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Canofceleri

Why is Africa so f*cked?

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Canofceleri

Something I've been thinking about. Africa is f*cked. Of all the countries in the world the 25 worst and most poor and f*cked up countries are all in Africa. From the genocide in Darfur, the f*cked up sh*t in Uganda, and Zimbabwe which has seen the sh*tiness of their dollar go from 38 to 1 compared to the US in 1999 plummet to now 5000 to 1. That's just to name a few... and there's always Ethiopia.

 

So why is Africa so f*cking sh*te? Mass government corruption? Effects of the slave trade? What? This is a tough world anywhere and there are many regions in the world that have their problems... none come close to Africa in my opinion.

 

I don't want this thread to be about this next point and this next point alone, which I could see happening due to the nature of what I'm about to say. I try and be as honest as possible without sugarcoating... I'm not gonna be a bitch and not say something I believe or have a theory about just because some people are overly sensitive and will take it the wrong way. If I'm wrong and I'm a dumbass and you completely disagree and you tell me why you think this theory is incorrect I would want nothing less than that... don't blindly call me a racist if you don't know what you're talking about... and you know what, most of you probably wont.

 

All I'm saying is that there are physical differences in people of different races. It is a fact that we are all built differently, from facial bone structure to what kinds of diseases we're susceptible to (I don't have sickle cell anemia because I'm not black or hispanic). So why wouldn't we assume that those differences extend to our brains? It seems clear to me... Africa has some f*cked up problems, a lot of f*cked up problems. And I'm not saying that a black person can't get on in the world, many in my country are just as successful as anyone or are as cool as anyone. But it seems to me that there is some correlation between browness of a certain people and a sh*ttiness of their country. Look at how f*cked up Africa is, look how poor and f*cked up a lot of South America is, look at many many Asian countries including India, countries in the Middle East, and so on. Now look at Europe... I mean yes, f*cked up sh*t goes on anywhere because at the end of the day people are f*cked up in the head in general and government will become corrupt because people run the government. But, in general I'd say brown civilization has a clear disadvantage and that has proved true even over the centuries... I mean, the Natives were just chilling doing their own thing and didn't have much going on besides simple tribal life... it was the whites (and unjustifiably so I believe, no excuse to the atrocity of what happened) that had the means to expound on their end of civilization and the drive I think inhenerent to them to do that at all costs whether ethical or not. Yes, civilizations like the Mayans did make great contributions to the human canon of progress... but when you factor in early Greek thought, Roman technology, etc. etc. you can see the contrast.

 

Feedback? I claim to be no expert or authority on this matter, I'm just speaking from my own observation on my limited knowledge of the subject. Just seems like common sense to me. What other commentaries on Africa's dismal status do you guys have?

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Eviscero

I think it's more regional than racial. It's clear that it's easier to live in a temperate zone like most of Europe and North America. For humans, they are just more habitable areas. One theory is that civilization developed faster (and is more developed today) in areas like those because the people haven't had to worry about day to day survival ever since they developed the first tools.

 

Another theory has to do with the animals found in Europe during human migrations. The cattle and like found in Europe were much easier to tame and put to good use (IE farming) than were the animals in jungles of Africa.

 

I'd say it's certainly not a racial thing or genetic thing because once Africans or South Americans have been taken out of their underdeveloped countries and put into first world societies, they are just as capable.

 

So yeah, regional, not racial. There are no real scientific differences in the brain structure of white men and black.

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Canofceleri

Very good theory, dude. I love just thinking sh*t up like that.

 

But almost in combination of what you said before, I think it might be a mix of the two. We adapt to our surroundings... think of what they'd have to do for meat in Africa 100,000 years ago. I'm suggesting that behavior still hasn't fully shifted but I think as time goes by it will become less apparent, especially over the next 200 or 300 years.

 

And again it's not a negative thing, I could see someone not knowing where I am coming from and thinking I'm a complete racist. I honestly could give a f*ck about that kind of thing as I get nothing out of feeling like one race is superior... it's theorizing on what might be an objective truth that wouldn't good or bad either way... just in how it relates to a certain species of animal. I mean, certain dogs are built for something and not for others, I think it goes the same way. I think it's understandable to see the condition Africa is in right now if you look at it that way... if that particular race is less suited for complexities like government and large scale civilization it is easy to see how they'd be surpassed and overwhelmed by global government and end up in the dire situation they're in. The African commoner, the millions of them, really have no chance whatsoever against a corrupt government... they're like sitting ducks.

 

-EDIT-

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence

 

Some interesting stuff I just found ^. I didn't read all of it yet. I did read where they did IQ tests to measure different races. Asians averaged best, followed by whites, then Hispanics, then blacks. They even showed averages of blacks in Africa and the USA, the ones in USA did about 15 points better on average I think but were still about 20 points behind the white average.

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nlitement

I'll answer your long question with one word (didn't read the second part of your post, by the way):

 

Overpopulation.

 

 

Also, speaking of South America, they're the most diverse in the world. Argentina's mostly European, Brazil, Mexico, Venezuela and most countries though have an interracial native/European population. Compare their stats. It should correlate.

 

I've thought of that too, but you know why I never bring it up? It's the idiots who call everything "racist" every time, every where, and I bet that some asshole will soon post a reply to this thread saying it. They're even coining terms like "AGE RACISM", as if racism is suddenly the new word for any kind of discrimination. Christ's sake. suicidal.gif

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DemonKing

Africa's really bad.

 

Been there about 3 times for a long period of time.

 

This next part may sound racist to many but believe me it's a fact for most people.

As you all know Africa is the worst place in the world for A.I.D.S, you see it's very dangerous there because, often you could walk down the street and get mugged by someone, even if you give up whatever you are carrying, they will most likely bite you, and see the thing is with A.I.D.S in saliva, to get A.I.D.S orally you have to drink like about 10 gallons, but if saliva enters your bloodstream, you could well likely get A.I.D.S. But even worse than that, there are some people who will bite you purely to give you A.I.D.S, they won't even bother to mug you. They do this as they have nothing to lose.

 

so yeah in short Africa is stuffed up.

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Claude GTA3

1. Overpopulation

 

2. Diseases

 

3. No vegetation is able to grow (atleats not where humans live).

 

4. Hunger.

 

There's alot of reasons why it's so f*cked.

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DemonKing
1. Overpopulation

 

2. Diseases

 

3. No vegetation is able to grow (atleats not where humans live).

 

4. Hunger.

 

There's alot of reasons why it's so f*cked.

I'm gonna go ahead and assume, you know nothing about Africa.

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Claude GTA3
1. Overpopulation

 

2. Diseases

 

3. No vegetation is able to grow (atleats not where humans live).

 

4. Hunger.

 

There's alot of reasons why it's so f*cked.

I'm gonna go ahead and assume, you know nothing about Africa.

True,because I don't care.

 

Those were just speculations.

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Eviscero

Shut up.

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nlitement

 

there are some people who will bite you purely to give you A.I.D.S, they won't even bother to mug you. They do this as they have nothing to lose.

That's just retarded. Is it really true?

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The Unvirginiser

In the racist words of my old Grandad:

 

"The n****** (black people) were the last for their tail to drop off, Africa has the richest soil in the world and the n****** are too stupid to know how to mine it!"

 

I do not neccecarily agree with this, but thats what a lot of people think. confused.gif

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Eviscero
there are some people who will bite you purely to give you A.I.D.S, they won't even bother to mug you. They do this as they have nothing to lose.

That's just retarded. Is it really true?

 

 

And Eviscero, what the hell are you talking about?

I wasn't talking about anything, I was talking to Claude GTA3. Maybe I should have quoted.

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Canofceleri
In the racist words of my old Grandad:

 

"The n****** (black people) were the last for their tail to drop off, Africa has the richest soil in the world and the n****** are too stupid to know how to mine it!"

 

I do not neccecarily agree with this, but thats what a lot of people think. confused.gif

Thank you for that.

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Ph3L1z14n0

If you take a good look most of the leaders in Africa are either revolutionists or military, so as for me, it's the same story over and over again about the powerful general who believes he can fix his country with an iron fist and leaves destruction in his wake.

 

I seriously wouldn't know why it would be because their black bored.gif ? i know you're not trying to be racist (candarelli), but even if it correlates (nlitement) there are still way too many variables involved to say that both race and "war" just as an example, have a direct casual relation.

 

Fantastic topic by the way icon14.gif

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illspirit

My Gross Oversimplification™

 

Up until a few decades ago, most of the continent was covered by European colonies. As decolonization took place, civil wars ensued to fill the power vacuum. Historically speaking, this tends to happen for centuries after large empires and such fall apart.

 

Continued interference by international busybodies (perhaps because they feel guilty about the whole colonial thing) hasn't helped matters much either. For instance, the above mentioned genocide in Uganda and Sudan (and Rwanda, Congo, etc..) have been carried out in furtherance of a UN-backed arms control treaty. In some cases, the death squads have been "inadvertently" funded by the UN itself. Naturally, the proposed goal of the treaty is to prevent civil wars, but it seems they feel that sometimes you just have to break a few proverbial eggs to prevent "non-state actors" from having the ability to resist their "legitimate," despotic governments.

 

Not to mention hippie/enviro-nazi interlopers "protecting" people from various pesticides and genetically modified crops which would probably help a lot on the disease and famine fronts.

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Ph3L1z14n0
Up until a few decades ago, most of the continent was covered by European colonies. As decolonization took place, civil wars ensued to fill the power vacuum. Historically speaking, this tends to happen for centuries after large empires and such fall apart.

No offense to any british folk in this forum, i know there's a lot, but what illspirit said is actually a consequence of WWII, when Churchill, Truman and Stalin divided the world, Churchill realized he wouldn't get his colonies back! so the british government made the border divisions irresponsibly, dividing countries with straight lines, this caused that many cultures who had been rivals and hated each other were now living in the same country!!!

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Canofceleri

Ol' Winston was too drunk, eh?

 

I'm digging this though. Not too often that I actually learn something on these forums.

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Hayden Stasven
In the racist words of my old Grandad:

 

"The n****** (black people) were the last for their tail to drop off, Africa has the richest soil in the world and the n****** are too stupid to know how to mine it!"

 

I do not neccecarily agree with this, but thats what a lot of people think. confused.gif

That's ignorance for ya. Trace it back 50,000 years and we all originate from the one tribe... in Africa. They were the first to become human. They didn't need to learn new technologies to keep them warm and grow food because they everything they would ever need right there.

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Straznicy

A lot of African countries took out massive loans from Western nations such as the UK and American in the 1970s, and because of corruption, ensuing problems, civil unrest etc. they're still unable to pay back the debt. That's why you see the "one-percenter" scenario in so many African nations, with the rulers living the high life and everyone else in absolute sh*t. There's always been a vicious cycle of lack of education, lack of health and ultimately lack of well-being in the continent, hence the problem was simply to widespread to combat effectively (doesn't help when most of the funds are being squandered on Ferrari's either.) But that's just where the majority of Africa's modern problems directly spawn from, it goes way back to the aforementioned colonialisation and slave trade conducted by European settlers, and that trade was always based on the greed of those in power. Chieftains sold their own people to the slave merchants in exchange for capital.

 

Now a lot of people seem to think that Africa's always been a sh*thole, but it hasn't. Right up until the 1500s vast kingdoms like The Mandingo Empire existed, and African's were among the first Ancient civilisations to develop techniques that are still in play today. They are not mentally insuperior in any way, shape or form to other races - that's just Western perception if honestly believe that to be the case. There is no credible evidence which proves fundamental differences in human races. If one race happens to have generally higher intelligence than the other it's a societal difference. Look at Japan for example, they value devotion to work and striving to be the best you can. That's got bugger all to do with their racial makeup being Oriental, and the same applies to Africans finding themselves in their present situation.

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Gouveia

I think it starts at the time of 1500, when Brazil was discovered. The portugueses used a lot of african tribes to kill and capture the other tribes for alcoholic drink, and the captured tribes came to Brazil, unfortunately, to become slaves. It was like a currency at the time, the higher the number of slaves, the richer you are. But then came Princess Isabel and stopped with that bullsh*t. I think with that, the black race lost a lot of respect from the Europeans, and the Europeans began to think that black people were inferior.

 

Recently, a lot of things happens to Africa because of the Civil Wars. They happen because of European interest on diamonds, called Conflict/Blood diamonds by local people. Because of those diamonds, the Guerilla kills people to get'em and sells them to the Europeans, getting money, weapons and supplies.

 

You can see, it's a sad story that happened in the colonization of America. You can clearly see that one story leads to another, and they all start at Europe, not offending people from there.

 

You can say they have the richest soil, but hey, the black people aren't respected even on their continent. All the inhumanity. icon13.gif

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gizmo

Africa is f*cked up because of GREED. (and capitalism.)

 

Who invented greed? White people.

 

When "settlers" from Europe traveled to America the Natives took them in peace and wanted to share their knowledge and grow. The Europeans saw profit and monetary gain so they took the land and resources.

 

In Africa there are DIAMONDS. Do those countries that mine diamonds take the profits and spend them on bettering the country and furthering knowledge and education? No. Most of the diamond money doesn't even stay in Africa, it is dispersed elsewhere throughout the world. What little money left is fought over by those in power, those who want/need the money to survive. Most of the diamond money that is spent in Africa goes to military expenses by guerrilla /rebel armies. They spend it on weapons so they can have POWER.

 

The same things happening in Africa happened in the Americas, the Middle East, eastern and western Europe, and Asia. The only difference is the time in which it is happening. All the other major continents of Earth have already gone through a major power struggle and Africa is going through it now. One day Africa will have "peace" like the rest of the world but it will take many years of murder and suffering for that to materialize.

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Rastaja

I beleive Africa is the cradle of human civilization... so it's karma for how screwed up mankind really is. sarcasm.gif

 

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nlitement

 

Africa is f*cked up because of GREED. (and capitalism.)

 

Who invented greed? White people.

 

When "settlers" from Europe traveled to America the Natives took them in peace and wanted to share their knowledge and grow. The Europeans saw profit and monetary gain so they took the land and resources.

It had nothing to do with "whites".. nice try, racist. As if pre-Greek (= European) civilizations were completely alien to concepts such as "greed", "money", "war", "hate", "invasion", "imperialism" or any other vices.

 

The only reason that dumb sh*t Columbus went sailing west was in hope of finding India for some sauce and l33t spice (instead, he got his ass ravaged back at home, what a dumbass anyway, calling Caribbeans "Indians"). In other words, he was looking for wealth. Spaniards were looking for gold and found some, and the British came after them to the East, finding nothing. You should know that there were hostile and hospital American tribes alike.

 

You're suggesting that white people are inherently more greedy than other people. Racism much?

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Rastaja
Africa is f*cked up because of GREED. (and capitalism.)

 

Who invented greed? White people.

 

When "settlers" from Europe traveled to America the Natives took them in peace and wanted to share their knowledge and grow. The Europeans saw profit and monetary gain so they took the land and resources.

It had nothing to do with "whites".. nice try, racist. As if pre-Greek (= European) civilizations were completely alien to concepts such as "greed", "money", "war", "hate", "invasion", "imperialism" or any other vices.

 

The only reason that dumb sh*t Columbus went sailing west was in hope of finding India for some sauce and l33t spice (instead, he got his ass ravaged back at home, what a dumbass anyway, calling Caribbeans "Indians"). In other words, he was looking for wealth. Spaniards were looking for gold and found some, and the British came after them to the East, finding nothing. You should know that there were hostile and hospital American tribes alike.

 

You're suggesting that white people are inherently more greedy than other people. Racism much?

There were three things that motivated Europeans to explore the New World (+ Africa)...

 

Gold - Riches

God - Religious converts

Glory - For their respected country... because the European powerhouse despised eachother at the time.

 

@ Juvenille - I wouldn't say that. Ethiopia is the only non - colonized African country, and it's still got it's own f*cked up problems.

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gizmo

Ethopia has problems because they are having power struggles. Whoever incites the most fear in Ethopia's people yet can unite them for a good cause will eventually emerge as their leader. Although there will be many murders and deaths to accomplish this.

 

You call me racist when I attack white people but when you attack black people it's not racism? Hmm...(I don't believe anything in this topic that's been said has had racist motives, they're merely opinions or facts to get a thought across).

 

Just so you know, I am "white"...I just have no indifference to skin color.

 

No culture is immune to greed. White people in history are just more greedy than others.

 

The Library of Alexandria was in AFRICA and it held all the knowledge of the ancient world. I'd bet my life white people burned it down, every time.

 

But more back on topic...

 

I don't see a direct correlation of skin color to intelligence. There are plenty of third world persons who have come to countries with more opportunities and have flourished while people that were born in the opportune country squander their opportunities.

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Typhus

What f*cks Africa? AIDS. Safe sex or abstinence is the only answer to this problem. Plus they need more awareness of sanitation. Do they have sewerage systems? Because if not they really need to get that sorted. In London there was once an epidemic of cholera. The reason was the lack of good sewers. Human waste cannot just be thrown on the streets where children play. You need a good toilet system. Clean drinking water is also a must and I don't think I have to explain why. But ultimately the biggest way to help them is by military occupation. Their leaders steal our aid and the people are too beset by problems to help themselves. If we set up a Westernised democracy we can impart the superiority of our culture onto these confused and bewildered people and give them a better standard of life. That cannot be through any other means then force. But for the sake of our soldiers, who've been real good sports about this whole "Die for no reason" thing, I suggest covert assassins. Imagine it, Mugabe poisoned and replaced by a more Democratic leader. The country could have a turnaround. It would take a while but it could happen. You cannot build nations with silk gloves. It takes the sword and the olive branch. They sort out their internal government their quality of life will improve. Democracy must be an absolute. There must be no chance of them slipping back into the bad old days. And since we started helping these people it is only fair to finish the job and either assassinate or imprison the leaders who have squandered YOUR money on their vulgar, decadent, empty little lives. Those who live in finery whilst their compatriots starve. They are no better than filth, they are corrupt, whoring, murdering bastards and it's time that we took control if they are unwilling to do the right thing. Is it our right to interfere? Of course not. The wolrd is not ours to better. But we started this. We unwillingly aided these monsters and so kept people in poverty and pain. If we started we must finish. And this time no bleeding hearts, no misguided idealists, no two-faced cultural traitors can stand in the way.

Justice in Africa will come when the blood of the guilty is smeared on our hands.

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Iminicus

I don't think there is any one reason Africa is f*cked up. I think it is the culummitive result of many different ones. What they are is anyone's guess. It could be because of European Colonization ( But then why isn't America also f*cked up in the same way Africa is? Or India? Or Australia? South America? ). It could be because of AIDS. Or it is because of greed between the local ruling bodies. Whatever it is, debating the problem won't create a result and peaceful solution.

 

How about we talk about solutions to this International problem. I'll start.

 

I think the first thing we need to do to get Africa onto a path of peaceful cooperation is; Set up a single unified governing body. Africa needs all its seperate governments to be united and all member states to join and renounce themselves as one. If this means a United Africa, so be it. It will be for the best. Second, richer nations need to not give Aid money, but build infrastructure. Put in telephone lines, waterways, sewage, electricity and the likes. Also, all African debt should be erased so that the economy can flourish and not be held back by ever growing debt.

 

All schools need to be brought up to the same standard in education and building code. Hospitals need to be established and opened. Richer nations need to staff the hospitals and schools until Africans are trained to do so.

 

The diamond trade needs to be given to African companies as it is probably Africa's biggest export. This would keep the money made from the sale of diamonds in Africa, which in turn would drive the economy.

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Chickstick
The Library of Alexandria was in AFRICA and it held all the knowledge of the ancient world. I'd bet my life white people burned it down, every time.

 

 

I don't see what that has to do with this discussion. The Library was, if memory serves, built by the Greeks, wasn't it?

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Ph3L1z14n0
White people in history are just more greedy than others. I'd bet my life white people burned it down, every time.

Nice joking there colgate.gif .................right? bored.gif

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Canofceleri
White people in history are just more greedy than others. I'd bet my life white people burned it down, every time.

Nice joking there colgate.gif .................right? bored.gif

White people aren't more greedy, only Jews. Hey, why do Jews watch porno being rewind? Because they get off to the part where the hooker gives the guy his money back! Oh!

 

No really, I don't think whites are more greedy. I think it depends on an individual's situation. You take an Ethiopian who lives in a hut and doesn't know when he will be able to eat next and then take some guy making two hundred grand a year in London... obviously those two people will have different wants and different worries... at the end of the day we all need something to bitch about no matter our situation, which is why Woody Allen whines.

 

But I do love Woody Allen

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