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Large Hadron Collider

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The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) is a particle accelerator and collider located at CERN, near Geneva, Switzerland ( [show location on an interactive map] 46°14′N, 6°03′E). Currently under construction, the LHC is scheduled to begin operation in May 2008.[1] The LHC is expected to become the world's largest and highest energy particle accelerator. The LHC is being funded and built in collaboration with over two thousand physicists from thirty-four countries, universities and laboratories.

 

When activated, it is hoped that the collider will produce the elusive Higgs boson — often dubbed the God Particle — the observation of which could confirm the predictions and 'missing links' in the Standard Model of physics, and explain how other elementary particles acquire properties such as mass.[2] The verification of the existence of the Higgs boson would be a significant step in the search for a Grand Unified Theory which seeks to unify three of the four fundamental forces: electromagnetism, the strong force, and the weak force. The Higgs boson may also help to explain why the remaining force, gravitation, is so weak compared to the other three forces.

 

 

Safety concerns and assurances

 

As with previous particle accelerators, people both inside and outside the physics community have voiced concern that the LHC might trigger one of several theoretical disasters capable of destroying the Earth or even the entire Universe. This has raised controversy as to whether any such risks outweigh the potential benefits of constructing and operating the LHC.

 

Though the standard model predicts that LHC energies are far too low to create black holes, some nonstandard theories lower the requirements, and predict that the LHC will create tiny black holes,[9][10] with potentially devastating consequences. The primary cause for concern is that Hawking Radiation - a postulated means by which any such black holes would dissipate before becoming dangerous, remains entirely theoretical. In academia, the theory of Hawking Radiation is considered plausible, but there remains considerable question of whether it is correct.[11]

 

Other disaster scenarios typically involve the following theoretical events:

 

    * Creation of strange matter that is more stable than ordinary matter

    * Creation of magnetic monopoles that could catalyze proton decay

    * Creation of a strangelet

 

CERN has pointed out that the probability of such events is extremely small. One argument for the safety of colliders such as the LHC states that if the Earth were in danger of any such fate, the Earth and Moon would have met that fate billions of years ago due to their constant bombardment from space by very high energy cosmic rays such as protons and other particles, which are millions of times more energetic than anything that could be produced by the LHC.[12]

 

Quantum calculations presented in the CERN report predict that:

 

    * Any black holes created by the LHC are not expected to be stable and will not accrete matter.

    * Any monopoles that could catalyse the decay of matter will quickly exit the Earth.[13]

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider

 

I think that the risks outweigh the rewards. Maybe we should forget about raising awareness about global warming if this will destroy the earth anyway?

 

Opinions?

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fox09

Neat. So we're just gunna hit the button, and hope the universe doesn't asplode?

 

 

 

 

"So now what do we do?"

 

"Well, we could play Dungeons and Dragons for the next trillion years."

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Svip

Ah, Futurama quotes always wins the topic.

 

On topic though, since when were humans able to create black holes? Seriously! If they do create something similar, it is going to be very small, and very insignificant. These people who are building are scientists, if they knew the risk was real, why the f*ck would they go through with it?

 

The safety concerns are obviously made up by people who have no understanding of the subject whatsoever... except for the word "black hole" apparently.

 

Edit:

 

The quote is actually;

Nichols: Eternity with nerds. It's the Pasadena Star Trek convention all over again.

Gygax: Anyone wanna play Dungeons & Dragons for the next quadrillion years?

Edited by Svip

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Leftcoast

 

I think that the risks outweigh the rewards. Maybe we should forget about raising awareness about global warming if this will destroy the earth anyway?

 

Opinions?

 

 

 

Remember that last part of the last thing you quoted. Anything harmful created will last only the slightest moment of a fraction of a mili second.

 

Svip is right, there really is no danger.

 

I'm not a physicist, but I do know a lot about it, and I don't see any real threats. K^2 would be able to explain it better; I just know enough physics to design cars and things.

 

 

 

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derty

 

On topic though, since when were humans able to create black holes?  Seriously!  If they do create something similar, it is going to be very small, and very insignificant.  These people who are building are scientists, if they knew the risk was real, why the f*ck would they go through with it?

To this day every Atom bomb, were one to be set off, carries the risk

of creating an infinite reaction.

 

Every Nuclear Weapon. Every One carries the potential to react and

keep reacting and quite literally never stop reacting, growing in size,

faster and faster, hotter and hotter.

 

We knew that before we tested the first one.

 

Just like we know what we're doing here with this ferris wheel.

Well, we know what could happen... We just don't yet know what

Will happen. Never put it past scientists. Everything is an experiment

to the people who see this deeply into the fabric of things.

 

Governments crash planes into their own cities.

 

And you know what they say about geniuses. We're not

too far off from crazy. Hence the power in the Mad Scientist

character stereotype throughout entertainment.

 

Yes, this is a Poke and Hope experiment. Yes they know the risks.

Yes they know more than the people who believe in the conventional

God. And certainly, yes, Futurama quotes steal the show for sure wink.gif

 

-derty

Edited by derty

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Iminicus

I can't wait to read the findings for the tests of the LHC. I think this will be a turning point in our understanding of the creation of matter and the universe. Bring on May 2008.

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TubbyJ

All I heard was "Destroy the universe" and I automatically thought mad scientist lol.gif but seeing as I know nothing about advanced physics the likes you guys are talking about, I can't really argue with or against it.

 

Either way, it's all very interesting and I'd like to know more. Does anyone know a good book or maybe a website I could check out to understand all this better?

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Mark

People still moaning about the LHC eh? Oh noes, teh black holes will kill us all tounge.gif.

 

A pinhole sized black holes with the gravity pull of a stadium or whatever...since I last checked, stadii didn't really attract me into them unless the footie was on or whatever.

 

The project seems a great idea to me, a fascinating topic with not a massive risk.

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derty

I have to disagree, purely based on what I said above about nukes.

 

I predict we'll end up launched into the face of Jupiter :x

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Iminicus
I have to disagree, purely based on what I said above about nukes.

 

I predict we'll end up launched into the face of Jupiter :x

Yes because we all know the complete effects of nuclear weapons and power. Why, you should move to New Zealand if you are so scared of the future derty.

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FullMetal

Not one human knew what a devestating power the nukes had... hence why the USA dropped the atom bomb on hiroshima (and later nagasaki). They were just shocked that it was THAT devestating... yes, it's wasn't the right decision but that's somethingelse wink.gif.

 

About this testing; I've heard of it before and my Geography teacher had told us almost everything about it. Really interesting... but he doubts if it'll work. I hope so, it could mean a revolution in just the world development!

 

But if it works... what will happen? Will company's get their hands on the technology and "copyright" it? Will it be commercialised and eventually be very expensive? Will third world countries be able to enjoy and take benefit from this?

 

But let's see ... I'm really curious.

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K^2

There is absolutely no risk. If anything we could possibly produce with LHC has had absolutely any chance of being stable enough to cause global damage, it would have happened on its own very long time ago. There are no stable catalyst or black hole states to be produced with LHC energies. There could be some unstable short-lived ones, and that's what we are looking for. Calm down and let us do our jobs.

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derty

 

There is absolutely no risk. If anything we could possibly produce with LHC has had absolutely any chance of being stable enough to cause global damage, it would have happened on its own very long time ago. There are no stable catalyst or black hole states to be produced with LHC energies. There could be some unstable short-lived ones, and that's what we are looking for. Calm down and let us do our jobs.

 

You say that like you are working on the project rolleyes.gif

 

@fullmetal:

 

Every Nuclear Weapon. Every One carries the potential to react and

keep reacting and quite literally never stop reacting, growing in size,

faster and faster, hotter and hotter.

 

The above is not canceled due to the tests and uses of nukes thus far. EVERY nuke has, and has had,

the potential to detonate and keep going, never stop, just eat the whole universe.

 

In fact, we are riding the biggest nuke of all time (big bang).

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asimov

Even if they accidently made tiny black holes they would evaporate so fast they wouldn't have any effect. I have been waiting for this project to go ahead for quite some time now I can't wait too see what they find.

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K^2

 

You say that like you are working on the project
I'm in theoretical condensed matter, so the LHC is of limited interest to me personally. But I know some people around here who will be working closely with the experimental results that LHC will provide.

 

 

Every Nuclear Weapon. Every One carries the potential to react and

keep reacting and quite literally never stop reacting, growing in size,

faster and faster, hotter and hotter.

 

The above is not canceled due to the tests and uses of nukes thus far. EVERY nuke has, and has had,

the potential to detonate and keep going, never stop, just eat the whole universe.

I think you misread something somewhere. There is a potential risk of the proton-proton fusion in Earth's seas triggered by the nuclear weapon. This will not spread beyond Earth, and even if there was a true chain reaction, there isn't enough gravity to keep matter confined long enough for everything to react. So explosion would be very small even on the Solar system scale. Yes, it would annihilate all life, and probably destroy Earth, but other planets in the system would be untouched.

 

That is if the chain reaction even existed, which it almost certainly does not. Earth has endured meteorite impacts with more energy released than any nuke we have ever built or considered building. These have not started a chain reaction. Even the gas giants, which have conditions much more suitable for hydrogen fusion and a hell of a lot more fuel are still there. So we won't even destroy the planet. The biggest real risk is fusing some of the hydrogen around the nuke, causing the effective payload to be much greater than expected. That can cause fairly long lasting global weather changes, and some other crap we would prefer not to deal with. Worst case scenario, we get sent back to the stone ages. No global annihilation of all living, though.

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Ph3L1z14n0

K^2's presence in a topic of this kind is like a penis in a vagina, precisely where it should be wow.gif

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