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Attorney General

Boxing Discussion

Mayweather vs McGregor  

24 members have voted

  1. 1. Who will win?

    • Mayweather
      19
    • McGregor
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nerner

 

Gotta be Vitali or Wladimir up next for Haye.

 

'Haye’s last fight was a boring boring fight. Everyone who watched it on TV or went to the arena was upset with the performance of both boxers. He [Haye] robbed everyone that came to the fight.

 

David Haye is scared to fight the Klitschko brothers because he understands very well that if he fights the Klitschkos he’ll no longer be world champion.

 

He is world champion by talking. If is a good fighter then he should sign the contract, we’ll split the money 50/50 of the worldwide income. This means in the United States, in England and in Germany – worldwide we sell the rights and we split the income.

 

I want to say to the public put pressure on David Haye so he has no more excuses. I want to fight him first because Vladimir will kill him and he already has two world titles, whereas I just have the one so it would be great to split the belts equally between us.

 

We can fight in spring in the United States, I’ve heard a great proposal from Madison Square Gardens for this fight. I’m ready to fight him anytime, anywhere.'

Looks like it's written. At least I hope so as it is a great fight in the making. Although I hate all of this trash talking bullsh*t.

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Attorney General

After last weeks' fight, to me at least, there's no question that Pacman needs to fight Marquez again if they can't come to terms on the Mayweather fight. Martinez is another viable option, albeit a very risky fight and one I don't envision Bob Arum would be too interested in putting together.

 

As for Marquez, I think he is one of maybe two or three guys on the planet that has the tools to take Pacquiao. If Arum and co. opt to fight a washed up Mosley or the untested Berto instead, I'll be severely disappointed.

 

Should be an interesting few weeks though, because I hear HBO is holding a date in April for Pacquiao's next fight and they'll want to announce it before the new year.

 

As for a potential Haye-Klitschko fight, I'd wait for Wlad if I were Haye...as I still think he'd have a better shot against him rather than Vitali. At least with Wlad, you know that if you get to him(easier said than done, of course), he can be hurt...a la Corrie Sanders and Lamon Brewster. Either way, just get it done. The public needs a meaningful heavyweight fight. Anything to help us forget that atrocity a few weeks back.

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Theodoro

I'm looking forward to the the De Galle fight, but I think it won't be as tough as Sky are making out. monocle.gif

 

As for the Chisora fight, well I'm not expecting a great fight, Klitschko is not great to watch but he will

stop Chisora.

 

The Khan fight is the big one, dying for it. It will be intresting to see how Khan's chin holds up if Maidana catches him a couple of times.

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Floyd Mayweather arrested

 

LAS VEGAS -- Floyd Mayweather Jr. spent a night in a Las Vegas jail before his release Friday on a misdemeanor battery warrant stemming from an allegation that the boxer poked a security guard in the face last month outside his home.

 

 

 

The second arrest in three months for the undefeated prizefighter drew allegations from his lawyer that police and prosecutors overreacted to a minor criminal accusation and that the 33-year-old Mayweather was getting "unequal punitive exaggerated treatment."

 

"This is a misdemeanor," attorney Richard Wright told The Associated Press. He noted that police usually write a ticket for a misdemeanor, or issue a court summons at the jail.

 

Wright accused District Attorney David Roger of "going out of his way to treat [Mayweather] differently than anyone else."

 

Roger didn't immediately respond to messages seeking comment.

 

Mayweather was arrested just before midnight Thursday at the posh Bellagio resort on the Las Vegas Strip and booked early Friday into the Clark County jail without bail.

 

Police initially said the boxer might remain in jail pending a Monday court date. But defense attorney Karen Winckler intervened, and Mayweather was freed less than 12 hours after his arrest.

 

The misdemeanor charge stems from a confrontation Nov. 15 during which authorities allege Mayweather poked a 21-year-old security guard repeatedly in the left cheek during a loud verbal confrontation over parking tickets. Mayweather's attorneys have denied wrongdoing on his behalf.

 

The warrant was issued Dec. 8 by a Las Vegas justice of the peace, but he immediately recalled it. It was reinstated Dec. 13 after prosecutors complained that Mayweather was receiving preferential treatment.

 

The judge, Tony Abbatangelo, scheduled a Tuesday hearing to determine whether Mayweather should remain free pending trial. The misdemeanor case carries a possible six months in jail and a $1,000 fine.

 

Mayweather is one of the boxing's richest and most recognizable figures, with 25 knockouts in his 41 wins. He goes by the nickname "Money," and earned more than $20 million in May from a single fight in Las Vegas against "Sugar" Shane Mosley.

 

But he has also been dogged in recent years by allegations of violence and confrontations at home and at Las Vegas clubs.

 

Mayweather has misdemeanor battery and assault convictions in Las Vegas and his hometown of Grand Rapids, Mich., and is facing a felony coercion, grand larceny and robbery case stemming from a September dispute with his children and their mother at her home.

 

He faces trial Jan. 24 in that case, and could face up to 34 years in prison if convicted.

 

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JoeyLeone25

And that's a perfect example (to go with my own earlier stated example in this thread...) of why Boxing is in a slow decline and it needs a systematic period of sustained, interesting and ininterupted (ala the incredibly boring Haye vs Klitschko saga) fights to reinvigorate the sport, or it will slowly wither and die - which to be fair, nobody wishes to see.

 

From the the television deal, to the coverage leading up to the fight, and finally to the way the fight ended, everything about Amir Khan vs Paul McCloskey was a complete and utter joke and this is the reason many former Boxing fans are now turning to Mixed Martial Arts instead. Why wait twelve months for a potential thirty-six minutes of boxing that may or may not happen? There are still the occasional fighters out there who deserve to be seen and watched in all their glory; Pacquiao, Marquez, Alexander, Bradley, to name some, however the majority are now controlled and dependent on the money men who ultimately rule the top rungs of the boxing hierarchy and take the money, rather than the competitive route.

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Attorney General

Well, there's been some pretty exciting things going on in boxing of late.

 

Bernard Hopkins, at the tender age of 46, lifted the light heavyweight belt for the second time as he became the oldest champion in the history of the sport. He outworked a prime Jean Pacal all night and weathered some rough spots to win the belt much more decisively than in their first fight. This guys is like fine wine, I tell ya...he just keeps getting better and better. Looks like Chad Dawson is his next victim, and he's mentioned Lucian Bute for a potential opponent somewhere down the line.

 

Also, Carl Froch advanced to the Super 6 finals this past week after outpointing Glen Johnson in a pretty good fight. Froch is a bull, and while Andre Ward is certainly more technically skilled than Froch, it should be a great fight between guys with contrasting, but exciting styles. Can't wait to see this one!

 

As for upcoming fights, Manny Pacquiao is finally going to give Marquez a third fight, scheduled for November 12. Marquez is the only guy to even be remotely competitive with Pacman over the last 5 or 6 years. And with the fight being at a catchweight, I think he has a pretty decent shot to score an upset. He's always been able to neutralize Pacquiao's power with his footwork, head movement and timing and I think the old man may have one more great performance in him.

 

And is anyone gearing up for the Klitschko-Haye fight in a few weeks? I'm pretty stoked for it. I like Klitschko by late round stoppage, but Haye's got the guns to make this one interesting!

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JoeyLeone25

Froch reminds me a lot of Jean Pascal, while he's definitely matured as a fighter over the last five/six years proving he's a good, if not great fighter, what will hold him back and stop him from becoming a "legend" is his lack of flair and enthusiasm, which in my opinion stops him from being recognised and accepted by the casual boxing fans (case and point is out of fifteen work mates who claim to enjoy boxing, all watched James De Gales last fight however not one watched Froch's, despite Froch's being on free-to-air television). Still, I look forward to the Ward vs Froch fight and while I really do like Froch, I personally hope Ward wins just for the fact that he is six years younger and unifying the belts could really catapult him into better and bigger things.

 

On Haye vs Klitschko, I'm personally still not bothered about the fight. It's on PPV over here, and rather than stump up £15 ($30) I'll probably watch it at the pub or Union instead. I expect it to be good fight, but I wanted Haye to fight the more experienced Vitali and with his record of not being knocked-out (his two losses came from an injury and a cut if I'm correct) that would have certainly made it interesting with Haye's constant arrogance and mouth-running. Also knowing that Haye will retire after this bout means his run in the Heavyweight division was for nothing, I always want to see a fighter go on and dominate, and look to become 'the best there has ever been'. Fighting two fighters (I don't personally class the Harrison fight, well, as a 'fight') does not make you a heavyweight legend, as he seems to think he is, and by taking Wlad over Vitali I think he is more drawn to the amount of titles around his waist, rather than the test of the bout (again this is only because I'd slightly raise Vitali above Wlad). Me personally I'll plump for either Klitschko 9th RD, or Haye by MD.

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Attorney General

Damn, I hadn't heard that Haye is going to retire after this fight. That's a bummer. I guess I just figured he'd take the big payday against Vitali before he'd even think about retiring. I agree that Vitali is the better of the Klitschko bros, although it seems like we're the minority in that regard. Never understood why everyone seems to rate the younger one so highly when he's been starched twice by pretty average fighters. Vitali, on the other hand, is rock solid. He has an amazing jab and a thunderous right cross....not to mention an iron chin. Naw, he's not the most aesthetically pleasing guy to watch, but he's sure as hell effective.

 

In other news, it looks like Mayweather's coming back to fight Victor Ortiz in September. Some say it'll be a de facto tune up for Pacquiao, as he's a southpaw volume puncher. But I think it's a stretch to compare the two. I also think that it'll be a quick night for everyone involved. Yes, Ortiz showed some heart in the Berto fight(which was awesome!), but he's far too limited to dethrone Mayweather in my opinion. I don't like this fight at all for him, and I wonder why his handlers are willing to throw away all the money they could make by feeding him to Mayweather so early in his career. This is a fight that can ruin him.

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Waddy

 

And is anyone gearing up for the Klitschko-Haye fight in a few weeks? I'm pretty stoked for it. I like Klitschko by late round stoppage, but Haye's got the guns to make this one interesting!

I fear for Haye.

I know its his last fight and I think he is going to get totally outclassed and it could be embarrassing. I know it only takes a single punch and he could get lucky, I just dont see him doing it...far from it. He hasnt got the skill.

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Attorney General

You're probably right.

 

But I hope, for boxing's sake, that it's an exciting fight for as long as it lasts. Good competition in the heavyweight division always brings the sports some solid exposure.

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Damn, I hadn't heard that Haye is going to retire after this fight. That's a bummer. I guess I just figured he'd take the big payday against Vitali before he'd even think about retiring. I agree that Vitali is the better of the Klitschko bros, although it seems like we're the minority in that regard. Never understood why everyone seems to rate the younger one so highly when he's been starched twice by pretty average fighters. Vitali, on the other hand, is rock solid. He has an amazing jab and a thunderous right cross....not to mention an iron chin. Naw, he's not the most aesthetically pleasing guy to watch, but he's sure as hell effective.

 

In other news, it looks like Mayweather's coming back to fight Victor Ortiz in September. Some say it'll be a de facto tune up for Pacquiao, as he's a southpaw volume puncher. But I think it's a stretch to compare the two. I also think that it'll be a quick night for everyone involved. Yes, Ortiz showed some heart in the Berto fight(which was awesome!), but he's far too limited to dethrone Mayweather in my opinion. I don't like this fight at all for him, and I wonder why his handlers are willing to throw away all the money they could make by feeding him to Mayweather so early in his career. This is a fight that can ruin him.

Yep, he's mentioned for a few years now that he's going to retire when he turns 31 years old (in October of this year), and that nothing will stop him. Which is sad because as I mentioned it almost guarantees he won't fight again (Haye fight a world class fighter within three months? No chance!) and that will be terrible for fight fans, especially if he beats Wlad. Also I rate Vitali higher than Wlad, because like yourself AG he has fought and beaten the better fighters and to be fair, he is unlucky to have 2 losses on his record as they only came about through injuries (and if my memory serves me right, he was winning on the scorecards in both fights as well...).

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Josh

I can't see any way that Haye could beat Wladimir and not fight Vitali. And I also think that if he beats one he will want to beat the other, or at least have a decent crack at him.

 

This fight is going to be huge, hopefully it'll give some life to a Heavyweight class which hasn't got any real characters in it to compare with the end of the 90's and the start of the noughties. Perhaps that's because of the fact that other sports are surpassing boxing in terms of being routes out of poverty in the developed nations? Many of the current world champions, especially in the lower weight classes, come from much poorer countries in general like Cuba and the former-Soviet states. I'm just wondering if that is because of the fact that boxing now doesn't pay as highly as some other sports like Basketball and Football (both types). It is also much less dangerous, so maybe boxing is at a crossroads. Caught between the developing nations and those which are developed. The fact that only one person form a G8 nation holds a heavyweight belt evidences this I guess.

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Darrel

I dont think haye cares about his legacy right now.

 

He simply wants to Beat Wladimir take the titles back to Britain, then retire. Knowing and showing and most of all proving that when faced with decent competition Wladimir klitschko is very beatable.

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Attorney General

 

This fight is going to be huge, hopefully it'll give some life to a Heavyweight class which hasn't got any real characters in it to compare with the end of the 90's and the start of the noughties. Perhaps that's because of the fact that other sports are surpassing boxing in terms of being routes out of poverty in the developed nations? Many of the current world champions, especially in the lower weight classes, come from much poorer countries in general like Cuba and the former-Soviet states. I'm just wondering if that is because of the fact that boxing now doesn't pay as highly as some other sports like Basketball and Football (both types). It is also much less dangerous, so maybe boxing is at a crossroads. Caught between the developing nations and those which are developed. The fact that only one person form a G8 nation holds a heavyweight belt evidences this I guess.

Well said, man. Though I think that the sport's lack of relevant American heavyweights is more a factor of boxing being surpassed in exposure rather than being recognized as a channel out of poverty.

 

At the height of boxing's popularity in modern times, (after the implementation of the Marquess of Queensberry rules), it was the preeminent sport in the United States; truly second to none. In the 20's, Jack Dempsey was a God amongst men. The heavyweight torch was carried, more or less, continually by Joe Louis in the late 30's and Rocky Marciano from the mid 40's on. These men were the Lionel Messi's, Michael Jordan's and Peyton Manning's of their time. So naturally, kids emulated them. Those guys helped forge the next generation of great American heavyweights in Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Holmes, Norton, etc. They, in turn, helped shape the last great generation of dominant American fighters in Ray Leonard, Tommy Hearns, Marvin Hagler, Aaron Pryor and the 84 Olympic team.

 

But by the 60's and 70's, the NFL was on the rise as was the NBA not long after. The surge in popularity in these sports...and subsequent rise in exposure put boxing on the back burner. We still produce Hall of Fame caliber fighters, but they're generally much smaller men. Virtually all of our big men are playing power forward or defensive end now. That's what I think, at least. I can only imagine what guys like Mario Williams or Dwight Howard could do for the HW division had they been raised their whole lives to be prizefighters.

 

As for the pay scale, I would guess that 99.9% of all professional fighters struggle to make real money...and I truly believe that's an accurate figure. But the cream of the crop make immense amounts of money. I would guess that Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather earn anywhere between 12 and 15 million dollars per fight on average, depending on the opponent. So while I don't necessarily think that's the main deterrent, it certainly could factor in.

 

With regard to Haye-Klitschko, I think it's conceivable that Haye can get to the Ukrainian and hurt him...just not very likely. I'd give him more than just a puncher's chance as he's adequately skilled...but Klitschko has so much in his favor.

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Der_Don

Haye won't have a chance. Period. The Klitschkos are machines. Haye will die a slow and painful death in the ring and the fact that Klitschko fights on his home-ground and is especially motivated after all the things Haye said about him, his brother, his mother etc etc is not going to help Haye.

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Attorney General

That's absolutely retarded. A big puncher like Haye always has a chance, especially when he's in with a guy that has a glass jaw like Klitschko.

 

Not to mention, Haye is exponentially better than all three of the guys who own KO victories over the Ukranian. He's a live underdog.

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Well said, man. Though I think that the sport's lack of relevant American heavyweights is more a factor of boxing being surpassed in exposure rather than being recognized as a channel out of poverty.

 

At the height of boxing's popularity in modern times, (after the implementation of the Marquess of Queensberry rules), it was the preeminent sport in the United States; truly second to none. In the 20's, Jack Dempsey was a God amongst men. The heavyweight torch was carried, more or less, continually by Joe Louis in the late 30's and Rocky Marciano from the mid 40's on. These men were the Lionel Messi's, Michael Jordan's and Peyton Manning's of their time. So naturally, kids emulated them. Those guys helped forge the next generation of great American heavyweights in Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Holmes, Norton, etc. They, in turn, helped shape the last great generation of dominant American fighters in Ray Leonard, Tommy Hearns, Marvin Hagler, Aaron Pryor and the 84 Olympic team.

 

But by the 60's and 70's, the NFL was on the rise as was the NBA not long after. The surge in popularity in these sports...and subsequent rise in exposure put boxing on the back burner. We still produce Hall of Fame caliber fighters, but they're generally much smaller men. Virtually all of our big men are playing power forward or defensive end now. That's what I think, at least. I can only imagine what guys like Mario Williams or Dwight Howard could do for the HW division had they been raised their whole lives to be prizefighters.

 

As for the pay scale, I would guess that 99.9% of all professional fighters struggle to make real money...and I truly believe that's an accurate figure. But the cream of the crop make immense amounts of money. I would guess that Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather earn anywhere between 12 and 15 million dollars per fight on average, depending on the opponent. So while I don't necessarily think that's the main deterrent, it certainly could factor in.

 

With regard to Haye-Klitschko, I think it's conceivable that Haye can get to the Ukrainian and hurt him...just not very likely. I'd give him more than just a puncher's chance as he's adequately skilled...but Klitschko has so much in his favor.

I hesitate to turn this into a two man circle-jerk but I completely agree... tounge.gif

 

I can see where you're going with the lack of American heavyweights comment, and that would I guess create a vicious circle. Because if you're not giving people the exposure to boxing from a young age they won't become the relevant American heavyweights of tomorrow which causes the sport to fall further in exposure.

 

That said I do think that the sport does retain a decent level of exposure, the only problem is the way that the sport is delivered. One off pay-per-view events that cost £20 a shot for what could possibly be as little as a single round of Main Event boxing. And that isn't really the kind of payment scheme that is the best for earning money for the sport and more importantly gaining exposure. I know that this is the best way to get the money to the fighters involved but I think that it makes people less likely to watch boxing, especially in a time such as today where there are various economic problems. I'm not sure if this works in the same way in the US but in the UK sports events are auctioned off to the highest bidders, and contracts are then signed.

 

A similar system could be implemented in the terms of boxing whereby fights are sold to the TV network which pays the most for it. This then goes into the pockets of the fighters and promoters but more importantly it gives more exposure to the sport. I'd watch any boxing if it were on ESPN, or even on terrestrial TV channels but having to spend a lot of money on something which could be a massive anti-climax is a major turn-off for me.

 

It's interesting that you mention the fact that there are much smaller fighters in the USA nowadays. If you look at the list of the best British heavyweights only 2 out of the 10 mentioned fought after the 1970's. Traditionally we have specialised in the lighter weight classes and our golden age was probably in the 1990's when Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank and Naseem Hamed among others were all world champions. Since then people like Ricky Hatton and Joe Calzaghe have reenforced our position as a nation who produce good boxers in the lighter categories. It's just interesting to see how America could be going the same way.

 

In terms of pay, the disparity between those at the top and those below is huge in boxing as you said. And I wonder if this is the major turn-off. A decent footballer can earn £1million a year here and not even play in the Premier League, and some Premier League players like Yaya Toure are reportedly earning up to £15million a year. And this is on a contract over five years or so. Mayweather would have to fight five big fights in that time, and if he gets knocked down then he won't be as valuable, so his earnings will fall. A mediocre boxer will in all likelihood have to have a second job, and it's hardly a glamourous lifestyle if you have no money. Whereas mediocre footballers can still buy Bentleys before they're 21 years old.

 

Not to mention the fact that in football the worst case scenario is realistically that you ruin one of your legs. American football carries a slightly higher risk or concussions and possible paralysis but it's nowhere near the level of perceived risk of boxing. Everyone knows the stories of Michael Watson and Gerald McClellan. And they don't inspire the masses to get in the ring.

 

And I think that Haye has a very realistic chance of beating Vitali. However he has to be considered an underdog. But boxing history shows that the underdogs do win quite often, especially if they can pack a punch. Haye himself was an underdog against Valuev and he won on points and I believe could have knocked Valuev down if he'd've tried to rather than just fighting for the points victory. I'm wondering if he will try the same strategy against Klitschko, but I seriously hope he doesn't because not only will it make the fight somewhat boring to watch but he will get killed out there.

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vertical limit

Completeley off topic and noobish

 

 

Any of you support Iron Mike?

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Josh

I guess Mike Tyson has my respect to some degree. However I think that he is somewhat warped. For example the famous incident where he bit Evander Holyfield, and obviously his rape conviction.

 

That said, for a guy who was about 5 feet 8 inches tall he was certainly punching above his weight for his entire career and that takes real class and guile. And to become an undisputed champion is really just the icing on the cake for him. And since only 6 otehrs have unified the heavyweight belts since Muhammed Ali last did it it puts him amongside some pretty good boxers.

 

But in the end I don't know about Mike Tyson. He was my style of boxer in that he would stand toe to toe with anyone and try and punch them out, but like most great sportsmen he was flawed. And that's why I'm not quite sure what to make of him, there's too much controversy inside and outside of the ring for him to strip Evander of being my favourite recent heavyweight.

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I think people are giving way too much credit to Klitscho in this up coming fight, I'm backing Haye for a knockout win, Klitscho hasnt faced any one really significant in the ring, just slow heavy weights, Haye is quick, and calculated, just hope he doesnt get over confident, because he comes across like bit of a big headed twerp, but Klitscho is no were near the standard of past heavy weights, he's a clever boxer sure, but he's never been truely tested.

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I don't think that Haye is going to go for the KO. Normally against bigger boxers like Valuev for example he just goes for the points win. Although this is a dangerous strategy when you are away from home so he could be forced into swinging at Klitschko.

 

On the [completely different] subject of boxing books, I bought two today:

 

• Hands of Stone - A book about the life and career of Roberto Duran.

• Boxing's Hall of Shame - A book written by a former boxing journalist about the corruption which has dogged the sport in the past.

 

Hopefully they're both good reads, I've started reading the Hall of Shame book first because scandals always fascinate me and I love to take a walk on the dark side of any sport.

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This is boss!! Can't wait!

God I hope Haye is going to be smashed to pieces. Can't stand him.

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Darrel

I predict both guys scoring knockdowns.

 

 

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JoeyLeone25
I predict both guys scoring knockdowns.

This is an interesting prediction and could be true, considering Wlad's trainer the legendary Emmanuel Steward (who has trained Lennis, De La Hoya, Hearns, Holyfield, etc) has said that he expects this fight to be as hard as Wlad's victory over Sam Peter in 2005 which saw Wlad knocked down three times on his way to a points victory against the Nigerian.

 

Still, I'm sticking with a 9th RD TKO stoppage by Klitschko, I don't think he'll knock him out with a one-punch wonder, but I think he will wear and tear him down over the fight. However I hope I am wrong, because since the retirement of Calzaghe and Hatton, it would be nice to see a British fighter at the top of the tree for a few months before his retirement.

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Banks.

The weigh in was brilliant. Glad to see all the British fans cheering Haye on.

 

Come on David Haye!

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dills

I had a dream last night that Haye won by KO, so obviously I stuck £20 on that at 7/2. A couple of my cousins are flying out to Germany for the fight, I'm insanely jealous.

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Who was that British fella that got conned out of the win by the judges on Cologne last week? i forget his name but Lewis has his worries that it could happen again seeing as Klitschko currently lives in Hamburg and Lewis says he's got to go for the KO to win.

 

Me and a few mates have chipped in a bit of money together to watch it on Sky Box Office, that seems a bit crappy now compared to dills cousins tounge.gif.

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Who was that British fella that got conned out of the win by the judges on Cologne last week? i forget his name but Lewis has his worries that it could happen again seeing as Klitschko currently lives in Hamburg and Lewis says he's got to go for the KO to win.

 

Me and a few mates have chipped in a bit of money together to watch it on Sky Box Office, that seems a bit crappy now compared to dills cousins tounge.gif.

Macklin-Strum, mind I don't think he was conned, personally I thought the fight could have gone either way as both fighters each dominated a half of the fight. But, judges in Germany usually do give notorious decisions to 'home-town' boxers, but if Haye is going to win he needs to avoid that not by potentially winning six or seven rounds and then crying about a controversial decision, but by winning all ten, eleven or twelve rounds and making the application of stupid scoring outside of the realm of the judges. Or more importantly if possible, by avoiding the judges completely (see 'Dana White') and knocking the big Ukrainian out cold.

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Me and a few mates have chipped in a bit of money together to watch it on Sky Box Office, that seems a bit crappy now compared to dills cousins tounge.gif.

That's what I was planning on doing. Going around to mates and chipping in with others but I can't get in touch with him so I might just buy it myself.

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Important but does anyone know where i can stream the fight confused.gif ?

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