fishermanGTA Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Well since it has been confirmed that there will be the good old "magic" weapon's, where the anti-hero seems to just pull guns out of his ass, I thought it would be good to have an educated discussion about it. Does this not negate all the cool new features confirmed such as duffel bags and car trunks? Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/308725-lets-talk-about-magical-weapons/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCM Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Meh; I'm cool with it. No hard feelings. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/308725-lets-talk-about-magical-weapons/#findComment-1057436816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lega_c Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 yea it pretty much does...but the larger weapons probably will be held in Duffel bags like Rifles and rocket launchers Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/308725-lets-talk-about-magical-weapons/#findComment-1057436818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
$tr4nger Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Does this not negate all the cool new features confirmed such as duffel bags and car trunks? Well I think it does contradict all the new (insanely) realistic features.. Of which there are so many. It still doesnt make sense to me that they would do this, when they have euphoria especially. Then again I suppose I would be okay with it if Niko actually pulled the weapons out (in a short animation) instead of them just appearing.. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/308725-lets-talk-about-magical-weapons/#findComment-1057436828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
10wellsmit Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 to me having magical weapons and not having magical weapons are just as good as each other. Each has it's positives and negatives. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/308725-lets-talk-about-magical-weapons/#findComment-1057436833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishermanGTA Posted January 25, 2008 Author Share Posted January 25, 2008 yea it pretty much does...but the larger weapons probably will be held in Duffel bags like Rifles and rocket launchers A rocket launcher? In a bag? Did you see the trailer? Not big enough. I remember in the first preview it was said that niko walked into the house, and PULLED out his gun, it stated that he pulled it out from his clothing. I am not even sure if the preview (latest one) was even factual in what it said. Why would they make this MASSIVE step down? Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/308725-lets-talk-about-magical-weapons/#findComment-1057436838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FelipeVinhao Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 [...] where the anti-hero seems to just pull guns out of his ass [...] This says everything... Does this not negate all the cool new features confirmed such as duffel bags and car trunks? I think duffel bags and trunks will be useful in 2 ways: * storing weapons that doesn't fit on Niko's ass... I mean... under his clothes, like miniguns or rocket launchers * restoring ammunition Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/308725-lets-talk-about-magical-weapons/#findComment-1057436839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
$tr4nger Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Why would they make this MASSIVE step down? The complaining on the forum.. They definately could not of missed all the annoying threads moaning about the weapon carrying.. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/308725-lets-talk-about-magical-weapons/#findComment-1057436846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
10wellsmit Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 BTW wanna hear something that makes the wait for GTA IV EVEN WORSE?! As of writing this we have.... Days: 94 Hours: 2259 Minutes: 135558 Seconds: 8133480 To GTA IV's launch! lol! Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/308725-lets-talk-about-magical-weapons/#findComment-1057436847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishermanGTA Posted January 25, 2008 Author Share Posted January 25, 2008 Why would they make this MASSIVE step down? The complaining on the forum.. They definately could not of missed all the annoying threads moaning about the weapon carrying.. Maybe you are right.... Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/308725-lets-talk-about-magical-weapons/#findComment-1057436859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley_Coleman Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 (edited) Why do you people who complain as much about the realism (non-existing) improvement can't understand it's matter ? Do you really feel the need of carrying 1000 weapons together ? Isn't it too easy to switch from a pistol to a rocket launcher during a battle when the ennemies can't even have 2 different weapons ? This new instalment was supposed to be more cinematic and realistic, to give the illusion of being into the game and this old feature will suddenly break this illusion each time we want to switch weapon. Edited January 25, 2008 by Stanley_Coleman Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/308725-lets-talk-about-magical-weapons/#findComment-1057436877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishermanGTA Posted January 25, 2008 Author Share Posted January 25, 2008 Exactly, it just wouldnt feel real. Now before people post "but dood itz knot ment to b reel!", IV is a hyper realistic game, meant to draw you into the experience. Each time I change weapon its "oh thats right, its a game". Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/308725-lets-talk-about-magical-weapons/#findComment-1057436901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley_Coleman Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 (edited) Exactly, it just wouldnt feel real.Now before people post "but dood itz knot ment to b reel!", IV is a hyper realistic game, meant to draw you into the experience. Each time I change weapon its "oh thats right, its a game". Yeah, it's what I was trying to explain in other threads. I wanted to create my own but I knew people would immediately get flamed. Anyway, yours is fine. So this game is supposed to be next-gen but people here seem to believe this term only means better graphics Didn't you notice how since a few years some video games tend to get closer to the cinema ? It's thanks to games like these that the average man doesn't picture pacman anymore when he hears about VG. A 1 second look to camera ruins a movie, so there should be rules in video games too. Oh... and please stop spitting at realism in Grand Theft Auto. If you don't want it, it's quite simple: JUST. KEEP. PLAYING. OLD. GTA'S !!! Edited January 25, 2008 by Stanley_Coleman Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/308725-lets-talk-about-magical-weapons/#findComment-1057436945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishermanGTA Posted January 25, 2008 Author Share Posted January 25, 2008 Exactly. I also guarentee that when newer games where comming out, there were some people saying "I want pacman". Its just the cycle. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/308725-lets-talk-about-magical-weapons/#findComment-1057436950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grekster Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 How do you know that Rockstar haven't tried this "realistic" way of carry guns in bags and such, and then found through play-testing that the original way is more fun? Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/308725-lets-talk-about-magical-weapons/#findComment-1057436955 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FelipeVinhao Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 I also guarentee that when newer games where comming out, there were some people saying "I want pacman". Its just the cycle. I don't doubt. Well... even myself still play Prince Of Persia - The Shadow And The Flame sometimes, I must confess. But because it's a cool game, not because its graphics (with the exception of those cool characters moviments). But the reason I wanna play GTA4 is a sum of everything it has: hundreds of hours of gameplay, realist graphics, characters and physics, realistic and unrealistic features, being a shoting and a driving game in the same pack, just to mention only what we know. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/308725-lets-talk-about-magical-weapons/#findComment-1057436960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishermanGTA Posted January 25, 2008 Author Share Posted January 25, 2008 How do you know that Rockstar haven't tried this "realistic" way of carry guns in bags and such, and then found through play-testing that the original way is more fun? Because it has been seen now that they are dodging a lot of the old ways for newer, even though at first people may see them as "more fun". Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/308725-lets-talk-about-magical-weapons/#findComment-1057436970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley_Coleman Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Actually, I wouldn't give a sh*t about it in other circumstances. But from what I heard, R* sometimes give a look at forums and they seem to only take an interest in the majority position. It's surely why the sim time is coming back. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/308725-lets-talk-about-magical-weapons/#findComment-1057436979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grekster Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 How do you know that Rockstar haven't tried this "realistic" way of carry guns in bags and such, and then found through play-testing that the original way is more fun? Because it has been seen now that they are dodging a lot of the old ways for newer, even though at first people may see them as "more fun". That really doesnt make sense. What i meant was that maybe Rockstar have already impelented this new way of playing that you want, but the people currently playtesting the game found that it wasnt as fun as the old way, and so they have reverted back to the old (original) way. This is something that happens a lot in the industry where ideas are tested and found to be not the right design choice in the end. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/308725-lets-talk-about-magical-weapons/#findComment-1057436985 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishermanGTA Posted January 25, 2008 Author Share Posted January 25, 2008 Both posts above me make sense. I may not be making a lot of sense though. After 1 bottle of wine, 3 beers and 4 shots in me, I don't make much sense. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/308725-lets-talk-about-magical-weapons/#findComment-1057436986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grekster Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Both posts above me make sense. I may not be making a lot of sense though. After 1 bottle of wine, 3 beers and 4 shots in me, I don't make much sense. Well that clears that up then Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/308725-lets-talk-about-magical-weapons/#findComment-1057436997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FelipeVinhao Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 I may not be making a lot of sense though.After 1 bottle of wine, 3 beers and 4 shots in me, I don't make much sense. By the way, this will affect gameplay. See? It's realistic! Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/308725-lets-talk-about-magical-weapons/#findComment-1057437002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley_Coleman Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 How do you know that Rockstar haven't tried this "realistic" way of carry guns in bags and such, and then found through play-testing that the original way is more fun? Because it has been seen now that they are dodging a lot of the old ways for newer, even though at first people may see them as "more fun". That really doesnt make sense. What i meant was that maybe Rockstar have already impelented this new way of playing that you want, but the people currently playtesting the game found that it wasnt as fun as the old way, and so they have reverted back to the old (original) way. This is something that happens a lot in the industry where ideas are tested and found to be not the right design choice in the end. Bullsh*ts... Why would it be less fun ? It's just a quick animation that we want. And I repeat myself, do you really need to carry absurd weapons everywhere and all the time ? Or are you too lazy to spend 2 second taking a duffelbag ? Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/308725-lets-talk-about-magical-weapons/#findComment-1057437011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishermanGTA Posted January 25, 2008 Author Share Posted January 25, 2008 Bingo, it would only make it MORE fun in my opinion. Oh and yes, I have drunk a lot tonight, its not over yet either Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/308725-lets-talk-about-magical-weapons/#findComment-1057437021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTASIX Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Were they previewing the final build? maybe the magic weapons were because it was an old build. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/308725-lets-talk-about-magical-weapons/#findComment-1057437023 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grekster Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Well I personally dont agree, I dont see how it would be more fun to carry everything round in a bag and i dont see how it would be more fun to be weighed down and have to move much slower just because i want to carry an rpg, a rifle, a few grenades and ammo etc. I think that would make it less fun then being able to carry whatever I want and still be able to run. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/308725-lets-talk-about-magical-weapons/#findComment-1057437027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishermanGTA Posted January 25, 2008 Author Share Posted January 25, 2008 They said it was a more stable build, being able to go faster and have it not "Scripted" demo. This would suggest it would be the newest build. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/308725-lets-talk-about-magical-weapons/#findComment-1057437029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley_Coleman Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Well I personally dont agree, I dont see how it would be more fun to carry everything round in a bag and i dont see how it would be more fun to be weighed down and have to move much slower just because i want to carry an rpg, a rifle, a few grenades and ammo etc. I think that would make it less fun then being able to carry whatever I want and still be able to run. So just remove the weight thing, you're going to the extreme. I don't want to get slowed down either. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/308725-lets-talk-about-magical-weapons/#findComment-1057437037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grekster Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Well I personally dont agree, I dont see how it would be more fun to carry everything round in a bag and i dont see how it would be more fun to be weighed down and have to move much slower just because i want to carry an rpg, a rifle, a few grenades and ammo etc. I think that would make it less fun then being able to carry whatever I want and still be able to run. So just remove the weight thing, you're going to the extreme. I don't want to get slow down either. So your saying you want a magic Mary Poppins bag? Where you can put whatever you want it to it with no weight or space restrictions? So how is that "more realistic" than the normal way? And if thats the case why is the normal way such a problem, since they are now equally as unrealistic? To me its seems you can be either realistic or unrealistic. If you want to be realistic then have the bag and suffer actually having to carry stuff around with you, be constantly weighed down, or you go the unrealistic way and have whatever weapon you want on you. You seem to want a middle route which is just hypocritical Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/308725-lets-talk-about-magical-weapons/#findComment-1057437044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley_Coleman Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 (edited) Well I personally dont agree, I dont see how it would be more fun to carry everything round in a bag and i dont see how it would be more fun to be weighed down and have to move much slower just because i want to carry an rpg, a rifle, a few grenades and ammo etc. I think that would make it less fun then being able to carry whatever I want and still be able to run. So just remove the weight thing, you're going to the extreme. I don't want to get slow down either. So your saying you want a magic Mary Poppins bag? Where you can put whatever you want it to it with no weight or space restrictions? So how is that "more realistic" than the normal way? And if thats the case why is the normal way such a problem, since they are now equally as unrealistic? To me its seems you can be either realistic or unrealistic. If you want to be realistic then have the bag and suffer actually having to carry stuff around with you, be constantly weighed down, or you go the unrealistic way and have whatever weapon you want on you. You seem to want a middle route which is just hypocritical The problem is mainly visual, it's why I want short animations and the duffelbag ONLY for large weapons (smaller ones in his pockets). Anyway if I remember correctly, in past gta's you couldn't run with the rocket launcher (correct me if I'm wrong). Edited January 25, 2008 by Stanley_Coleman Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/308725-lets-talk-about-magical-weapons/#findComment-1057437064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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