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The Unvirginiser

Was Jesus An Alien

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The Unvirginiser

After a heated abusive rant against my R.E teacher, I thought that this would be a wonderful discusion, and its very lucky that I am part of this delightful forum so that I can bang it on here devil.gif

 

Anyway so yeh.. what sounds more likely to you?

 

Jesus was God's son, came out of a virgin, wlaked on water, changed water to wine, survived crucifixion, rose from the dead and ascended in to heaven?

 

Or

 

Jesus was an alien, sent to help the world

 

The virgin Mary was abducted and implanted with Jesus

The three kings followed a UFO which appeared as a star to Jesus' birth place

Jesus healed hundreds of sick people with his divine powers

He turned water in to wine

He replicated food for the five thousand

He walked across water

He was killed on the cross, buried, then re-born days later

When he died, freak weather occured over Jerusalem as a result of alien technology

He was removed from his tomb and re-born

He ascended to an alien ship above the clouds and left for his home planet

 

People who see Jesus are being visited by the aliens

Jesus left his disciples and told them to spread the word of Chrisitianity

There are countless ancient paintings of jesus on the cross, being born, baptised and ascending with UFO's in the background

 

Well thats my theory anyway, what yall think?

 

 

 

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nlitement

Christianity obviously came from somewhere, and this Jesus might have just had a strong moral and wanted to change the cruel (compared to modern times) ways of the "old" times. Miracles? If placebo is a miracle, then I welcome miracles with open hands. What this man did was very influential, the church kept people under control.

 

To your theory: What?

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The Unvirginiser
Christianity obviously came from somewhere, and this Jesus might have just had a strong moral and wanted to change the cruel (compared to modern times) ways of the "old" times. Miracles? If placebo is a miracle, then I welcome miracles with open hands. What this man did was very influential, the church kept people under control.

 

To your theory: What?

Does it not make sense?

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TubbyJ

It's definetly a possibility, I'll give you that. A far-fetched one, but still a possibility. We don't know what aliens can do, if they have even visited Earth, which I seriously doubt. So it's easy to sit there and say "Ha, this defies what we know about how the universe works, so it most have been (insert deity, supernatural power, mind-bending science, or in your case, aliens, here)!".

 

Who knows, maybe it really was a miracle?

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*gta star*

Well, it's something that we'll never know. We all produce an image of Our Lord, some people see him differently, personally, I don't think he was an Alien.

 

 

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Saggy

Assumptions

 

--There ever tuly existed a being named Jesus

--That there is extraterrestrial life, and that they have visited us, and impregnated us

 

 

 

The evidence to both of these is very shaky at best.

 

There are people who believe that extraterrestrials visited early humanity, and even may have created humanity. There are others who believe two types of aliens came down, and created two different species of humans. There are all sorts of ludicrous ideas along the notion of aliens playing a part in early civilization.

 

 

I would be surprised if we even found undeniable proof that Jesus ever existed, let alone that he was an alien-zombie-ghost...

 

I have a hard time believing you're even serious with a topic title like that.

 

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K^2
I have a hard time believing you're even serious with a topic title like that.

Or with a user name like "The Unvirginiser".

 

Making any sort of assumptions about something that supposedly happen over 2000 years ago is stupid. Can you tell what will happen 2000 years from now? Then what makes you think you can tell anything about that far into the past?

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Making any sort of assumptions about something that supposedly happen over 2000 years ago is stupid. Can you tell what will happen 2000 years from now? Then what makes you think you can tell anything about that far into the past?

The past at least has evidence going for it, or clues at the very least.

 

Anyhow, @Hymen-splicer, Jesus being an alien is actually more plausible to me than Jesus being the son of God, I'll give you that. I know that's what you're getting at, so don't be afraid to tell that to your "R.E. teacher." Some folks around here take offense to tounge-in-cheek arguments, so I'd also be more straightforward with us if you actually want to have a conversation. tounge.gif

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The-King

It's certainly more believable to think he was an alien rather than a divine being sent from the heavens to provide a moral lesson to a confused people. But in the end the easiest and most plausible explanation is that he is simply a myth, a small tapestry sewn inexplicably into the fabric of time to deceive us into believing that we serve a greater purpose than simply being. In reality what we know about history is more of what we've gathered from historical texts which could easily have been lies created by their authors as a form of propaganda. History isn't so much facts as it is a series of intertwined opinions which we use to infer what was going on during any certain period of time.

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Otter

I'm much more inclined to believe that he was just a prophet, no different than any other. We do not dispute that Socrates existed, yet most of what we know of him was written by his successors.

 

He was just a thinker, a teacher, and the immaculate conception was probably the post-mortem fantasy of his devout followers - had the greeks not been such men of logic, the same may have happened to Socrates.

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K^2
Making any sort of assumptions about something that supposedly happen over 2000 years ago is stupid. Can you tell what will happen 2000 years from now? Then what makes you think you can tell anything about that far into the past?

The past at least has evidence going for it, or clues at the very least.

A record is just a prediction of the past. One thing going for it is that the universe itself dose the "math" for that prediction. If there was a single timeline, a record would tell you what actually happened. Universe, however, is indetermined. If you know any QM, you know that a deccay of a single particle is absolutely random. If you know any chaos theory, you should know that the butterfly effect can turn such a random event into a huge divergence in history. This works equally in preventing you from predicting the past and the future. This sets a limit to your ability to tell past from the record.

 

I will grant you that predicting the future is actually a bit harder than the past. One can make an estimate by computing the entropy flow from Earth by considering the temperature of the Sun, temperature of the Earth, and the ammount of heat that is absorbed and emitted. This will tell you how many more "future" states there are compared to the "past" states. Fewer "past" states will give you better odds of guessing past correctly, but you are still far from telling anything for sure.

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Vive La France

So... we killed the Messiah in Independence Day?

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jelly

 

Assumptions

 

--There ever tuly existed a being named Jesus

--That there is extraterrestrial life, and that they have visited us, and impregnated us

 

 

 

The evidence to both of these is very shaky at best.

 

There are people who believe that extraterrestrials visited early humanity, and even may have created humanity. There are others who believe two types of aliens came down, and created two different species of humans.  There are all sorts of ludicrous ideas along the notion of aliens playing a part in early civilization.

 

 

I would be surprised if we even found undeniable proof that Jesus ever existed, let alone that he was an alien-zombie-ghost... 

 

I have a hard time believing you're even serious with a topic title like that.

I like to think that the evidence of green little men in flying saucers, and the Invisible Man in the Sky with his tablets, telling you what to eat, drink, wear, say and do through appearing as a burning bush is just about equal.

 

Try listening to a conspiracy theorist UFO-guy first, find it on youtube or something, then find one of these televangelists on youtube or similar. Tell me there's much of a difference. At least the UFOlogists are basing their bullshit on fairly RECENT crackpot 'eyewitnesses'. ph34r.gif

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travisbatos

this thread is hilarious to atheists.

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K^2
this thread is hilarious to atheists.

And downright offensive to Christians. I call it a win-win.

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geomy

 

Well thats my theory anyway, what yall think?

I think Zeitgeist has offered the most reasonable theory, how the story of Jesus and the basis for Christianity follow the same principles as many other religions and their gods and prophets through history. It's just a modern twist on an timeless story.

 

Maybe we are all aliens.

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Shylock
Well thats my theory anyway, what yall think?

I think Zeitgeist has offered the most reasonable theory, how the story of Jesus and the basis for Christianity follow the same principles as many other religions and their gods and prophets through history. It's just a modern twist on an timeless story.

 

Maybe we are all aliens.

And maybe Moses really did defy the laws of (everything) and part the red sea single handedly.

 

I like to think of this like a story. Each time the story is told it gets embellished. The only problem with Christianity is that some asshole named Constantine decided to have the stories written down and cemented as a religion 1700+ years ago. Could you imagine what these religious stories would be if no one wrote them down and everyone just kept telling them?

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TubbyJ

Damn, I wish I was four years old again and all someone had to do was tell me that God was watching down on me and loved me. Instead I have to look at whats logical. I hate logic, it gets confusing when you have to actually put it to good use (like in this situation). Although, sadly, I'm forced to use it because I hate being force fed ideas more.

 

What I'm saying is, is that I'd rather be ignorant and happy than aware and stressing. Off-topic, sure, but I feel it needed to be said.

 

 

Assumptions

 

--There ever tuly existed a being named Jesus

--That there is extraterrestrial life, and that they have visited us, and impregnated us

 

Three major religions recognize Jesus Christ as at least existing. So that's saying something to the fact that Jesus did at least lived. Just to makes things fair, Buddha probably existed, too.

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TheRoper

 

Assumptions

--There ever tuly existed a being named Jesus

--That there is extraterrestrial life, and that they have visited us, and impregnated us

Three major religions recognize Jesus Christ as at least existing. So that's saying something to the fact that Jesus did at least lived. Just to makes things fair, Buddha probably existed, too.

Yeah, I think it's pretty well accepted that Jesus was an actual person.

 

 

Most scholars in the fields of history and biblical studies agree that Jesus was a Galilean Jew, was regarded as a teacher and healer, was baptized by John the Baptist, and was crucified in Jerusalem on orders of the Roman Governor Pontius Pilate under the accusation of sedition against the Roman Empire. While disbelief in the historicity of Jesus enjoyed a brief vogue at the turn of the 20th century, the great majority of modern scholars believe Jesus was a historical figure and that early documents provide at least some historical information concerning his life-- though there is much debate over the extent of the accuracy of these accounts.

 

 

 

I personally have no problem accepting that he did in fact exist; and perhaps he did great things for people and was highly revered. But no miracles were involved, and he was certainly not the son of God, IMO.

 

Keep in mind they may have discovered his family tomb. Or maybe not, but I'm still pretty sure he existed.

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Ph3L1z14n0
what makes you think you can tell anything about that far into the past?

That's exactly why we are discussing confused.gif , it's called an opinion

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K^2
what makes you think you can tell anything about that far into the past?

That's exactly why we are discussing confused.gif , it's called an opinion

Opinion is only worth discussing if it is argumented. You have opinions you simply want to vent? Very well. There is a General Discussion board for it. Vent there. If you express an opinion on D&D, be prepared to answer "why" questions.

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All-Blacks

 

It's definetly a possibility, I'll give you that. A far-fetched one, but still a possibility.

The existence of Jesus itself is far-fetched.

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PANDAEMON

hmm.. ive always thought that the whole "ressurection" myth is fake... i always thought that some grave robber mustve just found his tomb and taken the body away[beleiving it to have divine powers] thats probably why they didnt find it days later.

 

but still, really interesting theory and tis possible.

 

i beleive that the gods of all religeons must be aliens. in hinduism especially all the gods seem to be supernatural alien beings... and the same applies to egyptian, norse and greek mythology whose gods are EERILY SIMILAR.....

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Leftcoast

 

Jesus was an alien

 

Are you implying that he imigrated for a better job?

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Reincarnated

I think Jesus was a Mexican. "THREE PROOFS THAT JESUS WAS MEXICAN His first name was Jesus. He was bilingual. He was always being harassed by the authorities."

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DJLance2006
It's definetly a possibility, I'll give you that. A far-fetched one, but still a possibility.

The existence of Jesus itself is far-fetched.

Jesus in fact did exist... they found his tomb along with about 8 or 9 of his relatives...

 

Problem is... they found HIM in the tomb... therefore he didnt accend to "heaven"... (no this was not the initial burial, his family members stole his body from his original burial site so they could put his body alongside his other dead family members, it was tradition)

 

I believe he was a wise man for ppl to look up to back then...

 

I do not believe he simply "died" and " flew up into the sky"

 

Im no devoted christian, but i dont believe theres "nothing" beyond life...

 

 

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deadman28

Sorry to interrupt and sorry if this sounds a bit stupid but apparently Jesus was Jewish, he wasn't Christian.

 

I found this out on 'Are you smarter than a 10 year old?' Too bad I wasn't! biggrin.gif

 

By the way I'm loving the Alien idea but very doubt that was true.

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Eddie280

 

Sorry to interrupt and sorry if this sounds a bit stupid but apparently Jesus was Jewish, he wasn't Christian.

 

Slow clap... yes he was Jewish, he is the beginings of Christianity so hes followers were Jews who belived him to be the son of god making them Christians form then on.

 

Also some people are saying that we are Assuming that Jesus existed. But i thought most religious historians can agree that around 2000 years ago there must have been a very influental preacher called Jesus or something Similar but obviously his parentage is debatable. tounge2.gif

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HolyGrenadeFrenzy

 

After a heated abusive rant against my R.E teacher, I thought that this would be a wonderful discusion, and its very lucky that I am part of this delightful forum so that I can bang it on here  devil.gif

 

Anyway so yeh.. what sounds more likely to you?

 

Jesus was God's son, came out of a virgin, wlaked on water, changed water to wine, survived crucifixion, rose from the dead and ascended in to heaven?

 

Or

 

Jesus was an alien, sent to help the world

 

The virgin Mary was abducted and implanted with Jesus

The three kings followed a UFO which appeared as a star to Jesus' birth place

Jesus healed hundreds of sick people with his divine powers

He turned water in to wine

He replicated food for the five thousand

He walked across water

He was killed on the cross, buried, then re-born days later

When he died, freak weather occured over Jerusalem as a result of alien technology

He was removed from his tomb and re-born

He ascended to an alien ship above the clouds and left for his home planet

 

People who see Jesus are being visited by the aliens

Jesus left his disciples and told them to spread the word of Chrisitianity

There are countless ancient paintings of jesus on the cross, being born, baptised and ascending with UFO's in the background

 

Well thats my theory anyway, what yall think?

Lay off the hard drugs while watching the X-files is what I think.

 

But, when it comes to aliens and religion of any kind there is allot in common.

 

Both agree about being unearthly for one.

 

Both claim that modern man is lost.

 

Both make lots of money for many humans.

 

Both have many consiracy theories.

 

Both remain in psuedoscience far too often.

 

Both are considered to be important "Do you agree with me?" topics.

 

Both are things not to be overly talked about in the military unless you are talking to the person over such things.....aka the appropriate officer.

 

Both don't mix well with LSD and your toaster stroodle.

 

Hmmm...... yep you are a nut job...or a very clever Devil's advocate. devil.gif

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Sixdust

Jesus would have to change from the fiction section of literature first in order to make such considerations, unless there are indicators in that ever hypocritical book that show that Jesus, was in fact foreign to our rock and water which would make a great plot twist.

Oh noes teh jebus has a space shitp!!!01001100!

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