GTA IV's Graphics suck!

[DaDweez]

I’ve wanted to try to post a intelligent non-trailer topic for a while, and I’m going to do it. It’ll get 3 responses before being lost to the second page, forever, but who cares.

 

The graphics of GTA suck!

 

They do, compare COD4, Mass Effect, Halo 3, even assassins creed, and for you ps3 fanboys, Drakes. All of the above beat GTA in one way or another graphically, in my opinion. And probabley yours. You know it’s true. I understand the circumstances, It’s not a hallway shooter, you sacrifice certain things(graphics), for gamepley.

 

Gameplay, gameplay will rule the “next gen,” Graphics will continue to get better till they look like movies, or better, but gameplay will innovate. Gta has been an innovator, and seems to be trying continue to do so. The question on everyones mind is will they? My only problem with this is, are we beating a dead fish, is it getting old. If they masses, people outside the direct GTA fanbase, are tired of shooting up a city after 3 episodes, then GTA’s in trouble. If they masses aren’t tired, or are excited be they gameplay possibilities, then they have a winner. It’s a gamble. (my concern R* has made the game too tough, through realism, appealing to fanboys more then the masses.)

 

Gta on it’s 4th, 3d release, (where the gta wagon first started steam-rolling on a mainstream level), has two outcomes possible, you loose interest from the current user-base, or you gain new fans. From google polling, referenced in other topics, shows a decline in ‘goggle’ searches pertaining to GTA, compared to previous installments of the series. While this doesn’t show anything except for the fact, they aren’t getting a new audience. Leaving only to disprove the second outcome, which can’t be accomplished till release day, despite heavy traffic on this site and others recently.

 

Leaving the gamble R* has made to ponder. If a games graphics suck compared to it’s rivals, can superior gameplay, and inferior graphics sustain an audience exposed to better graphics and worse gameplay, and furthermore, can it generate new fans through, word-of-mouth after release (substantiated by google searches), essential to growing the game to a new, tech friendly generation.

 

If you want to debate something I said, do it intelligently, you can say R* cars look great. Yea, well f*ck you forzas look better. You get my drift; it’s tit-for-tat, stupid. Look at the last paragraph and respond to that. Please.

 

EDIT:

 

Well, 11 pages since last night. About 1 post a page that actually wanted to discuss what i had to offer.

 

To all you who said f*ck you to me, f*ck you back. I love GTA. GTA III is what got me into gaming. I think IV’s graphics look great! But I’ll follow this statement like most of you, with a, for a GTA game. And it does. I’m pumped; I can’t wait for GTA to come out. I scour these boards daily looking for any new screen, or any interview, or any bit of information.

 

It’s a fact of GTA games that you have to take their graphics with a grain of salt. I will, Gladly. I’m a sucker for GTA gameplay. But i can stand back, without bias and say, with the advancements in graphics being applied to graphics oriented games, there’s a larger gap then ever between the top graphics games, and the top gameplay games, in terms of graphics. I prefer gameplay. I’ll take GTA over COD anyday.

 

My reason for starting this topic, is I know we all feel this way, but do the masses. Gaming in general pokes an innovating gameplay, but primarily focuses it’s resources on gfx. GTA, due to makeing a living breathing city, is forced to focus on gameplay. If it didn’t you have a really nice race-track with lots of streets, and no gameplay.

 

I know it’s unfair to compare GTA to COD or any of the others i mentioned, but i did so to show the gaming industry model, showing the better a games gfx, the more successful it is.

 

The only person I read in 7 pages, just about, ishouldntbehere, hit the nail on the head i guess. Wii. But then that goes back to my point about a grittier, realer GTA. Wii has success with a family environment.

 

 

and seriously you guys pay way to much attention to a topic title.

Edited December 8, 2007 by DaDweez

[Typhus]

Let's be fair. The graphics don't suck completely. There have been a few shoddy screenshots but what you must remember that compared to the old games this is a huge leap forward. And, as you said, it will be gameplay that matters. The only ones who buy a game for the graphics are superficial individuals. Why appeal to the fickle and the simple?

I'm sure you understand this. Therefore any problems with the graphics are essentially unimportant. As long as there are no HUGE glitches we should be fine. And hey, Grand Theft Auto will remain as popular as ever. It has a wide ranging appeal to all gamers. Young, old, male, female. Maybe it's lost some steam but that's to be expected when the competition is so tough and the game itself has been delayed. But when it's released? Different story. Even if the reviews maul it (Which is possible) it will still sell in its millions. And then there's downloadable content. For a good while yet GTA will keep its crown.

Edited December 8, 2007 by Typhus

[steakncheese]

Really man.. what did you expect? They are making an entire city that the system has to show a lot of at once. If you had the graphics you wanted, the FPS would render the game unplayable.

 

Try loading a NYC sized map into COD 4 with heaps of vehicles, peds, buildings you can look inside etc.. and you'll be playing an interactive flip-book. The games mentioned are very linear and have pretty small, inclosed areas in comparison to any GTA game.

 

The graphics are fantastic, if you take the scope of everything into account. They are pushing the consoles as far (if not further) than the other games mentioned. You must understand that Rockstar could make the graphics a whole lot better, but the consoles are incapable of running the game at a suitable FPS. If you're going to blame anyone, blame MS and Sony.

Edited December 8, 2007 by steakncheese

[b4rtsimps0n]

You can't really compare a game like GTA to first person shooters. And btw, the graphics IMO pwn Halo 3. In GTA you have a big open map to explore, and a lot of interaction and possibilites. GTA will never look as good as FPS's that come out around the same time, it's just not possible. You say the graphics suck compared to it's rivals, but GTA is a whole other genre than those games.

 

And GTA has never been an innovator in terms of graphics, but in terms of gameplay. The freedom to do whatever you want and the big replay value is what GTA makes such a great game.

 

Forza's cars look better? Of course they do! In a racing game the developers can put a whole lot of time in making the cars look perfect. Racing games are all about the cars and tracks. There's a whole lot more to do for games like GTA. What do you want? Drive around a sh*tty looking city with almost no things to do just because they made the cars look so great?

 

Overall, I think rockstar did a damn good job on the graphics for such a big game with all those features mentioned in previews (and those are just the tip of the iceberg.

 

You're not starting an intelligent discussion, you just made a very stupid thread..

[Timmons55]

the graphics overall dont suck.....the surroundings, the cars all look good its the player models that look crap in areas, in that third trailer it looks as though those player models are from the original xbox....

[ishouldntbehere]

 

Leaving the gamble R* has made to ponder.  If a games graphics suck compared to it’s rivals, can superior gameplay, and inferior graphics sustain an audience exposed to better graphics and worse gameplay, and furthermore, can it generate new fans through, word-of-mouth after release (substantiated by google searches), essential to growing the game to a new, tech friendly generation.

 

In a word: Yes.

 

In two words: Yes. Wii.

 

gamers are smarter than one might think, and they will thoroughly enjoy a game with excellent gameplay and mediocre graphics.

 

I think you're trying to say that R* might be shooting themselves in the foot with this franchise and the similar guy-drives-around-city-killing-people gameplay. But it doesnt get old because the gameplay evolves and changes and because each episode brings us a new city to explore.

 

Sure, in an overall sense, its one of a hundred guy-runs-around-city-killing-people games. But it's what R* does new and differently that makes it stand out from the rest.

Edited December 8, 2007 by ishouldntbehere

[Swifty 9]

How about you wait till the game actually comes out. Till then STFU.

 

And for as big as this game is, the graphics are actually f*ckin amazing so I dont know what your smokin but pass that isht over here dude.

[Mand'alor]

Since when has a GTA game been about the graphics anyway?

 

Gameplay is the key to GTA's success.

 

Edit: Oh and I think the graphics look pretty damn good, especially for a GTA game.

[Speedball]

I’ve wanted to try to post a intelligent non-trailer topic for a while, and I’m going to do it. It’ll get 3 responses before being lost to the second page, forever, but who cares.

 

The graphics of GTA suck!

 

They do, compare COD4, Mass Effect, Halo 3, even assassins creed, and for you ps3 fanboys, Drakes. All of the above beat GTA in one way or another graphically, in my opinion. And probabley yours. You know it’s true. I understand the circumstances, It’s not a hallway shooter, you sacrifice certain things(graphics), for gamepley.

 

Gameplay, gameplay will rule the “next gen,” Graphics will continue to get better till they look like movies, or better, but gameplay will innovate. Gta has been an innovator, and seems to be trying continue to do so. The question on everyones mind is will they? My only problem with this is, are we beating a dead fish, is it getting old. If they masses, people outside the direct GTA fanbase, are tired of shooting up a city after 3 episodes, then GTA’s in trouble. If they masses aren’t tired, or are excited be they gameplay possibilities, then they have a winner. It’s a gamble. (my concern R* has made the game too tough, through realism, appealing to fanboys more then the masses.)

 

Gta on it’s 4th, 3d release, (where the gta wagon first started steam-rolling on a mainstream level), has two outcomes possible, you loose interest from the current user-base, or you gain new fans. From google polling, referenced in other topics, shows a decline in ‘goggle’ searches pertaining to GTA, compared to previous installments of the series. While this doesn’t show anything except for the fact, they aren’t getting a new audience. Leaving only to disprove the second outcome, which can’t be accomplished till release day, despite heavy traffic on this site and others recently.

 

Leaving the gamble R* has made to ponder. If a games graphics suck compared to it’s rivals, can superior gameplay, and inferior graphics sustain an audience exposed to better graphics and worse gameplay, and furthermore, can it generate new fans through, word-of-mouth after release (substantiated by google searches), essential to growing the game to a new, tech friendly generation.

 

If you want to debate something I said, do it intelligently, you can say R* cars look great. Yea, well f*ck you forzas look better. You get my drift; it’s tit-for-tat, stupid. Look at the last paragraph and respond to that. Please.

Stfu please you talk sh*t.

 

Just wait to have the game in you're xbox or ps3 to juge it but pleaseeeee stop speculating that it will sucks or whatever...

[ak-4seven]

the graphics dont suck at all! didnt u see how realistic it is in the third trailer? this sh*t isnt intelligent

[Clutch107]

I don't think I've ever thought to myself "Holy sh*t, look at those graphics" when it came to a GTA game... until now. GTA has never really been a pretty game imo, they've always had ugly textures and laughable animations, which are excusable to me given how large and immersive their games are, but at the end of the day it's just really damn fun.

[Typhus]

Plus, Rockstar have finally mastered the art of fingers. No more block hands. That's a good sign.

[Vanilla Shake]

I think the graphics look incredible. Much, much, much better when compared to previous Grand Theft Auto titles. They may fall a little short when compared to other next-gen games, but that's because they don't let you do as much as you could do in Grand Theft Auto. I wouldn't start criticizing them until I've seen them during gameplay on an HDTV.

[LaMigra]

First of all, @ b4rtsimps0n, you were doing ok until your last sentence. I have to applaud DaDweez for trying to create a positive discussion about more than just, "Holy Sh*t!!! Thrz SNOW on the church roof!!!! ZOMG!!!" Stating opinions and letting others discuss is good business.

 

So, at the topic itself, I say that it's about time that the next gen console situation gets past the all show and no go of flashy grapics. Yes, we all know how good a game like Halo 3 can look. But if you want to talk about stale, that game clearly is. It has added nothing innovative since it's inception on the old system. Clearly the GTA series has its fanbase that are in for the long haul and will buy anything with GTA stamped on the front. You either love it or it just doesn't do it for you. However, I think that GTA will see a huge boost in new fans with this release. The people here on this forum are obviously those that love the game regardless. So, a lot of them have nothing better to do than, and I know I'll get flamed for this, sit in their parents basement on a friday night/saturday morning and complain about the graphics not being as nice a Gears of War.

 

Anyway, I think GTA will do just fine and, in the process, draw in a whole new gerneration of next gen fans in the process.

[ceedot]

Compared to the III trilogy? The graphics are awesome. You suck, that's what I think.

[SamFromVenturas]

Yes, to hardcore gamers the graphics aren't as good as a COD4's or Assassin's Creed but to the "masses" IV will be a quantum leap from what they remember in San Andreas. And as you said the "masses" are the ones that matter. The success of GTAIV will hinge upon its ability to convince casual gamers to buy a PS3 or 360 just for GTAIV just as many people bought a PS2 just for GTAIII (myself included). However, I do agree with you that this realistic and more mature (more mature intellectually) approach Rockstar is taking might alienate potential customers. Will a country (the U.S.) full of super patriotic assholes with American flags on their cars really embrace a video game with a Russian immigrant protagonist not to mention Russian rap?

[GTA3Rockstar]

The only people posting in here are the retard, excluding Vanilla, his point only makes sense. Everyone else just sucks.

[shunsuke]

I’ve wanted to try to post a intelligent non-trailer topic for a while, and I’m going to do it. It’ll get 3 responses before being lost to the second page, forever, but who cares.

 

The graphics of GTA suck!

 

They do, compare COD4, Mass Effect, Halo 3, even assassins creed, and for you ps3 fanboys, Drakes. All of the above beat GTA in one way or another graphically, in my opinion. And probabley yours. You know it’s true. I understand the circumstances, It’s not a hallway shooter, you sacrifice certain things(graphics), for gamepley.

 

Gameplay, gameplay will rule the “next gen,” Graphics will continue to get better till they look like movies, or better, but gameplay will innovate. Gta has been an innovator, and seems to be trying continue to do so. The question on everyones mind is will they? My only problem with this is, are we beating a dead fish, is it getting old. If they masses, people outside the direct GTA fanbase, are tired of shooting up a city after 3 episodes, then GTA’s in trouble. If they masses aren’t tired, or are excited be they gameplay possibilities, then they have a winner. It’s a gamble. (my concern R* has made the game too tough, through realism, appealing to fanboys more then the masses.)

 

Gta on it’s 4th, 3d release, (where the gta wagon first started steam-rolling on a mainstream level), has two outcomes possible, you loose interest from the current user-base, or you gain new fans. From google polling, referenced in other topics, shows a decline in ‘goggle’ searches pertaining to GTA, compared to previous installments of the series. While this doesn’t show anything except for the fact, they aren’t getting a new audience. Leaving only to disprove the second outcome, which can’t be accomplished till release day, despite heavy traffic on this site and others recently.

 

Leaving the gamble R* has made to ponder. If a games graphics suck compared to it’s rivals, can superior gameplay, and inferior graphics sustain an audience exposed to better graphics and worse gameplay, and furthermore, can it generate new fans through, word-of-mouth after release (substantiated by google searches), essential to growing the game to a new, tech friendly generation.

 

If you want to debate something I said, do it intelligently, you can say R* cars look great. Yea, well f*ck you forzas look better. You get my drift; it’s tit-for-tat, stupid. Look at the last paragraph and respond to that. Please.

so ?

[Typhus]

The only people posting in here are the retard, excluding Vanilla, his point only makes sense. Everyone else just sucks.

 

Let's be fair. The graphics don't suck completely. There have been a few shoddy screenshots but what you must remember that compared to the old games this is a huge leap forward. And, as you said, it will be gameplay that matters. The only ones who buy a game for the graphics are superficial individuals. Why appeal to the fickle and the simple?

I'm sure you understand this. Therefore any problems with the graphics are essentially unimportant. As long as there are no HUGE glitches we should be fine. And hey, Grand Theft Auto will remain as popular as ever. It has a wide ranging appeal to all gamers. Young, old, male, female. Maybe it's lost some steam but that's to be expected when the competition is so tough and the game itself has been delayed. But when it's released? Different story. Even if the reviews maul it (Which is possible) it will still sell in its millions. And then there's downloadable content. For a good while yet GTA will keep its crown.

 

But no. No. I can see how you'd think I was a retard

[Jay]

 

The only people posting in here are the retard, excluding Vanilla, his point only makes sense. Everyone else just sucks.

How can that contribute anything besides flamebait? Seriously?

 

The basic premise of making a thread like this in the dragons den of GTA fans was a poor idea in the first place, if you only wish to stoke the coals then you can find somewhere else to +1 thankyouverymuch.

[Ryuranger]

Dude, the Game loads up a f*cking Whole City, Unlike most good Looking games where theres Only a Certain area to go to, Which means they can Spend more time on the Looks.

 

Thats why San Andreas had weird Graphics ( On the PS2 anyways ) because of the Massive Area you could go around, They had to cut down on the Details a bit so It could Fit, or due to Time constraints.

 

Don't bitch though, It looks good enough as it is, Im actually more Concerned on how the game will play out instead of the Graphics, I would have been happy if they did the game with PS2 Graphics I still wouldn't care.

[Waddy]

The only people posting in here are the retard, excluding Vanilla, his point only makes sense. Everyone else just sucks.

People who spam up a topic without giving any valid input (like most of your posts) are the retards.

 

On topic (You wouldnt know what that means Rocky)

 

If the GFX on GTAIV were like Halo 3 etc, I wouldnt even play it. The story line os what does it for me, The GFX will be the same style, not to real, thats GTA folks.

[ak-4seven]

The only people posting in here are the retard, excluding Vanilla, his point only makes sense. Everyone else just sucks.

me too

[GycuBrun]

Compared to GTA SA

Compared to Crysis

 

I think GTA has good graphics for what's the game's purpose ... and anyways the gameplay is important ...

 

We shouldn't forget they've ben working on this game since late 2004

[Vercetti Gangsta]

GTA IV's graphics are much better than I would've ever expected. Even though we're just seing beta shots.

 

Grand Theft Auto will never have graphics as the other games you mentioned, but the other games will never have the same gameplay as GTA has. And the gameplay is the most important thing in a game, I'd say.

 

Example: You may find a good looking cover on a book interesting, but it doesn't necessarily mean that the books content is great.

You don't by a book because of it's cover, do you?

 

All in all: GTA has great graphics. The features sound amazing. The gameplay, I'm sure, will be just as good... And... Online play!

 

Do I have to mention anything else?

[LaMigra]

The only people posting in here are the retard, excluding Vanilla, his point only makes sense. Everyone else just sucks.

People who spam up a topic without giving any valid input (like most of your posts) are the retards.

 

On topic (You wouldnt know what that means Rocky)

 

If the GFX on GTAIV were like Halo 3 etc, I wouldnt even play it. The story line os what does it for me, The GFX will be the same style, not to real, thats GTA folks.

owned

[Vercetti Gangsta]

The only people posting in here are the retard, excluding Vanilla, his point only makes sense. Everyone else just sucks.

People who spam up a topic without giving any valid input (like most of your posts) are the retards.

 

On topic (You wouldnt know what that means Rocky)

 

If the GFX on GTAIV were like Halo 3 etc, I wouldnt even play it. The story line os what does it for me, The GFX will be the same style, not to real, thats GTA folks.

The gameplay adds a great atmosphere to a game.

 

I still find GTA3, VC and SA incredibly funny to play. And the graphics are still great... But it's also important that they fit the game, which they do.

[iRloading]

the graphics seem well enough for me, a definite step up from san andreas and worthy to be called "next gen"

 

gfx ain't everything if the overall game has a rubbish story, lackluster gameplay and limited replayability.

 

- story

- gameplay

- replayability

 

those were or are what made the gta series so acceptable to a wide array of gamers/audience.

 

name an open-ended, pony farming game that had a compelling storyline, easy to pick up gameplay and had loads of replayability in it besides GTA

 

Mafia in it's time, bested GTA with it's superior graphics/textures and movie-quality story, but the gameplay wasn't exactly friendly and replayability was sorta "meh" when you compared it to GTA3

 

a good analogy to what your saying:

 

hot chick who knows no tricks, or average chick who's got kinky tricks?

 

kinky tricks leave you coming back for more is what I'm trying to say here

[Mand'alor]

The only people posting in here are the retard, excluding Vanilla, his point only makes sense. Everyone else just sucks.

Funny how you say everybody posting in the topic sucks (even though some gave good answers) except the only other guy who is in an Official Gang.

[LaMigra]

The only people posting in here are the retard, excluding Vanilla, his point only makes sense. Everyone else just sucks.

Funny how you say everybody posting in the topic sucks (even though some gave good answers) except the only other guy who is in an Official Gang.

hmmm... now there's a point that truly makes sense.

 

@ topic...

 

As I started to get into before, I honestly think that this title on the new consoles will only serve to draw more people into the frachise. People who, if they have never played GTA before, will finally get to see what a real open sandbox game brings to the table. I think GTAIV will be a shot in the arm for the whole franchise.

 

As for the game itself, I don't think ANY of us will be let down. We'll all revel in the new opportunities for exploration and interactivity. Bottom line, I see nothing but good things in the GTA future.