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modelmaster

ok now ive accepted the fact that time cant exist, however earlier people were saying the big bang was the beginning of everything, however if it is truly the beginning, then there would be nothing around to trigger it. so the only logical conclusion is that there is a god thats been around forever to create everything.

 

and also time only exists theoretically, time is a man-made existence used to measure how long its been from one time (or is instance the word) to another. say, speedwalking. your walking fast, but logically just as fast as regular walking but to use the manmade existence that is time you are walking faster.

 

monocle.gif nailed it. i deserve some Shifty41s_beerhatsmilie2.gifcookie.gifShifty41s_beerhatsmilie2.gifcookie.gifShifty41s_beerhatsmilie2.gifcookie.gif for all that thinking. oh oh sh*t ouch ahh damnit f*ck ahh barf8bd.gif

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Stefan.

I think you've brought God into it a bit too much. There are other logical conclusions possible apart from the fact that there is a God around. Only people who actually believe in God can believe in that logic. Also, nothing prooves that there is a God-like being which created earth, so you can't account for that.

 

 

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Tom Toole

The point is that "God" is a trump card in this charade.

 

 

Forever times two equals god

Fine, something had to start everything? Didn't something have to start god?

 

 

Forever does equal forever times two

Trump cards are very fun, but not very meaningful.

 

 

I believe the general idea is that there is a space time continuum, that there is no space without time, and no time without space.

 

Furthermore that Time and Space are related in the following way: Energy equals Mass times the speed of light squared.

 

 

 

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Stefan.

I personally think that time is not something that can be created, yet something that just continues on. God didn't have to create time, because it was already in existence. As for what invented God, I think he wasn't invented by any higher being, I simply think that he was the first one in the universe. Then again, this could come from a biased standpoint, seeing as I'm a Christian.

 

Yet many different people have different forms of measuring time. Don't forget, until around the 15th Century there was only 10 months in a year.

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Ph3L1z14n0
Yet many different people have different forms of measuring time. Don't forget, until around the 15th Century there was only 10 months in a year.

Many theories of time actually define it as a cognitive creation, it means that your own mind actually times everything you do, some other theories argue there are circadian cycles (digestion, heart rate, etc.) , these cycles create a time perception if you could say so.

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modelmaster

ok dude God had to be around forever, otherwise he wouldnt be God, a perfect being, etc. so yeah i kinda agree with einstein e=mc squared however if there wasnt a god around forever to create everything then everything would have been born from something else but that would lead back to the true beginning of everything, but if there was nothing before the true beginning of everything then there would be nothing to trigger the true birth of everything. thats why logically there HAS to be a god. i dont believe that time does exist logically, because it truly cant, but in God's theory of time (making it the only reasonable theory) it took 6 days to create everything. and people have different measurements of time because of different religions, like Christianity, Catholicism, Judaism, etc. say that God created everything in 6 days and rested on the 7th. however the Buddhists believe that Buddha created everything out of some kind of weird flower, and as far as i know (im not Buddhist im Christian so correct me if im wrong) time had nothing to do with the creation of everything according to the Buddhists. so they believe that time measurement was created by man, apparently. however i believe that time MEASUREMENT was created by God, not time itself.

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Stefan.

I think time measurement was invented by the citizens of the planet as we developed more, so they can be able to tell the time to their own accord. Also, I think time is actually the result of some physical inbalance in outer space which resulted in the steady movement of eveything, which is time.

 

By the way, Catholicism is a part of Christianity; it's not a different religoun. wink.gif

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modelmaster

ther can be no physical inbalances, because other than the other dimensions, (heaven and hell as far as i know and care) space goes on forever, its the only thing that exists in this dimension.

 

and i know that catholicism is part of christianity, but their weird and unlike me apparently they think they go to hell if they do certain things, unlike christianity, where there is forgiveness. but that would mean that lutheranism is a part of christianity, so out of judaism, catholicism, and lutheranism, what is the smallest and biggest parts of christianity?

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Ph3L1z14n0
their weird and unlike me apparently they think they go to hell if they do certain things, unlike christianity, where there is forgiveness

Wrong, Catholics follow the word of the lord and his son, Jesus Christ, which expressed deeply his beliefs in forgiveness.

 

You only go to hell if you do not repent and ask forgiveness for your sins.

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modelmaster

well whatever im not catholic and i aint a theologist. but they repent repeatedly. after us christians repent once were forgiven for sin.

 

however to avoid getting further offtopic let me just say that time cant exist because there is no future because the future will be considered the present by the time it happens. tomorrow isnt tomorrow until its today. get it? and the past can never be proven, because a videotape, or a recording of any kind, you cant prove it wasnt fake. you cant prove that it wasnt just a lame compilation of sound FX, green screens and photos. you cant even prove that the tape is there, because the first 8 times u see it u could be hallucinating. but whose to say when or why or how ppl hallucinate because all dreams are but another reality? how do we know that this isnt such a deeeeep sleep that right now im dreaming that im dreaming that im dreaming that im dreaming that im dreaming that im dreaming that im dreaming that im dreaming that im dreaming that im dreaming that im dreaming that im dreaming that im dreaming that im dreaming that im dreaming that im dreaming that im dreaming that im posting replies to this topic? whose to say? time may or may not exist. we have no way of knowing. more than one thing could happen in one period of time, meaning that we may be frozen in time right now but since i continue to type without stopping. i dont think time exists. but to all you people who are arguing on this topic, listen to me. we cant waste time on things that we can never solve.

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Ronnyboy

My opinion so screw what you said above me.

 

Time is just as a recorder, a tool to keep track of historic events or to eat or whatever you want it to. Where does time start? If you belive in your religion (Im catholic so this is the catholic belief) then when God made the earth that is when time started and when a week system was set up. If you belive in "The Big Bang Theory" than when the earth was made then, thats when time was created. It seems weird to me though that religion (Catholic) is based around Jesus Christ. So lord knows how long before A.D. actually came along.

 

But I say just accept it and dont question it, just live with the fact and ask your creator when you die when time started.

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K^2
But I say just accept it and dont question it, just live with the fact and ask your creator when you die when time started.

I bet the conversation will go something like this.

 

You: So how does the time work?

Creator: *sigh* Lets try this again.

*Reincarnated*

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Ronnyboy

I dont see why a person wants to know why. We really dont know when time started and we can only guess when it did. Just my thoughts thats all.

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modelmaster
I dont see why a person wants to know why. We really dont know when time started and we can only guess when it did. Just my thoughts thats all.

THANK YOU. facedesk.gif

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modelmaster
My opinion so screw what you said above me.

 

Time is just as a recorder, a tool to keep track of historic events or to eat or whatever you want it to. Where does time start? If you belive in your religion (Im catholic so this is the catholic belief) then when God made the earth that is when time started and when a week system was set up. If you belive in "The Big Bang Theory" than when the earth was made then, thats when time was created. It seems weird to me though that religion (Catholic) is based around Jesus Christ. So lord knows how long before A.D. actually came along.

 

But I say just accept it and dont question it, just live with the fact and ask your creator when you die when time started.

oh and dude i think Jesus was around from 0 AD to 33 AD. i think AD means After Discension

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Blind Joe Death
oh and dude i think Jesus was around from 0 AD to 33 AD. i think AD means After Discension

No, A.D. stands for Anno Domini which in Ancient Latin means 'In the year of our Lord'. And also, please do not double post, just edit your original post instead. Thanks.

 

Moving on, I don't think anyone can really say exactly what time is. But my opinion of it is that it's the natural wave flow of the universe and that it's always been like this (well at least since the start of the universe, if there ever was a start). Everything just keeps on moving and we invented what we call 'time' into our lives to measure and keep track of our everyday life to make things easier.

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Quadropheniac90

Meh, time is just a word made up by man to describe something. What it describes is different in different uses of the word 'time'. Don't ask me for those, though...

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modelmaster

the last few posts before this one i agree with most.

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hymoglobin

Have you ever heard of the question that everyone goes on about?

"If the universe is constantly expanding, whats it expanding into?" Personally, I think the answer is Somerfield.

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Ronnyboy

Bollocks I say!

 

But I agree time is just used more as a word to describe something. Mostly, time was created around religions. When some one died or when the earth was made. The Mayans were smart about it and created there first calender instead of basing there dates around biblical events. But then again they all died out though. So there really is no such thing as a set time.

 

Time is used as a reminder and an excuse. How so? "The clock was to slow, so the time was wrong so I missed it" "7:30 is the time I have to leave" Time is mostly just a easier way I think to keep track of things instead of reading off of the sun.

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modelmaster

no man the mayans didnt die out, there are still a few ppl that follow there religion in mexico. dont count on them staying in mexico though lol but yeah they were stupid enough to say that doomsday was dec. 21 2012 when in the real world ppl thought Y2K was gona be the end too. 8 years later nothing has happened. so we cant trust the mayan calendar cuz the mayans havent died out until dec 21 2012. then the whole religion (i should say cult) dies.

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autotheftisgrand

I've read somewhere in a book that there is a theory that time and the universe may have started anytime. (paradox?!?) History was implanted in our minds. So say, the universe and time was created about five minutes ago, we were given memories that fit our life biggrin.gif

 

BTW: This is topic is a little too much for me, seeing as it's summer vacations in this part of the world, I don't wanna learn anything new except what interest me; but this topic interest me a little bit. biggrin.gif

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modelmaster

its not summer in any part of the world. you, no matter where u are are only a day ahead of the people on the other side of the world. right here its spring break.

 

i agree with you, that could be it.

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Cypress Hill
I've read somewhere in a book that there is a theory that time and the universe may have started anytime. (paradox?!?) History was implanted in our minds. So say, the universe and time was created about five minutes ago, we were given memories that fit our life biggrin.gif

 

That would make sense. Not the "beginning of time". but I think Descartes, in his wrks at skepticism, came up with some concluson like that, and the only thing one can know is that one presently exists. All "knowledge" about past and future, or the external world could be a hallucination because of the fallibility of sense data.

 

I've realized I have way too much time on my hands if I'm reading Descartes.

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Im Rick James B**ch!

Although i haven't read his works, i really dislike Descartes. Mostly because of his "first proof".

 

Cogito, Ergo Sum (I think, therefore i exist)

 

He believes this is proven because as most people would logically conclude, if something is observed than the stimulus of that observation exists in some form. This is NOT PROVEN though. Descartes made assumptions of physical laws. The rule he used to arrive upon his proof, which i stated above, is not proven itself.

 

I long ago learned that using Solipsism as an analytical tool is foolish and achieves nothing.

 

 

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Ph3L1z14n0
Although i haven't read his works, i really dislike Descartes. Mostly because of his "first proof".

 

Cogito, Ergo Sum (I think, therefore i exist)

 

He believes this is proven because as most people would logically conclude, if something is observed than the stimulus of that observation exists in some form. This is NOT PROVEN though. Descartes made assumptions of physical laws. The rule he used to arrive upon his proof, which i stated above, is not proven itself.

 

I long ago learned that using Solipsism as an analytical tool is foolish and achieves nothing.

Actually the quote was commonly mistranslated, in reality it is:

 

"Because I Think, I Exist", not "I Think, Therefore I Exist".

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Im Rick James B**ch!

It means the exact same thing so i don't see how that matters. It was probably changed (translations usually require words to be reordered) because the English language convention discourages beginning a statement with "because".

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Ph3L1z14n0
It means the exact same thing so i don't see how that matters. It was probably changed (translations usually require words to be reordered) because the English language convention discourages beginning a statement with "because".

Well sorry, didn't know you were sensitive these days confused.gif

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Struff Bunstridge

The literal translation is "I think, therefore I am", implying that he believes the fact that he's able to think for himself proves he exists. Thing is, it's non-falsifiable in that it can't be logically argued against, so I think it should be taken as one opinion in a sea of thousands.

 

And yes, they do mean exactly the same thing. confused.gif

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