Boxing Discussion

[Boombastic]

I'm starting boxing soon.

 

Along with Badmington, Rugby again, Cricket again and Football again.

[Attorney General]

Big action in the wonderful world of boxing these days...

 

Roy Jones Jr. easily outpointed Tito Trinidad in Vegas last weekend. It was a decent fight, once Jones decided to pick up the pace in the fourth round, the fight was over. It's farcicle how after all these years of boxing, Trinidad is still a one dimensional fighter.

 

Apparently, a Mayweather-De La Hoya rematch is on ice for September. The particulars of the contract are still being ironed out, but it looks like the fight has a green light. I read somewhere that Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Shaefer was quoted in saying that De La Hoya would like to fight three times this year including a tuneup fight in June or July, the Mayweather fight in September and a farewell fight in December.

 

Also, Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez will face eachother March 15 in a rematch of their spectacular 2004 fight. Should be a good one. For anyone who missed it, here's a clip of the first round...

 

Doesn't look like much of a fight, right? But Marquez got off the canvas and gave Pacquiao all he could handle in the subsequent 11 rounds. The fight ended in a highly disputed draw, with most spectators split on who was the victor.

 

Finally, announced today...Light Heavyweight champion Bernard Hopkins will defend his title against Super Middleweight champion Joe Calzaghe on April 19 in Las Vegas. It is, like the previous fight, a match between two of the top ten fighters in the world. I don't particularly like the style matchup for Hopkins, because he like to counterpunch and fight at a slow pace while Calzaghe keeps the pressure on for the whole fight and throws punches in bunches. But Calzaghe is moving up 8 pounds after spending the last 10 or 12 years of his career at 168 pounds. Plus B-Hop always impresses in a big fight...so this one should be no different. JoeyLeone25, I know Calzaghe is your boy...so bring a box of tissues for this one.

[CrocodileDundee]

I am going to start boxing but I have glasses and I would like to know if you can have lenses insted of glasses while boxing, but is there a risk that the lenses will get stuck or be damaged if you get a punch in the eye? and do you have any other advice for a beginner in boxing?

[EasyTiger]

Anyone watching the Khan fight? should be a good one.

 

Come on Khan!

 

 

Edit: Khan kicked his ass and is still champion.

Edited February 2, 2008 by EasyTiger

[jebness]

I am going to start boxing but I have glasses and I would like to know if you can have lenses insted of glasses while boxing, but is there a risk that the lenses will get stuck or be damaged if you get a punch in the eye? and do you have any other advice for a beginner in boxing?

Don't just try and punch your hardest and throw fast, work on your footwork and stance at the start.

 

Just Shadowbox around a heavybag for awhile and get fit. If you have any equipment (dumbells, benchpress ect) use them.

 

Once you feel ready, go find a gym with somone who can teach you.

 

But ya, I don't know, that sounds like the normal thing to do though.

[Attorney General]

 

I am going to start boxing but I have glasses and I would like to know if you can have lenses insted of glasses while boxing, but is there a risk that the lenses will get stuck or be damaged if you get a punch in the eye? and do you have any other advice for a beginner in boxing?

Croc, let me tell ya...my vision is f*ckin terrible. I've worn glasses since I was 12 or so. And although it's a major adjustment when you begin, you'll learn to box without them. Don't sweat it.

 

Since you're new to the sport, check out a few of your local gyms and see where you feel the most comfortable. The trainer probably won't let you in the ring at first...he'll likely have you working the heavy bag, the speed bag and jumping rope. It sucks, but you'll need to be in decent shape before you get in there. Believe it or not...that's a good thing, because boxing is all about confidence...and you don't want to lose it the first time you're in with a banger.

 

I'm skeptical about lifting weights. They're great if you're trying to bulk up, but it'll cut down on you flexibility over time. Most trainers keep their fighters away from them. Good luck!

[CrocodileDundee]

Thanks for the advice, I have a heavybag at home on wich I train on every day. I am going to start at the local boxing gym in about a week, The thing is there goes quite alot of people in boxing here and now at first I would prefer to box and train with a very small group of people or alone.

[JoeyLeone25]

Croc, to reiterate what the others have said, I Amateur Box (new ABA Season in September...yay!), and I wear glasses, but after a while you get used to not wearing them and it doesn't impact on your training at all.

 

If you've got a Boxing Gym/Youth Centre which you can visit, like you mentioned, chances are, if they have any idea of what they're doing, that they'll give you quite a few 1-on-1 lessons to give you personal insight and training to master the basics.

 

Also I'd suggest not buying a gum-shield/mouth-guard for months and not even thinking about sparring against a human opponent, you need to spend at least 2/3 months, solid working on the foundations of your footwork and stance/overall technique.

 

On last night, Khan really showed how he's matured boxing wise last night. He constantly kept the experienced St Clair at bay, using his exemplary speed and foot-work to dominate with the jab and very well placed combinations. One more fight, to take him the 12 Rounds, then he's got the pick of the Diaz boys, and which World Title he wants.

 

 

[Attorney General]

^^ Sound advice.

 

I've never seen a full Kahn fight...is he ready for the Diazes yet? Juan, in particular, is a very solid fighter. The last thing you want to do is throw a fighter to the dogs too early in his career. See David Reid and Fernando Vargas. But again, I've only seen clips of him.

 

Hey JoeyLeone25, I heard your boy Clinton Woods signed to fight Antonio Tarver. How do you feel about the fight? Me? I think it should be a good one if Woods comes correct. Tarver may be past his prime (which was short lived), and if Woods can keep a fast pace, he should be in good shape.

[CrocodileDundee]

I just went to the boxing gym and it was great, though I would need some tips on how get heavier I currently weigh 47 kilograms and I'm 14 years old. I eat twice as much now than I did a few months ago and I train every day but I still don't get heavier.

[Attorney General]

A common misconception among guys who are new to the ring is that they need to bulk up. To tell you the truth Croc, most professionals try to fight around the lowest weight they can healthily maintain. Most veteran boxing heads will tell you that if you bulk up, you'll lose some flexibility and agility.

 

Please fellas, tell me I'm not the only one who's f*ckin' pumped for the Pavlik-Taylor rematch this week. The first fight exceeded my expectations and I think this one has potential to produce fireworks. I'm skeptical on whether Taylor can impose himself on Pavlik seeing as Pavlik knows he can floor Taylor if he keeps the pressure on him. Another factor has to be Taylor deciding to fire the legendary Emmanuel Steward after only a few fights. He has no one to blame but himself for his loss in the first fight.

[CrocodileDundee]

A common misconception among guys who are new to the ring is that they need to bulk up. To tell you the truth Croc, most professionals try to fight around the lowest weight they can healthily maintain. Most veteran boxing heads will tell you that if you bulk up, you'll lose some flexibility and agility.

 

Please fellas, tell me I'm not the only one who's f*ckin' pumped for the Pavlik-Taylor rematch this week. The first fight exceeded my expectations and I think this one has potential to produce fireworks. I'm skeptical on whether Taylor can impose himself on Pavlik seeing as Pavlik knows he can floor Taylor if he keeps the pressure on him. Another factor has to be Taylor deciding to fire the legendary Emmanuel Steward after only a few fights. He has no one to blame but himself for his loss in the first fight.

Thanks Attorney, but it's just that I am so incredibly light compared to my classmates and the ones at the boxing gym, Most of them weigh around 57kg and up thats about 10kg more than me. But offcourse I don't want to lose my flexibility since that's probably my main strength.

[CrocodileDundee]

Wladimir Klitschko - Sultan Ibragimov

 

So is anybody going to watch the fight? I myself would love to see Ibragimov win it.

[Attorney General]

What a dud that was. Klitschko's jab was thorough enough to make this a boring fight. But there's something to be said about him winning a virtual shutout against a top ten contender. I expect to see Klitschko in the ring again soon after getting through this fight with relative ease...perhaps in a rematch with Sam Peter.

 

Any of you Irish boys know of an undefeated Irish-American fighter named John Duddy? He's a ferocious puncher, an all action fighter not to mention one tough bastard. After tonight's impressive win, he looks to be in line for a shot at middleweight champ Kelly Pavlik. It'd be a match made in heaven between two thrilling fighters. As far as I'm concerned, this is a match that can't be made soon enough.

[JoeyLeone25]

What a dud that was. Klitschko's jab was thorough enough to make this a boring fight. But there's something to be said about him winning a virtual shutout against a top ten contender. I expect to see Klitschko in the ring again soon after getting through this fight with relative ease...perhaps in a rematch with Sam Peter.

 

Any of you Irish boys know of an undefeated Irish-American fighter named John Duddy? He's a ferocious puncher, an all action fighter not to mention one tough bastard. After tonight's impressive win, he looks to be in line for a shot at middleweight champ Kelly Pavlik. It'd be a match made in heaven between two thrilling fighters. As far as I'm concerned, this is a match that can't be made soon enough.

Klitschko looked in such good shape aswell, and thus was expecting him he grind down then demolish Sultan (who I don't rate that much as a Heavyweight contender), but instead we had a steady, technically sound fight from Klitschko who did what he said he was going to do; bide his time, and work on the jab and counter. Might not have been the most exciting fight ever, especially for the man at home, but I couldn't fault Klitschko at all last night.

 

Duddy's a good fighter, but Pavlik? No way. I don't know what the promoters are on, but he's got no chance against Pavlik, especially with last night performance showing when he's in front of a big audience and he let's everything go to entertain the audience, he comes mighty close to seeing the floating doves around his head (something which a technically sound and strong fighter like Pavlik would show him). Duddy in my opinion needs maybe two or three more fights, before he can start thinking about a shot at Kelly.

[OH NO]

The Haye - Macarinelli fight is apparently in doubt, Haye not turning up for a scheduled weigh in. Not sure of the full story but seems very disrespectful considering the magnitude of the occasion...seems like Hayes problem is with it disrupting his sleep pattern. In a way i can understand this, though.

 

The timing of the actual fight itself is a joke. Wales Vs England and yet again we have to wait till the early hours. Obviously I understand why, just vexes me sometimes.

 

 

Also starting to feel the nerves for my Compatriot Joe Calzaghe. By the time he steps in the ring with Hopkins ill be ready to explode.

[bagga rabbit]

This just in..Tyson vs. Holyfield. Again?

http://sport.guardian.co.uk/boxing/story/0,,2260400,00.html

Was anyone expecting this?

[OH NO]

Holyfield was on the radio the other day discussing it. I reckon Mike, or people around Mike, think he can redeem past events with this bout. And then theres obviously also the money. Boxing really really doesnt need this.

 

EDIT:Haye Macarinelli went pretty much as expected..i fancied Haye in around the 4th but thought if Mac could take him further he could bring his left hook in and do some damage. Pity it didnt go futher but eh thats the way it goes.

Edited March 10, 2008 by OH NO

[Anti-Racist69]

A common misconception among guys who are new to the ring is that they need to bulk up. To tell you the truth Croc, most professionals try to fight around  the lowest weight they can healthily maintain. Most veteran boxing heads will tell you that if you bulk up, you'll lose some flexibility and agility.

 

Please fellas, tell me I'm not the only one who's f*ckin' pumped for the Pavlik-Taylor rematch this week. The first fight exceeded my expectations and I think this one has potential to produce fireworks. I'm skeptical on whether Taylor can impose himself on Pavlik seeing as Pavlik knows he can floor Taylor if he keeps the pressure on him. Another factor has to be Taylor deciding to fire the legendary Emmanuel Steward after only a few fights. He has no one to blame but himself for his loss in the first fight.

Thanks Attorney, but it's just that I am so incredibly light compared to my classmates and the ones at the boxing gym, Most of them weigh around 57kg and up thats about 10kg more than me. But offcourse I don't want to lose my flexibility since that's probably my main strength.

Like the others said, don't bulk up. Just run and practice your foot work. I don't know how to explain what I do to train my feet, but it works. Just find what you are best at, and try to perfect it while improving your weaknesses. To gain weight, if you really want to, just work out your muscles a little more. Just don't over do it. Don't eat more either, eat healthier. If you don't gain weight naturally, then you should fight at what class you are. It is best to fight as low as you can go, without being unhealthy.

 

Also, keep a good defense. This is what I do. I have good visibility and can notice after the first round what people are going to throw when. People usually do the same little thing when they try throwing one move. If you can pick up these little twitches, you can counter almost anything they come at you with.

 

Just keep hitting the bags, and what I did is take different martial arts classes. That helped me a lot too. I didn't think it would affect me, but some of the stuff they teach you is great. I am trying to get into MMA, I have some friends I train with that are in KOTC and stuff. I have a small team to train with, that is what you should get too.

[norniron]

Just a question, does anybody know about a fight that took place last week featuring a 60 American with a name something like Saoul Mamby or something? Thats pretty mad ass.

[bagga rabbit]

He fought and lost. What would we expect?

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/03/11/...Mambys-Back.php

[Burning-Ice]

I've been out of tune with boxing for the last month or so, the last complete fight I saw was Klitschko-Ibragimov and I must say that Klitschko has lost his killer instinct. He could of KOed Ibragimov whenever he wanted to at the end of the fight, I can't believe he took it to the distance. That's the problem with heavyweights now a days, it seems like none of them want to fight but just cruise to win. Klitschko is easily the best in the world with Peter at 2, but there is no way in hell Peter will ever become and stay the world's #1 fighter. All he has for him is his so called "power" and it's not even that good to be honest. What world caliber fighter has he knocked out? ......Jeremy Williams??? Good joke, Peter needs to become more technical and not throw wide looping punches but he won't. I haven't seen an improvement from Peter since the first fight I saw of him 2-3 years ago. The only reason he looks better is because he is fighting old men like Toney, Maskaev, and McCline.

[Attorney General]

Yeah, but that Jeremy Williams KO was devastating! I hear you though. The heavyweight division is in shambles. Everyone wants to crown Vlad Klitschko the champ, but he hasn't yet sold me on him having the intangibles it takes to unify the titles. I still see too many holes in his game.

 

Anyhow, it's been a dynamite couple of months that brought us showdowns like Vasquez-Marquez 3, Pacquiao-Marquez 2, Casamayor-Katsidis and another impressive Miguel Cotto win that looks to have secured a fight with Antonio Margarito. That's a fight that'll end up on ESPN Classic if ever I've seen one.

 

And to boot, next week HBO will host a fight between one of the greatest fighters of the last thirty years in Bernard Hopkins against the greatest fighter in the history of the 168 lb. division in Joe Calzaghe. Should be worth tuning in for!

[Burning-Ice]

I can't tell you how many times I thought "old man" B-Hop was going to lose within his last recent fights. I think the only time I have had him winning a fight was against Tarver, the JT and Winky fights I thought he would lose. Calzaghe is the same type of guy, I thought he would be KTFOed when he fought Lacy but it was vice versa. To be honest, I don't know what to expect. Hops is a master at making his opponents do what they don't want to do while Calzaghe always raises his game in the big fights.

 

I'm going to go with a Calzaghe by decision, Bernard can be too inactive at times, but the contrast in styles will be fun to watch.

[OH NO]

 

I'm going to go with a Calzaghe by decision

Same here. Strong feeling this will go all the way..anticipations killing me now, cant wait till tomorrow.. Cmon the Welsh Boy!

[CrocodileDundee]

 

 

I'm going to go with a Calzaghe by decision

Same here. Strong feeling this will go all the way..anticipations killing me now, cant wait till tomorrow.. Cmon the Welsh Boy!

I belive Hopkins will win by decision. When Hopkins has been an underdog he has won ex against Trinidad and Tarver. Calzaghe's best wins is against lacy, Kessler and eubank and that is not nearly as good as Hopkins who has beaten Tarver, Trinidad, Wright, De La Hoya.

 

Calzaghe is a Champ but Hopkins is a Legend.

[JoeyLeone25]

Nothing to do with weight. Age. Or previous results in this fight. In my opinion this fight comes down to one thing; Is Joe Calzaghe ready to fight a real fighter, as a boxer? Hopkins, is a machine, a brawler...a fighter, a force against nature who belittles his opponent with his fists, till they're eating the canvas. Now if Joe can find his rhythm and stick to boxing, rather than dropping down to Hopkins level, he should be able to take the victory, however never count the Executioner down, before he's even got in the ring...Should be a great fight.

[Hodgey.]

Joe by a split decision for me, at least Hopkins wont beat him.

[hand2hand]

When did zab judah recive the ban, oh wait was the not the fight vs miguel cotto? when did that end, i have been to a few Zab fights, but havent seen any latley

[flicko]

 

Joe by a split decision for me, at least Hopkins wont beat him.

Right you are. Epic victory. Shame I missed it due to work in the early hours of this morning. I'll have to catch the highlights sometime. Did anybody watch it? Apparently he says he's got a couple more fights in him, which will no doubt be biggies. Great to see him winning in America.

Edited April 20, 2008 by flicko