Rayo Puño Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 Just wondering why Dem got re-b&. I haven't even seen him lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTA3Rockstar Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 Just wondering why Dem got re-b&. I haven't even seen him lately. Words been floating around about him being an ass to an admin/mod. So I've heard but lets let someone clear it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermanblue Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 I kinda lol'ed, unfortianatly he was helping on a mod I have been working on. Leone Family Mafia ПРОПАГАНДА.ИНЦ, СИЛВЕРМАНБЛУЕ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanzant Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 i was waiting for this thread, kinda took longer than I thought. Surely he'll be back soon...he's like Jason Voorhees, he never fully dies. theNGclan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!moe! Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 I hope he never dies, I love that guy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groovy Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 i was waiting for this thread, kinda took longer than I thought. Surely he'll be back soon...he's like Jason Voorhees, he never fully dies. He did fully die, he's just a zombie now. /horror nerd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havana Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 What's this, like the 10th time!? Doesn't deserve so many 2nd chances IMO... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runey Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 He thinks he can just be an asshole to administrators, I'm surprised it took this long to re-ban him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurricane5 Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 This happens every 2 years. Nothing to see here, move along... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDude5000 Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 I don't know whos idea it was to let him back in Gen Chat/Lounge, but I think that's what led to it. He was trying to turn every thread he posted in, into some 5+ page debate. Complete with his ridiculous psuedo-intelligent 20 paragraph posts which I'm sure everyone skips over completely. If I may quote Jim Carrey. He's a pedantic, pontificating, pretentious bastard, a belligerent old fart, a worthless steaming pile of cow dung, figuratively speaking. Normally I wouldn't care, but he was acted like an a-hole to me in the modding forums so yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsuroki Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 He was being a dick to certain members of the moderating team. He stepped over the line and pushed the envelope too far. Thus he was dealt with as anyone else would be dealt with. What's done is done. Personally I hope this is the last we see of him. He's been given way too many chances, and every time he comes back, he just becomes more overconfident to his supremacy and "untouchability". Blah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinnie Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 What's done is done. Personally I hope this is the last we see of him. He's been given way too many chances, and every time he comes back, he just becomes more overconfident to his supremacy and "untouchability". Although I have nothing against him I've seen a few times where he has been banned & come back, so this becoming a normal thing now I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lycanthrope Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 It's a bit unfair that some people are banned and never come back, yet he was banned then unbanned etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuareg Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 I don't know whos idea it was to let him back in Gen Chat/Lounge, but I think that's what led to it. Haha i totally forgot he was banned from gen chat. Anyway, he was quiet helpful around the sa section, he didnt really flame anyone so i cant imagine him going off at the mods. Im not saying he didnt, im saying i cant imagine him with an other negative e-personality. But who am i to question anyone, even more so cause none of us really know what was going down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteaVor Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 Although I have nothing against him I've seen a few times where he has been banned & come back, so this becoming a normal thing now I guess. I hope not. Although I've never had any problems with him personally (and his scripting abilities are definitely outstanding), it's better for both sides if this decision remains to be a permanent one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lesfleanut Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 How is he going to... Oh nevermind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blind Joe Death Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 I myself have absolutely nothing against him so I am not being bias here or anything but if he has been banned and banned time after time and keeps repeating to be an ass than I think he deserves to be put away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digïtál £vîl Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 Honestly, the forum moderating staff has really gone to sh*t. I don't mean to insult anyone, but I see such bias and inappropriate actions by the mod staff constantly now a days. Looking at the general chat area makes it clear. Try going through the first two pages and counting how many topics are in there that were started by some forum "vet" and contains only a few spam lines and a random photo in the initial post, yet the topic remained unlocked and open to date. Even with people reporting it. Check it. I'm serious. I wouldn't be surprised if you found more than what you can count on a single hand (and that is just from the last few days). Yet, even with people reporting the posts, the moderators do nothing. Instead, they allow it to remain open and sometimes even become involved in the wasteful spam simply because this "vet" is considered untouchable in some way. But, if someone else does something that might annoy them or inconvenience them, they are all over it by shoving their mod sticks up the user's ass. Don't get me wrong. I feel that Dem's ban was long needed and well done. In all honesty, he should have never been unbanned from here. Technically, I don't even know if that guy is legally allowed onto the internet. I just hope that it is a step in the right direction from the moderating staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinnie Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 Yet, even with people reporting the posts, the moderators do nothing. The mods do take action when things are reported. Especially around the VC & SA Areas. Most times when things are reported, they are usually sorted within 30 minutes to an hour. Unless of course it's not needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remember This. Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 Yet, even with people reporting the posts, the moderators do nothing. The mods do take action when things are reported. Especially around the VC & SA Areas. Most times when things are reported, they are usually sorted within 30 minutes to an hour. Unless of course it's not needed. I think he's talking about gen chat. I've noticed too. An 02 member posts a funny picture, and a 10 page topic of spam ensues, with half the moderators joined in. Now if I, an 07 member, was to do the same thing, I would be banned faster than you can say 'elitism'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuareg Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 (edited) An 02 member posts a funny picture, and a 10 page topic of spam ensues, with half the moderators joined in. Now if I, an 07 member, was to do the same thing, I would be banned faster than you can say 'elitism'. I get the point, but why is it such a big deal? Of course if a member with a 02 join date posts a topic wich seems like spam, most moderators whont lock the topic. If you, a member who just joined, posts the same thing, the topic gets locked. Moderators can make decisions from their own feelings (towards an older member). The mod system isnt a coordinated system. It is coordinate, but only as coordinate as an internet forum requires it to be. Moderators are people. This may be a mistake from them, but its just how it is. If you would happen to be a mod, and a person who has been your fellow member (possibly e-friend) for several years, if he would post a spam topic, would you lock it? No. I honestly dont think you would. Edited July 15, 2007 by tuareg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDude5000 Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 If you would happen to be a mod, and a person who has been your fellow member (possibly e-friend) for several years, if he would post a spam topic, would you lock it? No. I honestly dont think you would. Then in that case you shouldn't be a moderator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuareg Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 If you would happen to be a mod, and a person who has been your fellow member (possibly e-friend) for several years, if he would post a spam topic, would you lock it? No. I honestly dont think you would. Then in that case you shouldn't be a moderator. Yeah well, the moderators would have probably locked those topics, even if they where posted by older members, but they wherent that spammy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayo Puño Posted July 15, 2007 Author Share Posted July 15, 2007 Honestly, the forum moderating staff has really gone to sh*t. I don't mean to insult anyone, but I see such bias and inappropriate actions by the mod staff constantly now a days. Looking at the general chat area makes it clear. Try going through the first two pages and counting how many topics are in there that were started by some forum "vet" and contains only a few spam lines and a random photo in the initial post, yet the topic remained unlocked and open to date. Even with people reporting it. Check it. I'm serious. I wouldn't be surprised if you found more than what you can count on a single hand (and that is just from the last few days). Yet, even with people reporting the posts, the moderators do nothing. Instead, they allow it to remain open and sometimes even become involved in the wasteful spam simply because this "vet" is considered untouchable in some way. But, if someone else does something that might annoy them or inconvenience them, they are all over it by shoving their mod sticks up the user's ass. Don't get me wrong. I feel that Dem's ban was long needed and well done. In all honesty, he should have never been unbanned from here. Technically, I don't even know if that guy is legally allowed onto the internet. I just hope that it is a step in the right direction from the moderating staff. It's a useless argument man. Trust me, I've been there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceedj Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 Dem's gone? Ok coders, it's safe to come back out again. But seriously, how do you balance his intelligence for the game vs his general asshole-ness he projects? There's no question his knowledge is pretty useful to the mod community, but is it worth dealing with him?* I'm having a hard time answering that. On the one hand, we won't get replies to topics that sound like they're coming from your mother. On the other hand, he WAS handy to have around for doing just that. So I'm kind of on the fence about him. I dunno, whatever. It's kind of interesting to look at his posts when he first came back and see the progression from helpful and somewhat humble to posts that make him come off like an arrogant jerk. Who happens to know what he's talking about, but it's tough reading advice from someone who makes themselves seem WAY above you. It's not ALL the time (in fact, not at all now! ), but it's often enough to make me go "hmmm, I might have handled that a little differently," in regards to answering newbie questions. And since he has FAR more tenure than I do, I feel kind of funny pointing it out to him. So if he DOES come back again (what's the over/under on that anyway?), should anyone who spends time in the modding section mention this to him or is it just more let Dem be Dem, and watch him get banned again? Anyway, yeah, that was rambly. But it does have a point: is he really worth the trouble? * I have some small idea of what may or may not have led to his previous banning(s), but since I don't know ALL the facts, I'm only discussing dealing with him as a regular forum member, without all the baggage others may or may not have with him. NOTE: Sorry if this wound up all over the place; 'twas a LONG night at work. I'm actually not against democracy though. I'm against things I think are f*cking stupid. I think this is f*cking stupid. - Sweets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsuroki Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 Regarding the general mess in General Chat (Lounge): I apologize for the clutter that's been building up there. Typically I was the primary moderator that hung around Gen Chat and kept things in order - unfortunately, I'm in a bit of a rut right now (moving to a new apartment in a different city, etc) and I don't have the time to police the boards as much as I'd like to. Yes, there's bias, and "veteran" members are often given more leeway than new members. But the same can be said for any community or organization - the folks that have been around the longest can get away with more. (At work, things that an employee of five-plus years can get away with could easily get a probationary employee - who is being scrutinized endlessly - fired.) I realize that doesn't excuse the behaviour completely, though, and I'll do my best to keep the whole "bias" thing from becoming an issue. With that said, I'll be picking up my activity in an attempt to combat the clutter in General Chat over the coming week(s). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuareg Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 Yes, there's bias, and "veteran" members are often given more leeway than new members. But the same can be said for any community or organization - the folks that have been around the longest can get away with more. (At work, things that an employee of five-plus years can get away with could easily get a probationary employee - who is being scrutinized endlessly - fired.) I realize that doesn't excuse the behaviour completely, though, and I'll do my best to keep the whole "bias" thing from becoming an issue. Haha, that was exactly the same thing i wanted to say (and said partly). I wanted mention that the same things go on at work and with older and newer employees. I couldnt phrase it properly though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsuroki Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 Yes, there's bias, and "veteran" members are often given more leeway than new members. But the same can be said for any community or organization - the folks that have been around the longest can get away with more. (At work, things that an employee of five-plus years can get away with could easily get a probationary employee - who is being scrutinized endlessly - fired.) I realize that doesn't excuse the behaviour completely, though, and I'll do my best to keep the whole "bias" thing from becoming an issue. Haha, that was exactly the same thing i wanted to say (and said partly). I wanted mention that the same things go on at work and with older and newer employees. I couldnt phrase it properly though. I just recently left my job because of the move to my new apartment. I realized I could show up half an hour late for work, and while other employees would get sh*tted out, none of the management seemed to care when I did it. I could also get away with slacking off, hanging out with employees and chitchatting... it was awesome. So, needless to say, the whole idea of a forum being akin to the social hierarchy at work... I've made some observations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyGanteks Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 i personnaly neiter hated him neiter liked him but i havent heard he got so many bans.I have seen a lot of peeps respect him a lot here so he must have done something very VERYveryVERY bad to angry teh mods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_root Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 first i had a respect for him because of his 33.000 posts but when i read his few posts i understood how he got to that number and lost all my respect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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