The Chain Game V2 18th Round (w/special vehicles)

[OrionSR]

yeah, I agree with gishrichb the barriers are gone but the player still gets the appropriate 4-star wanted level & it won't effect getting to 100%

I suspect we will be hearing about the barrier glitch again when radioman gets to LV and discovers that his barriers are back in place. I forget who has which version, radioman has a pure v2 installation, right? Is it just radioman with the barrier glitch, or do other v2 players have the same problem? And as long as we are talking about glitches: radioman, can you restart the Pimping mission on the current save? Also, can other v2 players restart Pimping, or pass the mission with an earlier save and not cause a glitch for other players.

 

I'm wondering if it makes a difference whether or not the save was created with a v1 game using v2 scripts, or a pure v2 installation. If the custom save and round 17 save were both created with v1 w/v2 scripts, then perhaps we should recruit someone to contribute some pure v2 saves before Green Sabre and Yay Ka-Boom Boom so we can run a few tests. Does anyone know where we might find some saves known to be pure v2?

 

The reason for my concern is that I'm hoping to create a new custom starter save, but don't want to introduce the same glitches since I'm using v2 scripts. Also, I have an idea for fixing the glitch. radioman, see if the barriers are behaving properly on this <Barrier Toggle Save>. This save is not intended for the chain game; it's only for a test.

 

[OrionSR]

I'll re-download the save and take the next mission without any edits.

 

Mission: Made in Heaven/Local Liquor Store

Called by: OrionSR

Link: <GTASnP>

Status: completed

Notes: 8-Track completed; Monster A and Hotring will spawn at the LS Stadium.

Completion: 35.29%

Edited August 25, 2007 by OrionSR

[Ryan]

yeah, I agree with gishrichb      the barriers are gone but the player still gets the appropriate 4-star wanted level & it won't effect getting to 100%

I suspect we will be hearing about the barrier glitch again when radioman gets to LV and discovers that his barriers are back in place. I forget who has which version, radioman has a pure v2 installation, right? Is it just radioman with the barrier glitch, or do other v2 players have the same problem? And as long as we are talking about glitches: radioman, can you restart the Pimping mission on the current save? Also, can other v2 players restart Pimping, or pass the mission with an earlier save and not cause a glitch for other players.

 

I'm wondering if it makes a difference whether or not the save was created with a v1 game using v2 scripts, or a pure v2 installation. If the custom save and round 17 save were both created with v1 w/v2 scripts, then perhaps we should recruit someone to contribute some pure v2 saves before Green Sabre and Yay Ka-Boom Boom so we can run a few tests. Does anyone know where we might find some saves known to be pure v2?

 

The reason for my concern is that I'm hoping to create a new custom starter save, but don't want to introduce the same glitches since I'm using v2 scripts. Also, I have an idea for fixing the glitch. radioman, see if the barriers are behaving properly on this <Barrier Toggle Save>. This save is not intended for the chain game; it's only for a test.

 

The way it works is that If a V2 player does The Green Sabre the baricades become unlocked for them and in the future when they upload the game the baricades won't be there. But for a V1 player after the mission, The Green Sabre the baricades will still be there for the rest of the game.

 

It is all V2 players that cause this glitch. As for these new players I dont know but I know radioman and I (ryan92) have pure V2.

[GTA Phreak]

I'll do one ....

 

Don't know if it helps clear up the issue, but I had a SnP request where I noticed that there was no barriers:

 

http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=290915

 

That is supposedly a native V2 save, but when played on V1 with V2 scripts there's no barriers.

 

Anyway

 

Mission: FAREWELL, MY LOVE...

Played by: GTA Phreak

Link: http://gtasnp.com/4333

Notes: Helena @ 25%

Progress: 35.83%

Edited August 25, 2007 by GTA Phreak

[zmoonchild]

I'll take another turn

 

Mission: Are You Going to San Fierro?

Played by: Zoomzoom (zmoonchild)

Link: http://gtasnp.com/download/4334

Notes:

Failed the mission once to obtain the Explosionproof Mothership (Camper), it can also be exported on the first Exports & Imports List; I stored it in the Hashbury garage. It may lose it’s unique paint style.

 

Also, the mission took away the minigun, I forgot to get another one.

 

The Hashbury, Calton Heights, and Paradiso Safe houses have been purchased

 

I collected a few more vehicles for Exports & Imports, they’re all located in the different San Fierro garages; some were modded just for fun.

 

Dirt Track completed, 1st place, $25000

 

Progress Made: 38.50% toward completion

Edited August 25, 2007 by zmoonchild

[OrionSR]

Barrier Glitch Testing

 

I've managed to isolate the flags that are suppose to be responsible for the barriers. Is there any chance I can talk a v2 native player into checking the bridges on 3 of these saves, and possibly even completing The Green Sabre and Yay Ka-Boom Boom? I know it's a lot to ask, but I don't have any method of checking this stuff myself. Perhaps v2 native players can share the load or contribute a little over time. The load locations were changed to Blueberry so CJ would be close to the barriers of the Martin, Panopticon, or Fallen Tree bridges, but you'll need to snag your own transportation. I've used the savegame editor to force certain barrier settings before the required mission for these tests.

 

<Big Smoke 01 01>

This is a variation on the custom save used by the chain game. Both barrier flags are set to 1, which is normal for games started with v1 w/v2 scripts; both barriers are present for v1/v2 players. Do v2 native players see any barriers at all?

 

<Reuniting the Families 00 00>

This appears to be the initial barrier settings for v2 native games. I don't have any examples of what happens when a v2 player completes The Green Sabre with these flags. These settings are the same as End of the Line for v1/v2 players when no barriers are present.

 

<The Green Sabre 00 01>

This is a normal chain game save completed by a v1/v2 player. V1/v2 players see barriers only at LV, v2 native players see no barriers at all. We've been over this before so it doesn't need to be checked again.

 

<Toreno's Last Flight 01 00>

This is the only other barrier option available unless there are other variables in addition to these flags. The savegame editor seems to think these two flags are the only difference, but I'm not so sure. V1/v2 players see barriers to SF but not LV; a setting I would not expect to see in a normal game.

 

My hypothesis is that there is something different in the executable that flags the barriers differently. Since v2 native players seem to start at 00 00, and make no change to either Green Sabre when the flags are 01 01, or on Yay Ka-Boom Boom when set to 00 01, my thought is a v2 native game wants to set the flags to xx 01 after Green Sabre, and 01 xx after Yay Ka-Boom Boom. This would imply that v2 native players would see no barriers on Big Smoke 01 01.

 

However, I find it odd that v2 players see no barriers between LS and SF on Green Sabre 00 01, so perhaps 01 00 is for LV barriers only, and both 00 00 and 01 01 display both barriers. This seems a rather odd way of programming this function, but how else could 00 01 disable both barriers for v2 native players? But more to the point is how v2 native players can start a new game with 00 00, and still finish a chain game with 00 00, and not notice that the barriers are completely scrambled over multiple chain games.

 

What else can it be? Is there something different about how SnP converts the ids? Someone mentioned deleting gta_sa.set to fix a glitch, but I can't find the reference; did that do something to the barriers?

 

 

[Girish]

 

What else can it be? Is there something different about how SnP converts the ids? Someone mentioned deleting gta_sa.set to fix a glitch, but I can't find the reference; did that do something to the barriers?

 

The gta_sa.set file stores the settings of the game for a particular user. I don't think this file has anything to do with the barriers.

Your hypothesis on flags sound interesting and might be possible but I'm still confused.

[Ryan]

 

Barrier Glitch Testing

WOW Very Very nice work OrionSR. If no one has tried them all by tomorrow I'll try them. I would do it now but it is 2:30 in the morning.

[OrionSR]

 

The gta_sa.set file stores the settings of the game for a particular user. I don't think this file has anything to do with the barriers.

Your hypothesis on flags sound interesting and might be possible but I'm still confused.

That's what I said about the .set file but then someone tried a new one and something got better, but I don't remember what. I tried downloading a bunch of v2 SnP requests and none of them had any of the barrier flags set. Either everyone cheats and disables the barriers, or v2 native handles the flags in a completely different manner. Still, I'm sure these flags control the barriers properly on v1/v2 games, and v2 native must recognize them somehow, but it's really difficult to track minor changes after missions, so I'm not sure I can narrow it down any further unless new data comes in from the test saves.

 

Sorry, it is not my intention to clutter this topic with editing discussions. I'd take a mission to get us back on track but I'm still on restriction.

 

Thanks ryan92, however, I'm starting to think I'm way off track on my predictions of how v2 native tracks the barriers. Still, a peek at a couple of saves from a reliable player will clear up a few questions.

Edited August 26, 2007 by OrionSR

[Girish]

I'll take a turn.

 

Mission: WEAR FLOWERS IN YOUR HAIR

Called By: girishb

Link: **Click Here**

Status: Complete

Notes: Purchased Zero's RC Shop.

Zero's missions are now available.

 

Completion: 39.57%

 

Edited August 26, 2007 by girishb

[OrionSR]

Ah, now I can play. Thanks G-Irish-B.

 

BTW, isn't Girish a fairly common name is some parts of the world?

 

Mission: 555 We Tip

Called By: OrionSR

Link:<GTASnP>

Status: Complete

Notes:

Valet Uniform in Wardrobe, Valet sub-mission unlocked

Levels 1-5 of Trucking complete

Several dates - CJ is getting a little chubby

Completion: 40.11%

 

 

Edited August 26, 2007 by OrionSR

[hmvartak]

Mission: Air Raid

Called By: hmvartak

Link: http://gtasnp.com/4341

Status: Complete

Notes:

Completion: 40.64%

 

Edited August 26, 2007 by hmvartak

[radioman]

@OrionSR, I'll try the 2 links of the green sabre and ya ka boom boom for you as a V2 player.

Edit: Both saves("the green sabre" and "Toreno's Last Flight") had no barriers on the bridges to Las Vegas and Nevada. and no barriers to LA.

btw, I like those saves, because of all the ammo you left for all the weapons.

Also, sorry again Girishb about misspelling your name.

 

I'll also take a turn, now.

 

Mission- Deconstruction

called by- Radioman

Link- Da Link.

Status- 42.25%

Notes- Took call from Jethro about Driving School-It is now open.

-Bought save house in Mission across from driving school

-Bought house in Soma, CA (the hotel one in queens)

- Collected Ammo.

 

@JAJ, since the driving school is a "named" mission, and thus changes the save name when finished, can you do that plus a named mission or does the school count as the mission for that turn? And where is the rocket launcher pick ups at, I can't seem to find any-the normal ones and the ones added for the chain game?-I was just wondering, as I was trying to find one in the PS2 version.

Edited August 26, 2007 by radioman

[Girish]

 

@JAJ, since the driving school is a "named" mission, and thus changes the save name when finished, can you do that plus a named mission or does the school count as the mission for that turn? And where is the rocket launcher pick ups at, I can't seem to find any-the normal ones and the ones added for the chain game?-I was just wondering, as I was trying to find one in the PS2 version.

I think you have to call driving school seperately. Though there have been instances in the past where a few tests were already completed without finishing off the school. What was remaining was getting gold. So, if you're gonna call it, be sure to get all golds.

For the rocket launcher, have a look at this map.

The special vehicle and weapons spawn map is on the first page. Didin't you find the special weapons?

 

 

 

BTW, isn't Girish a fairly common name is some parts of the world?

Really?

It is quite common in India but I dunno about the world.

Edited August 26, 2007 by girishb

[Girish]

I'll have a go..............

 

Sorry, gtasnp refuses to load for me.

Edited August 26, 2007 by girishb

[zmoonchild]

 

Sorry, gtasnp refuses to load for me.

It loaded okay for me.

I'll take a turn, and go ahead and knock out a few Trucking missions

 

listed further down

Edited August 26, 2007 by zmoonchild

[Girish]

Sorry, gtasnp refuses to load for me.

It loaded okay for me.

I'll take a turn, and go ahead and knock out a few Trucking missions

It's loading for me now as well. Stupid gtasnp.

I'll wait for you to complete your turn.

[zmoonchild]

 

It's loading for me now as well. Stupid gtasnp.

I'll wait for you to complete your turn.

 

Sorry, girishb, I would have waited if I had known.

 

I had problems connecting back to GTAForums. Server problem?

 

Mission: Bike School

Called By: Zoomzoom (zmoonchild)

Link: http://gtasnp.com/download/4345

Status: Complete

Notes:

There was only 1 trucking mission that could be done, mission #6, so I went ahead and completed Bike School as well, all- Golds

 

Progress Made: 42.78% toward completion

UPDATED:

Also, for those who don't know this: you can do Boat School and not get a wanted level (except for the last test which originates from a 4-Star area), provided that you approach the school from the water, whether you swim, fly, or take a boat. Most of Bayside Marina is 4-Star exempt from the very beginning of the game, including the Helipad where a Maverick or Seasparrow will usually spawn.

After the last test, the wanted level acquired from that test will disappear.

 

Edited:

Updated ‘Exports & Imports’ vehicles acquired so far:

 

Doherty garage (1st list only):

Patriot

Remington

Sentinel

Buffalo

 

Hashbury garage (1st list only):

Camper

Feltzer

Admiral

 

Calton Heights garage (2nd list only):

Stallion

Blista Compact

 

Paradiso garage (2nd list only):

Cheetah

Slamvan

Edited August 26, 2007 by zmoonchild

[Girish]

 

It's loading for me now as well. Stupid gtasnp.

I'll wait for you to complete your turn.

 

Sorry, girishb, I would have waited if I had known.

 

I had problems connecting back to GTAForums. Server problem?

Nope. No problem at all, mate.

I was frustrated with gtasnp. That's all.

Maybe the server was down at that time.

 

Anyways, I'll take a turn now.

 

Mission: PHOTO OPPORTUNITY

Called By: girishb

Link: **Click Here**

Status: Complete

Notes: Purchased the safehouse in Chinatown.

 

Completion: 43.85%

 

Edited August 26, 2007 by girishb

[hmvartak]

Mission: Supply Lines...

Called By: hmvartak

Link: http://gtasnp.com/4347

Status: Complete

Notes:$5000 mission reward

Completion: 44.39%

Edited August 26, 2007 by hmvartak

[JAJ]

my turn...

Mission: New Model Army

Called by: JAJ

Link: <GTASnP>

Status: completed

Notes:

$7000 mission reward

Zero's RC Shop is now an asset & will generate up to $5000

did Valet; The Vank Hoff Park Hotel is now an asset & will generate up to $2000

bought some clothes at Victim

Completion: 45.45%

 

 

@JAJ, since the driving school is a "named" mission, and thus changes the save name when finished, can you do that plus a named mission or does the school count as the mission for that turn? And where is the rocket launcher pick ups at... ?

Girishb is correct(thanks); Back to School & Learning to Fly are 'named' missions & count as a turn. Boat School & Bike School are not named missions & can be done with a 'named' mission.

You should be able to find the rocket launcher pick-ups with the maps Girishb provided & the map on the first post (thanks again). Note that the ones in LS are on top of a building near Glen Park. <The Sam Java map is good too.>

 

Thanks to Zmoonchild for the tip on Boat School.

 

Edited August 26, 2007 by JAJ

[GentlemanSquid]

i have a go

 

Mission: Jizzy

Called by: gta_talk

Link: *-*Here*-*

Status: Completed

Notes:

* Got 2 star wanted level because of mission

Completion: 45.99%

 

I will do some side missions next time.

 

Someone should update the checklist, i am confused on whats been done whats not.

Edited August 26, 2007 by gta_talk

[OrionSR]

BTW, isn't Girish a fairly common name is some parts of the world?

Really?

It is quite common in India but I dunno about the world.

Last time I checked, India is still part of the world - a fairly significant part, no matter how you measure it. Also, there are quite a few people originally from India living in my corner of the world.

 

Hey, did any anyone greet hmvartak? I don't recognize the name, but I guess I'm still fairly new here.

 

Uh... hi, hmvartak. Um... what's up? Uh... Welcome and all that - want a beverage? I've got a few cold drinks in the fridge.

 

See, I suck at the welcome committee stuff. Someone else needs to handle the social niceties.

 

Ah, dang it, now gta_talk has snuck in a turn before me.

 

 

[OrionSR]

 

I will do some side missions next time.

 

Someone should update the checklist, i am confused on whats been done whats not.

Cool, that was fast.

 

The checklist can be handy, but the best way to check on the status of missions and events is to use the San Andreas Mission Analyzer, SAMA, linked in the first post under Maps for Collectibles. It can't tell you how many trucking or quarry missions are complete, but does list when all 8 are done. It's really a great tool and makes it easy to check mission progress, side-mission status, races and events, hidden items, and even jumps found or completed.

 

Anyway, I'll take a turn before someone else gets in before me as I'm composing.

 

Mission: Mountain Cloud Boys

Called by: OrionSR

Link: <GTASnP>

Status: completed

Notes: More Dating

Completion: 46.52%

 

Edited August 26, 2007 by OrionSR

[GentlemanSquid]

 

The checklist can be handy, but the best way to check on the status of missions and events is to use the San Andreas Mission Analyzer, SAMA, linked in the first post under Maps for Collectibles. It can't tell you how many trucking or quarry missions are complete, but does list when all 8 are done. It's really a great tool and makes it easy to check mission progress, side-mission status, races and events, hidden items, and even jumps found or completed.

 

I will use that next time, thanks

[JAJ]

Checklist updated to here.

 

@hmvartak: Hello & welcome to the chain game! Hope you can help us get to 100% if you want... yeah & have one of OrionSR's drinks!

[zmoonchild]

I'll take another turn

 

Mission: Back to School

Called By: Zoomzoom (zmoonchild)

Link: http://gtasnp.com/download/4361

Status: Complete

Notes:

 

Sorry, but I was only able to get all-Golds

 

the Super GT, Bullet, and Hotknife will all spawn in front of the Turning Tricks Advanced Driving School.

 

It took me about 30 minutes to get all-Golds.

That seems to be my average lately.

 

Progress Made: 47.06% toward completion

Edited August 26, 2007 by zmoonchild

[Girish]

 

BTW, isn't Girish a fairly common name is some parts of the world?

Really?

It is quite common in India but I dunno about the world.

Last time I checked, India is still part of the world - a fairly significant part, no matter how you measure it. Also, there are quite a few people originally from India living in my corner of the world.

I meant rest of the world, silly.

I didn't think there would be as many Indians named Girish living out there. It's possible though. Indians, these days, just don't seem to want to live in India. Sad. (I may do the same thing. )

 

I'll have a go.............

 

Mission: T-BONE MENDEZ

Called By: girishb

Link: **Click Here**

Status: Complete

Notes: ---

 

Completion: 47.59%

 

Edited August 27, 2007 by girishb

[hmvartak]

Mission: Ran Fa Li

Called By: hmvartak

Link: http://gtasnp.com/4366

Status: Complete

Notes:$6000 mission reward

Completion: 48.13%

 

 

@JAJ, OrionSR and Radioman: Thank you!

Edited August 27, 2007 by hmvartak

[radioman]

Welcome to the chain game and hello hmvartak.

@JAJ and Girishb, thanks for the info about the Driving school, I was thinking about trying it, but wasn't sure if it was within the rules, so I didn't.

 

Anyway, I'll have another go

 

Mission- Lure

called by- Radioman

Status- 48.66%

Link- Da correct link.

Notes- Took call from Catalina

- 8,000 + Respect mission reward

- Saved in Mission, CA

Edited August 27, 2007 by radioman