Jail

[SaironX]

jail idea is good , but the time will be boring

i think if u do something and the cops but u in jail

the game time will be x3 fast

 

so u can do 2 days in just a couple of min

that's will be fun

[*C-Note*]

Maybe there will be an undercover mission,where you would have to kill a inmate and then your friends would get you out.

But I doubt that it will happen every time you get busted.

[Emm Ell]

I wish/ hope that you can go to jail. That would be sick. Then bribe the cops to let you out. Or when your driving like a mad man, you get pulled over not just shot at, or beaten with a night stick. And when you got pulled over you got a ticket/ fine. That would be so cool. Anyone agree? Any other idea's like this?

I don't want to go to jail in real life, so why the f*** would i want to go there in a videogame?

 

Sorry, but this jail shizz is getting REAL old REAL fast.

[ThomasPL]

I Dont know. Maybe Niko have green card. But if police busted him for killing people, sell drugs he lost his green card. And Nico has be criminal in his old country. That people can't get green card.

[CookPassBabtridge]

Emm Ell, your logic doesnt really add up there. The whole point of playing videogames is escapism. Do you not steal cars and shoot people in the game because you wouldnt in real life?

 

Im with Carpetdweller all the way, there is a lot of scope to be had from some kind of jail scenario

[MattyBoy]

The "Little jobs" would become nuisances and insanely dull. If you've ever played Just cause's side missions, little taskss such as hunting and killing a target or delivering a package, you would know how quickly these got boring.

 

I know in theory it sounds great, but imagine yourself playing GTAIV, your exploring a whole new city, theres cars to drive, big jobs to do, places to go, guns to shoot would you actually want to be locked up in a prison doing party games and standing in dinner lines??

 

Its one of those things that if it did exist, you would be like "Huh! Thats pretty cool!" the first time, however over months of GTA, would you still enjoy standing in dinner lines and delivering the same packages, to a different randomly generated person.

 

It would become a chore and thats not what GTA is about.

[Eddie280]

Also a few days of Jail crime tould be sooooo much less than what someone would get in real life for muredering 1000 people like my Niko would do.

 

EDIT: Actually i quite like the idea above, it also means you could stay there for as long as possible and do all the Prison things if you want. Also the ability to meet potential contacts would be brilliant. It would further blur the line between mission and none mission because you dont have take up these contracts but if you did you may get more money or even a different ending.

Edited January 16, 2008 by Eddie280

[CarpetDweller]

The first time I replied to a GTAIV prison topic was long before the first trailer so at that point I still had the cartoony way of the GTAIII generation in mind. We don't really know how the reality factor will balance with fun gameplay yet so my ideas might either fit the new way or not.

 

@ Supreme -

I think you may be interpreting what I posted earlier on a grander scale than I intended. I agree it should be about fun and getting in and out should be simple and quick.

You're right they can't really do a full size prison as that really could be a game by itself. They would have to create a jail that feels about the right size, but wouldn't really hold up in reality. Which is, I suppose, what they do with the cities now.

 

I used the example of the school in Bully. This is really the sort of thing I mean by how they should represent the prison.

In reality Bullworth Academy is incredibly small for that type of school, but there's enough there to give the feel of it.

 

I hadn't put much thought into the size of the bribe as I wanted to keep it a simple Yes/No option for the player. I did consider only having prison be offered as an option once you were busted while having 5 wanted stars or more. That way it would play just like the old games and you might not even know about going to prison unless you went on a proper rampage. This again resembles Bully in that the punishment is determined by the crime. In that game I was trying to get given the punishment detentions, but how ever much destruction I caused or how many prefects I beat up I couldn't get it. Then I realized that the 'more serious' crime of hitting little girls gains you the punishement really quickly.

 

When I talked about ways of escape I said

"There would be many different ways of achieving this ranging from subtle stealth to full out rampage and destruction or just simply bribe the guard to release you."

I think I need to make my point clearer here.

 

Escaping the Prison

If you just want to leave the prison quickly then all you would have to do is go to your cell and go to the bed. In my version saving is like sleeping. So you go to sleep (save) screen fades to black and as well as the usual options about which save file you want to use you are offered "CASE DISMISSED"( for example) as an option. If you choose this the screen changes and you are outside the prison gates free to go. That's your instant way to get out.

 

However, what I meant by the above quote was that escape would be a fun thing to do while free-roaming. The game would allow me to escape in other ways if I took the time to explore and formulate a plan. They wouldn't be scripted, they wouldn't always work. There would just be possible ways for us to reach the outside world which we use how we like. These include hidden panels that allow access to the areas that are supposed to be out of bounds (think the last part of 'Portal'). It would also include overhearing things the guards say to know who can get you to certain areas. You would know where you can get hold of weapons and how to create distractions. In the same way as some people have fun in the GTA cities just trying things for fun, how you escape is totally up to you. Not obeying the rules would likely be the thing you do most in prison.

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It was mentioned about it being boring and having to stand in line in the lunch queue. If I use the Bully reference again. In Bully I attended the school for a full year without ever waiting in a lunch line. 'Reality' and the mundane aspects of ordinary life do not have to be the main focus of the game. I see it as a fun adventure that FEELS more gritty and realistic, but it's still just a game.

 

In short - I don't see prison as a place where you're going to want to go again and again. I just see it as an extra level that opens up more opportunities for fun in the life of a struggling criminal. The main point I feel this feature hinges on in a GTA game is that we can enjoy it or just leave.

Maybe it should just be introduced halfway through the normal storyline and you are forced to go for one mission. Then if you ever want to go back you have to get at least a 5-star wanted level and then choose the prison option.

 

It's just like an extra set of optional missions within an unlockable area. The missions could follow a self-contained branch of the storyline or directly influence your experience once you're out again. The other 'mundane' prison job side missions are as boring, entertaining or exciting as Rockstar make them.

Edited January 16, 2008 by carpetdweller

[Emm Ell]

 

Emm Ell, your logic doesnt really add up there. The whole point of playing videogames is escapism. Do you not steal cars and shoot people in the game because you wouldnt in real life?

 

Im with Carpetdweller all the way, there is a lot of scope to be had from some kind of jail scenario

My logic doesn't add up?

 

Prison ''break-outs'' are very rare, or on TV programmes, this goes with R*'s realism approach?

 

In jail you spend the majority of your day in a cell, the rest you work or get educated. This is not fun. My ''logic'' was that i didn't want to go to jail because you don't break out, it's way too far fetched.

 

Whereas in-game (and reality ) stealing cars and shooting people would be fun..although i don't find jail appealing tbh.

 

Basically, a ''jail sequence'' wouldn't fit the realism approach if you broke out, therefore it should not be done. (I doubt Niko would be in for a minor offence also)

Edited January 16, 2008 by Emm Ell

[CookPassBabtridge]

This whole thing of realism gets blown way out of proportion, people have took it the wrong way. The game will probably be more sophisticated in some ways, but its not going to suddenly emulate real life.

[Jimmarn]

Oh my god. ANOTHER one.

 

For the last f*cking time: Jail would be a waste of your time. When you're just f reeroaming, you don't want any delay between the time of death/arrest between getting back on the streets to play again. After the 4th time, all of the "fun" would wear off and it would become tedious.

 

Someone should organize a thread of "You're an idiot if you ask these questions:"

calm down...

no need to be rude

 

allthough i don't think it's going to happen i like it that you just get outside when youre "released"

[Emm Ell]

This whole thing of realism gets blown way out of proportion, people have took it the wrong way. The game will probably be more sophisticated in some ways, but its not going to suddenly emulate real life.

None of us have played the game, perhaps you're right, perhaps you're wrong.

 

Either way...jail break-outs are a cliche/deus ex machina

[CookPassBabtridge]

i cant see that break outs would be any more cliche than most other gta activities. i think as long as a prison feature was optional (eg. press x to skip etc) then it could add more interest.

 

No diss to you though Emm Ell, i am just suprised sometimes how fans may react to change

[Emm Ell]

i cant see that break outs would be any more cliche than most other gta activities. i think as long as a prison feature was optional (eg. press x to skip etc) then it could add more interest.

 

No diss to you though Emm Ell, i am just suprised sometimes how fans may react to change

Yer no worries dude, i see your point, it's as valid as any others.

 

[Jobbie]

 

mabye it could be like oblivion and you can just sleep til you get released which is ussually a couple of days

Pfft...sleeping is for wusses! Jk

 

I say, it ought to be real jail time. And that means beating up your cellmate for the top bunk, avoiding being shanked in the lunch line with a sharpened spoon, and working out so you can turn into a buff guy.

Yeah tottaly what I mean't. Like you have to stay in jail for like a few in game days. You have to like eat, and go outside play b-ball with gangsters. Get your ass kicked/ raped.

 

Or maybe R* should make it super realistic so when you get busted for killing cops and such you will recive a life time sentence and will play the rest of the game in jail unless you had uprotected sex with a prossy and she got preggers and you could play as your child

 

what do you think of that... I bet you are gonna have an orgazim now

[jeblynkst]

Having jail time in Grand Theft Auto IV would be like you sitting in front of a white wall, and staring at it... It's boring, completely pointless, and not to mention, you could be doing funner things.

just like in the real world going to jail is pointless

[rrool]

 

When you go to jail in VC, you can hear Ken Rosenberb bail you out of jail with his 'Tommy Vercetti is Innocent!' and such. I think you may have to have an excuse now to get out of jail, since there is a calendar.

I would'nt want a 'jail' to walk around and get bored in. I like the old way of Busted and Wasted, just appearing at the hospital or at the Police Station. You actually had money taken off you for the police if I can remember properly, so you most likely had bribed them.

wow....you kill all the state of san andreas and you still can bribe cops....

no.

my idea is reload automaticly the game or have friends that get you out...........................................sorry 4 the english

[Gooners-jay-and-scott]

I would like to go to prison if i have been arrested for a serious crime, but only if it optional (You pay the bribery fee or you go prison).

 

Also if you do go prison after serious crimes then they would have to arrest you with handcuffs when you get caught, then you could have a feature where you can try and excape free of the arresting officer, The Warriors come to mind

[Emm Ell]

Just found this in an old Gamespot preview an thought i'd post.

 

 

We didn't get to see what happens after you die, but Rockstar said the process of getting apprehended or killed will result in trips to the jail or hospital, respectively, similar to the process in past games.

 

Link

[Sleepyking]

FTW!!!1

LOL

But I would like there to b a mission in which niko goes to jail to meet a connect for some information

[sidny]

RED THIS NOW!!!!!!

 

ive got an alternative for people who like this

idea and people who dont

 

1. niko should be able to buy a "get out of prison card" from a dirty cop well not exactly a card but you know what i mean. somthing that ables him to get him out of prison straight away.

 

e.g nikos about to start a mission so befor he does he (you as the character) have buy a bribe that will alow you to get out of prison like how tennpenny let cj go free after the shootout in SA.

 

2. if you dont have enough money for the bribe youl have to do the mission without it and risk going to jail for a long time.

 

the bribe should cost alot of money

(which makes the game harder)

[Jobbie]

 

RED THIS NOW!!!!!!

 

ive got an alternative for people who like this

idea and people who dont

 

1. niko should be able to buy a "get out of prison card" from a dirty cop well not exactly a card but you know what i mean. somthing that ables him to get him out of prison straight away.

 

e.g nikos about to start a mission so befor he does he (you as the character) have buy a bribe that will alow you to get out of prison like how tennpenny let cj go free after the shootout in SA.

 

2. if you dont have enough money for the bribe youl have to do the mission without it and risk going to jail for a long time.

 

the bribe should cost alot of money

(which makes the game harder)

I remember a preview a while back, it was somthing to do with niko shouting a guy in an office. Anyway, im sure he(Niko) was working for a dirty cop!

 

 

This is just somthing i thought id add

Edited January 17, 2008 by Jobbie

[Creed Bratton]

Jail time can be cool if they make it worth your while. Someone said 80% buildings will be accessible.

 

How about this

 

You are in jail. You could have some fights there as a mini game to earn some money or to improve your fighting skills

 

Or, you could meat some guys there that can give you secret locations or houses you can break into without a sweat and find something valuable like weapons, drugs, money, or some random stuff in case they return burglary missions. Now this idea of realism makes sense and it can actually benefit to players. I know I would like it, and I'm not a fan of realism

 

And after you get busted enough times to find out all the informations and learn all the fighting skills (something like hidden packages just different) you could then just skip the jail and get back on the street immediately without your weapons and some money loss like in previous GTAs.

Edited January 17, 2008 by GTAvanja

[Emm Ell]

Please just lock this topic.

 

JAIL WILL NOT HAPPEN. R* said themselves it will similar if not identical to previous GTAs.

 

 

Do not make me draw for the [email protected]

[CarpetDweller]

 

Please just lock this topic.

 

JAIL WILL NOT HAPPEN. R* said themselves it will similar if not identical to previous GTAs.

 

 

Do not make me draw for the [email protected]

Believe it or not I don't think that most of the ideas we talk about on this forum will make it into the games. It doesn't mean we can't discuss the "what ifs" and how these ideas could work or the reasons why they can't.

 

We're here for discussion. If you don't wan't to talk about it then don't.

 

Why did you bump the topic 5 hours after the last post just to say it should be locked. If you have a reason to lock it tell a moderator. They're the only ones that can lock it for you.

 

BTW -

"R* said themselves it will similar if not identical to previous GTAs."

not the same as

[Gamespot said that] Rockstar said the process of getting apprehended or killed will result in trips to the jail or hospital, respectively, similar to the process in past games.

 

It's only a subtle difference, but I see rumours start here like that all the time. Just check out GTAvanja's "Someone said 80% buildings will be accessible" post above. I remember that someone. He was just another speculating know-nothing like the rest of us.

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I don't expect a prison, but I've suggested a way it could work without necessarily effecting the game we already know. It's not perfect, I know. Maybe they'll use something resembling a jail, or not. Maybe in the next game. Who knows?

[Hobo-Lord]

i dont like the idea of going to jail like you do in oblivion. That would ruin the game