Im Rick James B**ch! Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 Just browsing through the "Top 5 Punk Bands" thread, and realized this: I am a genre Nazi. There, i said it. Someone is negligent with their choice of terms, and my first reaction is to flame. But should i better myself? Or do we, as society, need nazis to ensure efficiency? Where is the boundary between being practical and being pedantic? And why do i, in much a hypocritical fashion, hate other Nazis? For the closet Nazis reading this, i urge you to illuminate your problem to the world. Remember, the first step is admitting you have a problem. 88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primer43 Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 So... What's this topic about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Campo Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 by being a genre nazi do you mean you only like one type? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Im Rick James B**ch! Posted September 18, 2007 Author Share Posted September 18, 2007 by being a genre nazi do you mean you only like one type? Being a genre Nazi is about flaming anyone who mislabels music. Eg. Calling Good Charlotte Punk. But thats a practical example. Many of us (and there is a lot of us) Nazis are just pedantic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trows Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 My music folder. I don't have enough "non-metal" music to go hardcore into subgenres... yet. No dough this post will get questions and and maybe even some fighting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Im Rick James B**ch! Posted September 18, 2007 Author Share Posted September 18, 2007 My music folder. I don't have enough "non-metal" music to go hardcore into subgenres... yet. Now thats what I'm talking about. Did you do that yourself or did you just base your categorization off the id3 tags? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trows Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 I categorized it all manually. That way I know exactly where I put everything. No dough this post will get questions and and maybe even some fighting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Im Rick James B**ch! Posted September 18, 2007 Author Share Posted September 18, 2007 Too much effort. Is it sub-categorized by artist or title? If it is the former, isn't their the risk of genre evolution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trows Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 Too much effort. Is it sub-categorized by artist or title? If it is the former, isn't their the risk of genre evolution? Artist, I always keep artists in the same place. If it's too hard to pick somewhere to place to put them, I put it in the "Various" folder. No dough this post will get questions and and maybe even some fighting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mullen Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 I f*cking hate it when people refer to some music as "Electronica" or "Dance". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Im Rick James B**ch! Posted September 19, 2007 Author Share Posted September 19, 2007 I f*cking hate it when people refer to some music as "Electronica" or "Dance". Even worse is the term "techno". A guitar is a technology, so then shouldn't all music involving it be labeled "techno"? How is any music not techno? People seem to believe that only that which relates to electronics are technologies. This is not the case. But that is only a minor annoyance. The most frustrating factor is that it is not specific, and consequently imposes one genres stereotypes upon other genres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 Even worse is the term "techno". A guitar is a technology, so then shouldn't all music involving it be labeled "techno"? How is any music not techno? People seem to believe that only that which relates to electronics are technologies. This is not the case. For a "Genre Nazi" you come off as a bit ignorant. I'll agree that the misuse of the term Techno as a blanket description for electronic music is annoying, but the genre itself has nothing to do with your above statement. Techno music originated in Detroit in the 80's and was a derivation of 70's Electronica with a more abrasive urban sound. Most Techno music was done entirely on Roland 808's and 303's with looped sequences and beats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Im Rick James B**ch! Posted September 19, 2007 Author Share Posted September 19, 2007 (edited) Even worse is the term "techno". A guitar is a technology, so then shouldn't all music involving it be labeled "techno"? How is any music not techno? People seem to believe that only that which relates to electronics are technologies. This is not the case. For a "Genre Nazi" you come off as a bit ignorant. I'll agree that the misuse of the term Techno as a blanket description for electronic music is annoying, but the genre itself has nothing to do with your above statement. Techno music originated in Detroit in the 80's and was a derivation of 70's Electronica with a more abrasive urban sound. Most Techno music was done entirely on Roland 808's and 303's with looped sequences and beats. What I'm saying is that the term "techno" should not be used to describe or label any music. The term "techno" is short for technology, correct? isn't a guitar a technology? Yes it is, as is any instrument. But wait, didn't you comment about how it is made primarily through the use of electronics? Yes, it is common knowledge. This implies that technology is confined to electronics. As this about technology is untrue, i just perceive the term "techno" as stupid. Do you not agree? Or do i still 'come off a bit ignorant'? Edited September 19, 2007 by Im Rick James B**ch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trows Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 Yeah you're sounding a little silly. Rock is actually this: Metal is actually this: and... (w)rap is this: No dough this post will get questions and and maybe even some fighting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 ^ The point I was trying to make is that your topic is about people who are particular about musical genres. Techno is a valid and specific musical genre which pertains to a specific type of music from a specific era and origin. It's roots as a genre revolve around Detroit producers such as Derrick May, Kevin Saunderson and Juan Atkins who developed a harder sounding danceable beat music by mixing the clean electronic sound of bands like Kraftwerk with distorted riff sequences, samples and drum machine beats. You are contradicting yourself by deconstructing the term techno after calling yourself a genre Nazi. Why not google or wiki the terms "techno music" or "Detroit techno" so you can understand what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Im Rick James B**ch! Posted September 20, 2007 Author Share Posted September 20, 2007 ^ The point I was trying to make is that your topic is about people who are particular about musical genres. Techno is a valid and specific musical genre which pertains to a specific type of music from a specific era and origin. It's roots as a genre revolve around Detroit producers such as Derrick May, Kevin Saunderson and Juan Atkins who developed a harder sounding danceable beat music by mixing the clean electronic sound of bands like Kraftwerk with distorted riff sequences, samples and drum machine beats. You are contradicting yourself by deconstructing the term techno after calling yourself a genre Nazi. Why not google or wiki the terms "techno music" or "Detroit techno" so you can understand what I mean. You are still having trouble understanding me, so I'll say this in the bluntest way possible: I am arguing that the genre Techno should not have been called "techno." Although genre labels shouldn't be deconstructed to such an extent, a genre's label should still be somewhat unique. Labeling a genre as "techno" is like labeling a musical genre "music". All music is technology as is all music music, thus, the logic of labeling a genre as such seems non-unique and therefore ignorant, well at least in my opinion. I am not arguing that people should not refer to it as "techno." This is how you have interpreted my argument, i am merely stating that when the genre was initially labeled, an alternative name would be more logical. Do you now understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 So, your problem with Techno is that you think those radio and club DJ's and music journalists back in the 80's should have chosen a different name for that style of music? That's a bit trivial for a genre Nazi. How do you feel about Acid, House and Trance? When the term Techno was first used back then, it was unique. Only since the 90's has it been used as a blanket term to cover all electronic dance music, and it annoys me to no end when people use it like that. Techno is what it is because of those involved in the scene when it was developed just like Rock and Roll is what it s for the same reason. "Rock" and "Rock and Roll" are different like "Industrial" and "Techno" are. Someone called it that at some point and it stuck. A true genre Nazi would understand and appreciate the origins of different genre and sub-genre and not be so hung up on nomenclature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Im Rick James B**ch! Posted September 20, 2007 Author Share Posted September 20, 2007 So, your problem with Techno is that you think those radio and club DJ's and music journalists back in the 80's should have chosen a different name for that style of music? That's a bit trivial for a genre Nazi. As i said (see my first post relating to techno), it is only a minor annoyance. How do you feel about Acid, House and Trance? When the term Techno was first used back then, it was unique. Only since the 90's has it been used as a blanket term to cover all electronic dance music, and it annoys me to no end when people use it like that. House - House is labeled as such due to its existence in "the warehouse". Acid - The reasoning behind the term acid is inconsistent. Trance - Unsure of the reasoning here. Not a trance fan. Using a term such as house or acid to differentiate musical genres is permissible as neither of these terms have defined meanings correlating (directly) to music (prior to the creation of these genres). I consider the term technology (techno) to satisfy such directness as music is created directly through technology. Not to say that a term with direct correlation cant be used, but it must be somewhat unique to the genre it defines. Uniquness not present within the term techno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 I give up, genre Nazi. Love me some Techno, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statutory Ray Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 I consider the term technology (techno) to satisfy such directness as music is created directly through technology. Guitar strings are made of metal, therefore metal cannot be a genre! Acid influences people to write music, therefore all genres containing the term "acid" have to go out the window... Noise rock is not a genre because all music is essentially noise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Im Rick James B**ch! Posted September 20, 2007 Author Share Posted September 20, 2007 I consider the term technology (techno) to satisfy such directness as music is created directly through technology. Guitar strings are made of metal, therefore metal cannot be a genre! Acid influences people to write music, therefore all genres containing the term "acid" have to go out the window... Noise rock is not a genre because all music is essentially noise. I hardly consider such relationship direct. A chain of causation permits me to dismiss such claimed relationships. As for noise rock, i do have the same issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statutory Ray Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 As for noise rock, i do have the same issue. Yet it's a real genre, as is techno. Being a genre Nazi usually means you are annoyed when people call something it isn't, not questioning well-known and previously established terminology because you don't agree with it. That's just being arrogant, and ironically plain wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDude5000 Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 So what's your opinion on what the f*ck Primus is? Thrash funk and psychedelic polka seem to be common ones, I even once saw grunge as a suggestion, if you'd believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statutory Ray Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 So what's your opinion on what the f*ck Primus is? Thrash funk and psychedelic polka seem to be common ones, I even once saw grunge as a suggestion, if you'd believe it. I would just be a lazy c*nt and say "alternative rock." Really, they're one of those bands that transcends genre and can only be classified by their own name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarface187 Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 Primus is their own genre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Im Rick James B**ch! Posted September 21, 2007 Author Share Posted September 21, 2007 As for noise rock, i do have the same issue. Yet it's a real genre, as is techno. Being a genre Nazi usually means you are annoyed when people call something it isn't, not questioning well-known and previously established terminology because you don't agree with it. That's just being arrogant, and ironically plain wrong. 1. Yes it is being annoyed when people mislabel music, but at the same time, it is not limited to that. Don't be so naive. 2. Yes, Nazis are usually arrogant. 3. I have trouble comprehending how i could be "plain wrong", when you consider the fact that the "correct" behaviour of a genre Nazi is founded of a subjective definition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statutory Ray Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 Don't get me wrong, I get where you're coming from. It's just that genres in music are not concrete, they are abstract, and are established by popular opinion, usually by those who know the genres best. While the majority of what people label "techno" is not exactly techno, the fact remains that there is a recognized and established genre of music labeled "techno." The word itself is an abbreviation for technology, it is not synonymous, and should not be taken literally. Denying that "techno" is not a genre of music is like denying that birds can fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Im Rick James B**ch! Posted September 21, 2007 Author Share Posted September 21, 2007 I was not denying its existence and i do agree with you that the term should not be deconstructed or interpret too literally. I am analysing a literal interpretation due to the fact that most who use the term do so by interpretation of its literal definition. That is, too many idiots call any electronically orientated music techno, because they consider electronics to be technology. If you know as many idiots as i do you will probably understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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