of War... woo good comeback im actually stumped with that one? gears of war delivered the best kinetic shoot-outs of the next gen age, so i think its applicable im my opinion "magical weapons" are staying for the same reason we still have cliche'd characters like brucie and playboy x, because rockstar are aware that they sell the game to a majority of underage players, who want quick fix satisfaction and not actually an improve gaming enviroment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grekster Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 the problem i have with "the weapon debate" is that i honestly think people don't want it changed because of some dogmatic belief that it isnt broken, it might not be broken persay but it is dated people thinking not having 10 weapons all the time, will be no fun?? gears of war? would that have been improved if you had another twelve weapons including a rocket launcher hidden up your arse? i actually agree grekstar that it does cause a conflict of just carrying the best weapon anyway and to tell the truth im still trying to think of a succinct comeback I look forward to hearing it. I think there are places where limiting weapons can work. Certainly RTCW:Enemy Territory is an awesome game and limiting what you can carry really benifits the game. But in that game everyone has different roles and so different requirements from their weapons. In GTA you have one guy doing everything and well I guess part of the problem is that its a sandbox game and I dont like being limited in what I can do in a sandbox game just for some arbiturary reason, especially when I had that freedom in previous GTA's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley_Coleman Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 (edited) Only being able to carry 2 weapons at a time to feed the realism freaks what they want on this forum would make the game boring and Rockstar know it Ahhhh !!! Do you want to craze me ?? I've said and I repeat that the problem concerns the visible, seeing the weapons come out of nowhere is weird, please read the posts men. There will be no limitations if you have the duffelbag: small weapons in the jacket, largest ones in the bag... Edited January 25, 2008 by Stanley_Coleman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmarn Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 the problem i have with "the weapon debate" is that i honestly think people don't want it changed because of some dogmatic belief that it isnt broken, it might not be broken persay but it is dated people thinking not having 10 weapons all the time, will be no fun?? gears of war? would that have been improved if you had another twelve weapons including a rocket launcher hidden up your arse? i actually agree grekstar that it does cause a conflict of just carrying the best weapon anyway and to tell the truth im still trying to think of a succinct comeback Hey man, this is GTA not Gears of War... woo good comeback im actually stumped with that one? gears of war delivered the best kinetic shoot-outs of the next gen age, so i think its applicable im my opinion "magical weapons" are staying for the same reason we still have cliche'd characters like brucie and playboy x, because rockstar are aware that they sell the game to a majority of underage players, who want quick fix satisfaction and not actually an improve gaming enviroment Going maniac in a city with lots of weapons = X-treme Fun... i bet it won't be that fun with 2 guns... I don't think you can compare GoW and GTA, that's just me tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBoyTraks Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 But rather people like it or not Rockstar has made there choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FelipeVinhao Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 im my opinion "magical weapons" are staying for the same reason we still have cliche'd characters like brucie and playboy x, because rockstar are aware that they sell the game to a majority of underage players, who want quick fix satisfaction and not actually an improve gaming enviroment I think although Rockstar is aware of that, they don't make the game thinking of them. They can't and their not allowed to, once it's a "M for Mature" game. They make it for real GTA players (mature or not) who wants quick satisfaction. And you're right about it. If it wasn't right, Rockstar would had improved graphics very long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley_Coleman Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 im my opinion "magical weapons" are staying for the same reason we still have cliche'd characters like brucie and playboy x, because rockstar are aware that they sell the game to a majority of underage players, who want quick fix satisfaction and not actually an improve gaming enviroment I think although Rockstar is aware of that, they don't make the game thinking of them. They can't and their not allowed to, once it's a "M for Mature" game. They make it for real GTA players (mature or not) who wants quick satisfaction. And you're right about it. If it wasn't right, Rockstar would had improved graphics very long ago. Why couldn't they ? money talks, no ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyUK Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 the problem i have with "the weapon debate" is that i honestly think people don't want it changed because of some dogmatic belief that it isnt broken, it might not be broken persay but it is dated people thinking not having 10 weapons all the time, will be no fun?? gears of war? would that have been improved if you had another twelve weapons including a rocket launcher hidden up your arse? i actually agree grekstar that it does cause a conflict of just carrying the best weapon anyway and to tell the truth im still trying to think of a succinct comeback I look forward to hearing it. I think there are places where limiting weapons can work. Certainly RTCW:Enemy Territory is an awesome game and limiting what you can carry really benifits the game. But in that game everyone has different roles and so different requirements from their weapons. In GTA you have one guy doing everything and well I guess part of the problem is that its a sandbox game and I dont like being limited in what I can do in a sandbox game just for some arbiturary reason, especially when I had that freedom in previous GTA's awesome actual intelligent debate im not going to cry about the 100 weapon situation but i think it is to appease the masses instead of actually evolving the franchise, the bag and trunk option does not stop rampage or freedom, it mearly creates more sophisticated situation, personally i'd rather play a game when a five on one situation was intense and hard, because its inevitable that the difficulty will only grow by adding and adding more enemies this seems a tad boring and last gen to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley_Coleman Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 (edited) I second that I think GTA has stayed last gen in its spirit Edited January 25, 2008 by Stanley_Coleman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FelipeVinhao Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 im my opinion "magical weapons" are staying for the same reason we still have cliche'd characters like brucie and playboy x, because rockstar are aware that they sell the game to a majority of underage players, who want quick fix satisfaction and not actually an improve gaming enviroment I think although Rockstar is aware of that, they don't make the game thinking of them. They can't and their not allowed to, once it's a "M for Mature" game. They make it for real GTA players (mature or not) who wants quick satisfaction. And you're right about it. If it wasn't right, Rockstar would had improved graphics very long ago. Why couldn't they ? money talks, no ? Yep. But GTA was always made of gameplay rather than graphics and GTA4 isn't different. Many people are moaning about GTA4 graphics. They're partly right, considering there are other games to be released almost together with GTA4 that have better graphics. But GTA4 is improved in comparison with previous ones, both talking about graphics and gameplay. Who bets it'll get another 9.5/10 or better again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBoyTraks Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Im sure Rockstar thought about it. They know on one hand they will have a hand full of people saying "Why did they change the weapon system" then on the other "Why didn't they change the weapon system". So im pretty sure thats why the stuck with what has worked in the past decade with GTA Fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grekster Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 the problem i have with "the weapon debate" is that i honestly think people don't want it changed because of some dogmatic belief that it isnt broken, it might not be broken persay but it is dated people thinking not having 10 weapons all the time, will be no fun?? gears of war? would that have been improved if you had another twelve weapons including a rocket launcher hidden up your arse? i actually agree grekstar that it does cause a conflict of just carrying the best weapon anyway and to tell the truth im still trying to think of a succinct comeback I look forward to hearing it. I think there are places where limiting weapons can work. Certainly RTCW:Enemy Territory is an awesome game and limiting what you can carry really benifits the game. But in that game everyone has different roles and so different requirements from their weapons. In GTA you have one guy doing everything and well I guess part of the problem is that its a sandbox game and I dont like being limited in what I can do in a sandbox game just for some arbiturary reason, especially when I had that freedom in previous GTA's awesome actual intelligent debate im not going to cry about the 100 weapon situation but i think it is to appease the masses instead of actually evolving the franchise, the bag and trunk option does not stop rampage or freedom, it mearly creates more sophisticated situation, personally i'd rather play a game when a five on one situation was intense and hard, because its inevitable that the difficulty will only grow by adding and adding more enemies this seems a tad boring and last gen to me Im not sure im all that comfortable with everyone brandishing the phrase "next-gen" around like its a cure for cancer. I think the real issue here is purely arcade v simulation, generation has nothing to do with it. And its right to say that a swing more to simulation in terms of weapon handling will bring new gameplay elements, and some of those will probably be good, but some are going to be more frustrating for the player. Of course the more arcade style of previous GTA's has seperate issues but at the end of the day you can still play the same way as you would if you were more realitically limited in what you can carry, which to me makes it the arcade style a better choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmarn Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 im my opinion "magical weapons" are staying for the same reason we still have cliche'd characters like brucie and playboy x, because rockstar are aware that they sell the game to a majority of underage players, who want quick fix satisfaction and not actually an improve gaming enviroment I think although Rockstar is aware of that, they don't make the game thinking of them. They can't and their not allowed to, once it's a "M for Mature" game. They make it for real GTA players (mature or not) who wants quick satisfaction. And you're right about it. If it wasn't right, Rockstar would had improved graphics very long ago. Why couldn't they ? money talks, no ? Yep. But GTA was always made of gameplay rather than graphics and GTA4 isn't different. Many people are moaning about GTA4 graphics. They're partly right, considering there are other games to be released almost together with GTA4 that have better graphics. But GTA4 is improved in comparison with previous ones, both talking about graphics and gameplay. Who bets it'll get another 9.5/10 or better again? I think the graphix now are amazing compared to the old one.. i think it has a feel to it kinda... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBoyTraks Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 the problem i have with "the weapon debate" is that i honestly think people don't want it changed because of some dogmatic belief that it isnt broken, it might not be broken persay but it is dated people thinking not having 10 weapons all the time, will be no fun?? gears of war? would that have been improved if you had another twelve weapons including a rocket launcher hidden up your arse? i actually agree grekstar that it does cause a conflict of just carrying the best weapon anyway and to tell the truth im still trying to think of a succinct comeback I look forward to hearing it. I think there are places where limiting weapons can work. Certainly RTCW:Enemy Territory is an awesome game and limiting what you can carry really benifits the game. But in that game everyone has different roles and so different requirements from their weapons. In GTA you have one guy doing everything and well I guess part of the problem is that its a sandbox game and I dont like being limited in what I can do in a sandbox game just for some arbiturary reason, especially when I had that freedom in previous GTA's awesome actual intelligent debate im not going to cry about the 100 weapon situation but i think it is to appease the masses instead of actually evolving the franchise, the bag and trunk option does not stop rampage or freedom, it mearly creates more sophisticated situation, personally i'd rather play a game when a five on one situation was intense and hard, because its inevitable that the difficulty will only grow by adding and adding more enemies this seems a tad boring and last gen to me Im not sure im all that comfortable with everyone brandishing the phrase "next-gen" around like its a cure for cancer. I think the real issue here is purely arcade v simulation, generation has nothing to do with it. And its right to say that a swing more to simulation in terms of weapon handling will bring new gameplay elements, and some of those will probably be good, but some are going to be more frustrating for the player. Of course the more arcade style of previous GTA's has seperate issues but at the end of the day you can still play the same way as you would if you were more realitically limited in what you can carry, which to me makes it the arcade style a better choice. Well put Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyUK Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 "next-gen" can not only be held as a graphical base, is my point. Gaming has evolved over the last 5 years, since the last gta game and a more mature audience has grown, the problem i have though grekster is that you yourself are looking at this intelligently and that doesnt really cover the demographic, who sadly dont want this changed in any other way except it is what they are used to. we can both force the points over gaming vs simulation, simulation, i think brings in thoughts that don't really suit my point, i'm for gaming as much as anyone, i just personally think that "fun" can be had with more than just waves and waves of enemies that i destroy with the small army i keep in my trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmarn Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 "next-gen" can not only be held as a graphical base. I agree on that one... I do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grekster Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 "next-gen" can not only be held as a graphical base, is my point. Gaming has evolved over the last 5 years, since the last gta game and a more mature audience has grown, the problem i have though grekster is that you yourself are looking at this intelligently and that doesnt really cover the demographic, who sadly dont want this changed in any other way except it is what they are used to. we can both force the points over gaming vs simulation, simulation, i think brings in thoughts that don't really suit my point, i'm for gaming as much as anyone, i just personally think that "fun" can be had with more than just waves and waves of enemies that i destroy with the small army i keep in my trousers I know next-gen is not limited to graphics exclusively I just dont think that this weapon thing can be classed as next-gen, as it is a game mechanic that has appeared numerous other games of this generation, and the previous 2 at least. Weve probably said all that can be said though *laughs* and may aswell leave it at that, unless someone else wants to join in Id love to hear your thoughts over in that Paramedic thread though;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khal Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 I don't mind the magic weapons to much I think it would kinda suck getting pinned down an having to pull your AK out of a bag before you could shoot which I think is part of the reason they have it magic still plus it makes for some funny jokes about how big his ass has to be to fit all that stuff in there =p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeblynkst Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 i dont now what to say im really disapointed off this magic thing,really, if they apear in abra ka da bra thing then that game will not look that great like pulling uot gun if you shirt or pulling out of trunk or bag... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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