GTA IV for PC

[GTA_Godfather]

 

 

One advantage of the console is that you can get better sound (home theater speakers trounce computer speakers though mine are very nice). Hard to beat that.

 

 

 

Better sound? No, you can connect any High-End surround system to your computer, 7,1 channel system is normal on PC today. XBOX 360 I beleive has 5,1 channel, PS3 has 7,1 system(can anyone confirm this for me). My point is PC can have equal or better soundsystem at reasonable price. The sorround system cost the same for PC as for PS3/360

Dang, you got me there. Good catch! I guess there really is no point to buying a console then (unless you're looking for that Super Smash Brothers Brawl exclusivity...LOL ).

 

 

 

[CharmingCharlie]

 

If any of you know anyone with a console, I challenge you to this, assuming they have a HDTV, and GTA4, im sure youll all give the game a go. I suspect most of you would soon forget about the advantages of the PC and just have fun with the physics.

It isn't that simple, GTA on the console is a very different beast to GTA on a PC. I have played the original GTA 3 franchise on a console and I found it to be frustating, limiting and just sucked out any enjoyment that could be had for it. Now what has changed in the console word since the PS2...... well they have slightly better resolutions but they still have the frustrating limited control scheme, I mean why do you think they have rubbish like auto aim in console games. Now if you are use to that control scheme then you won't have a problem, but many people like me have spent most of our gaming life using a mouse and keyboard which we prefer.

 

  It would be interesting to know how many PS2/XBOX SA's were sold, opposed to PC editions. If the ratio is 10 to 1 say, then of course, you lot will be sidelined.

I believe the sales split was something like 15 million for the PS2, 2-3 million for the Xbox and about the same for the PC. I long lost the link for it if you want proof. If you want to devote your life to proving me wrong then feel free to find a link that contradicts me . But hell look at that 15 million PS2 people bought GTA SA, and what is Rockstars reply to that......... oh yeah they went and got into bed with MS cos MS ponied up the cash.

 

The fact of the matter is the 360 and PC are pretty close technology wise (ie the 360 is a 2-3 year old PC) so it wouldn't take a massive investment to convert the 360 version to the PC. Yet they are not willing to do it because Rockstar have entered into exclusive contracts with both MS and Sony BOTH of which want to keep it off the PC for as long as possible.

 

 

What do you do for a living charlie - if you mind me asking.

I am not a millionaire in case you are thinking that at the moment I am semi-retired, I am caring for my mentally ill mother. I had a pretty sweet job before that building and fixing up PC's for a small independant PC shop in the area. Ah I was like a pig in mud with that job . Anyway I am not rolling in dosh so I have to justify what I spend and I cannot justify blowing £300/£400 on a console just to play one game. Just like you wouldn't justify spending £1000 on getting a PC to just play Crysis.

 

But right at the moment I have two PC's here that are more than capable of playing GTA 4 but I am to be denied the pleasure cos Rockstar couldn't resist whoring itself to Sony and MS once more. I mean make no mistake about this, the reason the PC isn't getting the game is not down to Piracy or low sales, it is down to MS and Sony keeping it off the PC that is it. Now I think everyone should be angry about that, because one day you might just find it affects you too.

 

[SCLASS]

I assumed you had exp in PC's and an associated job...I just have low expectations/ requirements. Thing is, I will eventually get a modern PC. I dont suppose going to PC world is VFM ?, I am a noob with PC's, but 'building my own' sounds like a pain in the ass - is there a 'third way' ?

 

Alienware looks like a ripoff..Id perhaps have a 750/800 squid budget.

[GTA_Godfather]

 

I assumed you had exp in PC's and an associated job...I just have low expectations/ requirements. Thing is, I will eventually get a modern PC. I dont suppose going to PC world is VFM ?, I am a noob with PC's, but 'building my own' sounds like a pain in the ass - is there a 'third way' ?

 

  Alienware looks like a ripoff..Id perhaps have a 750/800 squid budget.

It's really not hard to build your own and that's where you save money. Part of the markup for consoles is the assembly of the parts. I'd rather not pay someone to put a piece of hardware together.

 

The most time consuming thing is just turning the screwdriver and plugging in the cables. If you want to get serious with it, that can take some effort (less so for someone that's experienced with it....I'm not). I'm talking about water cooling and making the inside look pretty with lights and tidy cable management. Personally, I don't care about all that crap. The only additional thing you do for sound cards and video cards is download/install drivers and that's really quite easy.

 

When you buy a pre-built system from a custom gaming computer company you pay through the nose. Just buy the same parts but at a huge discount.

 

 

 

 

Edited February 14, 2008 by GTA_Godfather

[GM Dude]

If any of you know anyone with a console, I challenge you to this, assuming they have a HDTV, and GTA4, im sure youll all give the game a go. I suspect most of you would soon forget about the advantages of the PC and just have fun with the physics.

It isn't that simple, GTA on the console is a very different beast to GTA on a PC. I have played the original GTA 3 franchise on a console and I found it to be frustating, limiting and just sucked out any enjoyment that could be had for it. Now what has changed in the console word since the PS2...... well they have slightly better resolutions but they still have the frustrating limited control scheme, I mean why do you think they have rubbish like auto aim in console games. Now if you are use to that control scheme then you won't have a problem, but many people like me have spent most of our gaming life using a mouse and keyboard which we prefer.

 

  It would be interesting to know how many PS2/XBOX SA's were sold, opposed to PC editions. If the ratio is 10 to 1 say, then of course, you lot will be sidelined.

I believe the sales split was something like 15 million for the PS2, 2-3 million for the Xbox and about the same for the PC. I long lost the link for it if you want proof. If you want to devote your life to proving me wrong then feel free to find a link that contradicts me . But hell look at that 15 million PS2 people bought GTA SA, and what is Rockstars reply to that......... oh yeah they went and got into bed with MS cos MS ponied up the cash.

 

The fact of the matter is the 360 and PC are pretty close technology wise (ie the 360 is a 2-3 year old PC) so it wouldn't take a massive investment to convert the 360 version to the PC. Yet they are not willing to do it because Rockstar have entered into exclusive contracts with both MS and Sony BOTH of which want to keep it off the PC for as long as possible.

 

 

What do you do for a living charlie - if you mind me asking.

I am not a millionaire in case you are thinking that at the moment I am semi-retired, I am caring for my mentally ill mother. I had a pretty sweet job before that building and fixing up PC's for a small independant PC shop in the area. Ah I was like a pig in mud with that job . Anyway I am not rolling in dosh so I have to justify what I spend and I cannot justify blowing £300/£400 on a console just to play one game. Just like you wouldn't justify spending £1000 on getting a PC to just play Crysis.

 

But right at the moment I have two PC's here that are more than capable of playing GTA 4 but I am to be denied the pleasure cos Rockstar couldn't resist whoring itself to Sony and MS once more. I mean make no mistake about this, the reason the PC isn't getting the game is not down to Piracy or low sales, it is down to MS and Sony keeping it off the PC that is it. Now I think everyone should be angry about that, because one day you might just find it affects you too.

Isn't it ironic, though, that Microsoft still has a good portion

of the computer OS market, and yet they're trying to keep

it on the 360?

 

On the contrary, though, I can kinda understand Sony's position

finance-wise{they've already had problems with the PS3 selling

well anywhere outside Japan as far as I've heard, and had R*

refused to help them out, that could've made Sony's problem far

worse}

 

But in my opinion, MS has no real excuse; absolutely none at all.

 

 

[SCLASS]

I can see myself buying GTA4 in a yr on PC in addition to having on the PS3, iv done it for last 2 GTA's so i wont stop now...Having decent hardware has skewed my argument somewhat - With SA, my PC had framelimiter on - tho to roll round in my car in game was very cool and was worth the effort.

 

 

Anyone looking forward to 'GAME 2; or OFP2...thats gonna blow away ANY gta.

[CharmingCharlie]

 

I assumed you had exp in PC's and an associated job...I just have low expectations/ requirements. Thing is, I will eventually get a modern PC. I dont suppose going to PC world is VFM ?, I am a noob with PC's, but 'building my own' sounds like a pain in the ass - is there a 'third way' ?

 

  Alienware looks like a ripoff..Id perhaps have a 750/800 squid budget.

The third way would be to approach a small independant PC shop near you, they will put together any spec of PC you want. Obviously it isn't as cost effective as going to PC world and getting shafted with a third rate motherboard, integrated graphics chipset and out of the ark on board sound. That would be the closest way to ensure you are getting exactly what you want.

 

You should always bear in mind that the main reason people like me build our PC's is not to save money, but to ensure we get what we pay for. By that I mean box shifter companies tend to cut corners on area's they shouldn't, like a crap PSU or motherboard.

 

I personally would never recommend PCworld (although they do some good prices on components now and again) and Alienware should be renamed "Foolswithmoneyware". I would never give up building PC's I love it. I have been doing it for 20 odd years and it just gets easier and easier. I would recommend investigating whether you would be able to do it, it is well worth it.

 

If you were to self build for £750/£800 you could build a killer games PC with at least an 8800GT card in there and possibly even stretch to a quadcore cpu or a highend core2duo. Just had another thought, you might want to take a look at the machines here :-

 

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/syscon_class...d=43&catid=1055

 

The Gamer Vantage model falls in your price range, about £700 obviously you would have to add a monitor to that as well. I regularly use overclocker buying nearly everything component wise from them, so they are a pretty safe bet

 

I think I would be placated a bit if we had actual news that there will be a PC version, I can live with console owners getting it first, it is no biggie for me. I just don't like this doubt that Rockstar are causing and they are clearly doing it for one reason only and that is to con as many people to buy consoles as possible, just to keep their Lord and Masters happy.

 

[SCLASS]

Well charming, you lived up to your name , you were a bit viscious in the console forum tho ......As for a PC, yup Il have to approach someone who know what their doing. Tho, keeping my car going and moving out makes owning a PS3 and a decent PC a little frivolous.

 

Surely as soon as it drops..say may/June, a PC version would be announced....tho I can see your pointm $50 M will do all sorts this time around, perhaps that was 'just' for the exclusive DLC - wishful thinking maybe.

[kieranefc]

whats the big deal about it comin out on PC ive never got a GTA on PC is it better than consoles?

[nlitement]

whats the big deal about it comin out on PC ive never got a GTA on PC is it better than consoles?

Hell yeahs.

 

As I've said twice before, I think the GTA experience can only be fully realized on the PC.

[CharmingCharlie]

 

whats the big deal about it comin out on PC ive never got a GTA on PC is it better than consoles?

and the circle of life begins again ding ding round 200 . There were several advantages to playing the GTA 3 franchise on the PC, uprated graphics (I can play GTA SA in 1680 x 1050 @ 80fps with 10x draw distance mod), plus a lot of people enjoyed the accuracy that keyboard and mouse gives you (I like the one handed driving, just don't ask what I am doing with my other hand). Then there was of course the custom radio station option which allowed us to circumvent the god awful rap (I am 37 I don't want to listen to rap).

 

Now with GTA 4 some of these advantages that the PC have will be negated slightly, the consoles now do higher resolutions, they still have sucky controls though (in my opinion) and you obviously have custom music tracks now. If you have a PC I recommend picking up at least GTA SA to play it on, I believe you can purchase GTA SA from steam now for $10.

 

 

Well charming, you lived up to your name   , you were a bit viscious in the console forum tho ......As for a PC, yup Il have to approach someone who know what their doing. Tho, keeping my car going and moving out makes owning a PS3 and a decent PC a little frivolous.

 

I know I do come across as harsh sometimes, usually it's because I get sick of repeating the same old stuff over and over again. I dearly love the GTA franchise and I love PC gaming which is probably why I get a bit hot under the collar when you consider how PC gamers are being treated. I do hear you about the costs of living though, every week I treat myself to a lottery ticket just in the hope it will be me lol.

 

 

    Surely as soon as it drops..say may/June, a PC version would be announced....tho I can see your pointm $50 M will do all sorts this time around, perhaps that was 'just' for the exclusive DLC - wishful thinking maybe.

Let's hope so. I mean this is not only about GTA 4 on the PC, it is also about how Rockstar is treating all it's fans even the console ones. I am very dismayed by this "exclusive" content crap, I believe PS3 owners should get it as well, but because MS rammed a cheque up Rockstars neither regions they are losing out sort off, which I think is despicable.

 

Let me be clear on this, if Sony produce a game they are quite entitled to keep it on their console, the same goes for MS, if they produce a game they are quite entitled to keep it on their console. However Rockstar is a third party developer that technically has no allegience to either consoles and should concentrate on bringing games to every format that will make them a profit.

 

 

But in my opinion, MS has no real excuse; absolutely none at all.

They have the best excuse in the world they want to beat the hell out of Sony and they are willing to cripple PC gaming to do it. I certainly do not see MS as a friend of PC gaming, it seems lately everything they do has an ulterior motive and that being getting us PC gamers to buy their damn console.

Edited February 15, 2008 by CharmingCharlie

[DML]

 

...10x draw distance mod...

10x draw distance mod? I was sure that the maximum setting allowed in the game was sufficient enough, let alone 10 times that.

 

 

(I am 37 I don't want to listen to rap)

 

Some of the rap was good...it gets you into the whole mood of that particular city, and the storyline of the game.

 

 

However Rockstar is a third party developer that technically has no allegience to either consoles and should concentrate on bringing games to every format that will make them a profit.

 

Rockstar was a third-party developer...now they're married to Sony, and, in the ancient art of adultery, are married subsequently to Microsoft as well.

 

Here is Rockstar's brief history regarding the PC and Playstation releases of GTA (does not include XBox releases)...

 

1997 - Rockstar release GTA 1 on PC and Playstation

1999 - Rockstar release GTA 2 on PC and Playstation

-- == [[ some time in here, a wedding took place ]] == --

2001 - Rockstar release GTA III on Playstation 2

2002 - Rockstar release GTA III on PC

2002 - Rockstar release GTA III: Vice City on Playstation 2

2003 - Rockstar release GTA III: Vice City on PC

2004 - Rockstar release GTA III: San Andreas on Playstation 2

2005 - Rockstar release GTA III: San Andreas on PC

2005 - Rockstar release GTA Liberty City Stories on Playstation Portable

2006 - Rockstar release GTA Liberty City Stories on Playstation 2

2006 - Rockstar release GTA Vice City Stories on Playstation Portable

2007 - Rockstar release GTA Vice City Stories on Playstation 2

2008 - Rockstar release GTA IV on Playstation 3

2008 - Rockstar release GTA IV on PC (?)

Now, to total it all up:

 

Releases for PC = 5 (possibly 6)

Releases for Sony = 10

[CharmingCharlie]

 

10x draw distance mod?  I was sure that the maximum setting allowed in the game was sufficient enough, let alone 10 times that.

Why explain when a picture or two paint a thousand words

 

The first picture is with all the settings on max, with max draw distance as Rockstar saw fit :-

 

Now here is the same location but with the 10x draw distance mod enabled :-

 

If that isn't convincing enough then why settle for less draw distance when you can have 10 times more with very little hassle I should point out the reason there is no HUD is because I cropped the pictures, I can just imagine people being a bit unfriendly if I were to shove two 1680 x 1050 pictures up on here . For reference purposes I was standing near the diner you take that cop girlfriend too.

 

Now this does have relevance to GTA 4, I mean look at the difference in the draw distance, we can get this because someone found a way to mod the files, correcting some of Rockstar's short sightedness shall we say. The same could be done with GTA 4, if Rockstar overlook something with the PC version then hopefully someone can come along and show them how it is REALLY done

 

 

Some of the rap was good...it gets you into the whole mood of that particular city, and the storyline of the game.

Never seriously been a fan of rap, it just does my head in, but hey that is the beauty of GTA on the pc you can listen to the rap if you want or just put your own custom music on. Psst don't tell anyone but I ripped the music stations from GTA LCS and put them on the custom radio station.

 

 

Rockstar was a third-party developer...now they're married to Sony, and, in the ancient art of adultery, are married subsequently to Microsoft as well.

My mistake you are quite right they used to be a third party developer now for want of a better term they are Sony/MS w*nk sock.

 

 

Here is Rockstar's brief history regarding the PC and Playstation releases of GTA (does not include XBox releases)...

The brief history of Rockstar games shows exactly what is happening now, this allegience to Sony/MS is nothing short of screwing their fans over and I am not just talking about PC gamers, I am also talking about console gamers. Sure console owners are getting the game, but how long will it be before Rockstar switch sides again and again and again. They have acted totally unprofessionally this generation and I can see them getting worse.

Edited February 15, 2008 by CharmingCharlie

[GTA_Godfather]

This will help show the difference in resolutions. The first screenshot was taken at 1280x768 resolution (slightly better than 720p. GTA IV is 720p for the consoles). I resized this shot to 1920x1152 so that it fills approximately the same screen area as the next shot. It's a slightly different aspect ratio, but it's fairly close.

 

Click on the thumbnail and it will open up the image. Once it loads, click the image again and you will get the full size.

 

 

 

 

This screenshot is the same exact shot, except that it is 1920x1200 native resolution (better than 1080p). I left 10x draw on so you can see the details.

 

Again, click twice to get the full image.

 

 

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

 

[DML]

Nice screenshot comparisons you two

 

I haven't seen draw distances like that since...well...since looking at the San Andreas map in the map viewer.

 

Next time I play San Andreas, I'll be sure to put that mod on prior to starting.

[MBV89]

I think one of the biggest points that you missed (although not missed, you implied it, however didn't say it directly) is that you can mod the hell out of GTA on the PC. I think that was the reason for me to get GTA over any other game, due to the insane amounts of possibilities you have. With the things provided to you, you're easily able to even make your own game out of it (although, given, it would have it limitations due to the source code). In fact, that's the reason why any game on PC is *usually* better than its console counterpart; it gives you a whole new approach to the game and gives you the option to modify a lot more than you are able to on any console (occasionally, there is that crappy port to PC though that just doesn't cut it).

Edited February 15, 2008 by MBV89

[zmoonchild]

 

I think one of the biggest points that you missed (although not missed, you implied it, however didn't say it directly) is that you can mod the hell out of GTA on the PC. I think that was the reason for me to get GTA over any other game, due to the insane amounts of possibilities you have. With the things provided to you, you're easily able to even make your own game out of it (although, given, it would have it limitations due to the source code). In fact, that's the reason why any game on PC is *usually* better than its console counterpart; it gives you a whole new approach to the game and gives you the option to modify a lot more than you are able to on any console (occasionally, there is that crappy port to PC though that just doesn't cut it).

That is true, however, since the Hot Coffee controversy, Rockstar has gone the extra step to make their PC games un-moddable.

v2.0 of San Andreas cannot be modded unless it’s downgraded, and that seems to have become somewhat of a grey area in terms of ‘legal’ modding.

It is legally okay to mod v1.0 because it’s stated on the official San Andreas webpage, but that webpage has not been updated since the release of v2.0 to reflect whether or not it’s okay to mod v2.0.

Then again, Rockstar has officially recalled all copies of v1.0, which implies that no one is allowed to own v1.0 anymore, which seems as though modding of San Andreas shouldn’t be allowed at all.

 

Then there’s v3.0, Rockstar’s downloadable version of San Andreas, which cannot be modded at all, or at least, no one has been able to create a downgrader for it yet so that it can be modded.

 

All of this leads me to believe that modding will be much harder on GTA IV, if it’s released for PC; and Rockstar may try and make it illegal to do so.

That’s just my opinion.

 

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Also, Charlie, I have a question about the two pictures you posted. The first photo is San Fierro with a lot of foggy or hazy conditions; the second photo is San Fierro with clear conditions (no fog or haze). I have experienced both of those conditions while playing San Andreas, so I don’t see the ‘draw distance’ difference that you’re trying to describe.

 

That is definitely foggy/hazy conditions in the first photograph, that’s not the result of poor drawing distance.

 

With foggy conditions, there is limited visibility, as in the first photo. I think you need to post two photos with the same weather conditions to make a proper comparison.

 

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Now, GTA_Godfather's before & after photos are clear examples of differences in resolution.

Edited February 15, 2008 by zmoonchild

[freak2121]

Also, Charlie, I have a question about the two pictures you posted. The first photo is San Fierro with a lot of foggy or hazy conditions; the second photo is San Fierro with clear conditions (no fog or haze). I have experienced both of those conditions while playing San Andreas, so I don’t see the ‘draw distance’ difference that you’re trying to describe.

 

That is definitely foggy/hazy conditions in the first photograph, that’s not the result of poor drawing distance.

 

With foggy conditions, there is limited visibility, as in the first photo. I think you need to post two photos with the same weather conditions to make a proper comparison.

 

 

I can clearly see a difference with that mod, you can see San Fierro from Los Santos with that mod!

[zmoonchild]

Also, Charlie, I have a question about the two pictures you posted. The first photo is San Fierro with a lot of foggy or hazy conditions; the second photo is San Fierro with clear conditions (no fog or haze). I have experienced both of those conditions while playing San Andreas, so I don’t see the ‘draw distance’ difference that you’re trying to describe.

 

That is definitely foggy/hazy conditions in the first photograph, that’s not the result of poor drawing distance.

 

With foggy conditions, there is limited visibility, as in the first photo. I think you need to post two photos with the same weather conditions to make a proper comparison.

 

 

I can clearly see a difference with that mod, you can see San Fierro from Los Santos with that mod!

I believe you; I’m not questioning the mod. I questioning the before & after photos that Charlie provided.

[Metervloe]

ok an original question for now

pretty simple

can anyone tell me if and when it comes out for pc ?

[SynTerro]

ok an original question for now

pretty simple

can anyone tell me if and when it comes out for pc ?

No

But my hope is high, and there strong reasons to believe.

[CharmingCharlie]

 

Also, Charlie, I have a question about the two pictures you posted. The first photo is San Fierro with a lot of foggy or hazy conditions; the second photo is San Fierro with clear conditions (no fog or haze). I have experienced both of those conditions while playing San Andreas, so I don’t see the ‘draw distance’ difference that you’re trying to describe.

 

That is definitely foggy/hazy conditions in the first photograph, that’s not the result of poor drawing distance.

 

With foggy conditions, there is limited visibility, as in the first photo. I think you need to post two photos with the same weather conditions to make a proper comparison.

 

Hey don't believe me then try the mod yourself . The fog and haze you are seeing in the first picture is a method that developers use to hide the inadequate draw distances. Those snapshots were taking at exactly the same spot and game time. I guarantee that any time you play GTA SA without the Mod you will see San fierro is permanently clouded in a fog, not because it is a "foggy city" but simply to hide the inadequacies of the draw distance. However like I said don't take my word for it, if you have GTA SA go to the diner you take the cop girlfriend too and see for yourself, you will see San Fierro clouded and hazy. The 10x mod (which is just a clever configuration file) pushes the haze and fog back further, I had hoped it would eliminate pop up completely (like Rockstar should have done) but unfortunately it doesn't.

[GTA_Godfather]

 

...The 10x mod (which is just a clever configuration file) pushes the haze and fog back further, I had hoped it would eliminate pop up completely (like Rockstar should have done) but unfortunately it doesn't.

This is true. Even though you can see far, you still get some pop-up on the far terrain. Also, objects relatively close to you pop up, like shrubbery, cars and such. This all has to do with programming. The PC version was a decent port, but not great in this respect. Obviously, consoles couldn't draw very far and were struggling to draw what they could.

 

 

 

[nlitement]

See how much mods unite us and how much love it brings? Console players just have to be satisfied with their stock versions and just discuss the same things without creativity, boring things like missions. We on the other hand can share creative ideas, create skins, find cool cvars like drawing distance, create a f*cking fully functional and fun multiplayer, and whatnot.

 

<3 PC gaming.

 

f*ck man.. I'm so longing for playing on my PC. My sh*tty X1950 Pro just overheats.. next big thing I'm gonna buy is gonna be a new PC. Playing the 360 just feels stiff and unimmersive.

[phs1234]

Playing the 360 just feels stiff and unimmersive.

Haha, send it to me so I can waste my life after April 28th

[RONIN1191]

See how much mods unite us and how much love it brings? Console players just have to be satisfied with their stock versions and just discuss the same things without creativity, boring things like missions. We on the other hand can share creative ideas, create skins, find cool cvars like drawing distance, create a f*cking fully functional and fun multiplayer, and whatnot.

 

<3 PC gaming.

 

f*ck man.. I'm so longing for playing on my PC. My sh*tty X1950 Pro just overheats.. next big thing I'm gonna buy is gonna be a new PC. Playing the 360 just feels stiff and unimmersive.

Oh of COURSE, ASDW and mouse is a much more realistic input device set up than a controller. LOL

 

Sarcasm aside, I find the PC best for FPS and RTS, consoles for everything else. FPS is doable on the console, RTS is not (IMHO).

[nlitement]

 

See how much mods unite us and how much love it brings? Console players just have to be satisfied with their stock versions and just discuss the same things without creativity, boring things like missions. We on the other hand can share creative ideas, create skins, find cool cvars like drawing distance, create a f*cking fully functional and fun multiplayer, and whatnot.

 

<3 PC gaming.

 

f*ck man.. I'm so longing for playing on my PC. My sh*tty X1950 Pro just overheats.. next big thing I'm gonna buy is gonna be a new PC. Playing the 360 just feels stiff and unimmersive.

Oh of COURSE, ASDW and mouse is a much more realistic input device set up than a controller. LOL

What defines "realism" in controls LOL and what does that even mean LOL and if such definition exists, does it make the controller better?

 

Satire aside, GTA IV works just like an FPS and we all know that joypads suck for FPSs. Also, I can drive and aim ACCURATELY.

[s-paco]

If you find a controller better for other gamens, you can just buy a controller for your PC. Hell, you can even buy a whole steer and steer even better than those analoge sticks... The sky is the limit my fellow PC owners!

[GTA3Freak-2001]

Yeah ain't that draw distance mod great, only thing is you can get the landscape flashing blue due to of course the crappy streaming system used. So yeah shows the potential for how a PC only developed GTA could be, ah what a world if only hell would freeze over!

[GM Dude]

I think one of the biggest points that you missed (although not missed, you implied it, however didn't say it directly) is that you can mod the hell out of GTA on the PC. I think that was the reason for me to get GTA over any other game, due to the insane amounts of possibilities you have. With the things provided to you, you're easily able to even make your own game out of it (although, given, it would have it limitations due to the source code). In fact, that's the reason why any game on PC is *usually* better than its console counterpart; it gives you a whole new approach to the game and gives you the option to modify a lot more than you are able to on any console (occasionally, there is that crappy port to PC though that just doesn't cut it).

That is true, however, since the Hot Coffee controversy, Rockstar has gone the extra step to make their PC games un-moddable.

v2.0 of San Andreas cannot be modded unless it’s downgraded, and that seems to have become somewhat of a grey area in terms of ‘legal’ modding.

It is legally okay to mod v1.0 because it’s stated on the official San Andreas webpage, but that webpage has not been updated since the release of v2.0 to reflect whether or not it’s okay to mod v2.0.

Then again, Rockstar has officially recalled all copies of v1.0, which implies that no one is allowed to own v1.0 anymore, which seems as though modding of San Andreas shouldn’t be allowed at all.

 

Then there’s v3.0, Rockstar’s downloadable version of San Andreas, which cannot be modded at all, or at least, no one has been able to create a downgrader for it yet so that it can be modded.

 

All of this leads me to believe that modding will be much harder on GTA IV, if it’s released for PC; and Rockstar may try and make it illegal to do so.

That’s just my opinion.

 

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Also, Charlie, I have a question about the two pictures you posted. The first photo is San Fierro with a lot of foggy or hazy conditions; the second photo is San Fierro with clear conditions (no fog or haze). I have experienced both of those conditions while playing San Andreas, so I don’t see the ‘draw distance’ difference that you’re trying to describe.

 

That is definitely foggy/hazy conditions in the first photograph, that’s not the result of poor drawing distance.

 

With foggy conditions, there is limited visibility, as in the first photo. I think you need to post two photos with the same weather conditions to make a proper comparison.

 

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Now, GTA_Godfather's before & after photos are clear examples of differences in resolution.

While it is true that the Hot Coffee thing freaked quite a few people out,

and Rockstar had gone thru with trying to make San Andreas unmoddable,

I really, seriously doubt that will be the case for GTA IV.

 

Rockstar's learned their little lesson, I think, so there's no reason for them to

even try that, for when and if they release it for the PC.