Writer's Story: The First Project

[Cubanwhip]

Well, since Miss Saltine was bitchin bout planning the story in her topic, I've moved it into it's own. This is where the planning goes and stuff and arguments over which is better, first or third, or if it should resemble that of an RP game and what the f*ck the plot is whether it be a bank heist os some epic story about a guy named Peter and his trip through the land of pornography and the people he meets. Anyways.

 

VOTES:

Third - 3

First - 3 (+9000)

 

So shoot guys and keep the stuff in here.

 

My idea:

No bank heist, seems overdone in movies and stuff. We are in a creativity capital here, we can think of something 100% better.

My choice - X amount of people living normal (well as normal as can be) lives and then bombs drop and now the world is nonexistent. From there, whatever. Free for all death match, reconstruction, whatever the hell you want.

Edited January 18, 2008 by Cubanwhip

[Love.Life]

im with you cubanwhip 1st persons better ( although i cant do it ) but it seems for me for a more gritty tale off whats going on as you can see 1st person wise what the characters are thinking and feeling all the time as you are seeing there view

 

you could do something like

 

Jimmys story

 

I shot the clerk in the 7/11 in his cheek and his chest

 

Peters story

 

I ate that bitch out like a motherf*cking wedding cake

 

that way everyone can get there story across but in 1st person if ya get me

 

 

but uh yeh

 

looking forward to reading

 

 

etc etc

[saltinespike]

Excuse me, I was bitching because you were spamming up my topic with your useless bitchfit debate. That's what I said to take to PMs, not the idea. So if you would like to grow up and stop being so damn self-righteous, we can talk like normal people. Grow up, what? Your little +9000 sh*t along with your ignoring everyone else is ignorant and immature.

 

EDIT: And what is the point of a vote? If we get third person, you and all the first-person people whine and quit. And vice versa.

Edited January 18, 2008 by saltinespike

[Oblivionz]

I don't think I'm gonna be part of the Collab story, but if my input counts, first person is the best way to write a story.

Stories in third person you can't describe thoughts and emotion, and the main character is like a robot, no feelings, etc.

[Cubanwhip]

Well that's what you get when you start ideas that need to be refined. You don't throw out an idea and everyone agrees and says "Hey that's fantastic! Let's do it just like that." But of course, when a debate breaks out, like they usually happen to help an idea, you say take it to PM. So now we got the official topic started so go and, you know, do whatever you do.

 

And why should I stop being "so damn self-righteous", I am awesome and I love myself. I love at myself in the mirror and wonder how I could be gifted with so much awesomeness and such a long schlong. So if you're not contributing to this, go back to your ideas topic.

 

Anyways, yeah, Love.Life, first person does show feelings and emotions and I don't know why everyone feels that every character has to be shallow and show no emotions.

 

And about that whole "they might get confused as to who's talking", if they see who each writer is and their character, how would they? I don't write story's for idiots, you know.

[Oxidizer]

Well, I ain't fussed with what you guys decided, as my default style of writing is in third person, but I recently read the most incredible fanfic which was written in first person and that really inspired me to oneday do something similiar, so.

 

But I'm probably gonna hold off before I decide whether or not I'll pitch in though, as I should concentrate on my own stuff, and it'll have to depend on the theme of the story, which as far as I know ain't been a 100% decided yet.

 

I'll keep an eye out though regardless.

[Cubanwhip]

I would prefer to do first person, 100%, but if I was forced, and had to, I would do third person, just to shut everyone the f*ck up.

 

Another thing with the plot would have to be something everyone can write. Some people like writing, dark, black humor stuff, while others like writing actions and adventure type stuff.

 

My basic map for this type of collab. effort would be:

 

X amount of characters introduce themselves, one chapter each, I guess (third person)

Then we start into how they meet, maybe divide chapters up? (first person)

Insert clever story arch and climax here

Conclusion; who dies, who lives; who backstabs, who gets away, etc.

 

The reason you switch it up from third to first would be to make it unique. Sure, it would be a weird transition to shift the point of view, but that's what makes it a unique story. It goes from "these are the characters and where they came from, now here is what is happening and what the character is going through". It will make the reader analyze each character and their motives. It go from just a story, to an indepth analysis of why each character does whatever action they do.

 

I don't write stories for the simple minded who love action with little detail, or quick story lines. I write stories that make you think and analyze motives and why someone does something. It will make the story that much more powerful.

 

Hmmm, and while I was typing that, I reviewed a past story plot outline I had scribbled down and lost. Street racing.

 

Not fast and furious or that kind of stuff, but something that has substance.

 

My Story in a nutshell: Kid finds a guy who is leader of street racing syndicate. Guy introduces kid and kid climbs ladder to become best. Kid discovers the hidden agenda of the street racers. Time travel. (Read the book Rant for a better understanding of why. It's sort of an homage to that book.) Then, the guy and kid go for a race on a cliff and the guy dies. BAW. The kid runs the street racing syndicate and is told, in detail what the time traveling is and researches it. He then discovers that the guy is really a time traveling version of himself. The kid goes back in time and relives the past as the guy and sets up the events in the book, only to end his life the same way he saw it before.

 

Now, I don't know how we can turn that into it, but something unique and out of the ordinary. Nothing like A to B to C and the result is D. Like A to B into C back to 0 to A to B to C to D.

Edited January 18, 2008 by Cubanwhip

[Pat]

I would prefer to do first person, 100%, but if I was forced, and had to, I would do third person, just to shut everyone the f*ck up.

Shut everyone the f*ck up? You're the one who keeps complaining.

 

 

Roberto Garcia says:

third person sucks

Roberto Garcia says:

period

 

This is a group project, it's not just "me me me I want this I want that I'm in charge because I said so my opinion is fact blah blah blah," like you seem to think. You want my honest opinion? I think you're being a selfish whiney bastard about this. You're not getting your way, so you've decided to whine and bitch until either A. We cancel the project, B. We give in, or C. Everyone leaves, you start the project, a bunch of noobs join, it turns into a sh*tfest and gets locked.

 

We go way back Roberto. We're old friends. I don't want this thing to tear us apart, but if you don't work on your attitude, I'm going to have to side with saltinespike.

[Oxidizer]

That's quite a good idea actually - about each person's character intro being written in first person and the rest (I'm guessing this is what you meant) written in third person. I think that'd be a win-win way to solve the problem regarding the decision of which style you'll choose.

 

And I especially like the idea of a street racing syndicate, even if it was just an example. Remember, if these characters all have different backgrounds and motives and come together to form some kind of team for whatever reason, you could easily use the best elements of everybody's ideas without making it the main plot. Like, and I'm using this as an example from yours, if you decided to use the street racing syndicate, maybe one or more of the other characters attend an illegal street race to find a certain recruit etc.

 

If you do stuff like that, it'll be simple and good for everyone, as you could virtually write about every genre. Then all you'll need to do is work out a main storyline/plot and the team of recuits' ultimate agenda.

[Eminence]

Hmmm. Way I see it, they're both just different ways of telling a story. Neither is better in its own right, as some here would try to state, apparently. I can't even begin to fathom an argument that one is scientifically proven 'better'.

 

I side with saltine immediately, not because he's hot, but because he's right. I've said it before and I'll say it again, CW, get off your high horse and realize there's more to life than you and your opinion.

[TonyZimmzy]

Umm...why not let the writer write in his own style? I mean, some people prefer third person over first, some people prefer writing in script rather than narrative, etc. etc..

 

This is why I never signed up for this 'community' project; too many egos, too much dicksucking and far too many problems in general. I'll avalanche you all.

[Oxidizer]

too much dicksucking

Since when was that ever a bad thing?

[TubbyJ]

Wassup, Em, great to see you back.

 

First off, I don't see who gave Cubanwhip the authority to create the topic, we were suppose to plan this out a little more carefully and it should've been a group decision to allow him to be topic starter.

 

Secondly, I can concede to the first-person character intro/third-person main story. It gives both parties a fair compromise, plus maybe it's the better route if we really want to delve into our character's mythos. That being said, I'd still like to go completely third-person. I have nothing against first-person, it's just that a writer can get way to into the "I thought this, I thought that" and before we know it we get a play-by-play of every f*ckin' thought and feeling the character has. We can figure out what people are thinking just by what the say and do and how they react, you don't have to bluntly state it (not even in first-person), it's completely amateur.

 

I also think this topic should be locked and we should get back to the drawing board before this gets out-of-hand and everyone loses interest and gets pissed off at eachother (which needless to say a lot of people already have).

 

By the way, I feel like all this arguing has happened before.

[Vercetti21]

 

Umm...why not let the writer write in his own style? I mean, some people prefer third person over first, some people prefer writing in script rather than narrative, etc. etc..

Because it's just like communism: although it is a good idea in theory, in reality it sucks balls.

 

We tried it with FTS and horribly disrupted the flow of the story. No one wants to read a bunch of "he's" and "she's", and then all of a sudden it shifts to "I's". No. We need to have one standard format that looks and sounds good. None of us want a sh*t story.

 

 

I also think this topic should be locked and we should get back to the drawing board before this gets out-of-hand and everyone loses interest and gets pissed off at eachother (which needless to say a lot of people already have).

 

Agreed. Discussion and the actual project itself go in one topic, as decided before, and salt is supposed to start it. Rushing into things only sh*ts up the forum.

Edited January 19, 2008 by Vercetti21

[Oxidizer]

Fair enough, but we might as well use this - if only temporarily - to plot the thing rather than making numerous threads about something that (let's face it - with the clashing of ideas an' all) may not happen.

[Vercetti21]

Alright so, first things first:

 

What is the setting of the story?

What is the plot?

What format will the story be written in? (*sigh*)

[Oxidizer]

Just to make life easier for all involved I'd hazard a guess that the best way to write this thing would be to have the character intros written in first person and the actual story in third. Other than that, I'm all out of suggestions.

 

Though I'll probably end up pitching in this Collab if the theme of the story has either badass or dark aspects to it.

[TubbyJ]

 

Though I'll probably end up pitching in this Collab if the theme of the story has either badass or dark aspects to it.

Believe me, if we stay focused and have solidarity and unity, it will. When I first thought the bank heist idea I immediately thought about 'Reservoir Dogs', which has a unique style and pacing.

 

I also liked your idea of keeping this open to discuss the story, we might as well not use up any more forum space.

[Oxidizer]

Well, the bank hesit idea could still work, if everyone involved was up for that. I mean, from the top of my head, using some of the examples used throughout this whole discussion, a member of a street racing syndicate could be recruited as the getaway driver, an ex soldier *cough* could be recruited either because of firearm skills or knowledge about security (depending on what that character's expertise was in the armed forces) etc.

 

I think once there's a proper solid plot and/or agenda for the team of characters (if they do become a team for that matter), then everything else will just fall into place naturally, and hopefully be good.

[Cubanwhip]

 

By the way, I feel like all this arguing has happened before.

 

Thanks, been looking for that to bookmark the epicness of that topic.

 

The point of this topic wasn't for the story, it was for discussion. Did you read the description?

 

Setting: 2000-present day. Somewhere in there. Or the eighties. God I love the eighties.

 

Plot: Up for grabs. I guess most people want bank heist.

 

Format: f*ck it. I'll do third. But let it be known, I like first better.

[Oxidizer]

I like first better.

U? S'rsly!?

[Cubanwhip]

I LIKE FIRST BETTER.

 

Oh snap, a heart attack? And two boobs to boot.

Why do you find such inconsiderate intricacies

So serious?

Habeeb it and believe it good sir

For you have a heart of gold

With your snuff and poetic justice

Be done and review that which you have so slowly

Killed?

That's right!

And a sheep is here in your living room

So meekly hidden

Just say yes and let your rod flow out

And that whore say yes!

Because you see

Oxi clean

Everything isn't as dirty as it seems.

[Oxidizer]

I am dumbfounded.

[TonyZimmzy]

I LIKE FIRST BETTER.

 

Oh snap, a heart attack? And two boobs to boot.

Why do you find such inconsiderate intricacies

So serious?

Habeeb it and believe it good sir

For you have a heart of gold

With your snuff and poetic justice

Be done and review that which you have so slowly

Killed?

That's right!

And a sheep is here in your living room

So meekly hidden

Just say yes and let your rod flow out

And that whore say yes!

Because you see

Oxi clean

Everything isn't as dirty as it seems.

What the f*ck? You've lost it man, you've snapped! I don't even know you anymore man! I don't even know you!

 

...Tie me to a chair...

[TubbyJ]

By the way, I feel like all this arguing has happened before.

 

Thanks, been looking for that to bookmark the epicness of that topic.

Wow, you're soooo cool.

 

Cubanwhip, your conceited and have a huge ego, and this whole thing will never work with you involved because you think your's is the only opinion and everyone else's is bullsh*t. You're putting a f*ckin' monkey wrench in this project, which you'll eventually do to the entire WD.

 

To put it in retrospect, if the WD was the Beatles you're Yoko Ono.

[Cubanwhip]

By the way, I feel like all this arguing has happened before.

 

Thanks, been looking for that to bookmark the epicness of that topic.

Wow, you're soooo cool.

 

Cubanwhip, your conceited and have a huge ego, and this whole thing will never work with you involved because you think your's is the only opinion and everyone else's is bullsh*t. You're putting a f*ckin' monkey wrench in this project, which you'll eventually do to the entire WD.

 

To put it in retrospect, if the WD was the Beatles you're Yoko Ono.

Oh wow, are you f*cking serious? It doesn't take much for me to just forget and go on. And I did just that. I went on and made a poem and whatever. Hell, I even said I'll do it in third.

 

BUT OH f*ck NO

 

Tubb f*ck-o over here has to bring it back up. And, oh really I'm conceited? I KNOW THAT, THAT'S THE JOKE. I know I'm f*cking conceited and I think it's awesome. I AM awesome and I know that you can't handle it all. That's why I bounce topics so much between here, Gen. chat, and SA Gen., A TOPIC CAN'T HANDLE ALL THIS.

 

Now if you can please, shut up and not bring it back up, I gotta fix yo gramma son, shiet!

 

 

Cubanwhip, your conceited and have a huge ego, and this whole thing will never work with you involved because you think your's is the only opinion and everyone else's is bullsh*t. You're putting a f*ckin' monkey wrench in this project, which you'll eventually do to the entire WD.

 

To put it in retrospect, if the /WD/ was the Beatles, you're Yoko Ono.

 

Now, it should say:

 

 

Cubanwhip, you're conceited and have a huge ego, and this whole thing will never work with you involved because you think your opinion dominates and everyone else's bullsh*t. You're putting a f*cking monkey wrench(????) in this project, which you will eventually do to the entire /WD/.

 

To put it in retrospect, if the /WD/ was the Beatles, you're John Lennon, because his awesomeness is through the roof.

 

Also, if you really understood, like Oxi and Tony and Oblivionz, I am a joke. But I'm a hot, sexy joke with a fifteen inch dick with an ego the size of Manhattan.

 

So if I'm killing /WD/ with my ruggedly good looks, then you're killing it with your grammar.

[Oxidizer]

fifteen inch dick

Wanna make some snuff, sénor?

 

On an on-topic note: why don't we just make up a character each with a small background and see if we can develope a plot from there? Because so far we're not getting anything done other than this rather sexually tense argument which I have no problem watching BTW.

[TonyZimmzy]

fifteen inch dick

Wanna make some snuff, sénor?

 

On an on-topic note: why don't we just make up a character each with a small background and see if we can develope a plot from there? Because so far we're not getting anything done other than this rather sexually tense argument which I have no problem watching BTW.

I totally rubbed one out over this. Cubanwhip vs. TubbyJ ftw.

 

I guess I have to offer some input for it to not count as spam. How about a story set in outer space! Aliens and sh*t! The protagonists can be 53 ft. tall aliens who only eat vegetables and bricks and cancer.

[Cubanwhip]

I love watching it to. The onyl way it gets intense is the same way I write Wanted. Oh f*ck, you know what's up.

 

 

Victor Ramirez:

Once, an ambitious architect, Victor Ramirez had his whole life ahead of him. A beautiful fiance, a mint 63 Chevy Sting Ray, and a two story house in suburbia. But after half his neighborhood is killed after he moves in, people suspect it was him, and they were half right, literally. Vic was diagnosed as being a sociopathic/schizo. One half is quite and mellow, and the other is murderous and knows how to handle a gun.

 

Well, that's the cheesiest sh*t I could come up with. I want to play the part as the insane guy with multi personalities, cause that's always fun!

[Oxidizer]

I totally rubbed one out over this. Cubanwhip vs. TubbyJ ftw.

I know right. Due to a very hard part of my anatomy, my desk is skyrocketing to the point of making plaster crumble from the ceiling. So f*ckin' hawt!

 

Ahem. Pre-cum aside, back to the discussion at hand.