OrangeGroveFamilies Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 After Victor and his gang take over all the empires, the Sharks and Bikers are severly weakened, as shown in Vice City. So for 2 years, Vance Gang was on top and basically ran the town. Until 1986, when Victor Vance got killed by Diaz and his gang. You'd think that with all of the Vance Gang strength and influence, they'd still be there in Vice City. However, they are apparently disbanded, and I guess Lance didn't want to run the gang. Still, with all those members and power, you would think somebody would take control. I guess not, unless somebody else does take control, but we never hear about him or the gang in Vice City? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algonquin Assassin Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 (edited) Hmmm I'm not sure. Just another continuity error, on the part of R* I think. Edited December 22, 2007 by Miamivicecity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CthulhuFhtagn Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 Well, as some person has said in some topic, it could've been that Victor has stopped doing all this as he got the money for Pete's health care and f*cked off to some other city. The organization issues were now on Lance's shoulders, so after 2 years, during which he lost all of Vic's empire and the money he left, he has decided to sell the remains of coke with Pete to the new dealers in town. A year, or maybe some months ago, Avery Carrington and his apprentice Donald Love, have come to Vice City. They saw great business prospects in the town and bought the area taken up by the Vance Crime Empire buildings. Lance Vance might have seen that as a good idea, what with the price Avery was giving - quite possibly, not turning him in to the cops in a city less oblivious to justice - and have sold them. However, as everybody knows, that was a very big mistake what with the profits made. On the other hand, what with the Haitians moving in, he could've actually made a great deal of possible profit out of it. The Haitian gang has reduced the rest of the bikers to just a small company in a bar in Downtown and pushed all of the Cubans out of Little Haiti, which they have inevitably started to inhabit. Lance, fearing for his money and life, has started selling the buildings to Avery, who razed them and sold the space. Easy. You guys can quote me. Remember, it's CthulhuFhtagn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkley Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 First of all, who said that Diaz killed Vic? Second, maybe Vic's gang fell apart because bikers, diaz's gang, haitians etc were in Vice City and eleminated them? Well there could be lots of reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeGroveFamilies Posted December 22, 2007 Author Share Posted December 22, 2007 Vice City told us Diaz killed Vic, or was apart of it. And if it was Pete, so what. Interperet how you want. And hell no any of those gangs could of taken down the Vance Crime Family. The VCF was way too powerful and organized for any gangs to try and take down, they were stronger than the Mafia, just about... Like you said, there's could be a lot of reasons. Victor could of disbanded it himself and left, maybe they disbanded after Victor got killed, maybe they're still there in Vice City under a different ruler, and we never hear about them, because the game came out way before Vice City Stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJX74 Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 Well youre guys are around your businesses but in VC they are not there. I guess with no business theres no gang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince_ThePhoenix Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 The gang is not there because Vic who was the leader got killed in the beginning of VC 1986. It's one of the possible reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CthulhuFhtagn Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 The gang is not there because Vic who was the leader got killed in the beginning of VC 1986. It's one of the possible reasons. Or, because he ran away 2 years earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince_ThePhoenix Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Or, because he ran away 2 years earlier. Yes, it could be a reason, but we are still unsure about the death of Pete in VC and the fact that Vic ran away...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CthulhuFhtagn Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 IMO - no proof, not true. The most likely thing is that it was somebody else. A quite likely thing was - it was just some goon killed. If Lance said his bro was on the deal, it would be respected, as Victor has put fear into everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamerShotgun Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 (edited) Actually Ken mentioned that "They are brothers, okay?" "One manages the business, and the other one does the flying" So guess what.. Vic IS DEAD Oh and on the official PC Vice City site, there's a flash, it talks about lance and victor. Pete isn't even mentioned. And for the Vance crime family, just to let you know...Lance is a piece of sh*t traitor, and i don't think anyone would respect him in the "Vance gang"... So that's why they have disbanded.. Edited December 23, 2007 by MasterK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CthulhuFhtagn Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Actually Ken mentioned that "They are brothers, okay?" "One manages the business, and the other one does the flying" So guess what.. Vic IS DEAD Oh and on the official PC Vice City site, there's a flash, it talks about lance and victor. Pete isn't even mentioned. And for the Vance crime family, just to let you know...Lance is a piece of sh*t traitor, and i don't think anyone would respect him in the "Vance gang"... So that's why they have disbanded.. so what if Ken says something? Lance could've lied to him, said "Ah, my brother will be with me" while he really hired a goon to pose as his bro. So what if there is a flash? As far as the police knew, only 2 brothers were a danger to society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamerShotgun Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 lol... Come on. The thing is that, you don't want to believe Victor died, even if you clearly see that there's a lot of evidence about it. Stop confusing people and be a bit more logical. If Victor havn't died, then there would be a Vance gang in VC... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince_ThePhoenix Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 (edited) As far as the police knew, only 2 brothers were a danger to society. Yes, the 2 brothers were Vic and Lance as Pete was ill, taking medicines who couldn't be a threat to society. ol... Come on. The thing is that, you don't want to believe Victor died, even if you clearly see that there's a lot of evidence about it. Stop confusing people and be a bit more logical. If Victor havn't died, then there would be a Vance gang in VC... Could be true, but Vic doesn't have a Latin accent like the guy shot in VC. Edited December 23, 2007 by vicenzo312 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince_ThePhoenix Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Deleted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkley Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Deleted. Oh, learn to use the 'edit' button too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CthulhuFhtagn Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 lol... Come on. The thing is that, you don't want to believe Victor died, even if you clearly see that there's a lot of evidence about it. Stop confusing people and be a bit more logical. If Victor havn't died, then there would be a Vance gang in VC... If Victor hadn't moved away from the gang and Lance hadn't tried to make money and haitians hadn't appeared then yes, the Vance Gang would still be there and Tommy would be killed in the first moment of his arrival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince_ThePhoenix Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Deleted. Oh, learn to use the 'edit' button too. OFF TOPIC It's because I've already clicked on "add reply" and there's no way to delete a post. I'm right here or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake6 Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 they didnt even know they were gonna make a vice city stories back then. so it was vic or they wouldve said it was not somewhere in the game. also the reason that vic looks different in vc and sounds different is probably because they thought no one would want to play as a fat balding guy with a colombian accent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeGroveFamilies Posted December 23, 2007 Author Share Posted December 23, 2007 Oh gosh... another Vic's death discussion. He's dead, that's that. He obviously turns into a drug dealer, and Lance says his brother would always give him a hard time and make fun of him in Vice City. Now come on, do you think an ill person with asthma like Pete would be picking on Lance, let alone selling drugs? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love.Life Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Way i see it is. Most of the buisness went to Ricardo Diaz or were bought by Avery Carrington. As well as that Haiatians and sharks could of destroyed most of there buisnesses and killed most of there men. And alot of the senior figures in the gang could be put in prison or killed. Way i see it is Vic gets greedy and in vice he gets killed and Lance is left on his own in them iddle of a city out to get him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeGroveFamilies Posted December 23, 2007 Author Share Posted December 23, 2007 Meh... well I doubt Hatians, and especially the Sharks, could of killed their men or taken them down. The upper level Vance gang has hella strong weapons. I could attack the Shark's empire and just sit back and watch them maul down the Sharks with their AK's and Micro SMG's. Not only that, the Sharks got much, much weaker in Vice City and were more of a street gang, even taking on the name Streetwannabes. However, the Avery and Diaz thing is a very good idea. Most likely Avery bought a lot of their property, and Diaz took over most of the areas and even killed Vic, and by then the Vance gang was probably already disbanded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tristam509 Posted December 29, 2007 Share Posted December 29, 2007 Actually Ken mentioned that "They are brothers, okay?" "One manages the business, and the other one does the flying" So guess what.. Vic IS DEAD Oh and on the official PC Vice City site, there's a flash, it talks about lance and victor. Pete isn't even mentioned. And for the Vance crime family, just to let you know...Lance is a piece of sh*t traitor, and i don't think anyone would respect him in the "Vance gang"... So that's why they have disbanded.. so what if Ken says something? Lance could've lied to him, said "Ah, my brother will be with me" while he really hired a goon to pose as his bro. So what if there is a flash? As far as the police knew, only 2 brothers were a danger to society. The guy with Lance in the opening scene is Cuban. The confusion is in VC. Not with the continuity of the two. You never see Vic or see him killed. Some Cuban gets hit, Lance flys away and then talks about his dead brother. I think it is quite possible Lance is lying. Also Vic didn't leave permanently. He told Diaz he wouldn't see him. At the end of VCS, Lance says he has 20 keys to sell. Vic says no way. Then Lance says lets lay low for a bit then when the heat is off we will sell. Lance says OK. I think the deal with Tommy was the 20 keys. It is not a stretch to see that the 20 keys was lifted off Diaz. In White Lies and the preceding missions Lance is trying to cover the fact he is skimming by attacking the bikers. In White Lies, Vic finds out Lance stole the coke. That is why the deal is ambushed and Vic is killed. The only discontinuity is that in Back Alley Brawl Lance says "the same thing you want. Your green and my dead brother's coke." Lance was always the one who had the drugs in VCS. Also the gang likely disbands right after the end of VCS. Lance and Vic agree to lay low to let the heat off. It isn't inconceivable they would wait 2 years before trying to sell the coke Lance skimmed off Diaz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CthulhuFhtagn Posted December 29, 2007 Share Posted December 29, 2007 Now come on, do you think an ill person with asthma like Pete would be picking on Lance, let alone selling drugs? No. Well, Lance does consume an awful lot of coke... Maybe he confuses his 2 brothers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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