CJ 4 life Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 In this video http://www.boredom-induced.com/gta/missi... when CJ and his brother are about to enter the car, CJ says:"Ah, thought you hang wit yo bruDa, huh?" Which type of D is this? If it was a normal D (called alveolar) it should undergo the process known as "flapping", like in "sadder","ladder", but it don't; that made me think it's a dental D, not present in standard English. What do you think? Please answer me!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bagga rabbit Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 It's a "ghetto" D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Girish Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 In this video http://www.boredom-induced.com/gta/missi... when CJ and his brother are about to enter the car, CJ says:"Ah, thought you hang wit yo bruDa, huh?" Which type of D is this? If it was a normal D (called alveolar) it should undergo the process known as "flapping", like in "sadder","ladder", but it don't; that made me think it's a dental D, not present in standard English. What do you think? Please answer me!!! I don't seem to understand what the hell you're talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Struff Bunstridge Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 Finer grammar points on a gaming forum? Interesting move. It's a hardening of the aspirated "th" of "brother", common in most colloquial American dialect. The equivalent in the south of England, where I'm from, is a "v", as in "bruvva". I really wouldn't worry about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Girish Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 Ohh...now I get it. And bagga rabbit and Struff Burnstridge are bang on target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ 4 life Posted January 25, 2008 Author Share Posted January 25, 2008 Finer grammar points on a gaming forum? Interesting move. It's a hardening of the aspirated "th" of "brother", common in most colloquial American dialect. The equivalent in the south of England, where I'm from, is a "v", as in "bruvva". I really wouldn't worry about it. Thank you for answering me. But how is this sound articulated? It ain't just like a normal D. Where do I have to place my tongue to riproduce this suond? It's not a TH, so NOT with the tongue between the upper and lower teeth. So where??!! Sorry, but I really care for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Struff Bunstridge Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 No problem. It's somewhere in between "D" and "TH". More like placing your tongue against the back of your teeth rather than in between. Quite hard to explain, now I think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bagga rabbit Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Finer grammar points on a gaming forum? Interesting move. It's a hardening of the aspirated "th" of "brother", common in most colloquial American dialect. The equivalent in the south of England, where I'm from, is a "v", as in "bruvva". I really wouldn't worry about it. Thank you for answering me. But how is this sound articulated? It ain't just like a normal D. Where do I have to place my tongue to riproduce this suond? It's not a TH, so NOT with the tongue between the upper and lower teeth. So where??!! Sorry, but I really care for this. For f*ck sake..stick your tongue behind your top two teeth and say "brother". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Theft Grandpa Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 For f*ck sake..stick your tongue behind your top two teeth and say "brother". Exactly!! Good answer! @CJFL- If you`re not a native English speaker, take bagga`s advice. Mispronouncing the English "th" sounds just to sound cool does nothing but make you look (well, sound) like a f*cking moron. And yes, this includes native speakers as well. There are times when a native speaker can pronunce them slightly "off", but if you`re not a native, always try to prounounce them properly. If you ARE a native, I don`t know why you`d be asking such a question in the first place. And that`s all I have to say about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ 4 life Posted January 26, 2008 Author Share Posted January 26, 2008 No problem. It's somewhere in between "D" and "TH". More like placing your tongue against the back of your teeth rather than in between. Quite hard to explain, now I think about it. Thank you A TON!!! That's exactly what I was lookin for. More or less I knew that you have to place your tongue against the BACK of your teeth, but I wasn't COMPLETELY sure. So I was right, this is the so called dental D (rather than alveolar), present in the Italian language. I'm Italian, and in Italian all Ds are pronounced like this. @CJFL- If you`re not a native English speaker, take bagga`s advice. Mispronouncing the English "th" sounds just to sound cool does nothing but make you look (well, sound) like a f*cking moron. And yes, this includes native speakers as well. There are times when a native speaker can pronunce them slightly "off", but if you`re not a native, always try to prounounce them properly. If you ARE a native, I don`t know why you`d be asking such a question in the first place. And that`s all I have to say about that. Sorry, but da ghetto dialect iz too tight!!! I'm learnin dat here in Italy bah playin GTA SA. Thanks to y'all!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bagga rabbit Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 Sorry, but da ghetto dialect iz too tight!!! I'm learnin dat here in Italy bah playin GTA SA. Thanks to y'all!!! Wow..maybe you can start a trend..ghetto-talking dorks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ 4 life Posted January 26, 2008 Author Share Posted January 26, 2008 Sorry, but da ghetto dialect iz too tight!!! I'm learnin dat here in Italy bah playin GTA SA. Thanks to y'all!!! Wow..maybe you can start a trend..ghetto-talking dorks. Yeh, maybe (le's hope so, dat'd be coo'). Whah ya callin "us" dorks? Doncha like it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bagga rabbit Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 Sorry, but da ghetto dialect iz too tight!!! I'm learnin dat here in Italy bah playin GTA SA. Thanks to y'all!!! Wow..maybe you can start a trend..ghetto-talking dorks. Yeh, maybe (le's hope so, dat'd be coo'). Whah ya callin "us" dorks? Doncha like it? Here's a tip..leave the "ghetto-talk" in the ghetto..be yourself..not something you aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Theft Grandpa Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 Sorry, but da ghetto dialect iz too tight!!! I'm learnin dat here in Italy bah playin GTA SA.Thanks to y'all!!! Now I understand. You want to use this sh*tty ghetto-speak so you don`t have to learn how to pronounce English properly. You just want to substitute your Italian "D" for the "th" sounds. You want to be able to get away with grammar mistakes that even a 3rd grader wouldn`t make. You`ll likely be able to get away with that crap in Italia, since no one there will have a clue what you`re trying to say anyhow. Just a bit of advice...don`t use that on a native English speaker, because you`ll make a damn fool of yourself. Word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ 4 life Posted January 27, 2008 Author Share Posted January 27, 2008 Sorry, but da ghetto dialect iz too tight!!! I'm learnin dat here in Italy bah playin GTA SA.Thanks to y'all!!! Now I understand. You want to use this sh*tty ghetto-speak so you don`t have to learn how to pronounce English properly. You just want to substitute your Italian "D" for the "th" sounds. You want to be able to get away with grammar mistakes that even a 3rd grader wouldn`t make. You`ll likely be able to get away with that crap in Italia, since no one there will have a clue what you`re trying to say anyhow. Just a bit of advice...don`t use that on a native English speaker, because you`ll make a damn fool of yourself. Word. First of all, I know exactly how to pronounce English properly, I even know all the English phonetics. Standard American is boring though, so I had to decide which dialect to learn. I coulda chosen the Cockney one, pretty cool, but I opted for the ghetto one, cause I think it's the coolest and I have the whole GTA SA game to learn that. I'm sorry if it seems that way to you all Standard English-American speakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bagga rabbit Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 First of all, I know exactly how to pronounce English properly, I even know all the English phonetics. Standard American is boring though, so I had to decide which dialect to learn. I coulda chosen the Cockney one, pretty cool, but I opted for the ghetto one, cause I think it's the coolest and I have the whole GTA SA game to learn that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Theft Grandpa Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 First of all, I know exactly how to pronounce English properly, I even know all the English phonetics. Standard American is boring though, so I had to decide which dialect to learn. I coulda chosen the Cockney one, pretty cool, but I opted for the ghetto one, cause I think it's the coolest and I have the whole GTA SA game to learn that. I'm sorry if it seems that way to you all Standard English-American speakers. If you`re learning this accent just for fun, that`s fine. If you`re going to use it amongst friends and have no intention of ever setting foot inside the U.S. , no problem. I see that you can make the distinction between a normal "boring" American accent, and this other crap. I`m just trying to make you understand that if you come here using that sh*tty talk, with an Italian accent on top of that, you`ll not be taken seriously. Most Americans don`t mind an Italian accent, you should consider just keeping it. As for the Cockney accent, that`s British and opens up a whole other can of worms...Brits really take accents seriously. You sure can pick`em!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge_David Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 OMG WHO GIVES A SH*T!! Im waiting for someone to lock this topic.. Biggest waste of topic ever, its so petty.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ 4 life Posted January 28, 2008 Author Share Posted January 28, 2008 First of all, I know exactly how to pronounce English properly, I even know all the English phonetics. Standard American is boring though, so I had to decide which dialect to learn. I coulda chosen the Cockney one, pretty cool, but I opted for the ghetto one, cause I think it's the coolest and I have the whole GTA SA game to learn that. I'm sorry if it seems that way to you all Standard English-American speakers. If you`re learning this accent just for fun, that`s fine. If you`re going to use it amongst friends and have no intention of ever setting foot inside the U.S. , no problem. I see that you can make the distinction between a normal "boring" American accent, and this other crap. I`m just trying to make you understand that if you come here using that sh*tty talk, with an Italian accent on top of that, you`ll not be taken seriously. Most Americans don`t mind an Italian accent, you should consider just keeping it. As for the Cockney accent, that`s British and opens up a whole other can of worms...Brits really take accents seriously. You sure can pick`em!! Italian accent?! Hell no!! I already "worked" to lose that. Now I speak FAR better than my English teacher; I always notice her pronounciation errors and all. What you mean by saying that Brits take accents seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Struff Bunstridge Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 What you mean by saying that Brits take accents seriously? I was going to ask him that. As a Brit, I'm not sure what he means... We do have an enormous number of different accents considering what a small place it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenster Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Ameri...nacular_English Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Theft Grandpa Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Guys, what I mean by Brits being serious about accents is that every time I go to a language forum, the Brits are always talking about how your accent (in the U.K.) lets everyone know where you stand on the social ladder. For instance, an RP accent puts at or near the top, a Cockney means something different, etc. I remember that Brits on this site were arguing a few years back about Kent Paul`s accent; what it was, where he`d be from and so on. I concluded that Brits are very passionate about their accents, whereas Americans usually couldn`t care less. This all is what it is, and isn`t necessarily good or bad. I`m also very aware of the bewildering array of British accents. It seems as though every Brit I hear has a different accent. @CJ4L- If you`ve truly taken the time to lose your Italian accent, that`s good. Most people who learn English simply want to be understood, with no regard to how their English sounds to a native. You happen to speak Italian, which, IMO, doesn`t typically give the unpleasant accent in English that its relatives like Spanish, Portuguese, or French do. My point was that you, being an Italian speaker, can afford to keep your accent since it`s not too bad. If I ever learn a second language, I`ll do my best to lose my accent too, so I can`t blame you for doing the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Crook Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 the Brits are always talking about how your accent (in the U.K.) lets everyone know where you stand on the social ladder. For instance, an RP accent puts at or near the top, a Cockney means something different, etc. That used to be the case in the times of Eliza Doolittle and Professor Henry Higgins. Things have changed a bit since then. Now we even let someone with a Scottish accent be Prime Minister If any Brits were telling you that was still the case then they were winding you up Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Struff Bunstridge Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 Now we even let someone with a Scottish accent be Prime Minister Even though absolutely no-one voted for him... Steve's right, it's not deemed as important as it once was to have an accent that made you sound educated. My grandparents had proper country yokel accents and were given elocution lessons as children to make them sound less working-class. This is very sad, IMO, and I'm glad it doesn't happen much any more. I'm from London, but live towards the north of the country and my accent stands out a mile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrystallineAnt Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 Every people in this thread sounds like an pretending-to-be sports announcer. Onto further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ 4 life Posted January 29, 2008 Author Share Posted January 29, 2008 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Ameri...nacular_English You think I ain't checked it out yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bagga rabbit Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Ameri...nacular_English You think I ain't checked it out yet? Guess yo' gonna be one BAD bwoy..ya'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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