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Carbine23

Do You know your World War 2 history?

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Shylock

Hitler was a sexual deviant.

 

And Russia was partially to blame for there MASSIVE amount of casualties. I'd say almost half the blame should be on Russian leadership.

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unopieceo

Wouldn't you blame all the casualties of ww2 on leadership? or infact all the casualties of war?

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Carbine23
Hitler was a sexual deviant.

 

And Russia was partially to blame for there MASSIVE amount of casualties. I'd say almost half the blame should be on Russian leadership.

Yes that's a fact

The communists were evil in World War 2

Them men had two choices

 

1. Go on a suicidal charge into the enemy

or

2. Retreat and get killed by your allies

 

Battle of Stalingrad: 2,000,000 Casualties. Fought between Russians and Germans. Bloodiest Battle in the war and Bloodiest battle in Human history

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TFatseas

 

Hitler was a sexual deviant.

 

And Russia was partially to blame for there MASSIVE amount of casualties.  I'd say almost half the blame should be on Russian leadership.

Yes that's a fact

The communists were evil in World War 2

Them men had two choices

 

1. Go on a suicidal charge into the enemy

or

2. Retreat and get killed by your allies

 

Battle of Stalingrad: 2,000,000 Casualties. Fought between Russians and Germans. Bloodiest Battle in the war and Bloodiest battle in Human history

Yes that sometimes happened but ever wonder how patriotic your average Soviet soldier was? He would fight to his dying breath just to kill another fascist. Hey anyway, Stalingread, around 40-45 percent of those casualties were German, Hungarian, Italian and Romanian.

 

Also you have to look after 1943 and the massive reforms that the Soviet army went through. The officer corp went through a massive professionalism binge. Officer schools with good tactics started opening up all over the Soviet union. The Soviet doctrine also went into a massive overhaul, focusing much more on combined arms than the old infantry, tank rush to break the German advance.

 

The battles after Kursk are good examples. Mainly Operation Bagration and the Vistula-Oder offensives.

 

So don't say the Soviets were suicidal maniacs.

Edited by TFatseas

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Eddie280

@ ToyMachine

 

I disagree, Britain was part of the appeasement process i agree, Neville Chamberlin Returned form the Munich agreement after Germany Claimed the Sudetenland with Hitler in 1938 saying 'there will be peace in our time' however Britain was not the only culprit. At that meeting were Britain, France and Italy. The problem was that Chekoslovakia (modern day Chech Republic) was a land loooked country, A millitary intervention was next to impossible. Another thing was that at that Time Britain Was was not strong enough to engage in war with Germany, Germany had been re-arming since 1933, If we had interveened we would have been out numbered and far from supplies. Germany on the other hand would have been close to home. the only Army Large enough to match Germanies was the French, They should have stepped in When Hitler siezed the Rheinland, and when they Occupied the Sudetenland.

 

And about your claim that Britain could have helped Poland so early on, Again next to impossible. At that time Poland was Virtually Land Locked. Poland's only connection to the Sea, AT THAT TIME. was the flimsy Polish Corridor, in this strip of Land there was the International city of Danzig and this corridor connected to the German controled Baltic Sea. The first thing Germany did was over run the corridor Making a British landing impossible because we would have had to fight our way through the North Sea, Around Denmark and into the Baltic with enough men and Suplies to make a serious impact. we then would have had to maintain those supply lines and all of this with little or no Air support. And a Air Strike would not have worked. No WWII era plane could have made it to Poland and Back with enough fuel and due to the inaccuracy of bombing then we would have had to send vast numbers of planes to have made a difference.

 

Also Poland was invaded by Germany and Russia Simultaneously and Britain couldnt have fought both at the same time. Also yes we were nearly Beaten by Germany but it wasnt as close as people think. For over a year Britain basically fought germany alone, Other European countries had fallen, and America Had not yet entered the war and Russia was still Allies with Germany. We beat them in the Battle of britain and In North Africa, Syria and Lebannon.

 

So i Dont think Britain was as inept as you think.

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ToyMachine

Poland wasn't invaded by Germany and Russia at the same time. And I didn't say the Polish expected the British to send troops to Poland. If England sent battleships to the coast of Germany or air bombed German factories Hitler most likely would've held back. After all he was himself noted saying that if any Allied country gave him even one problem he would be more hesitant in his decisions. England did nothing.

 

Neville Chamberlain might also be the dumbest person in history.

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TFatseas

Actually there never was an Allied plan to land in Poland to help the Poles.

 

The only plan there was to hold the Germans off while primarily France attacked on the Western Front within a few days. As we all know now that didn't happen. It was a possibility though with over 60 percent of German forces attacking Poland at the time.

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Eddie280

 

Neville Chamberlain might also be the dumbest person in history.

 

agreed.

 

But What your suggesting is much easier said thn done. a nation cant simply rock up to Germany's coast and start un loading men and supplies. as i explained in my previous post, To maintain those supply lines would have been impossible, We didnt have enough Aircraft carriers to sustain this, our men would have been isolated in northern Germany with too few reasources to advance and you seem to be disregarding the German Navy. Do you think they would have allowed a British fleet to just moor up?

 

also, yes Germany and Russia did invade Poland almost Simultaneously. On 1st September 1939 Germany invaded from the North, The West and the South. On September 17th Russia invaded from th East. Warsaw fell 2 weeks later. This had all been agreed in the Nazi-Soviet pact a year earlier.

 

Im not Belitteling Polands Achievement. It held off the invaders twice as long as expected and fought bravely through out the war I just dont think that at the time of invasion Britain could have been of any help to Poland.

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TFatseas

Again the plan was for France to attack in the west with British support. It was meant to drive the Germans away from Poland to the western Front to buys the Poles time.

But it didn't happen.(See Western Betrayal)

 

That was the allied plan.

 

 

The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact sealed Poland's fate though.

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Eddie280

^^ yea thats what i mean. France should have stepped in but didnt, Poland was overwhelmed by the Molotov-Ribbentrop (Nazi-Soviet) pact. It was logistically impossible for britain to get involved Directly and France should have attacked Germany. But instaed they wanted to stay behind the incomplete Maginot line instead of attacking.

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