hawkstorm182 Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 (edited) I just wanted a few opinions from uk gamers and gamers from other pal locations of course, about how they feel they are treated by companies compared to the u.s. and japan We know sony neglect uk fans with a ps3 release date like 4 monthes after everywhere else, now us stores are offering special Incentives for pre ordering gtaIV with them. The U.S gets the majoraty of games monthes before pal players and i can see no reason for this, just because the games are made over there does not mean they should be released there and in japan etc first. R* are a british company yet the original release date would have U.S, gamers recieving there copies of gta IV 2 or 3 days before pal customers. I am not having a go at U.S gamers so i dont want a bunch posting "bitter gamer" etc. this more a message to game developers etc. and just to get the feelings of uk and pal gamers on the issue and see if this annoys them as much as it does me., NOTE THE GTA IV Part so dont lock, it is gta related. U.S and other gamers not from pal locations also feel free to comment. Edited December 31, 2007 by hawkstorm182 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/305445-are-uk-and-pal-customers-left-out/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruePiMs Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 (edited) That's the point I don't like with video games, there's always delay between USA, Asia and Europe, especially in France, see with Gran Turismo or the Dualshock 3 !!! Edited December 31, 2007 by TheTruePiMs Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/305445-are-uk-and-pal-customers-left-out/#findComment-1057368998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkstorm182 Posted December 31, 2007 Author Share Posted December 31, 2007 That's the point I don't like with video games, there's always delay between USA, Asia and Europe, especially in France, see with Gran Turismo or the Dualshock !!! yep i know i would love to know the reason. if there is one or they just neglect pal terrortories. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/305445-are-uk-and-pal-customers-left-out/#findComment-1057369005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Symbiote666 Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 It is a little annoying that we have to wait longer than everyone else, but man, it has saved me £100's in buying games that I would have bought on release.. When you see the reviews and realise it's just a rent, you save yourself a lot of money, so I guess in a way I am glad we have to wait.. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/305445-are-uk-and-pal-customers-left-out/#findComment-1057369008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason290 Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 The British develop/produce some of the GTA game/s whilst the Americans probably do around 2/3rds. As for why they get everything first? Haven't a clue. It's pretty bloody annoying. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/305445-are-uk-and-pal-customers-left-out/#findComment-1057369011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Deuce Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 It is a little annoying that we have to wait longer than everyone else, but man, it has saved me £100's in buying games that I would have bought on release.. When you see the reviews and realise it's just a rent, you save yourself a lot of money, so I guess in a way I am glad we have to wait.. .. But for a game like GTA, you know you just have to buy it, whatever the case - I think that's what hawkstorm was getting at. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/305445-are-uk-and-pal-customers-left-out/#findComment-1057369015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkstorm182 Posted December 31, 2007 Author Share Posted December 31, 2007 It is a little annoying that we have to wait longer than everyone else, but man, it has saved me £100's in buying games that I would have bought on release.. When you see the reviews and realise it's just a rent, you save yourself a lot of money, so I guess in a way I am glad we have to wait.. .. But for a game like GTA, you know you just have to buy it, whatever the case - I think that's what hawkstorm was getting at. yeah i mean it can be helpful as you said with games that you realise are rental only and your not going to buy but with things such as the ps3 and gta iv you know your going to buy them so you dont want to wait an extra 4 monthes or evan 2 or 3 days. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/305445-are-uk-and-pal-customers-left-out/#findComment-1057369018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Deuce Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 It is a little annoying that we have to wait longer than everyone else, but man, it has saved me £100's in buying games that I would have bought on release.. When you see the reviews and realise it's just a rent, you save yourself a lot of money, so I guess in a way I am glad we have to wait.. .. But for a game like GTA, you know you just have to buy it, whatever the case - I think that's what hawkstorm was getting at. yeah i mean it can be helpful as you said with games that you realise are rental only and your not going to buy but with things such as the ps3 and gta iv you know your going to buy them so you dont want to wait an extra 4 monthes or evan 2 or 3 days. Yeah, definitely. That said though, when it comes to GTA, for us UK'ers you only have to wait, what is it 3 days before it's released here. Not much of a wait, and besides it brings back the hype a lot more as you see all the American's going crazy with excitement (as with SA). Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/305445-are-uk-and-pal-customers-left-out/#findComment-1057369026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Effy in Chains Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 I think they have to add all the European languages to the games, which is really annoying considering they should give the UK the American versions of games as they are in English! Then we would get them on the same day. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/305445-are-uk-and-pal-customers-left-out/#findComment-1057369027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nlitement Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 I think they have to add all the European languages to the games, which is really annoying considering they should give the UK the American versions of games as they are in English! Then we would get them on the same day. Err.. that stuff is done before releasing anything anywhere. And the only thing they change for the European English version is the units. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/305445-are-uk-and-pal-customers-left-out/#findComment-1057369041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazdaSpeed Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 Well i live in Finland and games come here very late... but i don't really care because i'll buy the games anyways when they're cheaper. And btw Kalasinn translating costs money. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/305445-are-uk-and-pal-customers-left-out/#findComment-1057369043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlx Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 I don't care much... I never had the feeling I had to wait unreasonably long to get what I want here. I'm not gonna bitch about a few days. And they sure as hell shouldn't overdub it with all the european languages... can you imagine the suckness of that? Bad translations, bad synchronisation and bad voice acting. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/305445-are-uk-and-pal-customers-left-out/#findComment-1057369092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Symbiote666 Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 It is a little annoying that we have to wait longer than everyone else, but man, it has saved me £100's in buying games that I would have bought on release.. When you see the reviews and realise it's just a rent, you save yourself a lot of money, so I guess in a way I am glad we have to wait.. .. But for a game like GTA, you know you just have to buy it, whatever the case - I think that's what hawkstorm was getting at. Yeh, but what I meant was, while it does suck that we have to wait for games like GTA, there is also a big advantage to having to wait.. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/305445-are-uk-and-pal-customers-left-out/#findComment-1057369130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
atbin16 Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 It's been a mystry for me..... i mean they are british and they leave us to be the last ones...... I do understand why they leave the french ones out.... LOL Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/305445-are-uk-and-pal-customers-left-out/#findComment-1057369201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteryGamer Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 I agree with many points raised so there is no need I feel to comment any more on these. Let's put it this way though Australia have to wait a week after Britain to get the game, and although Japan gets everything before any territory pretty much in every case, well they will have to wait nearly a year after at least for there version of the game, because Grand Theft Auto titles take so long to release in Japan after every part of the world has it. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/305445-are-uk-and-pal-customers-left-out/#findComment-1057369207 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razli Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 The reason why most areas of the world get games before Europe is becuase there is more money to be had in other areas. In Japan, alot of people there play games, and therefore get money. America is massive and has a very large population, and as most games are made there they also get them faster. Europeans get them last as we are the least populated and some other things. However, on most really big games, they usually hold world releases, But not sure if they are with GTA. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/305445-are-uk-and-pal-customers-left-out/#findComment-1057369223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil112 Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 For the British versions it's not as if they have to do it in another language either, all it is, is a different way to put it on the disk. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/305445-are-uk-and-pal-customers-left-out/#findComment-1057369240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Deuce Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 It's understandable for GTA to to be released in the U.S. before anywhere else including the UK, because it's a lot bigger than most countries. However, Japan is HUGE: why does it take so long for it to be put on the shelves over there? Surely they'd boost their sales up for doing so, rather than wait months and months. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/305445-are-uk-and-pal-customers-left-out/#findComment-1057369248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nlitement Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 (edited) and although Japan gets everything before any territory pretty much in every case. Only for Japanese games.. uh. Also Razli, wtf, Europe has nearly TWICE a larger population than Japan and the USA COMBINED. Edited December 31, 2007 by nlitement Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/305445-are-uk-and-pal-customers-left-out/#findComment-1057369270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkstorm182 Posted December 31, 2007 Author Share Posted December 31, 2007 (edited) It's understandable for GTA to to be released in the U.S. before anywhere else including the UK, because it's a lot bigger than most countries. However, Japan is HUGE: why does it take so long for it to be put on the shelves over there? Surely they'd boost their sales up for doing so, rather than wait months and months. True, True. Also if you take the Pal/Europeon terrortories that get the game later than the U.S or North American terrortory. North America= population. 514,600,000 However PAL which is used in most of europe and africa and parts of australia when added up the population of this terrotory would come to more than 710,000,000 allot more than North America so theres not always more money is NA. I can see what some people are saying about it only being like a few days wait in some cases but thats still a few unessercary days without the game. Other games though for example Rock band came out in the U.S in november i think it was in the U.K MARCH. thats like 4 monthes completly ridiculous. Also not only do we have to wait for these things but sometimes never get evan get them i mean we cant phone up and have the chance for our voice in the game. And the 80gb PS3 all we get is a smaller 40gb model. Edited December 31, 2007 by hawkstorm182 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/305445-are-uk-and-pal-customers-left-out/#findComment-1057369277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Deuce Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 Don't forget, the three-day wait might be something that was on the contract Rockstar signed; it probably has nothing to do with them. I think TakeTwo deal with all that stuff anyway. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/305445-are-uk-and-pal-customers-left-out/#findComment-1057369296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil112 Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 Don't forget, the three-day wait might be something that was on the contract Rockstar signed; it probably has nothing to do with them. I think TakeTwo deal with all that stuff anyway. It's still somebodys fault. I wouldn't mind that much, except for the fact that these forums will be full of stuff after the release in the U.S, and it will just spoil the game a bit for the rest of us. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/305445-are-uk-and-pal-customers-left-out/#findComment-1057369338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceedot Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 Hey, Australia don't get games before the UK. I'm gonna get UT3 from America, because it's not out in Australia yet. It's bullsh*t, I know. Lucky PS3 doesn't have region codes on games. P.S. Rockstar main headquarters is in New York. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/305445-are-uk-and-pal-customers-left-out/#findComment-1057370243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMR2007 Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 @Ceedot: Does the 360 have the region codes? And I believe it may simply be because Japan and USA are bigger than the UK so, a bigger audience will recieve the game sooner. It makes sense to me to provide new games and consoles to bigger audiences first. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/305445-are-uk-and-pal-customers-left-out/#findComment-1057370363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceedot Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 @Ceedot: Does the 360 have the region codes? I believe it does.... I think it has the DVD codes. EDIT: Look on an xbox cover, and see if it says NTSC or PAL. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/305445-are-uk-and-pal-customers-left-out/#findComment-1057370409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ~ Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 As an American I think I don't have much saying into this... But still. I've got an European Xbox 360 console. I bought it second hand from eBay with a bunch of games. Adding up that I'll have to import my games from Europe. Cause my Xbox 360 doesn't play NTSC games nor DVD's. All of that resulted into me buying a TV from eBay that's PAL aswell. And all the little bits like when it breaks I'll have to ship it back overseas into an European country. All in all, I've got to wait just as long as you guys while all the stores have a shining copy in the store display. But back on-topic, I think it's all cause of the TV history. Since there's NTSC and PAL DVD players, NTSC and PAL TV's... For as far as I know, it goes back into the early 90's... Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/305445-are-uk-and-pal-customers-left-out/#findComment-1057370434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee1989 Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 P.S. Rockstar main headquarters is in New York. The main quaters may be in New york but there making GTA IV at the "R* NORTH" head quaters, witch is in Scotland, Great Britain. and i remeber reading or hearing in a Dan houser interview about R* north having to phone new york to ask about small details, like how a building is position etc. so this means the whole game must be made in UK. the only thing i can think of that would probably have to be done in america would be the voice acting. i was actualy going to make a topic like this, as i've always wondered why the UK gets the GTA games after the US. P.S i would'nt realy say Japan is ALOT Bigger than Britain, the population mabey is but the Country aint. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/305445-are-uk-and-pal-customers-left-out/#findComment-1057370865 Share on other sites More sharing options...
crackdawg Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 (edited) You mean PAL the signal modulation? That's all on the hardware level. Both consoles had that on there release dates. The console development suites don't even have functions for it on PS3 and x360 because it's already handled by the OS and chip set. There are 3 modulation standards. You can buy a digital converter that switches it to NTSC and the other modulation from radio shack I think. It's not needed though...o.0 I'm confused...It was the same deal with my atari 2600 !?!? Summary of my post: The games for the x360 and PS3 are blind to the hardware abstraction layer. This thread should be accociated with shipping delays, not something that literally and logiclly has no influence on the game code at all. Edited January 1, 2008 by crackdawg Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/305445-are-uk-and-pal-customers-left-out/#findComment-1057370875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh995 Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 because north america has the highest economy. people in america tend to buy on impulse, while europeans tend to think before they make purchases, also. americas economy may be on the fritz right now, but its still the biggest, and companies can and will continue to use that to their advantage Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/305445-are-uk-and-pal-customers-left-out/#findComment-1057370882 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panksta Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 "people in america tend to buy on impulse, while europeans tend to think before they make purchases," ^ thats dumb.... do you have a brother who is american and a brother who is european and then studied and observed them and sh*t since im canadian im neutral in all this right? nice Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/305445-are-uk-and-pal-customers-left-out/#findComment-1057370901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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