Vercetti in GTAIV

[OptimumPx]

Tommy won't be in GTA IV.  This is a new beginning for the GTA series, new Liberty City, new storylines.

 

Sam Houser said back in 2004 that "San Andreas is the official conclusion to a trilogy [that] began with Grand Theft Auto III."

Will be stop saying that sh*t.

 

R* never outright said we're leaving everything behind from the past GTAs. They never said no characters would return and they never said the storyline would be discontinued. If R* said any of those things saying this was a whole new GTA get proof and not your own version of proof with you saying it was in a magazine.

rockstar did say that you deuce

 

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IMO he doesn't look like tommy

no they didn't you f*cking idiot. The closet thing they said was virtually no returning characters. We don't know to what extent they meant by that and if no characters were returning at all or this was a different universe altogether they would've said no returning characters dumb ass.

 

and as i said if they did find the proof.

It was from a magazine, GMR Issue #20, September 2004. But don't worry...I own a scanner!

 

well if there is no connection to old gta then y is there still brands and the 300$ to vice city and same car names so i think that is some B.S

I was talking about the game's storylines. The brands have nothing to do with that.

 

In fact they have changed several times. The GAP was known as 'GASH' in Vice City and 'ZIP' in San Andreas.

[hellknightdemon]

Tommy won't be in GTA IV.  This is a new beginning for the GTA series, new Liberty City, new storylines.

 

Sam Houser said back in 2004 that "San Andreas is the official conclusion to a trilogy [that] began with Grand Theft Auto III."

Will be stop saying that sh*t.

 

R* never outright said we're leaving everything behind from the past GTAs. They never said no characters would return and they never said the storyline would be discontinued. If R* said any of those things saying this was a whole new GTA get proof and not your own version of proof with you saying it was in a magazine.

rockstar did say that you deuce

 

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IMO he doesn't look like tommy

no they didn't you f*cking idiot. The closet thing they said was virtually no returning characters. We don't know to what extent they meant by that and if no characters were returning at all or this was a different universe altogether they would've said no returning characters dumb ass.

 

and as i said if they did find the proof.

It was from a magazine, GMR Issue #20, September 2004. But don't worry...I own a scanner!

 

well if there is no connection to old gta then y is there still brands and the 300$ to vice city and same car names so i think that is some B.S

I was talking about the game's storylines. The brands have nothing to do with that.

 

In fact they have changed several times. The GAP was known as 'GASH' in Vice City and 'ZIP' in San Andreas.

so wat? u said no connection and y is there sprunk, cluckin bell all that other stuff dont pull stupid crap like that

[OptimumPx]

I never said the made up brands wouldn't be there, I said "This is a new beginning for the GTA series, new Liberty City, new storylines."

 

This clearly isn't the same Liberty City seen in GTA III/Vice City/San Andreas anymore then that version is the same as the original Liberty City.

 

The brands aren't connected to that. In GTA III there was no Burger Shot...they had Bolt Burgers. Vice City has GASH while San Andreas has ZIP.

[hellknightdemon]

 

I never said the made up brands wouldn't be there, I said "This is a new beginning for the GTA series, new Liberty City, new storylines."

 

This clearly isn't the same Liberty City seen in GTA III/Vice City/San Andreas anymore then that version is the same as the original Liberty City.

 

The brands aren't connected to that.  In GTA III there was no Burger Shot...they had Bolt Burgers.  Vice City has GASH while San Andreas has ZIP.

and thats because alot can change in a 30 year time span

[OptimumPx]

 

I never said the made up brands wouldn't be there, I said "This is a new beginning for the GTA series, new Liberty City, new storylines."

 

This clearly isn't the same Liberty City seen in GTA III/Vice City/San Andreas anymore then that version is the same as the original Liberty City.

 

The brands aren't connected to that.  In GTA III there was no Burger Shot...they had Bolt Burgers.  Vice City has GASH while San Andreas has ZIP.

and thats because alot can change in a 30 year time span

San Andreas takes place in 1992.

Vice City takes place in 1986.

 

That's 6 years.

 

And Burger Shot is in GTA IV but wasn't in GTA III was the point i was making with that. (And it's a 9 year difference between San Andreas and GTA III...a burger joint wouldn't change names in that short a time, if ever).

 

From Vice City in 1986 to GTA III in 2001 is 15 years.

 

Anyway, I sticking with what Sam Houser himself said, "San Andreas is the official conclusion to a trilogy [that] began with Grand Theft Auto III."

[hellknightdemon]

I never said the made up brands wouldn't be there, I said "This is a new beginning for the GTA series, new Liberty City, new storylines."

 

This clearly isn't the same Liberty City seen in GTA III/Vice City/San Andreas anymore then that version is the same as the original Liberty City.

 

The brands aren't connected to that.  In GTA III there was no Burger Shot...they had Bolt Burgers.  Vice City has GASH while San Andreas has ZIP.

and thats because alot can change in a 30 year time span

San Andreas takes place in 1992.

Vice City takes place in 1986.

 

That's 6 years.

 

And Burger Shot is in GTA IV but wasn't in GTA III was the point i was making with that. (And it's a 9 year difference between San Andreas and GTA III...a burger joint wouldn't change names in that short a time, if ever).

 

From Vice City in 1986 to GTA III in 2001 is 15 years.

 

Anyway, I sticking with what Sam Houser himself said, "San Andreas is the official conclusion to a trilogy [that] began with Grand Theft Auto III."

ooooo cry me a river, sue me, i dont care i just want to know if u say no connection then y is there still things being mentioned from old gta's, such as the "vercetti case" from that magazine and other stuff

[Tranque]

Uh.. Dan Houser said there would be "Virtually no returning characters" Meaning there may be one or two. The vercetti case is a prime example, but you have to understand that the past characters will most likely not have a huge impact on the story/nico. Why? Because they said they wanted this to be seperated from the storylines of the other three. So yes there may be a cameo or two, but it won't be a major turning point/plot point.

 

Thats just how I see it.

[chunky_monkey]

ever since i read the last preview i thought that was ray or bell one of the mobsters niko works for

[Tranque]

ever since i read the last preview i thought that was ray or bell one of the mobsters niko works for

To be honest, it probably is. If they were going to have a cameo they would keep it under wraps a bit more in the Screenshot department, and treat the players to the suprise. So I can't see a resembelance/hear a resembelance but I dont deny the existence of a cameo..

[OptimumPx]

 

I never said the made up brands wouldn't be there, I said "This is a new beginning for the GTA series, new Liberty City, new storylines."

 

This clearly isn't the same Liberty City seen in GTA III/Vice City/San Andreas anymore then that version is the same as the original Liberty City.

 

The brands aren't connected to that.  In GTA III there was no Burger Shot...they had Bolt Burgers.  Vice City has GASH while San Andreas has ZIP.

and thats because alot can change in a 30 year time span

San Andreas takes place in 1992.

Vice City takes place in 1986.

 

That's 6 years.

 

And Burger Shot is in GTA IV but wasn't in GTA III was the point i was making with that. (And it's a 9 year difference between San Andreas and GTA III...a burger joint wouldn't change names in that short a time, if ever).

 

From Vice City in 1986 to GTA III in 2001 is 15 years.

 

Anyway, I sticking with what Sam Houser himself said, "San Andreas is the official conclusion to a trilogy [that] began with Grand Theft Auto III."

ooooo cry me a river, sue me, i dont care i just want to know if u say no connection then y is there still things being mentioned from old gta's, such as the "vercetti case" from that magazine and other stuff

The so-called 'Vercetti Case' (according to the article) took place in 2003. The game is set in 2007 (or was in the original previews)...a 4 year difference. I'd doubt something that happened 4 years earlier would effect Niko.

 

Next it's most likely not official, for starters all the other sites and magazines would be jumping all over it if it were confirmed. It's likely artistic license by the writers...like the interview with Goldberg's secretary that's also in the article.

 

And what other references? Theres the brand names, car names and a billboard with Vice City on it...but so far thats it. No real talk of continuing storylines or anything. The only connections so far have been nothing more then window dressing.

[voteneg]

 

I never said the made up brands wouldn't be there, I said "This is a new beginning for the GTA series, new Liberty City, new storylines."

 

This clearly isn't the same Liberty City seen in GTA III/Vice City/San Andreas anymore then that version is the same as the original Liberty City.

 

The brands aren't connected to that.  In GTA III there was no Burger Shot...they had Bolt Burgers.  Vice City has GASH while San Andreas has ZIP.

and thats because alot can change in a 30 year time span

San Andreas takes place in 1992.

Vice City takes place in 1986.

 

That's 6 years.

 

And Burger Shot is in GTA IV but wasn't in GTA III was the point i was making with that. (And it's a 9 year difference between San Andreas and GTA III...a burger joint wouldn't change names in that short a time, if ever).

 

From Vice City in 1986 to GTA III in 2001 is 15 years.

 

Anyway, I sticking with what Sam Houser himself said, "San Andreas is the official conclusion to a trilogy [that] began with Grand Theft Auto III."

ooooo cry me a river, sue me, i dont care i just want to know if u say no connection then y is there still things being mentioned from old gta's, such as the "vercetti case" from that magazine and other stuff

The so-called 'Vercetti Case' (according to the article) took place in 2003. The game is set in 2007 (or was in the original previews)...a 4 year difference. I'd doubt something that happened 4 years earlier would effect Niko.

 

Next it's most likely not official, for starters all the other sites and magazines would be jumping all over it if it were confirmed. It's likely artistic license by the writers...like the interview with Goldberg's secretary that's also in the article.

 

And what other references? Theres the brand names, car names and a billboard with Vice City on it...but so far thats it. No real talk of continuing storylines or anything. The only connections so far have been nothing more then window dressing.

Well if there is so much as a passing reference to a former character then you'd be entirely wrong about this.

 

Take for example that shark we see in trailer one... just like the vice city shark... what if that was an advertisement for some Steve Scott (the porn director from vice) film? Or along the same lines a Candy Suxx poster on some wall... either would prove a common tie between this new era of GTA and that of old. So if you wanna hinge your entire name on the fact that there will not be any returning characters/cameos/ or even references then go ahead.

 

I'm just saying that I find it highly unlikely there wont be. I don't expect some big giant surprise where Tommy V busts through the door and partners up with Niko and in a firing blaze of glory takes down an entire army of guys... (as much as I wish it would) ...I only expect something small. And I think a cameo is exactly what Hauser had in mind when he said "virtually no returning characters."

[Darkgamr]

It could be, you can't see any resemblence because this person is about 100x more detailed than the original tommy. And the magazine confirms that he was in Liberty City in 2003. Assuming that the magazine is legit, Vercetti will likely at least make a cameo. Which I would love, as I always wondered whether he would go the tony montana route and become a junkie, or if he wouldn't let the power get to his head

[ceedot]

It could very well be Tommy.

 

 

'Virtually no characters returning', but that doesn't mean none are returning. I doubt it, but it's a possibility.

[NinjaJones]

I could see him being a really old Tommy Vercetti, but I highly doubt it. Especially since rockstar said that no main characters would be returning.

No they didnt. What was said was "Virtually no characters will be returning." So about one or maybe two. But I also doubt that Tommy will be back. I wouldn't mind Ray playing a different character though

Yeah "Virtually no characters will be returning." So since there has been 3 main characters (GTA III, VC, SA not counting PSP) even a single main character would not fit in that "Virtually no characters" catagory...MAYBE we'll see a side character or someone you did a few missions for but a main chartacter? I don't think so...

[CarpetDweller]

Here's a couple of quotes from magazines over the last 6 months.

 

 

How about returning characters?

I can clear that up: there will be virtually none. The theory being more than anything that we wanted the game to evolve. We wanted the way we do characters to evolve, and they couldn't evolve if they were the same characters. Anyway, most of the characters we liked were dead, and it also just felt like those characters evolved out from the way those games felt and looked. It wasn't like they were developed in isolation. they were developed for and worked in that kind of game world. This time we want characters that work in this kind of game world, so they can't really co-exist.

 

So this is a total fresh start?

Yes, it just felt like the natural thing to do. At the same time we have brought back some of the brands. So there's still some sort of homage to the GTA world stuff. As you see when you walk around New York you need so many thousands and thousands of brands anyway, so there's hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of new ones, but we have got some of the classic ones - Sprunk and so on - returning.

 

 

Is there any crossover with previous GTA game characters?

DH: Not really, no. Some of the brands have crossed over, things like Sprunk, or Clucking Bell, bell they were so cool. They were the last vestiges of the old generation GTA world. In terms of characters, there are two bits of thinking behind the decision to start from scratch. We've done five games with those characters and it's a bit done to death. And loads of the ones we liked are dead. We want to get some new fans for the game ideally and a new audience, not just keep old ones happy. In terms of pure narative, we want everything to feel like it's the same, like everything is intergrated and the characters belong in the world. It just made sense to start again because we wanted more rounded, diverse, richer characters.

 

The second one seems much more negative about the possibility of returning characters.

I still think it's possible that they'll still have a few references and maybe a brief cameo, but I doubt they'd intentionally reveal it in a trailer.

[Typhus]

Mark my words. No returning characters. That is what the police database will be for. To give us closure. But I believe Tommy to be dead. The drug barons of Vice City all have a short life span. What makes him so different? I actually think that in a roundabout way Rckstar has given us plenty of hints as to his fate. Not least the sombre music at the end of Vice City.

[chunky_monkey]

i think the guy some people think is tommy and this guy are ray and bell

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/3609/3797gtaivjy4.jpg

 

ps.the guy is way to old to be tommy ,tommys in his 50s at least and this guy looks 60 to 70 .

[Ryder35]

R said IV have no things related with old gtas ...

 

 

[upthespurs]

That bloke could pass for any age between 55 and 75. So age-wise he would fit the bill for TV.

However, there is no way on earth that that is Ray Liotta voicing him.

 

Absolutly NO WAY

 

Definitely not...

[james_root]

if tommy will be like that i don't want to see him

[sidny]

he looks like paulie from sopranos

[Creed Bratton]

"Virtually no characters will be returning"

 

That could mean that some old voice actors from previous GTAs will play another character. I personally dont think Tommy or any protagonist will be back. Their voice actors however, probably will cause that kinda talent aint easy to find. But R* knows where to look

[TheDude5000]

Nah. Rockstar confirmed GTAIV will have no connection to the original GTAIII trilogy

Uh, no that's just a bullsh*t rumor. But I dont think thats him in the trailer either.

[st_jimmy009]

What role did tommy play in SA? Or how was he mentioned?

[OptimumPx]

What role did tommy play in SA? Or how was he mentioned?

When you reach Las Venturas you run into, and start working with, Ken Rosenberg from Vice City.

 

During one of the missions you're with him he yells out something like, "Tommy save me!" To which CJ replies, "Who the hell is Tommy?"

[hawkstorm182]

I see where you are coming from, but he looks to old if, this guy looks at least 65, 70 tommy vercetti say he was like 34 in vice city that was set in 1986 so 22 years ago meaning he would now be like 56.

 

good suggestion though could be possable, and for the record rockstar did not say GTA IV would have no links they said "hardly any chars form previous games would return becuase most are dead" tommy did not die.

[mufc]

That looks like phil leotardo from the sopranos

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Leotardo

[Rabia]

I would love if Vercetti appears in one scene for at least 10 seconds and says something.

I'll gt a tingle in the stomach and be like "Ahh.. The good ol' days.."

Yeah, Rockstar said that characters won't appear but you never know, Rockstar might put Vercetti in as a surprise.