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MindCorrupt

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Now, I wouldnt say i'm a stranger to the world of drugs, I'm a regular pot smoker and have tried (abused?) a large array of illicit substances ranging from the hallucinogenic to the night out drugs, if i were to probably name them all i'd feel rather ashamed. Couldnt help but sing "hey hey were the junkies!" when doing some lines in a bathroom the other week...

 

But after my experiences on these substances i've noticed a growing trend of younger adults coming out of school and getting into the harder stuff rather reguarly. I always wondered the effects of what this cocktail of substances would have on a still maturing body of a young adult, will the next generation of workers be f*cked?

 

I was just wondering what others thoughts on this are?

 

edit - wrong forum.

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Svip

While I have not tried it much, I admit, have tried it, but that was a long time ago, and no, not hard drugs. But from what I have heard, it varies from person to person. Some or most people have no visible or long term damaging effects on smoking pot, while others do.

 

And while hard drugs are generally more dangerous for a larger array of people, it is probably the same story, some get hurt more by the drugs than others.

 

But one thing I think is certain, is that a growing/maturing body need not all these things, however, we all know that while a maturing body is somewhat less resistant to many things, it also a good thing to be exposed to some things while maturing, in order to make your body protect you from these things later in life. However, I do not think hard drugs or any kind of drugs (maybe some medical stuff perhaps) is the latter here.

 

The next problem is getting people to understand the issues. And I don't really think you can get anyone to do that. Despite the amount of information you give people, even when it is honest and true, they all think it is propaganda and/or won't listen. Few experience the consequences of doing hard drugs, and some are lucky enough to survive. But even then, what will they choose?

 

In my experience, people need been warned before it happens, and while that is already being attempted, it is not done in the right manner. And a lot of people start because it is illegal, then they get into a routine, and care not if it is illegal or legal, they are addicted.

 

I may not know all that much about these subjects, as while they are of grave concern in my country, the issues are not that great. But one thing is certain, there have been a lot less focus on it here lately.

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GingerSkullpion

People do it in most cases because they think its cool and think it makes them act 'grown up' other than that, people sometimes do it because they want to see for themselves what its like.

 

Another reason is because its illegal and we know in todays world that the word 'illegal' to young people like myself doesn't mean jack anymore, and they'll just do it anyway. Also how Illicit drugs are widely available in todays society its no wonder more and more people are turning to them, like they say 'if its there, have it' the best thing to do is let people learn from the experience and try to provent it from happening to other people who are thinking about trying drugs of any kind, but even that falls on deaf ears.

 

I myself have never tried any illicit drugs and never will, as I know to myself I don't need drugs as they ruin your life or close to ruining your life.

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I myself have never tried any illicit drugs and never will, as I know to myself I don't need drugs as they ruin your life or close to ruining your life.

 

The problem with that mentality is that, one day you might try an illicit drug and discover that you truly don't need it. Take cannabis for an example. If you try it one night at a party, have a wonderful time, don't die, don't feel like you're going to die when you come down, are you really going to think that pot is such a bad thing? People that carry this mentality are often the quickest to abuse pot when they try it, because somehow they get the idea that, "It was all lies, this is completely harmless, I can smoke and smoke and smoke and nothing will ever change." It's a worn out phrase, but Moderation is Key, as with all things in life. Some people can tend to take in the propaganda, and of course the misguided notion of addiction, and treat it as something that is somehow above any other vice or habit. There is a big difference between chemical dependency, and addiction. Addiction is defined as a behavior that you continue despite negative consequences. People who skate board all day long, may get bad grades, and do it anyway; it's because of this definition that things like "gambling addictions", "internet addictions" and so on are coming out of the mist of bullsh*t. What no one pays attention to is that, if you skate board all day long and get bad grades, that doesn't mean you won't be successful, it just means that you'll have bad grades. That won't effect your ability later in life to open up a skate-board shop later in life and be successful in business, or maybe if you're really lucky become a professional skater.

 

However, this is where the separation arrives. While legal things like the internet, gambling, skating, can lead to success and addiction, there's very rarely criminal charges going along with that. If a skate-boarder skates all day long and gets bad grades, he probably won't be arrested for it, and he'll probably be able to find a job very quickly. On the other hand, in America, a guy who smokes pot all day would quickly be arrested, and is also excluded from many jobs due to drug testing. Smoking marijuana does not make you a jobless criminal in the U.S., the U.S. makes you a jobless criminal if you smoke pot. This is where government snuffs out opportunity. If cannabis were a legal crop, the economy alone could expect to see enormous profits from potheads that smoke pot all day, growing pot and selling it in stores, to smoke pot all day--exactly what they're doing now. And in fact, they're doing it in SUCH a large scale now, that in the North American continent.. Hell, in Ontario alone, weed is a $20 billion a year crop. (Lost my citation on this, sorry)

 

All of that profit would not carry over if it were legal, I believe. If it were far more plentiful, far more accessible, without the possible criminal charges, it just could not be sold for the same outrageous prices; in many parts of the U.S., people are paying up to $600-$700 an ounce. The shear amount. and of course the other merchandise generated by it--bong shops, weed clothes, hemp, hemp-derived-cellulose products--could tip the scales to make it quite profitable. The DEA spends how many hundreds of millions of dollars a year to fight marijuana? Well, compared to the hundreds of billions the black-market nature facilitates, the mighty DEA is mostly digging up crops of ditch weed. Prohibition in the 1930's alone should show how completely futile and counter-productive drug prohibition really is. So why keep doing it? I have my own theories, though nothing as clearly as evident and ridiculous as drug-prohibition in history.

 

I simply believe that in the current state of drug scheduling, with the DEA and the FDA basically dictating the scheduling of all drugs, I believe it is more profitable for those agencies in question for marijuana to remain illegal than it would be it it were legal. It's the same at the end of alcohol prohibition in the 1930s, there were hundreds of cops laid off work because there just wasn't that much crime to fight anymore. The DEA is funded hundreds of millions a year to fight just marijuana alone, and in 2005 it put away 740k on possession alone; most of those people are probably also paying off fines and also engaging in prison-labor camps. How much would these people (DEA, NIDA, FDA, etc.) still make if all the sudden pot were legal? There would suddenly be hundreds of millions of dollars missing from their budget. It's foolish to have such agencies in charge, where it is in their best interest to keep drugs like cannabis illegal. Just research the current drug scheduling in the U.S., for some reason some of the most tame, non-addictive, non-toxic drugs are Shedule I ( shrooms, lsd, cannabis), and under Sheduel II ( available by prescription) opium, cocaine, and many others that are just outrageously toxic and addictive. The DEA and FDA's reasoning for this is that they believe cannabis has no therapeutic value, despite tons and tons of research to the contrary, and even the former head of the DEA admitting to its medicinal benefits. Yet, the current DEA regards this as bunk, and really only pays attention to research done by the National Institute on Drug Addiction (NIDA) and the Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP). Who are these organizations? Well, NIDA is the organization that provides the gutter-science, such as the infamous flawed research experiments on Rhesus monkeys that caused brain damage by asphyxiation. The ONDCP specializes mostly in those ridiculously stupid Public Service Announcements, though usually through subsidiaries like Partnership For a Drug Free America. In the end, the DEA only really pays attention to the research that NIDA gives them, and this research is heavily scrutinized by just about everyone else in the scientific community abroad. While there's really no strong evidence, and I doubt there will ever be an investigation lead into it, I really think that agencies like the DEA and NIDA are benefiting by having cannabis illegal, because they simply wouldn't make as much money off of it if it were legal. Cannabis is one hell of a cash crop yes, , but if by legislation and mandate, you make a plant more valuable than its weight in gold, you will never see the same revenue if it were suddenly as plentiful and accessible as cannabis could be. Years ago, I found a website called MAPS, it was an organization that was seeking legally obtained cannabis to do research on. They could not get any however, because the NIDA believed that their research was sufficient enough. What this lead to over time, was me finding many other research labs, professors, and in fact a very broad group of professionals that would pretty much be denied anything to test legally if their goal was to test the effects on brain development, IQ, lungs and lung-cancer, and basically anything they feel would refute their own current research. Many of them have also complained that when they are supplied weed by the NIDA, it is usually comprised mostly of sticks and seeds and does not actually represent anything that is bought and smoked by the public; some of the people in this group have actually accused them of just sending them "hemp", cannabis grown of industrial purposes with very little THC. The bottom line is that the cannabis NIDA supplies is about 2.5% THC by gram, where as most street cannabis is between 8-10%, and most very potent strains which are becoming more comment are anywhere between 15-20%. The bottom line is that we will probably never see any true research with the DEA only accepting NIDA's reports, and we won't see the drug scheduling reflect the true nature of the drugs ( as demonstrated by scientific studies broad ) until there is some true research. Who knows if there is actually corruption in the DEA and the FDA, the only thing that people can truly point out is that the science the NIDA is supply them is completely false.

 

I tell you all of this snot to spout my immense knowledge, because I left many things out. What's really going on with people getting into heavier stuff over here? The relentless campaigns by the ONDCP to make pot seem harmful and bad is actually having the undesirable effect of leading more and more teens to other drugs such as methamphetamine, heroin, ecstasy, or cocaine. A lot of younger teens I talk to see pot as a loser drug, and are into coke and meth because they see it as a "party" drug, and of course with coke the issue of it being "extravagant" comes into play. I recall reading a poll many years back that asked teens whether they thought trying marijuana once was more dangerous than drinking everyday, doing cocaine regularly, and LSD occasionally, and the majority of them thought that trying marijuana once was much more dangerous than drinking everyday and doing coke occasionally. However, I think the real problem with this is that most of the information that teens are made aware of is geared towards pot because it is still the most abused illicit drug nationally. Thus, most of the "research" (see: gutter science) that teens are being shown in health classes are pertinent mostly to cannabis. There's also the issue of drug testing; what a lot of teens are finding out now is that drugs like alcohol, cocaine, and methamphetamine, are very hard to find in drug tests, whereas cannabis is quite easy to find and stays in ones urine stream for a long time. Add more to this, it's much easier to easily conceal the use of a drug like cocaine or meth by snorting.

 

I think that explains a lot of the reason why kids are turning to harder drugs, but I think it also explains why we won't really know what these harder drugs are going to do to their developing minds, at least in the U.S. With most of the science pertinent to cannabis, and most of that science gutter-science, I doubt we're going to know what effects these drugs have on their brains. The other thing that doesn't help this, is that many of these drugs are comprised of different chemicals, and that can be hard to track.

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EasyTiger

I don't think it will affect the next generation of workers, i mean people nowadays are f*cked but not because of the drug abuse of the 70-80's.

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Dr Doidberg

People are different. Some people can handle their drugs and others can't. Drugs can take a hold of your life. There is not enough REAL info about drugs out there except lies and bs. I've seen a lot of peoples lives f*cked up from alcohol/hard drugs. If your gonna do hard drugs be careful.

 

I believe if the general public had access to information about drugs they are going to do addiction wouldn't be as big as a problem as it is today.

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People do it in most cases because they think its cool and think it makes them act 'grown up' other than that, people sometimes do it because they want to see for themselves what its like.

 

Another reason is because its illegal and we know in todays world that the word 'illegal' to young people like myself doesn't mean jack anymore, and they'll just do it anyway. Also how Illicit drugs are widely available in todays society its no wonder more and more people are turning to them, like they say 'if its there, have it' the best thing to do is let people learn from the experience and try to provent it from happening to other people who are thinking about trying drugs of any kind, but even that falls on deaf ears.

This is bang on. If the word 'illegal' is used, it becomes so much more interesting and enticive to younger people. When I was younger, I started smoking because I thought it was 'cool'. Believe me, it is ANYTHING but cool. I can barely run 20 feet now without being out of breath, this is because I smoke 20 cigarettes a day and it's not something to be proud of.

 

Being a rebel and going against what you are told is best for you might seem like a great idea when you're young, but trust me - it's not. With my parents being so protective it made me want to try illegal stuff more than ever. I was addicted to ecstasy for at least half a year - which believe me is a hard substance to quit (not physically but mentally). I'm not going to disagree, illicit drugs are great, but let me put it to you this way: are they really worth losing your family and partner over? This is coming from experience, it's not the right thing to do.

 

To conclude, the benifits of illicit substances might seem to outweigh the downfalls but come on, is a short-term buzz really worth losing your family and partner over?

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